[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-11-14 Thread Mike Barnard
Thanks Raphael,


On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Raphael Kubo da Costa kub...@gmail.comwrote:

  Hmm, you can always try to ask in the KDE forums, or even file a bug
  report to make sure it is not an upstream problem.


 This thread might be useful too:
 http://lists.kde.org/?t=12896568551r=1w=2


I had already gone through this link. I'll post to the KDE forum and see
what they have to say.

I posted here since I am using KDE on FreeBSD.




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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-11-13 Thread Mike Barnard
Thanks Rusty

2010/11/12 Rusty Nejdl rne...@ringofsaturn.com


 Two things I found that helped for me in the NVIDIA world are:

My VGA card is Intel.


 1) Disable the BLUR effect.


disabled, but still the same effects..


 2) Choose a different window decoration other than Oxygen.

kicked out Oxygen window decorations a few posts up...



 The other random thing I found was that KNEMO is a CPU killer but that
 doesn't sound like what you are seeing.


:-) yeah, not knemo for sure.

anybody experiencing this or know how I can figure out what is going on... I
am lost on this one :-/




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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-11-13 Thread Raphael Kubo da Costa
At Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:46:27 +0300,
Mike Barnard wrote:
 anybody experiencing this or know how I can figure out what is going on... I
 am lost on this one :-/

Hmm, you can always try to ask in the KDE forums, or even file a bug
report to make sure it is not an upstream problem.
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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-11-13 Thread Raphael Kubo da Costa
At Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:27:23 -0200,
Raphael Kubo da Costa wrote:
 
 At Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:46:27 +0300,
 Mike Barnard wrote:
  anybody experiencing this or know how I can figure out what is going on... I
  am lost on this one :-/
 
 Hmm, you can always try to ask in the KDE forums, or even file a bug
 report to make sure it is not an upstream problem.

This thread might be useful too:
http://lists.kde.org/?t=12896568551r=1w=2
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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-11-12 Thread Mike Barnard


 I found that a new version of the nvidia driver was released a few weeks
 back and am testing that out - 260.19.12.  It seems to support additional
 GLX extensions so I am hoping it behaves better with KDE.


My VGA card is an Intel Q45 SVGA controller. I opted to upgrade to KDE
4.5.3, but I still have the same problem. When I open Kontact, Kmail,
Kaddressbook, Knode, Kmail, Xorg consumes 90%+ of the CPU and the remaining
9-10% is taken by the application.

To add to it, since I have an extended desktop, my windows tend to take on
an overlay of other windows: for example, If I have Firefox and Dolphin
open, when I switch to firefox from Dolphin, then firefox has the contents
of dolphin overlaying it. If I move the mouse around, I can see my web page,
but it quickly gets overlay by the other open windows. Moving the window
from one desktop and back sorts it out but just for a while...

If I suspend compositing, all is well. I can work with all applications,
including Kontact with no problem.

Any pointers on this?



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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-11-12 Thread Rusty Nejdl


On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:02:13 +0300, Mike Barnard wrote: 

 I found
that a new version of the nvidia driver was released a few weeks back
and am testing that out - 260.19.12. It seems to support additional GLX
extensions so I am hoping it behaves better with KDE.
 
 My VGA card
is an Intel Q45 SVGA controller. I opted to upgrade to KDE 4.5.3, but I
still have the same problem. When I open Kontact, Kmail, Kaddressbook,
Knode, Kmail, Xorg consumes 90%+ of the CPU and the remaining 9-10% is
taken by the application.
 
 To add to it, since I have an extended
desktop, my windows tend to take on an overlay of other windows: for
example, If I have Firefox and Dolphin open, when I switch to firefox
from Dolphin, then firefox has the contents of dolphin overlaying it. If
I move the mouse around, I can see my web page, but it quickly gets
overlay by the other open windows. Moving the window from one desktop
and back sorts it out but just for a while...
 
 If I suspend
compositing, all is well. I can work with all applications, including
Kontact with no problem.
 
 Any pointers on this?
 
 -- 
 Mike
 

Of course, you might discount this possibility, but remember that one
in
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Mike,


Two things I found that helped for me in the NVIDIA world are: 

1)
Disable the BLUR effect. 

2) Choose a different window decoration other
than Oxygen. 

The other random thing I found was that KNEMO is a CPU
killer but that doesn't sound like what you are seeing.


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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-11-01 Thread David Naylor
On Monday 01 November 2010 09:17:04 Mike Barnard wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Mike Barnard 
mike.barna...@gmail.comwrote:
  as mentioned above, I think my PIM not working well is due to akonadi
  crashing... I'll pay more attention to it next time it acts up and check
  what is not running and what has dumped core.
 
 OK.. I had some time to take a look at this and try and figure out what was
 going on.
 
 Akonadi consumes almost all my 2GB of memory and eating about 36% of CPU
 when things get slowed down, Xorg is spiraling out of control, eating about
 60% of CPU and some 1GB of memory.

I only use KMail (without Kontact) and I've never seen akonadi use so much 
resources.  It does look like akonadi is misbehaving, perhaps upstream can 
help with that.  

 If I kill kontact, the 2GB memory is released and Xorg drops to about 16%
 of CPU, but still eats up about 1GB of memory.
 
 I updated my ports collection and updated all out-of-date ports and still
 the same behaviour. I notice that there have been a few patches, I am
 updating my ports collection again this morning and will get any ports out
 of date back up-to-date and check again.

Recompiling everything may fix it.  It is possible some dependency is not ABI 
forward compatible.  

 PS: Akonadi is not crashing this time round, it just consumes lots of
 resources. Any one with ideas on what to check for, I'll get on it.

You can also try cleaning out akonadi resources, such as:

# rm -rf ~/.local/share/akonadi
# rm -rf ~/.config/akonadi

(make sure you back up, may eat your data)


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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-11-01 Thread Mike Barnard
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:45 AM, David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote:


 I only use KMail (without Kontact) and I've never seen akonadi use so much
 resources.  It does look like akonadi is misbehaving, perhaps upstream can
 help with that.


Yeah.. I'll wait for some upstream thoughts on this :-)


Recompiling everything may fix it.  It is possible some dependency is not
 ABI
 forward compatible.


Hmmm... I had nothing break of complain of old dependencies or forward
incompatibility when I finished my update. pkgdb would have complained about
this, but it did not.


 You can also try cleaning out akonadi resources, such as:

 # rm -rf ~/.local/share/akonadi
 # rm -rf ~/.config/akonadi


(make sure you back up, may eat your data)


Not worried about backing up, I have all my mail and calender schedules
backed up. Let me try that and restart akonadi and see if it gets any
better.





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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-11-01 Thread Rusty Nejdl


On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:19:51 +0300, Mike Barnard wrote: 

 On Mon,
Nov 1, 2010 at 10:45 AM, David Naylor wrote:
 
 I only use KMail
(without Kontact) and I've never seen akonadi use so much
 resources.
It does look like akonadi is misbehaving, perhaps upstream can
 help
with that.
 
 Yeah.. I'll wait for some upstream thoughts on this
:-)
 
 Recompiling everything may fix it. It is possible some
dependency is not ABI
 forward compatible.
 
 Hmmm... I had nothing
break of complain of old dependencies or forward incompatibility when I
finished my update. pkgdb would have complained about this, but it did
not.
 
 You can also try cleaning out akonadi resources, such as:


 s=gmail_quote style=margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px
solid #cc; padding-left: 1ex;(make sure you back up, may eat your
data)
 e 
 
 Not worried about backing up, I have all my mail and
calender schedules backed up. Let me try that and restart akonadi and
see if it gets any bet
 
 

I found that a new version of the nvidia
driver was released a few weeks back and am testing that out -
260.19.12. It seems to support additional GLX extensions so I am hoping
it behaves better with KDE. 

Rusty Nejdl

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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-24 Thread David Naylor
On Saturday 23 October 2010 18:48:26 Adam Vande More wrote:
 2010/10/23 David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.com
 
  I sometimes have firefox freeze on me because nsviewer.bin crashes (aka
  flash).  It does a core dump and firefox freezes until that finishes.
 
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-emulation/2010-September/008065.
 html
 
 Also in regards to linux flash freezes, using flashblock stops 95%(made up
 stats) of the freezing.  Using this method with the regular player, not
 debug + flashblock gives me about as good of flash experience on FreeBSD as
 a Windows system.

I mostly use Chromium, which I find is more stable (and doesn't freeze when 
flash goes down).  I still need to use Firefox for some flash that Chromium 
doesn't handle.  

Thanks for the flashblock tip.  It works like a charm.  

 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-emulation/2010-September/008103.
 html

Interesting, I missed that email.  Thanks


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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-23 Thread Mike Barnard
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Raphael Kubo da Costa kub...@gmail.comwrote:

 At Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:15:41 +0300,
 Mike Barnard wrote:
  I have tested with compositing disabled and there is some improvements.
  Although it does slow down after leaving it idle for a while. I have
 noticed
  that everything KDE goes to sleep. Kmail is slow on typing an email when
 all
  this happens, Kaddressbook takes its sweet time.

 By the way, do you experience this sluggishness with non-kdepim
 programs too?



no... all the other programs are fine, with the exception of Firefox which
tends to sleep at times... its unresponsive for about 15-20 seconds then
comes back to life. I'll give it a more rigorous check and get back.



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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-23 Thread Mike Barnard
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Rusty Nejdl rne...@ringofsaturn.comwrote:


 Are you using the flash plugin and nspluginwrapper by any chance?  If so,
 try disabling it.  I am still testing things but I was good for a few days
 and then reinstalled that and found my cpu leaked again.  I have removed
 it and reinstalled gnash and my cpu is back to normal.


I do have the linux-flash plugin installed and nspluginwrapper. I'll get it
uninstalled and try out gnash. Although when KDE goes to sleep, my CPU is
not chocking at all.





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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-23 Thread Rusty Nejdl


On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:27:51 +0300, Mike Barnard wrote: 

 On Fri,
Oct 22, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Raphael Kubo da Costa wrote:
 
 At Fri, 22
Oct 2010 18:15:41 +0300,
 
 Mike Barnard wrote:
  I have tested
with compositing disabled and there is some improvements.
  Although
it does slow down after leaving it idle for a while. I have noticed
 
that everything KDE goes to sleep. Kmail is slow on typing an email when
all
  this happens, Kaddressbook takes its sweet time.
 
 By the
way, do you experience this sluggishness with non-kdepim
 programs
too?
 
 no... all the other programs are fine, with the exception of
Firefox which tends to sleep at times... its unresponsive for about
15-20 seconds then comes back to life. I'll give it a more rigorous
check and get back.
 
 -- 
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 Of course, you might discount
this possibility, but remember that one in
 a million chances happen
99% of the time.



Ok, for
that issue in Firefox, there's thread somewhere that suggests you change
how often it saves the bookmarks as if you have many open, you will see
freezes exactly like that. 


http://www.howinthetech.com/tweak-firefoxs-session-store-frequency/
[2] 

Try that suggestion to fix that issue with Firefox.


Rusty

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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-23 Thread Rusty Nejdl


On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:30:48 +0300, Mike Barnard wrote: 

 On Fri,
Oct 22, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Rusty Nejdl wrote:
 
 Are you using the
flash plugin and nspluginwrapper by any chance? If so, try disabling it.
I am still testing things but I was good for a few days and then
reinstalled that and found my cpu leaked again. I have removed it and
reinstalled gnash and my cpu is back to normal.
 
 I do have the
linux-flash plugin installed and nspluginwrapper. I'll get it
uninstalled and try out gnash. Although when KDE goes to sleep, my CPU
is not chocking at all.
 
 -- 
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 Of course, you might
discount this possibility, but remember that one in
 a million chances
happen 99% of the time.



I'm
extremely curious to see what you find here. This seems to be one of the
big culprits for me. 

Rusty

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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-23 Thread David Naylor
On Saturday 23 October 2010 09:30:48 Mike Barnard wrote:
 On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Rusty Nejdl rne...@ringofsaturn.comwrote:
  Are you using the flash plugin and nspluginwrapper by any chance?  If so,
  try disabling it.  I am still testing things but I was good for a few
  days and then reinstalled that and found my cpu leaked again.  I have
  removed it and reinstalled gnash and my cpu is back to normal.
 
 I do have the linux-flash plugin installed and nspluginwrapper. I'll get it
 uninstalled and try out gnash. Although when KDE goes to sleep, my CPU is
 not chocking at all.

I sometimes have firefox freeze on me because nsviewer.bin crashes (aka 
flash).  It does a core dump and firefox freezes until that finishes.  

Do you have any .core files in your home directory?  Also look at IO activity 
when firefox freezes next.  

With regards to PIM, I had KMail refusing to type sometimes, I found 
`akonadictl restart` or if akonadi isn't running `akonadictl start` fixes the 
problem.  

Regards,

David


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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-23 Thread Adam Vande More
2010/10/23 David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.com

 I sometimes have firefox freeze on me because nsviewer.bin crashes (aka
 flash).  It does a core dump and firefox freezes until that finishes.


http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-emulation/2010-September/008065.html

Also in regards to linux flash freezes, using flashblock stops 95%(made up
stats) of the freezing.  Using this method with the regular player, not
debug + flashblock gives me about as good of flash experience on FreeBSD as
a Windows system.

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-emulation/2010-September/008103.html



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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-22 Thread Mike Barnard
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Raphael Kubo da Costa kub...@gmail.comwrote:

 At Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:02:46 +0300,
 Mike Barnard wrote:
  I am running FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE built as of Oct  6 17:34:53 EAT 2010.
 Same
  day as when I did a portsnap and installed the packages needed to run
 KDE.
 
  I am experiencing frequent problems with kde4. It gets excruciatingly
 slow
  and desktop effects keep going down.
 
  I tailed .xsession-errors and tried to do what I was doing when it went
 down
  and got this:
 
  ---
   tail -f /usr/home/mike/.xsession-errors

 Actually, you should look for some KWin output for some information on
 what is going on with desktop effects. You can also try to configure
 it via System Settings and try to get some more info.

 And what graphics card and driver are you using? Does it help if you
 turn desktop effects off?


Sorry for the silence, I had a pressing matter to handle at work :-)...

I have tested with compositing disabled and there is some improvements.
Although it does slow down after leaving it idle for a while. I have noticed
that everything KDE goes to sleep. Kmail is slow on typing an email when all
this happens, Kaddressbook takes its sweet time.

I'll try disable all fancy features and give it a go.

I use a Dell Optiplex 780. It has 4GB RAM, Graphics card is Intel Q45 SVGA
controller.



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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-22 Thread Mike Barnard
2010/10/20 Rusty Nejdl rne...@ringofsaturn.com



  

 I am open to any ideas on this topic as well.  From what I can basically
 tell, I am having some sort of CPU leak with XORG.  I can restart X (no need
 to reboot) and my KDE becomes responsive again.  But XORG starts at around
 3% cpu and just keeps creaping up until it will sit over 60%.  It is
 currently 27% from a restart last night.

 I don't have kmix open.  Disabling desktop effects doesn't appear to have
 an effect.  Chrome vs firefox has no effect.  Removing flash and replacing
 with gnash had no effect either.

 Thanks!
 Rusty Nejdl

 To reply to myself...

 I found a bunch of discussions of this affecting other distros besides
 FreeBSD.  I was able to solve this by doing a combination of the following:

 1) Stop using Oxygen windows decoration

aha... I'll change from this and see though I love how oxygen decos look
like :-)

2) Disable blur affecf

disabled by default on mine.


 3) Update /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
 Section Screen
 Identifier Screen0
 Device Device0
 MonitorMonitor0
 DefaultDepth24

 *Option AddARGBGLXVisuals True*

 SubSection Display
 Depth   24
 EndSubSection
 EndSection

 *Section Extensions*
 *Option Composite Enable*
 *EndSection*

 Ok... will try this too.



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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-22 Thread Mike Barnard
 *Option AddARGBGLXVisuals True*


I have this option enabled under Section Device already and still
experienced the slowness. I have moved it to Section Screen and will
report performance.



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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-22 Thread Raphael Kubo da Costa
At Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:15:41 +0300,
Mike Barnard wrote:
 I have tested with compositing disabled and there is some improvements.
 Although it does slow down after leaving it idle for a while. I have noticed
 that everything KDE goes to sleep. Kmail is slow on typing an email when all
 this happens, Kaddressbook takes its sweet time.

By the way, do you experience this sluggishness with non-kdepim
programs too?
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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-22 Thread Rusty Nejdl


On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:13:52 +0300, Mike Barnard wrote: 

 OPTION
ADDARGBGLXVISUALS TRUE
 
 I have this option enabled under Section
Device already and still experienced the slowness. I have moved it to
Section Screen and will report performance.
 
 -- Mike
 
 Of
course, you might discount this possibility, but remember that one in

a million chances happen 99% of the time.



Are you
using the flash plugin and nspluginwrapper by any chance? If so, try
disabling it. I am still testing things but I was good for a few days
and then reinstalled that and found my cpu leaked again. I have
removed it and reinstalled gnash and my cpu is back to normal. 

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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-20 Thread Rusty Nejdl


On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:02:46 +0300, Mike Barnard wrote: 

 Hi,
 

I am running FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE built as of Oct 6 17:34:53 EAT 2010.
Same day as when I did a portsnap and installed the packages needed to
run KDE.
 
 I am experiencing frequent problems with kde4. It gets
excruciatingly slow and desktop effects keep going down.
 
 I tailed
.xsession-errors and tried to do what I was doing when it went down and
got this:
 
 ---
 tail -f
/usr/home/mike/.xsession-errors
 
 kio_imap4(5169)/kio_imap
IMAP4Protocol::~IMAP4Protocol: IMAP4: Finishing
 klauncher(1676)/kio
(KLauncher): SlavePool: No communication with slave. 
 
 QStringList
Solid::Backends::Hal::HalManager::findDeviceByDeviceInterface(Solid::DeviceInterface::Type)
error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected 
 
 (Pidgin:7160):
Json-CRITICAL **: json_node_get_int: assertion `node != NULL' failed

QStringList
Solid::Backends::Hal::HalManager::findDeviceByDeviceInterface(Solid::DeviceInterface::Type)
error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected 
 
 kwin(1691)/kdeui
(KIconLoader) KSharedDataCache::Private::mapSharedMemory: Failed to
establish shared memory mapping, will fallback to private memory --
memory usage will increase 
 link XMLID_34_ hasn't been detected!

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detected!
 QFont::setPointSize: Point size

I am open to any ideas on
this topic as well. From what I can basically tell, I am having some
sort of CPU leak with XORG. I can restart X (no need to reboot) and my
KDE becomes responsive again. But XORG starts at around 3% cpu and just
keeps creaping up until it will sit over 60%. It is currently 27% from a
restart last night. 

I don't have kmix open. Disabling desktop effects
doesn't appear to have an effect. Chrome vs firefox has no effect.
Removing flash and replacing with gnash had no effect either.


Thanks!
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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-20 Thread Raphael Kubo da Costa
At Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:02:46 +0300,
Mike Barnard wrote:
 I am running FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE built as of Oct  6 17:34:53 EAT 2010. Same
 day as when I did a portsnap and installed the packages needed to run KDE.
 
 I am experiencing frequent problems with kde4. It gets excruciatingly slow
 and desktop effects keep going down.
 
 I tailed .xsession-errors and tried to do what I was doing when it went down
 and got this:
 
 ---
  tail -f /usr/home/mike/.xsession-errors

Actually, you should look for some KWin output for some information on
what is going on with desktop effects. You can also try to configure
it via System Settings and try to get some more info.

And what graphics card and driver are you using? Does it help if you
turn desktop effects off?
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[kde-freebsd] Re: Desktop effects suspended -- KDE4-4.5.1

2010-10-20 Thread Rusty Nejdl


 
 

I am open to any ideas on this topic as well. From what I can basically
tell, I am having some sort of CPU leak with XORG. I can restart X (no
need to reboot) and my KDE becomes responsive again. But XORG starts at
around 3% cpu and just keeps creaping up until it will sit over 60%. It
is currently 27% from a restart last night. 
 
 I don't have kmix
open. Disabling desktop effects doesn't appear to have an effect. Chrome
vs firefox has no effect. Removing flash and replacing with gnash had no
effect either. 
 
 Thanks!
 Rusty Nejdl

To reply to myself... 

I
found a bunch of discussions of this affecting other distros besides
FreeBSD. I was able to solve this by doing a combination of the
following: 

1) Stop using Oxygen windows decoration 

2) Disable blur
affecf 

3) Update /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Section Screen
 Identifier
Screen0
 Device Device0
 Monitor Monitor0
 DefaultDepth 24


OPTION ADDARGBGLXVISUALS TRUE

 SubSection Display
 Depth 24

EndSubSection
EndSection

SECTION EXTENSIONS
 OPTION COMPOSITE
ENABLE
ENDSECTION 

So far, xorg sitting around 3% cpu now even with
gnash going and actively using my desktop. Perhaps this might help
others with performance issues? 

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