[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 --- Comment #12 from Knut Hildebrandt --- Well, this seems to be a duplicate of Bug 374925. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug.
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 Rigo Wenning changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEEDSINFO |RESOLVED Resolution|WAITINGFORINFO |NOT A BUG --- Comment #11 from Rigo Wenning --- You can close this bug. After having lost so much information with the combination of akonadi and kmail2, I've given up after over 20 years using KDEPIM. The frontend of the application is still the most usable you can find. But the backend implementation of the protocol stack and the caching itself are not ready for use if one has more than a very small private email stack. I would even go so far to say that the kmail from KDE3 is still better. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug.
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 Justin Zobel changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REPORTED|NEEDSINFO Resolution|--- |WAITINGFORINFO --- Comment #10 from Justin Zobel --- Thank you for reporting this bug in KDE software. As it has been a while since this issue was reported, can we please ask you to see if you can reproduce the issue with a recent software version? If you can reproduce the issue, please change the status to "CONFIRMED" when replying. Thank you! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug.
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 Knut Hildebrandt changed: What|Removed |Added CC||knut.hildebra...@gmx.de -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Kdepim-bugs mailing list Kdepim-bugs@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-bugs
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 Daniel Vrátil changed: What|Removed |Added CC||dvra...@kde.org --- Comment #9 from Daniel Vrátil --- This could've been related to bug 339181. Can you test with Applications 16.04 once it's out? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Kdepim-bugs mailing list Kdepim-bugs@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-bugs
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 Thiago Jung Bauermann changed: What|Removed |Added CC||thiago.bauerm...@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Kdepim-bugs mailing list Kdepim-bugs@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-bugs
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 --- Comment #8 from Rigo Wenning --- Absolutely. I have a 4core 8GB with SSD. The slowest thing on the machine is Akonadi. It now takes 15 seconds to load my calendar as I moved from one ics file to an ics folder for reasons of resilience. The initial idea from nepomuk comes from linked data. Because you can't store metadata into the file system. And this metadata (relations to other resources, flags, tags, semantics) is very important. And it is totally cool if it works. But storing everything into the database made akonadi so fragile that not even I trust to put any valuable metadata in there. Because it too often has proven to be a waste of time when the thing crashed and the database was corrupted. So having metadata and a URI that describes the resource it talks about is the initial idea. Unfortunately, it was totally distorted into some caching that does many things, but not this most useful thing. BTW, after more than 24 hours, still no writing of files into the local maildir except for this one email. I wonder if Akonadi will ever write them to disk. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Kdepim-bugs mailing list Kdepim-bugs@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-bugs
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 --- Comment #7 from Martin Steigerwald --- Well filesystems with bigger journal *can* work faster for different reasons. I am not sure at all whether the write caching would give any performance benefit. And well yes, it if goes through the database it will *duplicate* the amount of writes. And unless Akonadi moves the files directly from file_db_data to the final location it would also duplicate the amount of files in this case as well. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Kdepim-bugs mailing list Kdepim-bugs@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-bugs
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 --- Comment #6 from Martin Steigerwald --- Rigo, yes, it doesn´t help to avoid the caching. And if you prefer the file based caching, then reduce the SizeThreshold again, yet for recoverability I think there isn´t that much of a difference as file_db_date directory has all files in one directory and with different names. Sure, you can use grep more easy to dig out the files, so by all means, if you don´t trust the database, reduce the SizeThreshold again. I think what you ask here for, and Rigo, I fully agree, is: A lower timeout for the write caching. As I wrote already: Have Akonadi write files to their final location more quickly. Not only on moving messages, but generally. The write caching should act like a filesystem journal: Try to write to the final location soon. Sure filesystems with a bigger journal work faster too, yet as you see it here, it takes ages for the files to appear in the final location. Hey, I can check it here as I moved some mails today. - kernel-ml-2015-1 according to KMail has 47834 unread mails. - kernel-ml-2014-1 according to KMail has only 27783 unread mails. - I moved about 3 mails from the first to the second folder earlier today (see bug #345085 and bug #345084 for details on what I did and what issues I experienced with it) So lets check the filesystem: martin@merkaba:~/.local/share/local-mail/.Lichtvoll.directory/.Linux.directory> find kernel-ml-2014-1 | wc -l 28627 martin@merkaba:~/.local/share/local-mail/.Lichtvoll.directory/.Linux.directory> find kernel-ml-2015-1 | wc -l 49097 Okay, here it meanwhile moved the mails. Still I have no idea about on when Akonadi will be doing this and how long it will write cache under what circumstances. Additionally: I still don´t get why they have to go through file_db_data or the database at all. The most efficient implementation I see is this: Store the mails from the IMAP resource directly in the maildir in your case. And move the mails from source to destination database in my case, yet I also saw *huge* write activity to the MySQL database. Why cache? And why cache to this amount? Well, if the IMAP server can deliver the mails faster than the maildir resource could accept them, but then, Akonadi can still download the mails as fast as the maildir resource could accept them, downloading them faster will not give any benefit as the maildir resource couldn´t store them that fast, and I highly doubt that storing them in file_db_data or MySQL database would be any faster anyway. I sure hope that Akonadi Next will use a different approach if it leaves proof of concept state. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Kdepim-bugs mailing list Kdepim-bugs@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-bugs
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 --- Comment #5 from Rigo Wenning --- did everything suggested (size indication in config, fsck and vacuum). I did move around 1200 messages from the imap account to a local folder before doing akonadictl fsck. I have currently 198 files in the file_db_data directory. And I have one file in the the local maildir where there are supposed to be 1200 files for 1200 messages. So the cache here isn't a cache anymore as akonadi has removed the files from the initial imap store (local), but has NOT written it to the new folder. This means great risk for data loss and high potential for bogus backups, especially if one does not only use kmail2/kontact for email. Funnily enough, the emails in the local folder can be accessed, but they are nowhere in the filesystem. They are just in the database. So if the database at some point in time, decides that the status of the local filesystem primes, it will remove all the email it has in the database. At which point I will have lost 1200 emails -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Kdepim-bugs mailing list Kdepim-bugs@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-bugs
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 --- Comment #4 from Martin Steigerwald --- Rigo, I suggest you review [kdepim-users] Work-around to issues with Akonadi file based caching (was: Re: rant) http://lists.kde.org/?l=kdepim-users&m=142382010023511&w=2 regarding open issues to Akonadi´s file based caching. It has some hints on how to remedy the issue at least partly. And no, 57000 mails in there aren´t that much. I have seen up to 85 files in there. I see that the SizeThreshold work-around I mentioned works quite well for me and post another mail to the thread and probably some of the related bug reports in a moment. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Kdepim-bugs mailing list Kdepim-bugs@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-bugs
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 --- Comment #3 from Rigo Wenning --- I have a file_db_data directory with 57450 files. So it hasn't synchronized locally since ages IMHO. If it synchronizes now, it will probably create a mess. BTW, I fully support your thoughts in [1]. Note I'm using opensuse binaries (currently 4.14.5) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Kdepim-bugs mailing list Kdepim-bugs@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-bugs
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 Martin Steigerwald changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mar...@lichtvoll.de --- Comment #2 from Martin Steigerwald --- Rigo, as you said, Akonadi is a cache. I thought only a read cache, but on some recent discussion on debian-kde Kevin Krammer told me it may also cache writes for some amount of times – and it would need to in case of a IMAP resource being unavailable due to interim network issues[1]. Could it be that the mails are in ~/.local/share/akonadi/file_db_data? – Akonadi uses it as a temporary buffer I think also in the case of moving mails. So it may be the mails are there and Akonadi will eventually move them to the final destination after some time. So if KMail and Akonadiconsole still see the mails I bet they are still there on disk. Just not where you expect them to be. And yes, I find this behavior highly confusing expecially as I have seen that Akonadi cached mails in there for long amounts of time. I´d expect it to behave more like a filesystem write journal, i.e. flush to destination storage as soon as possible. [1] Re: Possible akonadi problem? https://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2015/02/msg9.html -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Kdepim-bugs mailing list Kdepim-bugs@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-bugs
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 Christian Mollekopf changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mollek...@kolabsys.com Component|IMAP resource |Maildir Resource Assignee|chrig...@fastmail.fm|kdepim-bugs@kde.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Kdepim-bugs mailing list Kdepim-bugs@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-bugs
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 --- Comment #1 from David Faure --- sounds more like a bug in the maildir resource, no? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Kdepim-bugs mailing list Kdepim-bugs@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-bugs
[Akonadi] [Bug 341192] Moving messages does not synchronize to disk
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341192 David Faure changed: What|Removed |Added CC||fa...@kde.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Kdepim-bugs mailing list Kdepim-bugs@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-bugs
