Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 04:33:40PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > Hi, > > > If you want to be responsible for dealing with any bugs we get against it, > > and work on improving it upstream, we'll be happy to enable it. > > Patches went upstream last merge window. > Can we try flip the switch for 3.6-rc1+ and see how it goes? > > thanks, > Gerd In rawhide, it's always on, so this is already done. The question is whether it'll be good enough when we get to branch time. Dave ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
Hi, > If you want to be responsible for dealing with any bugs we get against it, > and work on improving it upstream, we'll be happy to enable it. Patches went upstream last merge window. Can we try flip the switch for 3.6-rc1+ and see how it goes? thanks, Gerd ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 16:45:44 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: I see a kernel-debug-3.5.0-0.rc2.git0.1.fc18 in the repo ... There were requests to have some non-debug kernels in rawhide as the debug ones had terrible performance for some people during the F17 development process. So the kernel guiys started doing one non-debug kernel per rc. ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 04:52:49PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > Maybe we can script something to generate a website that shows: > > > > Latest debugging enabled rawhide kernel: > > Latest non-debug rawhide kernel: > > Not exactly convenient when you update your kernel using yum. > > My real wishlist item is to have a kernel with CONFIG_USB_UAS, enabled > permanently If you want to be responsible for dealing with any bugs we get against it, and work on improving it upstream, we'll be happy to enable it. Dave ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 04:45:44PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > On 06/11/12 16:26, Dave Jones wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 01:30:29PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > > > > > We build one non-debug kernel in rawhide per RC release. > > > > > > That scheme sucks big time. Why flip config options like that? > > > > > > We have kernel-debug, why not enable options like UAS which are too > > > buggy for the default kernel there? Permanently? > > > > We don't build kernel-debug for rawhide, because hardly anyone would use > > it. > > ??? > > I see a kernel-debug-3.5.0-0.rc2.git0.1.fc18 in the repo ... ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
On 06/11/2012 10:52 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > On 06/11/12 16:33, Tom Callaway wrote: >> On 06/11/2012 10:26 AM, Dave Jones wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 01:30:29PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: >>> >>> > > We build one non-debug kernel in rawhide per RC release. You just >>> > > happened to hit it. >>> > >>> > That scheme sucks big time. Why flip config options like that? >>> > >>> > We have kernel-debug, why not enable options like UAS which are too >>> > buggy for the default kernel there? Permanently? >>> >>> We don't build kernel-debug for rawhide, because hardly anyone would use it. >>> That's why we enable debug-by-default instead. >> >> Maybe we can script something to generate a website that shows: >> >> Latest debugging enabled rawhide kernel: >> Latest non-debug rawhide kernel: > > Not exactly convenient when you update your kernel using yum. You're at least informed, or able to become informed reasonably easily. ~tom == Fedora Project ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
On 06/11/12 16:33, Tom Callaway wrote: > On 06/11/2012 10:26 AM, Dave Jones wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 01:30:29PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: >> >> > > We build one non-debug kernel in rawhide per RC release. You just >> > > happened to hit it. >> > >> > That scheme sucks big time. Why flip config options like that? >> > >> > We have kernel-debug, why not enable options like UAS which are too >> > buggy for the default kernel there? Permanently? >> >> We don't build kernel-debug for rawhide, because hardly anyone would use it. >> That's why we enable debug-by-default instead. > > Maybe we can script something to generate a website that shows: > > Latest debugging enabled rawhide kernel: > Latest non-debug rawhide kernel: Not exactly convenient when you update your kernel using yum. My real wishlist item is to have a kernel with CONFIG_USB_UAS, enabled permanently and not changing randomly depending on whenever the latest rawhide kernel happens to be a .git0 release or not. I don't care much whenever it's called kernel, kernel-debug, kernel-for-kraxel. Enabling a special yum repo is fine too. But grabbing manually from koji really isn't a good way to handle this ... thanks, Gerd ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
On 06/11/12 16:26, Dave Jones wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 01:30:29PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > > > We build one non-debug kernel in rawhide per RC release. You just > > > happened to hit it. > > > > That scheme sucks big time. Why flip config options like that? > > > > We have kernel-debug, why not enable options like UAS which are too > > buggy for the default kernel there? Permanently? > > We don't build kernel-debug for rawhide, because hardly anyone would use it. ??? I see a kernel-debug-3.5.0-0.rc2.git0.1.fc18 in the repo ... /me looks puzzled. cheers, Gerd ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
On 06/11/2012 10:26 AM, Dave Jones wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 01:30:29PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > > > We build one non-debug kernel in rawhide per RC release. You just > > > happened to hit it. > > > > That scheme sucks big time. Why flip config options like that? > > > > We have kernel-debug, why not enable options like UAS which are too > > buggy for the default kernel there? Permanently? > > We don't build kernel-debug for rawhide, because hardly anyone would use it. > That's why we enable debug-by-default instead. Maybe we can script something to generate a website that shows: Latest debugging enabled rawhide kernel: Latest non-debug rawhide kernel: ? ~tom == Fedora Project ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 01:30:29PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > We build one non-debug kernel in rawhide per RC release. You just > > happened to hit it. > > That scheme sucks big time. Why flip config options like that? > > We have kernel-debug, why not enable options like UAS which are too > buggy for the default kernel there? Permanently? We don't build kernel-debug for rawhide, because hardly anyone would use it. That's why we enable debug-by-default instead. Dave ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
Hi, >>> We build one non-debug kernel in rawhide per RC release. You just >>> happened to hit it. >> >> That scheme sucks big time. Why flip config options like that? > > Because people complained loudly that the normal debug rawhide kernels > were too slow. Ok. I can see that this is tricky situation, guess it is a performance vs. bug report quality trade-off. But I don't think this flip options like this is a good solution to this problem. Having your kernel behave in different ways depending on whenever you happed to hit a .git0 version or not is odd. IMO both default kernel and debug kernel should have a fixed set of config options. cheers, Gerd ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 01:30:29PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > Hi, > > > That's because the rawhide kernel you have installed is a 'release' > > kernel. The kernel before that (3.5.0-0.rc0.git12 or something) is a > > debug kernel and will have UAS enabled. The next git snapshot of > > 3.5.0-rc1 will also have it enabled. > > Well, next is kernel-3.5.0-0.rc2.git0.1.fc18 which has UAS disabled too. > /me goes fetch 3.5.0-0.rc0.git12 now ... Oops. Yes, sorry. Still at the "one per RC" since nobody did a git snapshot build after rc1. > > We build one non-debug kernel in rawhide per RC release. You just > > happened to hit it. > > That scheme sucks big time. Why flip config options like that? Because people complained loudly that the normal debug rawhide kernels were too slow. > We have kernel-debug, why not enable options like UAS which are too > buggy for the default kernel there? Permanently? That's a possibility, yes. josh ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
Hi, > That's because the rawhide kernel you have installed is a 'release' > kernel. The kernel before that (3.5.0-0.rc0.git12 or something) is a > debug kernel and will have UAS enabled. The next git snapshot of > 3.5.0-rc1 will also have it enabled. Well, next is kernel-3.5.0-0.rc2.git0.1.fc18 which has UAS disabled too. /me goes fetch 3.5.0-0.rc0.git12 now ... > We build one non-debug kernel in rawhide per RC release. You just > happened to hit it. That scheme sucks big time. Why flip config options like that? We have kernel-debug, why not enable options like UAS which are too buggy for the default kernel there? Permanently? cheers, Gerd ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 03:10:13PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > On 06/08/12 14:37, Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 02:26:45PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Any specific reason why CONFIG_USB_UAS is not enabled? > >> If not, can it be enabled please (rawhide & f17)? > > > > It caused a number of people's machines to panic or not function > > properly a while ago. We have it enabled in rawhide when the debug > > options are set. > > "we have" as in "just flipped the switch"? No. > The kernels currently in the rawhide repo don't have this set ... > > [root@fedora ~]# grep USB_UAS /boot/config-3.* > /boot/config-3.3.4-5.fc17.x86_64:# CONFIG_USB_UAS is not set > /boot/config-3.4.0-1.fc17.x86_64:# CONFIG_USB_UAS is not set > /boot/config-3.5.0-0.rc1.git0.1.fc18.x86_64:# CONFIG_USB_UAS is not set > /boot/config-3.5.0-0.rc1.git0.1.fc18.x86_64.debug:# CONFIG_USB_UAS is > not set That's because the rawhide kernel you have installed is a 'release' kernel. The kernel before that (3.5.0-0.rc0.git12 or something) is a debug kernel and will have UAS enabled. The next git snapshot of 3.5.0-rc1 will also have it enabled. We build one non-debug kernel in rawhide per RC release. You just happened to hit it. josh ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
On 06/08/12 14:37, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 02:26:45PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Any specific reason why CONFIG_USB_UAS is not enabled? >> If not, can it be enabled please (rawhide & f17)? > > It caused a number of people's machines to panic or not function > properly a while ago. We have it enabled in rawhide when the debug > options are set. "we have" as in "just flipped the switch"? The kernels currently in the rawhide repo don't have this set ... [root@fedora ~]# grep USB_UAS /boot/config-3.* /boot/config-3.3.4-5.fc17.x86_64:# CONFIG_USB_UAS is not set /boot/config-3.4.0-1.fc17.x86_64:# CONFIG_USB_UAS is not set /boot/config-3.5.0-0.rc1.git0.1.fc18.x86_64:# CONFIG_USB_UAS is not set /boot/config-3.5.0-0.rc1.git0.1.fc18.x86_64.debug:# CONFIG_USB_UAS is not set cheers, Gerd ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
Re: CONFIG_USB_UAS
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 02:26:45PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > Hi, > > Any specific reason why CONFIG_USB_UAS is not enabled? > If not, can it be enabled please (rawhide & f17)? It caused a number of people's machines to panic or not function properly a while ago. We have it enabled in rawhide when the debug options are set. josh ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
CONFIG_USB_UAS
Hi, Any specific reason why CONFIG_USB_UAS is not enabled? If not, can it be enabled please (rawhide & f17)? thanks, Gerd ___ kernel mailing list kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
