Re: Where does kernel store per task file position?

2013-01-29 Thread Rajat Sharma
Correct :)


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Pranay Kumar Srivastava <
pranay.shrivast...@hcl.com> wrote:

>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rajat Sharma [mailto:fs.ra...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:16 AM
> > To: Pranay Kumar Srivastava
> > Cc: kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org
> > Subject: Re: Where does kernel store per task file position?
> >
> > > I'm still not able to figure out where exactly is the position of file
> stored per
> > task_struct.
> > struct file * itself is per process (task_struct) so file->f_pos is file
> position per
> > process, if thats what you are looking for. I hope you haven't assumed
> that
> > struct file itself is unique for a file, i.e. per inode? Then that
> assumption is
> > wrong.
> > -Rajat
>
> [Pranay Kumar Srivastava] That really was a stupid question, it says right
> there get_empty_filp() in do_sys_open. For forks the inherited file have
> common struct file [Correct?] but for the files opened after fork in
> child/parent will not have shared struct file[Correct?].  So the same
> dentry can be pointed to by multiple struct file[Correct?] that's why
> there's an increment of dentry while doing lookup[Correct?].
>
> Thanks a lot!
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Pranay Kumar Srivastava
> >  wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I was trying to find out where does Linux store per process file
> position?
> > Since struct file is allocated once when the file is first opened
> > (get_empty_filp() via do_sys_open) .I looked at these,
> >
> > Copy_process--->copy_files-->dup_fd  it seemed to allocate only (struct
> > file*)
> >
> > struct files_struct , but I couldn't find any field that is actually
> being used to
> > store the file position.
> >
> >
> > I'm still not able to figure out where exactly is the position of file
> stored per
> > task_struct. Secondly even if this was being saved does the kernel
> changes
> > f_pos of struct file whenever a (read/write) is done? I don't that
> happens
> > [Correct?].
> >
> > Regards,
> > Pranay Kumar Srivastava
> >
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RE: Where does kernel store per task file position?

2013-01-29 Thread Pranay Kumar Srivastava


> -Original Message-
> From: Rajat Sharma [mailto:fs.ra...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:16 AM
> To: Pranay Kumar Srivastava
> Cc: kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org
> Subject: Re: Where does kernel store per task file position?
> 
> > I'm still not able to figure out where exactly is the position of file 
> > stored per
> task_struct.
> struct file * itself is per process (task_struct) so file->f_pos is file 
> position per
> process, if thats what you are looking for. I hope you haven't assumed that
> struct file itself is unique for a file, i.e. per inode? Then that assumption 
> is
> wrong.
> -Rajat

[Pranay Kumar Srivastava] That really was a stupid question, it says right 
there get_empty_filp() in do_sys_open. For forks the inherited file have common 
struct file [Correct?] but for the files opened after fork in child/parent will 
not have shared struct file[Correct?].  So the same dentry can be pointed to by 
multiple struct file[Correct?] that's why there's an increment of dentry while 
doing lookup[Correct?].

Thanks a lot!
> 
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Pranay Kumar Srivastava
>  wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I was trying to find out where does Linux store per process file position?
> Since struct file is allocated once when the file is first opened
> (get_empty_filp() via do_sys_open) .I looked at these,
> 
> Copy_process--->copy_files-->dup_fd  it seemed to allocate only (struct
> file*)
> 
> struct files_struct , but I couldn't find any field that is actually being 
> used to
> store the file position.
> 
> 
> I'm still not able to figure out where exactly is the position of file stored 
> per
> task_struct. Secondly even if this was being saved does the kernel changes
> f_pos of struct file whenever a (read/write) is done? I don't that happens
> [Correct?].
> 
> Regards,
> Pranay Kumar Srivastava
> 
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Re: Where does kernel store per task file position?

2013-01-29 Thread Rajat Sharma
> I'm still not able to figure out where exactly is the position of file
stored per task_struct.
struct file * itself is per process (task_struct) so file->f_pos is file
position per process, if thats what you are looking for. I hope you haven't
assumed that struct file itself is unique for a file, i.e. per inode? Then
that assumption is wrong.

-Rajat


On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Pranay Kumar Srivastava <
pranay.shrivast...@hcl.com> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I was trying to find out where does Linux store per process file position?
> Since struct file is allocated once when the file is first opened
> (get_empty_filp() via do_sys_open) .I looked at these,
>
> Copy_process--->copy_files-->dup_fd  it seemed to allocate only (struct
> file*)
>
> struct files_struct , but I couldn't find any field that is actually being
> used to store the file position.
>
>
> I'm still not able to figure out where exactly is the position of file
> stored per task_struct. Secondly even if this was being saved does the
> kernel changes f_pos of struct file whenever a (read/write) is done? I
> don't that happens [Correct?].
>
> Regards,
> Pranay Kumar Srivastava
>
>
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Re: guides to board files -> device-tree and Android -> mainline?

2013-01-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 15:51 +0100, Thomas Petazzoni wrote:

> No, there is no automated tool, because it is not possible to do that
> automatically. The device drivers used by your board must have a Device
> Tree binding, and writing the Device Tree source cannot directly be
> done from the C board file. It requires human knowledge and
> intervention.

I see, is there at least a guide for the conversion?

> Could you be more specific about the platform you would look to convert
> to the Device Tree? Where is the existing source code?

Many devices with an ARM SoC and or an Android kernel aren't fully
supported by mainline. The devices that I own in this situation are the
OpenMoko FreeRunner (gta02) and the Samsung Galaxy S (galaxysmtd).

gta02:
git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git
git://github.com/shr-distribution/linux.git

galaxysmtd (and a bunch of other devices):
git://gitorious.org/replicant/kernel_samsung_aries.git

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Re: thread concurrent file operation

2013-01-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:25:19 +0100, Karaoui mohamed lamine said:

> This function is supposed to return the file reference, does do the locking?

Refcounting only, no locking provided by fdget.

> It seems that i can't find the lock instruction( with all those rcu
> instructions, i am little lost), can you guide me throught ?

Because it isn't there. Concurrent writes can happen - that's why lockf()
exists, so that multiple programs that want to scribble on the same file can do
their locking.



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Re: thread concurrent file operation

2013-01-29 Thread Karaoui mohamed lamine
2013/1/29 Tobias Boege 

> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Karaoui mohamed lamine wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I was looking at how a syscall read/write was done, and i found this :
> >
> >
> >loff_t pos = file_pos_read(f.file);
> >ret = vfs_read(f.file, buf, count, &pos);
> >file_pos_write(f.file, pos);
> >fdput(f);
> >...
> >
> > My questions are :
> >
> > Where did the locking go? I would have imaginated something like :
> >
> >
> >*lock(f);*
> >loff_t pos = file_pos_read(f.file);
> >ret = vfs_read(f.file, buf, count, &pos);
> >file_pos_write(f.file, pos);
> >fdput(f);
> >*unlock(f);*
> >...
> >
> > If multiple threads try to read/write at the same time, they could
> > read/write at the same offset ?
> >
>
> Look some lines above:
>
> struct fd f = fdget(fd);
>

This function is supposed to return the file reference, does do the locking
?
It seems that i can't find the lock instruction( with all those rcu
instructions, i am little lost), can you guide me throught ?


>
> Regards,
> Tobi
>
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Re: thread concurrent file operation

2013-01-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:56:02 +0100, Tobias Boege said:

> Look some lines above:
>
>   struct fd f = fdget(fd);

That creates a reference, not a lock.  It basically assures that
the system doesn't reap and reclaim that fd out from under the code.
(In other words, it's managing lifetime, not concurrency).


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Re: thread concurrent file operation

2013-01-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:35:13 +0100, Karaoui mohamed lamine said:

> If multiple threads try to read/write at the same time, they could
> read/write at the same offset ?
>
> If my understanding are correct, is this POSIX compliant ?

You might want to ponder why the lockf() syscall exists at all.. :)


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Re: GRUB question

2013-01-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 04:06:39 +0800, horseriver said:
>
> > Of course, an initrd on floppy is kind of silly, because you still need to
> > find someplace else to fit the actual kernel - which hasn't fit on a floppy
> > for quite some time.
>
>   Do  we must  need initrd.img  to boot system ?

If your kernel is able to find the root filesystem without any assistance,
based on just the built-in drivers and the root= kernel commandline value,
you don't need an initrd.  However, most distros build basically an
'allmodconfig', which means the required drivers for devices and filesystems
are modules and need to be loaded before the root filesystem can
be mounted.  Also, if you use root-on-LVM or similar, you will need an
initrd to issue the LVM command to start up the disks.

> > Your system should have either 'mkinitrd' or 'dracut' to build the
> > initrd image. Some older systems will have 'mkinitramfs'.
>
>   I know how to make a initrd image file , but put what data into it?

You put in what's needed to get your root filesystem mounted and get
/sbin/init or whatever started.  This will, of course, depend on your exact
hardware, disk, and kernel configuration (my system only needs to do the
LVM thing, as all drivers are built-in.  Your system will probably differ).


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Re: thread concurrent file operation

2013-01-29 Thread Tobias Boege
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Karaoui mohamed lamine wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I was looking at how a syscall read/write was done, and i found this :
> 
>
>loff_t pos = file_pos_read(f.file);
>ret = vfs_read(f.file, buf, count, &pos);
>file_pos_write(f.file, pos);
>fdput(f);
>...
> 
> My questions are :
> 
> Where did the locking go? I would have imaginated something like :
> 
>
>*lock(f);*
>loff_t pos = file_pos_read(f.file);
>ret = vfs_read(f.file, buf, count, &pos);
>file_pos_write(f.file, pos);
>fdput(f);
>*unlock(f);*
>...
> 
> If multiple threads try to read/write at the same time, they could
> read/write at the same offset ?
> 

Look some lines above:

struct fd f = fdget(fd);

Regards,
Tobi


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thread concurrent file operation

2013-01-29 Thread Karaoui mohamed lamine
Hello,

I was looking at how a syscall read/write was done, and i found this :

   
   loff_t pos = file_pos_read(f.file);
   ret = vfs_read(f.file, buf, count, &pos);
   file_pos_write(f.file, pos);
   fdput(f);
   ...

My questions are :

Where did the locking go? I would have imaginated something like :

   
   *lock(f);*
   loff_t pos = file_pos_read(f.file);
   ret = vfs_read(f.file, buf, count, &pos);
   file_pos_write(f.file, pos);
   fdput(f);
   *unlock(f);*
   ...

If multiple threads try to read/write at the same time, they could
read/write at the same offset ?

If my understanding are correct, is this POSIX compliant ?


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Re: guides to board files -> device-tree and Android -> mainline?

2013-01-29 Thread Thomas Petazzoni
Dear Paul Wise,

On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:43:28 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:

> > If you want to add the board itself and it is ARM based, then you have
> > to create a device tree file. I think the older board files are no
> > more accepted in the mainline kernel.
> 
> I'm aware of that, my question was how do I convert existing board files
> to device tree files? Is there an automated tool, or a guide for that?

No, there is no automated tool, because it is not possible to do that
automatically. The device drivers used by your board must have a Device
Tree binding, and writing the Device Tree source cannot directly be
done from the C board file. It requires human knowledge and
intervention.

Could you be more specific about the platform you would look to convert
to the Device Tree? Where is the existing source code?

Best regards,

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Re: Linux Kernel Networking document (free, 178 pages doc)

2013-01-29 Thread Luis Valdés
Hi,

Thanks for the link, great document to study.

2013/1/29 Gabor Podri 

> Hi Rami,
>
> it is great stuff. Thank you for sharing it!
>
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Where does kernel store per task file position?

2013-01-29 Thread Pranay Kumar Srivastava
Hi Everyone,

I was trying to find out where does Linux store per process file position? 
Since struct file is allocated once when the file is first opened 
(get_empty_filp() via do_sys_open) .I looked at these,

Copy_process--->copy_files-->dup_fd  it seemed to allocate only (struct file*)

struct files_struct , but I couldn't find any field that is actually being used 
to store the file position.


I'm still not able to figure out where exactly is the position of file stored 
per task_struct. Secondly even if this was being saved does the kernel changes 
f_pos of struct file whenever a (read/write) is done? I don't that happens 
[Correct?].

Regards,
Pranay Kumar Srivastava


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RE: use of EXPORT_SYMBOL()

2013-01-29 Thread Reza Hoorfar
You can use method signed by EXPORT_SYMBOL(xxx) on other modules (something
like public method on module that other module can import and use it)

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Subject: use of EXPORT_SYMBOL()

hi:)

   In kernel code ,what is the use of EXPORT_SYMBOL()?
   Does it export a function to user application ,
   so this function can be used in user application ?


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Re: Linux Kernel Networking document (free, 178 pages doc)

2013-01-29 Thread Gabor Podri
Hi Rami,

it is great stuff. Thank you for sharing it!

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Re: method to get backtrace of kernel function?

2013-01-29 Thread Kristof Provost
On 2013-01-29 14:21:24 (+0700), Mulyadi Santosa  
wrote:
> >   Can this function be used in user application?
> 
> no. But I guess I see quite similar function provided by glibc/gcc.
> Forgot the function name though, sorry...
> 
backtrace()

http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Backtraces.html

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Re: use of EXPORT_SYMBOL()

2013-01-29 Thread Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Mulyadi Santosa
wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Adel Qodmani  wrote:
> > And you're allowed to use it in Kernel modules too? I mean I can expose a
> > function in a kernel module that I am building by using EXPORT_SYMBOL?
>
> technically, yes, you're allowed to export symbol(s) in your kernel
> module. Of course, during compiling, module that uses that exported
> symbol will be said as using unknown symbol (but since likely you will
> use "extern", it will still go on).
>
> During module linking in kernel space, that "unknown symbol name" will
> be resolved. Just like what we see when a program link to function(s)
> or variable(s) in dynamic libraries.
>
>
> I think this is explained very well in LDD chapter 1 or 2) and LKD. Kernel
modules are in kernel space, so if you export a symbol it is available to
the kernel.

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Re: boot linux2.6 in virtual machine

2013-01-29 Thread Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:39 PM, horseriver  wrote:

> hi:)
>
>   I have compiled a kernel of 2.6 version . there is an bzImage file
> generated and I
>
Which version of 2.6? I am sure you are aware that the current kernel is
3.7.x and thus most of the newer application would support newer version
and not older version

>   have got a initrd.img file here.
>
initramfs is newer ramdisk, why are you using an older format?

>   Now ,I want to boot  this kernel , Need I have a boot-loader ? Is GRUB
> right for this?
>
Ofcourse, how else would you boot?
Grub should do the work.

>   Need I mount kernel image and initrd.img on /dev/XXX ?  If need, when to
> do mount them?
>
you really need to read more about the intended virtual machine and the
process itself. It seems you have not done enough research to ask such
questions. I would highly suggest that you read either about KVM or Xen,
though I would personally go for usermode linux.

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Re: Linux Kernel Networking document (free, 178 pages doc)

2013-01-29 Thread anish singh
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Mulyadi Santosa
 wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Rami Rosen  wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> You can find here an up to date and detailed document in pdf (178
>> pages) about Linux Kernel Networking; going deep into design and
>> implementation details as well as the theory behind it:
Though I am not a networking guy but this detailed tome is really good but
unfortunately we don't have same for many other systems such as scheduler
and workqueues.
Probably it is because these systems keep on evolving and there are many LOC
added on a daily basis.
>
> Rami, I really appreciate your open publication. Thumbs up!
>
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boot linux2.6 in virtual machine

2013-01-29 Thread horseriver
hi:)
  
  I have compiled a kernel of 2.6 version . there is an bzImage file generated 
and I 
  have got a initrd.img file here.
  Now ,I want to boot  this kernel , Need I have a boot-loader ? Is GRUB right 
for this?
  Need I mount kernel image and initrd.img on /dev/XXX ?  If need, when to do 
mount them?


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Re: Linux Kernel Networking document (free, 178 pages doc)

2013-01-29 Thread Srinidhi K V
Thanks Rami. It is helpful for many newbies like me.

Regards,
Srinidhi

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Mulyadi Santosa
wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Rami Rosen  wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > You can find here an up to date and detailed document in pdf (178
> > pages) about Linux Kernel Networking; going deep into design and
> > implementation details as well as the theory behind it:
>
> Rami, I really appreciate your open publication. Thumbs up!
>
> --
> regards,
>
> Mulyadi Santosa
> Freelance Linux trainer and consultant
>
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> training: mulyaditraining.blogspot.com
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Re: use of EXPORT_SYMBOL()

2013-01-29 Thread Mulyadi Santosa
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Adel Qodmani  wrote:
> And you're allowed to use it in Kernel modules too? I mean I can expose a
> function in a kernel module that I am building by using EXPORT_SYMBOL?

technically, yes, you're allowed to export symbol(s) in your kernel
module. Of course, during compiling, module that uses that exported
symbol will be said as using unknown symbol (but since likely you will
use "extern", it will still go on).

During module linking in kernel space, that "unknown symbol name" will
be resolved. Just like what we see when a program link to function(s)
or variable(s) in dynamic libraries.


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Re: use of EXPORT_SYMBOL()

2013-01-29 Thread Adel Qodmani
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Mulyadi Santosa
wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 3:13 AM, horseriver  wrote:
> > hi:)
> >
> >In kernel code ,what is the use of EXPORT_SYMBOL()?
> >Does it export a function to user application ,
> >so this function can be used in user application ?
>
> So it can be used by kernel modules.
>
> Think of it like "public" keyword in C++.
>
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And you're allowed to use it in Kernel modules too? I mean I can expose a
function in a kernel module that I am building by using EXPORT_SYMBOL?
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