Re: Bios , Mbr, Grub
OK ! THANKS A LOT ! Gnoleba 2016-07-05 12:32 GMT+00:00 Daniel. <danielhi...@gmail.com>: > It is not a link, it's a command, the link is this: > http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/grub.git/tree/ > > 2016-07-05 3:17 GMT-03:00 Ricardo Ribalda Delgado < > ricardo.riba...@gmail.com>: > > https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2 > > > > On 5 Jul 2016 08:16, "Gnoleba GNOGBO" <gnognol...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Ricardo ! > >> > >> Your link is wrong : not found > >> Gnoleba > >> > >> Le 4 juil. 2016 12:10, "Ricardo Ribalda Delgado" > >> <ricardo.riba...@gmail.com> a écrit : > >>> > >>> git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/grub.git > >>> find grub/boot/i386/pc/ > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Gnoleba GNOGBO <gnognol...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > Hi ! > >>> > > >>> > I had read a lot of book and link about initialization of the boot > >>> > starting > >>> > of linux. > >>> > > >>> > I read that , after the post by the bios the mbr is loaded in memory > >>> > which > >>> > routine load this sector ? > >>> > In this sector of 512 bytes we have 440 bytes for a routine what is > >>> > the > >>> > function of this routine ? When this routine is executed ? The 2 > bytes > >>> > with > >>> > 0xAA55 what is its function ? Who load it in memory ? And the all > book > >>> > i had > >>> > read said the mbr load the loader grub How ? And the grub launch the > >>> > kernel, > >>> > ok . How this grub is load ? By which programm ? > >>> > So, i would like that someone give me the names of routines, the > order > >>> > of > >>> > their launching and which load or execute what until the grub > exécution > >>> > ? > >>> > > >>> > Thank you for your help. > >>> > Greg i am waiting a lot from you ! > >>> > > >>> > Best regards > >>> > Gnoleba GNOGBO > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ___ > >>> > Kernelnewbies mailing list > >>> > Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org > >>> > http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Ricardo Ribalda > > > > > > ___ > > Kernelnewbies mailing list > > Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org > > http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies > > > > > > -- > "Do or do not. There is no try" > Yoda Master > -- *Gnoleba GNOGBO* *Mobile : * *+225 02 60 17 66**Skype* : *gnognoleba* ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bios , Mbr, Grub
Hi ! Thanks for your answears. Can you give le the link where i can find "Understanding the linux system startup " please ? Regards Gnoleba Le 6 juil. 2016 04:00, "arshad hussain" <arshad.su...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > On 04-Jul-2016, at 2:30 pm, Gnoleba GNOGBO <gnognol...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi ! > > > > I had read a lot of book and link about initialization of the boot > starting of linux. > > > > I read that , after the post by the bios the mbr is loaded in memory > which routine load this sector ? > > This is architecture specific and is done by BIOS. > > > In this sector of 512 bytes we have 440 bytes for a routine what is the > function of this routine ? > > Actually its 446 bytes. These are executable code. > > 16bytes per partition * 4 = 64bytes + (0xAA55) 2 bytes for MBR Marker = > 66bytes > > 512 - 66 = 446 bytes > > > When this routine is executed ? > > Just after POST. Done by BIOS. > > > The 2 bytes with 0xAA55 what is its function ? > > Its denotes that the sector is executable. Can also be seen as Marker. > > > Who load it in memory ? And the all book i had read said the mbr load > the loader grub How ? And the grub launch the kernel, ok . How this grub is > load ? By which programm ? > > So, i would like that someone give me the names of routines, the order > of their launching and which load or execute what until the grub exécution ? > > I would suggest work it floppy on qemu/bochs first to understand then > gradually > move on to partition tables and boot loaders. > > Read “Understanding the linux kernel” - System Startup chapter for > thorough understanding. > > Thanks. > > > > > Thank you for your help. > > Greg i am waiting a lot from you ! > > > > Best regards > > Gnoleba GNOGBO > > > > ___ > > Kernelnewbies mailing list > > Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org > > http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies > > ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bios , Mbr, Grub
Hi Ricardo ! Your link is wrong : not found Gnoleba Le 4 juil. 2016 12:10, "Ricardo Ribalda Delgado" <ricardo.riba...@gmail.com> a écrit : > git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/grub.git > find grub/boot/i386/pc/ > > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Gnoleba GNOGBO <gnognol...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi ! > > > > I had read a lot of book and link about initialization of the boot > starting > > of linux. > > > > I read that , after the post by the bios the mbr is loaded in memory > which > > routine load this sector ? > > In this sector of 512 bytes we have 440 bytes for a routine what is the > > function of this routine ? When this routine is executed ? The 2 bytes > with > > 0xAA55 what is its function ? Who load it in memory ? And the all book i > had > > read said the mbr load the loader grub How ? And the grub launch the > kernel, > > ok . How this grub is load ? By which programm ? > > So, i would like that someone give me the names of routines, the order of > > their launching and which load or execute what until the grub exécution ? > > > > Thank you for your help. > > Greg i am waiting a lot from you ! > > > > Best regards > > Gnoleba GNOGBO > > > > > > ___ > > Kernelnewbies mailing list > > Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org > > http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies > > > > > > -- > Ricardo Ribalda > ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Bios , Mbr, Grub
Hi ! I had read a lot of book and link about initialization of the boot starting of linux. I read that , after the post by the bios the mbr is loaded in memory which routine load this sector ? In this sector of 512 bytes we have 440 bytes for a routine what is the function of this routine ? When this routine is executed ? The 2 bytes with 0xAA55 what is its function ? Who load it in memory ? And the all book i had read said the mbr load the loader grub How ? And the grub launch the kernel, ok . How this grub is load ? By which programm ? So, i would like that someone give me the names of routines, the order of their launching and which load or execute what until the grub exécution ? Thank you for your help. Greg i am waiting a lot from you ! Best regards Gnoleba GNOGBO ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
LINKS PLEASE
Hi ! I am beginning my learn of Linux ! Can you show (give) me the good link for : 1. the management of the all memory in Linux ( Rom, Ram, cache, Registers, swap and fs) 2. the management of the all process (initialization, user process, kernel process ) 3. the all tables in memory to manage the data and process Regards Gnoleba -- *Gnoleba GNOGBO* *Mobile : * *+225 02 60 17 66**Skype* : *gnognoleba* ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
vmlinux
Hi All ! In my learning of linux there is the stupide questions i would like to ask you. 1- Why the name of the kernel is vmlinux ? What is the origine of this name ? Perhaps you know why ? Tell me please or give the link which can explan it. 2 - When linux start the init process launch the default shell process and give the prompt. The others process as linux commands or users process are the forks of this first shell process ? Can you explan simply this point or give me the link which can help me please in the starting of linux. Do something as everybody is good but know why, is better to do it. Help please. Gnogbo ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: how can I find where is the macro or function deifined
Can you give a procedure step by step please to answer please ? B. Regards Gnogbo Le 28 juil. 2015 17:41, Navy Cheng nav...@126.com a écrit : On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 06:03:16PM +0200, Ahmed Soliman wrote: Hi; when I used libc I never memorized where each function is located beyond the basics (for example I never knew if strlen is in string.h or ctype.h or strlib.h ) I just check out the functions man pages by man strlen is their such functionality for the kernel where I dont need to memorize the dependencies for example if MODULE_LICENSE is in kernel.h or module.h with out using the internel to google them . *make tags* in the root directory of the kernel tree. Then a file named TAGS is created. TAGS is treated as one part of the tree when *git status*. You can load it with Vim or emacs. Google it for details. ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree
https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/ Hi ! This is a great link for a lot of information. Thank you for this job. All of us would like to learn again and again can you give us the link which explain this organisation ? The vocabulary used ? The legend ? Understand to look for the right info in the right place ! Luis the appetit comes in eating to you know ? Friendly Best regards GNOGBO ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Test
Ok ! Gnogbo Le 5 juil. 2015 09:25, Mohit . reachm...@ymail.com a écrit : Test mail ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Changel anguage
Ok Valdis ! Your answer has a sens. Thanks B. Regards. Gnogbo Le 4 juil. 2015 00:58, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu a écrit : On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 10:57:18 -, Gnoleba GNOGBO said: I would like to change my language to french please. Feel free to do so. However, note that although almost everybody in the kernel community can manage enough English to make themselves understood, relatively few are proficient in French. So you may as well say everything in English the first time around, and avoid everybody saying Can you repeat that in English please? ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
All links for a dummy
Hi All ! Step by step I would like to understand how work the linux kernel help me please and give me all useful link. I shall work hard but I ' ll become evangelist for linux ! Help me please. I am sixty two, I have no money to buy courses or books. Thanks Gnoleba ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: HELP All USEFULL LINK
Merci beaucoup GREG ! Or Thanks a lot GREG ! I ' ll do ! Regards Gnogbo Le 2 juil. 2015 22:34, Greg Freemyer greg.freem...@gmail.com a écrit : On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Gnoleba GNOGBO gnognol...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Greg ! Ok, I understand your point of view. Now, can you provide me somes links for the docs in order of those objectives ? I have somes notions in programming but not in c or java. I want to know very well linux. To begin in first time by c isn't a problem. I am waiting the docs to begin. Help me please. If you have the ability to listen to english, this 9-part series of video's is worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk2fK2IIiiQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwpP_MsZWnU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpcdSWsVhG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huMTljgjPrg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtbqs0M-B-s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMlnFwYdqIw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2ooG5akhS8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2fVU_FAJIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32uNkhplNpY They are talking about the basics of using c in Linux. There is no IDE to clutter things up. If you want to be expert on Linux and programming with linux I recommend you start without using an IDE. You can add that step on later. Note that I learned c 30 years ago and basically everything in these videos worked then. That is the great thing about learning to use the basic tools and basic languages. Greg ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
HELP All USEFULL LINK
Hi All ! Please help me. Can you give me the all usefull link to understand how the kernel works. I am 62. I would like to be evangilist of linux in Africa. I have no money to buy books or courses. Thanks for your help. GNOGBO ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: HELP All USEFULL LINK
Wonderfull Luis ! Nice and quick answer. Thanks ! 1) My first learn is to understand the structure of linux as os. 2) Admin all linux from console 3) programming under linux with the c or java language 4) networking in hetegerous environment 5 ) creat the web site. This is my learning program, of course you can propose me the best way in function of your experience. Best regards Gnogbo Le 2 juil. 2015 17:52, Luis de Bethencourt l...@debethencourt.com a écrit : On 2 July 2015 at 17:44, Gnoleba GNOGBO gnognol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All ! Please help me. Can you give me the all usefull link to understand how the kernel works. I am 62. I would like to be evangilist of linux in Africa. I have no money to buy books or courses. Thanks for your help. GNOGBO Hi Gnogbo, http://kernelnewbies.org/Documents is full of good resources https://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ Most recommended Linux Kernel book and it is free to download. https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation The Kernel is very well documented. I recommend starting here: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/development-process http://eudyptula-challenge.org/ Eudyptula challenge is great to learn by doing. Join it :) http://free-electrons.com/training/kernel/ Same with this training. I'm sure people here will have more resources to recommend. That said, the Linux Kernel is huge. Currently at over 15 million lines of code. If you tell us which specific areas are of your interest, we can give you more pinpointed recommendations. Enjoy! It is a long path of learning but a fun and gratifying one. Luis ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: HELP All USEFULL LINK
Ok ! I don't know what the othet GUY think about your proposition. At this moment I'll do so. About the 5 create site web it is easy. Here we have not enough competence to write some web applications which can run on the smartphone or tablets Thanks Gnogbo Le 2 juil. 2015 19:10, Luis de Bethencourt l...@debethencourt.com a écrit : On 2 July 2015 at 19:22, Gnoleba GNOGBO gnognol...@gmail.com wrote: Wonderfull Luis ! Nice and quick answer. Thanks ! 1) My first learn is to understand the structure of linux as os. 2) Admin all linux from console 3) programming under linux with the c or java language 4) networking in hetegerous environment 5 ) creat the web site. This is my learning program, of course you can propose me the best way in function of your experience. Best regards Gnogbo I would rearrange the order of things. Learning to use, administrate and program in Linux machines first would make things a lot clearer when learning the internals. I would recommend you do: 2, 3, 1, 4 and 5. About 5; create which website? Not clear on what you mean. Thanks, Luis Le 2 juil. 2015 17:52, Luis de Bethencourt l...@debethencourt.com a écrit : On 2 July 2015 at 17:44, Gnoleba GNOGBO gnognol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All ! Please help me. Can you give me the all usefull link to understand how the kernel works. I am 62. I would like to be evangilist of linux in Africa. I have no money to buy books or courses. Thanks for your help. GNOGBO Hi Gnogbo, http://kernelnewbies.org/Documents is full of good resources https://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ Most recommended Linux Kernel book and it is free to download. https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation The Kernel is very well documented. I recommend starting here: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/development-process http://eudyptula-challenge.org/ Eudyptula challenge is great to learn by doing. Join it :) http://free-electrons.com/training/kernel/ Same with this training. I'm sure people here will have more resources to recommend. That said, the Linux Kernel is huge. Currently at over 15 million lines of code. If you tell us which specific areas are of your interest, we can give you more pinpointed recommendations. Enjoy! It is a long path of learning but a fun and gratifying one. Luis ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: HELP All USEFULL LINK
Great Luis ! God bless you ! I have something to do ! Thanks ! Gnogbo Le 2 juil. 2015 21:32, Luis de Bethencourt l...@debethencourt.com a écrit : On 2 July 2015 at 22:18, Gnoleba GNOGBO gnognol...@gmail.com wrote: Luis. Can you give somes docs link for the order : 2, 3, 1, 4 and 5 please Thanks Gnogbo I recommend you ask in the specific places of each domain. This mailing list is about Linux Kernel internals development. We are not experts of everything. 2: http://www.tldp.org/ https://wiki.archlinux.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommunityHelpWiki Most distributions have good documentation about how to install, administrate, and do interesting things with it. 3: Depends on the libraries you want to use: https://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.44/ http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html http://man7.org/tlpi/ 1: Already mentioned The above is already a substantial amount of learning time. Once you learnt this you will have a clearer idea of what you want with 4 and 5, and how to get the resources for that. You can't lay down all the resources you will need for the next few years right now. Consider how quickly things evolve in web development. Take it one step at a time and be ready to adapt. Enjoy, Luis Le 2 juil. 2015 19:36, Gnoleba GNOGBO gnognol...@gmail.com a écrit : Ok ! I don't know what the othet GUY think about your proposition. At this moment I'll do so. About the 5 create site web it is easy. Here we have not enough competence to write some web applications which can run on the smartphone or tablets Thanks Gnogbo Le 2 juil. 2015 19:10, Luis de Bethencourt l...@debethencourt.com a écrit : On 2 July 2015 at 19:22, Gnoleba GNOGBO gnognol...@gmail.com wrote: Wonderfull Luis ! Nice and quick answer. Thanks ! 1) My first learn is to understand the structure of linux as os. 2) Admin all linux from console 3) programming under linux with the c or java language 4) networking in hetegerous environment 5 ) creat the web site. This is my learning program, of course you can propose me the best way in function of your experience. Best regards Gnogbo I would rearrange the order of things. Learning to use, administrate and program in Linux machines first would make things a lot clearer when learning the internals. I would recommend you do: 2, 3, 1, 4 and 5. About 5; create which website? Not clear on what you mean. Thanks, Luis Le 2 juil. 2015 17:52, Luis de Bethencourt l...@debethencourt.com a écrit : On 2 July 2015 at 17:44, Gnoleba GNOGBO gnognol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All ! Please help me. Can you give me the all usefull link to understand how the kernel works. I am 62. I would like to be evangilist of linux in Africa. I have no money to buy books or courses. Thanks for your help. GNOGBO Hi Gnogbo, http://kernelnewbies.org/Documents is full of good resources https://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ Most recommended Linux Kernel book and it is free to download. https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation The Kernel is very well documented. I recommend starting here: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/development-process http://eudyptula-challenge.org/ Eudyptula challenge is great to learn by doing. Join it :) http://free-electrons.com/training/kernel/ Same with this training. I'm sure people here will have more resources to recommend. That said, the Linux Kernel is huge. Currently at over 15 million lines of code. If you tell us which specific areas are of your interest, we can give you more pinpointed recommendations. Enjoy! It is a long path of learning but a fun and gratifying one. Luis ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: HELP All USEFULL LINK
Thanks Greg ! Ok, I understand your point of view. Now, can you provide me somes links for the docs in order of those objectives ? I have somes notions in programming but not in c or java. I want to know very well linux. To begin in first time by c isn't a problem. I am waiting the docs to begin. Help me please. Thanks Gnogbo ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: HELP All USEFULL LINK
Greg, just thanks ! In a few hours I learn a lot from you and Luis. Always, you, the experts , help the others new people in linux. Remember what appened in 1991 to Linus T. and how we get Gnu/linux ! B. Regards GNOGBO. Le 2 juil. 2015 21:54, Greg Freemyer greg.freem...@gmail.com a écrit : On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Gnoleba GNOGBO gnognol...@gmail.com wrote: Luis. Can you give somes docs link for the order : 2, 3, 1, 4 and 5 please Thanks Gnogbo Gnogbo, You should be aware this is the linux kernel newbies list. It is expected most people coming here are already very comfortable working with Linux. If you're not, you need to find a Linux Newbies resource. Regardless: Have you picked a distribution? I get the impression you're very new to Linux. Ubuntu has a reputation as easy to learn. (I've been doing Unix/Linux for 30+ years, so I haven't felt the urge to look into it. openSUSE is my personal choice.). Assumuning you have Ubuntu installed, here is a very basic intro: http://www.tecmint.com/useful-linux-commands-for-newbies/ Most of the commands will apply to any version of linux. The exception being package management tools like apt. Typically a distribution supports DEBs or RPMs and the ways to work with them are different. apt is typically used with DEBs. openSUSE uses rpm and zypper for package management from the command line. If that is too basic for you, then here is the next tier: http://www.tecmint.com/20-advanced-commands-for-middle-level-linux-users/ Most of those are in the basic skill set of a Linux admin. All 40 of the above commands have been around for at least a decade and most since 1980 or before. After that, you move in to more advanced topics and in some cases the tools are newer. You need to make sure you have current docs. An example is systemd. It is now mainstream, but 5 years ago I had not heard of it. Things like ifconfig from decades ago still work and is commonly used by documentation, but they are no longer the preferred way to work with the NICs and especially not with IPv6. If by chance you want to go with openSUSE, they have a set of books available at: https://activedoc.opensuse.org/ As an example here is the section on openSUSE services: https://activedoc.opensuse.org/book/opensuse-reference/part-iv-services Greg -- Greg Freemyer www.IntelligentAvatar.net ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
