Re: Memory pages not released by the filesystem after a truncate

[Houssem Daoud]

The situation is as follows:

Filesystem inactive pages are consuming all the available memory and 
only 100 MB is left to the system.


The network driver, which allocates memory objects for Jumbo frames, 
needs more than 100 MB to run correctly.  If a burst of networks packets 
arrive together, the available memory is fully consumed and the new 
packets are dropped.


This situation wouldn't happen if the "useless" pages of the filesystem 
were released just after the truncate operation.


What is the point of keeping truncated pages in memory ? Is that a 
choice made by the kernel developers or there is something wrong with 
the filesystem implementation ?



On 16-07-06 12:29 PM, Mulyadi Santosa wrote:

Hi

Trying to help here:
You said you wanna do atomic allocation. But then you said you want to 
allocate around ~100 MB contiguous memory region.


IIRC, if you want to do atomic allocation, usually it can not be that 
big. I am not sure how large, but surely not reaching 100 MB. For that 
size, I think you should rely on vmalloc.


But, for clarification, maybe you should also post your full content 
of  /proc/buddyinfo and /proc/meminfo



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Re: Memory pages not released by the filesystem after a truncate

[Houssem Daoud]

The situation is the following: Filesystem anonymous pages are consuming 
all the available memory and only 100 MB is left to the system.


The network driver, which allocates memory objects for Jumbo frames, 
needs more than 100 MB to run correctly.  If a burst of networks packets 
arrive together, the available memory is fully consumed and the new 
packets start to be dropped.


This situation wouldn't happen if the "useless" pages of the filesystem 
were released just after the truncate operation.


What is the point of keeping truncated pages in memory ? Is that a 
choice made by the kernel developers or there is something wrong in the 
filesystem implementation ?



On 16-07-06 12:29 PM, Mulyadi Santosa wrote:

Hi

Trying to help here:
You said you wanna do atomic allocation. But then you said you want to 
allocate around ~100 MB contiguous memory region.


IIRC, if you want to do atomic allocation, usually it can not be that 
big. I am not sure how large, but surely not reaching 100 MB. For that 
size, I think you should rely on vmalloc.


But, for clarification, maybe you should also post your full content 
of  /proc/buddyinfo and /proc/meminfo



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regards,

Mulyadi Santosa
Freelance Linux trainer and consultant

blog: the-hydra.blogspot.com 
training: mulyaditraining.blogspot.com 




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Re: Memory pages not released by the filesystem after a truncate

[Mulyadi Santosa]

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:24 AM, Houssem Daoud 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My system experiencing problems with atomic memory allocations. Device
> drivers are not able to allocate contiguous memory regions due to a high
> fragmentation level.
>
> At the time of failure: /proc/meminfo shows the following information:
> MemTotal: 4021820 Kb
> MemFree: 121912 Kb
> Active: 1304396 Kb
> Inactive: 2377124 Kb
>
> Most of the memory is consumed by the LRU inactive list and only 121 Mb
> is available to the system.
> By using a tracer, I found that most of the pages in the inactive list
> are created by the ext4 journal during a truncate operation.
> The call stack of the allocation is:
> [
> __alloc_pages_nodemask
> alloc_pages_current
> __page_cache_alloc
> find_or_create_page
> __getblk
> jbd2_journal_get_descriptor_buffer
> jbd2_journal_commit_transaction
> kjournald2
> kthread
> ]
>
> The problem is easily reproducible using the following script:
> #!/bin/bash
> while true;
> do
> dd if=/dev/zero of=output.dat  bs=100M count=1
> done
>
> Is that a normal behavior ? I know that the philosophy of memory
> management in Linux is to use the available memory as much as possible,
> but what is the need of keeping truncated pages in the LRU if we know
> that they are not even accessible ?
>
> The problem of the inactive list growth occurs only with the journal
> mode of ext4, not with the write-back mode.
>
> A chart representing the utilization of memory during the test is
> provided in this link:
> http://secretaire.dorsal.polymtl.ca/~hdaoud/ext4_journal_meminfo.png
>
> Thanks,
> Houssem
>
>
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Hi

Trying to help here:
You said you wanna do atomic allocation. But then you said you want to
allocate around ~100 MB contiguous memory region.

IIRC, if you want to do atomic allocation, usually it can not be that big.
I am not sure how large, but surely not reaching 100 MB. For that size, I
think you should rely on vmalloc.

But, for clarification, maybe you should also post your full content of
 /proc/buddyinfo and /proc/meminfo


-- 
regards,

Mulyadi Santosa
Freelance Linux trainer and consultant

blog: the-hydra.blogspot.com
training: mulyaditraining.blogspot.com
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Memory pages not released by the filesystem after a truncate

[Houssem Daoud]

Hi,

My system experiencing problems with atomic memory allocations. Device 
drivers are not able to allocate contiguous memory regions due to a high 
fragmentation level.

At the time of failure: /proc/meminfo shows the following information:
MemTotal: 4021820 Kb
MemFree: 121912 Kb
Active: 1304396 Kb
Inactive: 2377124 Kb

Most of the memory is consumed by the LRU inactive list and only 121 Mb 
is available to the system.
By using a tracer, I found that most of the pages in the inactive list 
are created by the ext4 journal during a truncate operation.
The call stack of the allocation is:
[
__alloc_pages_nodemask
alloc_pages_current
__page_cache_alloc
find_or_create_page
__getblk
jbd2_journal_get_descriptor_buffer
jbd2_journal_commit_transaction
kjournald2
kthread
]

The problem is easily reproducible using the following script:
#!/bin/bash
while true;
do
dd if=/dev/zero of=output.dat  bs=100M count=1
done

Is that a normal behavior ? I know that the philosophy of memory 
management in Linux is to use the available memory as much as possible, 
but what is the need of keeping truncated pages in the LRU if we know 
that they are not even accessible ?

The problem of the inactive list growth occurs only with the journal 
mode of ext4, not with the write-back mode.

A chart representing the utilization of memory during the test is 
provided in this link: 
http://secretaire.dorsal.polymtl.ca/~hdaoud/ext4_journal_meminfo.png

Thanks,
Houssem


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