Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer greg.freem...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick Get married and take your wife's name! Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot. More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it. You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :) On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer greg.freem...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick Get married and take your wife's name! Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot. More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it. You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thanks and Regards Pramod ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav pramod.gurav@gmail.com wrote: Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :) Happy to help :D On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer greg.freem...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick Get married and take your wife's name! Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot. More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it. You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thanks and Regards Pramod -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav pramod.gurav@gmail.com wrote: Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :) Happy to help :D On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer greg.freem...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick Get married and take your wife's name! Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot. More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it. You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thanks and Regards Pramod -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz I am banned from vger or not? Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav pramod.gurav@gmail.com wrote: Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :) Happy to help :D On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer greg.freem...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick Get married and take your wife's name! Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot. More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it. You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thanks and Regards Pramod -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz I am banned from vger or not? Nick Seems I am banned from the list is there any way around this or not? Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
Being banned from the list means that you're not welcome anymore, so don't try to get around it. On Aug 6, 2014 3:25 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav pramod.gurav@gmail.com wrote: Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :) Happy to help :D On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer greg.freem...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick Get married and take your wife's name! Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot. More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it. You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thanks and Regards Pramod -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz I am banned from vger or not? Nick Seems I am banned from the list is there any way around this or not? Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Kristofer Hallin kristofer.hal...@gmail.com wrote: Being banned from the list means that you're not welcome anymore, so don't try to get around it. On Aug 6, 2014 3:25 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav pramod.gurav@gmail.com wrote: Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :) Happy to help :D On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer greg.freem...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick Get married and take your wife's name! Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot. More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it. You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thanks and Regards Pramod -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz I am banned from vger or not? Nick Seems I am banned from the list is there any way around this or not? Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies I am not trying to get around it, I would like to be welcomed back is all. Cheers Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Nick Krause wrote: Seems I am banned from the [LKML] list is there any way around this or not? good lord, man ... when you're *banned* from a particular venue, the proper and productive response is to examine your behaviour, then do what it takes to correct it, *not* immediately ask if there's a way to circumvent the ban. at this point, i suggest it's time to ban you from *this* list for the simple reason that your participation has nothing to do with furthering anyone's knowledge of the linux kernel; rather, it has devolved into a discussion about your unacceptable behaviour, and this is most emphatically *not* the proper mailing list for that. if there's a voting process, i would vote that nick krause be removed from this mailing list. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Kristofer Hallin kristofer.hal...@gmail.com wrote: Being banned from the list means that you're not welcome anymore, so don't try to get around it. On Aug 6, 2014 3:25 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav pramod.gurav@gmail.com wrote: Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :) Happy to help :D On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer greg.freem...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick Get married and take your wife's name! Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot. More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it. You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thanks and Regards Pramod -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz I am banned from vger or not? Nick Seems I am banned from the list is there any way around this or not? Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies I am not trying to get around it, I would like to be welcomed back is all. Cheers Nick Actually its quite an achievement to get banned from the list. My advise : forget about the list for now. Go through all the advises that you have got from every one regarding your patches. You might not have seen the advises given to you . Then understand what you are trying to do , understand why you are trying to do that , and then try to think how you are going to do that. And after doing test it by compiling the kernel and booting into the new kernel and verify that your changes are working. ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Kristofer Hallin kristofer.hal...@gmail.com wrote: Being banned from the list means that you're not welcome anymore, so don't try to get around it. On Aug 6, 2014 3:25 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav pramod.gurav@gmail.com wrote: Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :) Happy to help :D On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer greg.freem...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick Get married and take your wife's name! Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot. More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it. You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thanks and Regards Pramod -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz I am banned from vger or not? Nick Seems I am banned from the list is there any way around this or not? Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies I am not trying to get around it, I would like to be welcomed back is all. Cheers Nick If I were you I would stop being a keyboard warrior at this very point and start reading LDD, ULK, LKD etc and looking at code. -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Kristofer Hallin kristofer.hal...@gmail.com wrote: Being banned from the list means that you're not welcome anymore, so don't try to get around it. On Aug 6, 2014 3:25 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav pramod.gurav@gmail.com wrote: Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :) Happy to help :D On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer greg.freem...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick Get married and take your wife's name! Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot. More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it. You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Thanks and Regards Pramod -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz I am banned from vger or not? Nick Seems I am banned from the list is there any way around this or not? Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies I am not trying to get around it, I would like to be welcomed back is all. Cheers Nick If I were you I would stop being a keyboard warrior at this very point and start reading LDD, ULK, LKD etc and looking at code. -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz I have read the books you suggested, seems I was not doing the work in the correct way. I seem to be helping out with some traces for now. Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: I have read the books you suggested, seems I was not doing the work in the correct way. I seem to be helping out with some traces for now. Regards Nick Nick, Are you suffering from autism? This is a genuine question as your behavior is really making lots of people think so. Please let us know so that we can act accordingly. -- Andev ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Andev debian...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: I have read the books you suggested, seems I was not doing the work in the correct way. I seem to be helping out with some traces for now. Regards Nick Nick, Are you suffering from autism? This is a genuine question as your behavior is really making lots of people think so. Please let us know so that we can act accordingly. -- Andev I do have aspergers. Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Andev debian...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: I have read the books you suggested, seems I was not doing the work in the correct way. I seem to be helping out with some traces for now. Regards Nick Nick, Are you suffering from autism? This is a genuine question as your behavior is really making lots of people think so. Please let us know so that we can act accordingly. -- Andev I do have aspergers. Nick In addition, sometimes I don't listen to advice even through it's good advice(testing patches) due to ego and that's not a good thing on the list. Cheers Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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But aren't broken patches doing more damage to your ego than testing the code before trying to get it merged? On Aug 6, 2014 4:22 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Andev debian...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: I have read the books you suggested, seems I was not doing the work in the correct way. I seem to be helping out with some traces for now. Regards Nick Nick, Are you suffering from autism? This is a genuine question as your behavior is really making lots of people think so. Please let us know so that we can act accordingly. -- Andev I do have aspergers. Nick In addition, sometimes I don't listen to advice even through it's good advice(testing patches) due to ego and that's not a good thing on the list. Cheers Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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+1 lmfao! -Josh On 08/06/2014 09:35 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Nick Krause wrote: Seems I am banned from the [LKML] list is there any way around this or not? good lord, man ... when you're *banned* from a particular venue, the proper and productive response is to examine your behaviour, then do what it takes to correct it, *not* immediately ask if there's a way to circumvent the ban. at this point, i suggest it's time to ban you from *this* list for the simple reason that your participation has nothing to do with furthering anyone's knowledge of the linux kernel; rather, it has devolved into a discussion about your unacceptable behaviour, and this is most emphatically *not* the proper mailing list for that. if there's a voting process, i would vote that nick krause be removed from this mailing list. rday ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Josh Carlson joshcarls...@gmail.com wrote: +1 lmfao! -Josh On 08/06/2014 09:35 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Nick Krause wrote: Seems I am banned from the [LKML] list is there any way around this or not? good lord, man ... when you're *banned* from a particular venue, the proper and productive response is to examine your behaviour, then do what it takes to correct it, *not* immediately ask if there's a way to circumvent the ban. at this point, i suggest it's time to ban you from *this* list for the simple reason that your participation has nothing to do with furthering anyone's knowledge of the linux kernel; rather, it has devolved into a discussion about your unacceptable behaviour, and this is most emphatically *not* the proper mailing list for that. if there's a voting process, i would vote that nick krause be removed from this mailing list. rday Thanks Guys, If someone is willing to get me back on the list , and help me with that it would be great. Cheers Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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-1 I don't support a ban for Nick on this list. If he's genuinely affected by a learning problem then we need to take that into account before jumping to a conclusion. Nick, Advice for you is to NOT worry about whether you're part of kernelnewbies/vger lists or not. Just concentrate on learning as much as possible and 'doing the right thing'. Everything else will fix itself. When you encounter a problem, post your questions here. There are a lot of people who'll be willing to help you, provided you've shown understanding and commitment from your side too. Good luck, -mandeep On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Josh Carlson joshcarls...@gmail.com wrote: +1 lmfao! -Josh On 08/06/2014 09:35 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Nick Krause wrote: Seems I am banned from the [LKML] list is there any way around this or not? good lord, man ... when you're *banned* from a particular venue, the proper and productive response is to examine your behaviour, then do what it takes to correct it, *not* immediately ask if there's a way to circumvent the ban. at this point, i suggest it's time to ban you from *this* list for the simple reason that your participation has nothing to do with furthering anyone's knowledge of the linux kernel; rather, it has devolved into a discussion about your unacceptable behaviour, and this is most emphatically *not* the proper mailing list for that. if there's a voting process, i would vote that nick krause be removed from this mailing list. rday ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com wrote: -1 I don't support a ban for Nick on this list. If he's genuinely affected by a learning problem then we need to take that into account before jumping to a conclusion. Nick, Advice for you is to NOT worry about whether you're part of kernelnewbies/vger lists or not. Just concentrate on learning as much as possible and 'doing the right thing'. Everything else will fix itself. When you encounter a problem, post your questions here. There are a lot of people who'll be willing to help you, provided you've shown understanding and commitment from your side too. Good luck, -mandeep On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Josh Carlson joshcarls...@gmail.com wrote: +1 lmfao! -Josh On 08/06/2014 09:35 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Nick Krause wrote: Seems I am banned from the [LKML] list is there any way around this or not? good lord, man ... when you're *banned* from a particular venue, the proper and productive response is to examine your behaviour, then do what it takes to correct it, *not* immediately ask if there's a way to circumvent the ban. at this point, i suggest it's time to ban you from *this* list for the simple reason that your participation has nothing to do with furthering anyone's knowledge of the linux kernel; rather, it has devolved into a discussion about your unacceptable behaviour, and this is most emphatically *not* the proper mailing list for that. if there's a voting process, i would vote that nick krause be removed from this mailing list. rday ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies Aspergers's not a learning problem for computer science, it does however effect my communcation skills and that was the issue. Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that? 0) Nick can't screw up again. *AT ALL*. Patches have to be clean and correct on the first try, and posting something stupid or failing to listen and implement maintainer suggestions will probably be fatal. Yes, that *does* mean that posting a great new idea that's half-baked or worse will probably be fatal, which means you should bounce the idea off several other people who actually know the kernel. I see a *lot* of this would be great if ideas that aren't actually good ideas - either the kernel would have to be majorly re-written for little gain, or the idea is contrary to the way things are done in the kernel, or there's hidden reasons we don't already do it... 1) Pick *one* (or at most two) sub-lists, subscribe, and *SHUT UP AND READ*. Resist the temptation to post anything. Learn. Pay attention to the maintainer's comments on other patches - this is how you learn what they want to see in a patch, and what they *don't* want to see. 2) Once you get an actual handle on what's considered a good patch series for that section of the kernel, *then* start thinking about small patches. 3) Before sending the first few patches, *review* them. Test compile them. Test boot them. E-mail them to yourself, and make sure they apply. Have somebody else look at them off-list first, to make sure you didn't do something stupid. Do everything possible to make sure it's *RIGHT* the first time it hits the sub-list. After 3-4 years of this, and the start of a record of having correct patches, the powers that be might consider un-doing a ban pgpDaQLxSwvwB.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:58 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that? 0) Nick can't screw up again. *AT ALL*. Patches have to be clean and correct on the first try, and posting something stupid or failing to listen and implement maintainer suggestions will probably be fatal. Yes, that *does* mean that posting a great new idea that's half-baked or worse will probably be fatal, which means you should bounce the idea off several other people who actually know the kernel. I see a *lot* of this would be great if ideas that aren't actually good ideas - either the kernel would have to be majorly re-written for little gain, or the idea is contrary to the way things are done in the kernel, or there's hidden reasons we don't already do it... 1) Pick *one* (or at most two) sub-lists, subscribe, and *SHUT UP AND READ*. Resist the temptation to post anything. Learn. Pay attention to the maintainer's comments on other patches - this is how you learn what they want to see in a patch, and what they *don't* want to see. 2) Once you get an actual handle on what's considered a good patch series for that section of the kernel, *then* start thinking about small patches. 3) Before sending the first few patches, *review* them. Test compile them. Test boot them. E-mail them to yourself, and make sure they apply. Have somebody else look at them off-list first, to make sure you didn't do something stupid. Do everything possible to make sure it's *RIGHT* the first time it hits the sub-list. After 3-4 years of this, and the start of a record of having correct patches, the powers that be might consider un-doing a ban So I assume I am up the list for a while then. Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Guys, If someone is willing to get me back on the list , and help me with that it would be great. Cheers Nick I've never heard of a ban before either. Are you banned from subscribing? or banned from posting? Or both? If you can still subscribe, why do you really need to post? Seriously I'm on a few vger lists and I rarely post. Also, which vger list is it you think is critical to you. I for one have never subscribed to the main lkml list. It just has an overwhelming amount of traffic. I focus on the subsystems I find of interest. Even those tend to get much more email traffic than I can read thoroughly. Greg -- Greg Freemyer ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Greg Freemyer greg.freem...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Guys, If someone is willing to get me back on the list , and help me with that it would be great. Cheers Nick I've never heard of a ban before either. Are you banned from subscribing? or banned from posting? Or both? If you can still subscribe, why do you really need to post? Seriously I'm on a few vger lists and I rarely post. Also, which vger list is it you think is critical to you. I for one have never subscribed to the main lkml list. It just has an overwhelming amount of traffic. I focus on the subsystems I find of interest. Even those tend to get much more email traffic than I can read thoroughly. Greg -- Greg Freemyer All of them. Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that? *sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door. i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos. people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not. it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, ok, but what should i be doing? if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that? *sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door. i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos. people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not. it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, ok, but what should i be doing? if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick Also Robert I starting this the wrong way be treating this as a playground rather then for real work and that was another mistake I made. I do feel that if you guys give me a second case I will listen much better and stop wasting time. Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that? *sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door. i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos. people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not. it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, ok, but what should i be doing? if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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Nick, stop sending patches and emails. Go talk to someone in real life, have them to look at the emails and talk to them about it. Talk to someone that understands your communication style and can explain these things to you in a way that you can understand it. You are making things worse by trying to contact people that you have annoyed. Step away from the computer and talk to someone in real life because none of the emails and suggestions people have given seem to be helping you. Lidza On Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that? *sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door. i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos. people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not. it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, ok, but what should i be doing? if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Lidza Louina lidza.lou...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, stop sending patches and emails. Go talk to someone in real life, have them to look at the emails and talk to them about it. Talk to someone that understands your communication style and can explain these things to you in a way that you can understand it. You are making things worse by trying to contact people that you have annoyed. Step away from the computer and talk to someone in real life because none of the emails and suggestions people have given seem to be helping you. Lidza On Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that? *sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door. i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos. people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not. it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, ok, but what should i be doing? if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies Lidza, I am fine here. I didn't listen and that is the key issue if people don't want to give me a second change that's fine. Cheers Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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I still highly recommend that you talk to someone. Lidza On Aug 6, 2014 2:33 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Lidza Louina lidza.lou...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, stop sending patches and emails. Go talk to someone in real life, have them to look at the emails and talk to them about it. Talk to someone that understands your communication style and can explain these things to you in a way that you can understand it. You are making things worse by trying to contact people that you have annoyed. Step away from the computer and talk to someone in real life because none of the emails and suggestions people have given seem to be helping you. Lidza On Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that? *sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door. i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos. people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not. it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, ok, but what should i be doing? if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies Lidza, I am fine here. I didn't listen and that is the key issue if people don't want to give me a second change that's fine. Cheers Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Lidza Louina lidza.lou...@gmail.com wrote: I still highly recommend that you talk to someone. Lidza On Aug 6, 2014 2:33 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Lidza Louina lidza.lou...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, stop sending patches and emails. Go talk to someone in real life, have them to look at the emails and talk to them about it. Talk to someone that understands your communication style and can explain these things to you in a way that you can understand it. You are making things worse by trying to contact people that you have annoyed. Step away from the computer and talk to someone in real life because none of the emails and suggestions people have given seem to be helping you. Lidza On Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that? *sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door. i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos. people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not. it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, ok, but what should i be doing? if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies Lidza, I am fine here. I didn't listen and that is the key issue if people don't want to give me a second change that's fine. Cheers Nick Talk about what ? The issue is my listening. Cheers Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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People. Can we continue the technical discussions on this list? I have no interest anymore in Nicks problems. Take the discussions with Nick off list. On Aug 6, 2014 8:46 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Lidza Louina lidza.lou...@gmail.com wrote: I still highly recommend that you talk to someone. Lidza On Aug 6, 2014 2:33 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Lidza Louina lidza.lou...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, stop sending patches and emails. Go talk to someone in real life, have them to look at the emails and talk to them about it. Talk to someone that understands your communication style and can explain these things to you in a way that you can understand it. You are making things worse by trying to contact people that you have annoyed. Step away from the computer and talk to someone in real life because none of the emails and suggestions people have given seem to be helping you. Lidza On Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that? *sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door. i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos. people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not. it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, ok, but what should i be doing? if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies Lidza, I am fine here. I didn't listen and that is the key issue if people don't want to give me a second change that's fine. Cheers Nick Talk about what ? The issue is my listening. Cheers Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Kristofer Hallin kristofer.hal...@gmail.com wrote: People. Can we continue the technical discussions on this list? I have no interest anymore in Nicks problems. Take the discussions with Nick off list. On Aug 6, 2014 8:46 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Lidza Louina lidza.lou...@gmail.com wrote: I still highly recommend that you talk to someone. Lidza On Aug 6, 2014 2:33 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Lidza Louina lidza.lou...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, stop sending patches and emails. Go talk to someone in real life, have them to look at the emails and talk to them about it. Talk to someone that understands your communication style and can explain these things to you in a way that you can understand it. You are making things worse by trying to contact people that you have annoyed. Step away from the computer and talk to someone in real life because none of the emails and suggestions people have given seem to be helping you. Lidza On Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that? *sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door. i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos. people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not. it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, ok, but what should i be doing? if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies Lidza, I am fine here. I didn't listen and that is the key issue if people don't want to give me a second change that's fine. Cheers Nick Talk about what ? The issue is my listening. Cheers Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies Let's stop this discussion, I do feel I am getting no where and this is wasting the list's bandwidth. Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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YESs ! With the occasion may I get some comments to the REAL_TECH question I asked above. The CPU throttling thingy :) Will be eternally indebted to the ONE who helps me to understand. Thanks in advance, Stephan On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 11:54 AM, Kristofer Hallin kristofer.hal...@gmail.com wrote: People. Can we continue the technical discussions on this list? I have no interest anymore in Nicks problems. Take the discussions with Nick off list. On Aug 6, 2014 8:46 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Lidza Louina lidza.lou...@gmail.com wrote: I still highly recommend that you talk to someone. Lidza On Aug 6, 2014 2:33 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Lidza Louina lidza.lou...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, stop sending patches and emails. Go talk to someone in real life, have them to look at the emails and talk to them about it. Talk to someone that understands your communication style and can explain these things to you in a way that you can understand it. You are making things worse by trying to contact people that you have annoyed. Step away from the computer and talk to someone in real life because none of the emails and suggestions people have given seem to be helping you. Lidza On Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said: oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that? *sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door. i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos. people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not. it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, ok, but what should i be doing? if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies Lidza, I am fine here. I didn't listen and that is the key issue if people don't want to give me a second change that's fine. Cheers Nick Talk about what ? The issue is my listening. Cheers Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
Hmm. What about stop sending patches? On Aug 5, 2014 7:43 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: I have sent out just ten bad patches and the developers seem very annoyed with me and think I am trolling. If someone on this list can find a way for me to improve my relationship with them and let me continue my work here that would be great. Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nick, I came across some G+ posts from kernel developers discussing you and your recent patch submissions. I must say you're pretty (in)famous! :) Jokes aside, why not just follow on the advice given to you by so many people, i.e pick an area of interest (in the various kernel subsystems) for yourself, first pick really small ossues (but not the code formatting ones as they only tend to generate noise for the maintainer and not really fix anything), create the patch, see if the kernel builds with. TEST IT, most importantly (if you don't have the requisite hw then either acquire one, or pick another issue where you CAN test it). Basically check everything thats mentioned here: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/SubmittingPatches http://kernelnewbies.org/OPWfirstpatch Trust me, if you _do_ go through this process and submit a 'good' patch, all past issues that you've had with other developers will be forgotten. Don't be in a rush to get 'something' in the kernel. I know its a big deal to get things in one of the coolest piece of software on this planet, but you'll need a lot perseverance and patience to be a kernel contributor. HTH, -mandeep On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: I have sent out just ten bad patches and the developers seem very annoyed with me and think I am trolling. If someone on this list can find a way for me to improve my relationship with them and let me continue my work here that would be great. Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies That's fine, I feel perhaps I am just really trying to force my code in(ego) and just is bad form. If anyone on this list can read my last trace to check my logic first, before I write a patch and let you check it, that would be great. Thanks A lot, Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nick, I came across some G+ posts from kernel developers discussing you and your recent patch submissions. I must say you're pretty (in)famous! :) Jokes aside, why not just follow on the advice given to you by so many people, i.e pick an area of interest (in the various kernel subsystems) for yourself, first pick really small ossues (but not the code formatting ones as they only tend to generate noise for the maintainer and not really fix anything), create the patch, see if the kernel builds with. TEST IT, most importantly (if you don't have the requisite hw then either acquire one, or pick another issue where you CAN test it). Basically check everything thats mentioned here: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/SubmittingPatches http://kernelnewbies.org/OPWfirstpatch Trust me, if you _do_ go through this process and submit a 'good' patch, all past issues that you've had with other developers will be forgotten. Don't be in a rush to get 'something' in the kernel. I know its a big deal to get things in one of the coolest piece of software on this planet, but you'll need a lot perseverance and patience to be a kernel contributor. HTH, -mandeep On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: I have sent out just ten bad patches and the developers seem very annoyed with me and think I am trolling. If someone on this list can find a way for me to improve my relationship with them and let me continue my work here that would be great. Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies That's fine, I feel perhaps I am just really trying to force my code in(ego) and just is bad form. If anyone on this list can read my last trace to check my logic first, before I write a patch and let you check it, that would be great. Thanks A lot, Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies How about not sending patches at all until you develop a good understanding of kernel subsystems. read the books and read code for few months before you ever re-try sending patches? -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Aug 5, 2014 11:14 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: I have sent out just ten bad patches and the developers seem very annoyed with me and think I am trolling. If someone on this list can find a way for me to improve my relationship with them and let me continue my work here that would be great. Nick i saw that you sent a patch regarding videobuf2 on 3rd august , the reaction of that patch continues till 4th. on 4th you write that you will not send a patch again without testing. but surprisingly again on 5th you send a patch , which as usual , fails to build. have you really tested the patch before sending?? did you try to compile the kernel after making your modifications?? i think - no. ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Sudip Mukherjee sudipm.mukher...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 5, 2014 11:14 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: I have sent out just ten bad patches and the developers seem very annoyed with me and think I am trolling. If someone on this list can find a way for me to improve my relationship with them and let me continue my work here that would be great. Nick i saw that you sent a patch regarding videobuf2 on 3rd august , the reaction of that patch continues till 4th. on 4th you write that you will not send a patch again without testing. but surprisingly again on 5th you send a patch , which as usual , fails to build. have you really tested the patch before sending?? did you try to compile the kernel after making your modifications?? i think - no. ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies Hi Nick, The advice developers have given you is very valuable. As the above ppl have also said, please do hurry through submitting incorrect patches, you should really know what you are fixing and why that needs to be fixed. It should be compiled and tested. Above all, you need to ask yourself a question, why do you really want to do this? Please do not do this if you want to be famous or show that even you can do something technical. Do this only if you are really interested and have liking about OS development stuff. Then it will not matter that you have submitted 100s of patches in a month or just 1 patch in a year. Results should not matter, your goal should be to learn something new every day about linux kernel. This should be done through lots of conceptual code reading, using testing the kernel. To start of please read good books like : - 1. Linux kernel development 2. Understanding linux kernel 3. Linux device drivers 4. There are more but these 3 are enough for beginning. Once done, you would be interested in particular sub-system, then try to explore that sub-system more by code reading, making small changes not necessarily bug-fixes, validate your code understanding through those changes. Enjoy learning! - Rohan ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 13:42:58 -0400, Nick Krause said: I have sent out just ten bad patches and the developers seem very annoyed with me and Let's face it - if you've sent ten bad patches in a row without getting one right, you're doing something wrong. And although total noob coders scale very well (there seems to be a never-ending supply of them), maintainers don't scale well at all - and they have a *huge* workload to review a lot of patches every release cycle. I can't think of a single maintainer that isn't willing to provide advice. I also can't think of a single maintainer who *doesn't* get torqued off massively when V2 of a patch, or another patch, comes in from the same person and it's obvious the advice wasn't listened to. They don't have time for that sort of foolishness. think I am trolling. If someone on this list can find a way for me to improve my relationship with them and let me continue my work here that would be great. First and foremost, when senior kernel developers give you specific advice, *listen to it*. If somebody like Ted T'so tells you that it's unacceptable to send patches that aren't compile-tested, *you should never be sending another patch that didn't compile clean*. Period. End Of Discussion. In fact, you should strive higher - don't submit a patch unless you are (a) booted onto the patched kernel, (b) verify it by checking uname -r, and (c) have done testing that your patch actually fixed the issue you were patching without breaking anything. Running around willy-nilly submitting patches all over the tree doesn't inspire confidence in your patches - especially after you've hit multiple subsystems and been told This is wrong and you obviously (a) don't understand the subsystem and (b) didn't bother figuring it out. Also, you may want to sit down for a few days, and think long and hard about *why* you're so desperate to submit kernel patches. Do you have a good reason to devote the time? Or is it just ego-stroking? (Personally, I've been around since the 2.5.47 or so kernel - and I'm only doing it because I have a Dell laptop on my desk and a quarter acre of servers across the hall, and lots of users on our campus - and every good bug report I file against linux-next means a crappy bug report from a user after the release escapes) pgp3qi1ro3f8e.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:54 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 13:42:58 -0400, Nick Krause said: I have sent out just ten bad patches and the developers seem very annoyed with me and Let's face it - if you've sent ten bad patches in a row without getting one right, you're doing something wrong. And although total noob coders scale very well (there seems to be a never-ending supply of them), maintainers don't scale well at all - and they have a *huge* workload to review a lot of patches every release cycle. I can't think of a single maintainer that isn't willing to provide advice. I also can't think of a single maintainer who *doesn't* get torqued off massively when V2 of a patch, or another patch, comes in from the same person and it's obvious the advice wasn't listened to. They don't have time for that sort of foolishness. think I am trolling. If someone on this list can find a way for me to improve my relationship with them and let me continue my work here that would be great. First and foremost, when senior kernel developers give you specific advice, *listen to it*. If somebody like Ted T'so tells you that it's unacceptable to send patches that aren't compile-tested, *you should never be sending another patch that didn't compile clean*. Period. End Of Discussion. In fact, you should strive higher - don't submit a patch unless you are (a) booted onto the patched kernel, (b) verify it by checking uname -r, and (c) have done testing that your patch actually fixed the issue you were patching without breaking anything. Running around willy-nilly submitting patches all over the tree doesn't inspire confidence in your patches - especially after you've hit multiple subsystems and been told This is wrong and you obviously (a) don't understand the subsystem and (b) didn't bother figuring it out. Also, you may want to sit down for a few days, and think long and hard about *why* you're so desperate to submit kernel patches. Do you have a good reason to devote the time? Or is it just ego-stroking? (Personally, I've been around since the 2.5.47 or so kernel - and I'm only doing it because I have a Dell laptop on my desk and a quarter acre of servers across the hall, and lots of users on our campus - and every good bug report I file against linux-next means a crappy bug report from a user after the release escapes) I want to help and improve the code plus get a code doing kernel development. I understand now and am not going to waste time anymore, I am going to make sure all my patches are tested correctly and to the best of my ability first. Regards NIck ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2014, Nick Krause wrote: I want to help and improve the code plus get a code [sic] doing kernel development. *sigh* ... assuming you mean you want a *job* doing kernel development, you may have already screwed yourself royally. it's obvious you want to get *some* kind of patches into the kernel, just so you can say, see? i patched the linux kernel! what you clearly don't understand is the unintended consequences of your scattershot patching attempts. while prospective employers will certainly want to know what you've contributed to the kernel, they will also simply google on your name with respect to the kernel, and *that*, my boy, is where you are quite simply f**ked. i googled on the words nick krause linux kernel (which is what any minimally competent employer would do), and on the very first page of results was this: http://www.themukt.com/2014/08/04/someone-trolling-linux-kernel-mailing-lists-really-hard/ what that page tells prospective employers is that you are in over your head, you don't listen to advice, and you have very bad work habits. regardless of whatever you do from now on, given your online reputation that any employer will certainly find, you may have already made yourself unemployable. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick Get married and take your wife's name! Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot. More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it. You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer greg.freem...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause xerofo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick Get married and take your wife's name! Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot. More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it. You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
