Re: What is the best distro for starting linux kernel development?
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Naman Shekhar Mishra mishra123.na...@gmail.com wrote: Hi mentors, I have been studying the Linux kernel for some time and now I am going to try and get my hands hands dirty with the kernel. Can you please tell me what is the best distro for this? I have experience with Gentoo and LFS but If you're comfortable with Gentoo then I guess you're ready for kernel development! :P (kidding!) The reason I say this is because I heard (I've not used Gentoo personally) that you get to build/install all packages from scratch before using them! :) You can also have a look at the popular ones like Ubuntu, Fedora or Mint (dunno much about Mint though). They come with good package managers and that makes installing stuff easy. So whether you want to install eg binutils or a new browser or even the kernel sources, the package manager will help you get all the stuff + it's dependencies. HTH, -mandeep would they be good if I just want to get involved in kernel development (and not the maintenance overhead that comes with these distros)? It would be useful for me if you could tell me the distro you use. Thanks and regards, Naman ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: What is the best distro for starting linux kernel development?
I suggest you Archlinux[1], highly updated and customizable. But it's not broke by updates day in day out. [1] https://www.archlinux.org/ 2013/11/13 Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Naman Shekhar Mishra mishra123.na...@gmail.com wrote: Hi mentors, I have been studying the Linux kernel for some time and now I am going to try and get my hands hands dirty with the kernel. Can you please tell me what is the best distro for this? I have experience with Gentoo and LFS but If you're comfortable with Gentoo then I guess you're ready for kernel development! :P (kidding!) The reason I say this is because I heard (I've not used Gentoo personally) that you get to build/install all packages from scratch before using them! :) You can also have a look at the popular ones like Ubuntu, Fedora or Mint (dunno much about Mint though). They come with good package managers and that makes installing stuff easy. So whether you want to install eg binutils or a new browser or even the kernel sources, the package manager will help you get all the stuff + it's dependencies. HTH, -mandeep would they be good if I just want to get involved in kernel development (and not the maintenance overhead that comes with these distros)? It would be useful for me if you could tell me the distro you use. Thanks and regards, Naman ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: What is the best distro for starting linux kernel development?
2013/11/13 abrahan...@gmail.com abrahan...@gmail.com: I suggest you Archlinux[1], highly updated and customizable. But it's not broke by updates day in day out. [1] https://www.archlinux.org/ 2013/11/13 Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Naman Shekhar Mishra mishra123.na...@gmail.com wrote: Hi mentors, I have been studying the Linux kernel for some time and now I am going to try and get my hands hands dirty with the kernel. Can you please tell me what is the best distro for this? I have experience with Gentoo and LFS but If you're comfortable with Gentoo then I guess you're ready for kernel development! :P (kidding!) The reason I say this is because I heard (I've not used Gentoo personally) that you get to build/install all packages from scratch before using them! :) You can also have a look at the popular ones like Ubuntu, Fedora or Mint (dunno much about Mint though). They come with good package managers and that makes installing stuff easy. So whether you want to install eg binutils or a new browser or even the kernel sources, the package manager will help you get all the stuff + it's dependencies. HTH, -mandeep Hi, I have not tried gentoo yet. But I think that is a great distro for a deep learning. Nowadays I'm using arch and it is working very well to me. would they be good if I just want to get involved in kernel development (and not the maintenance overhead that comes with these distros)? It would be useful for me if you could tell me the distro you use. Thanks and regards, Naman ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Regards, Geyslan G. Bem hackingbits.com ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: What is the best distro for starting linux kernel development?
Hi, On 11/13/2013 11:25 AM, Mandeep Sandhu wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Naman Shekhar Mishra mishra123.na...@gmail.com wrote: Hi mentors, I have been studying the Linux kernel for some time and now I am going to try and get my hands hands dirty with the kernel. Can you please tell me what is the best distro for this? I have experience with Gentoo and LFS but If you're comfortable with Gentoo then I guess you're ready for kernel development! :P (kidding!) The reason I say this is because I heard (I've not used Gentoo personally) that you get to build/install all packages from scratch before using them! :) You can also have a look at the popular ones like Ubuntu, Fedora or Mint (dunno much about Mint though). They come with good package managers and that makes installing stuff easy. So whether you want to install eg binutils or a new browser or even the kernel sources, the package manager will help you get all the stuff + it's dependencies. Ack. Use whatever distro _YOU_ like best. The only restrictions are the minimal requirements of the kernel. You can find them in the source in Documentation/Changes They should not be a problem with any newer distro, in example for 3.12 they are: ---snip--- Current Minimal Requirements Upgrade to at *least* these software revisions before thinking you've encountered a bug! If you're unsure what version you're currently running, the suggested command should tell you. Again, keep in mind that this list assumes you are already functionally running a Linux kernel. Also, not all tools are necessary on all systems; obviously, if you don't have any ISDN hardware, for example, you probably needn't concern yourself with isdn4k-utils. o Gnu C 3.2 # gcc --version o Gnu make 3.80# make --version o binutils 2.12# ld -v o util-linux 2.10o # fdformat --version o module-init-tools 0.9.10 # depmod -V o e2fsprogs 1.41.4 # e2fsck -V o jfsutils 1.1.3 # fsck.jfs -V o reiserfsprogs 3.6.3 # reiserfsck -V o xfsprogs 2.6.0 # xfs_db -V o squashfs-tools 4.0 # mksquashfs -version o btrfs-progs0.18# btrfsck o pcmciautils004 # pccardctl -V o quota-tools3.09# quota -V o PPP2.4.0 # pppd --version o isdn4k-utils 3.1pre1 # isdnctrl 21|grep version o nfs-utils 1.0.5 # showmount --version o procps 3.2.0 # ps --version o oprofile 0.9 # oprofiled --version o udev 081 # udevd --version o grub 0.93# grub --version || grub-install --version o mcelog 0.6 # mcelog --version o iptables 1.4.2 # iptables -V ---snap--- thx, andi HTH, -mandeep would they be good if I just want to get involved in kernel development (and not the maintenance overhead that comes with these distros)? It would be useful for me if you could tell me the distro you use. Thanks and regards, Naman ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: What is the best distro for starting linux kernel development?
Kernel development may not directly be related to the Distro. The choice of distro is completely personal. If you have read kernel development books or Linux in general you would have understood the same. Some distros come ready with development tools right from onsets, for others you can use repository for downloading and installing the tool. The kernel systems and distros have become quite complicated for pretty much all major distros, so the overhead is necessarily always there. Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox use Fedora(or other redhat distros), though Alan talked about shifting to other distros due to his annoyance with Fedora. Few important distros I would consider as a developer Fedora: Pros: most development tools are installed by default and you can get all others easily. It is pretty bleeding edge when it comes to adoption of new open source technologies. Cons: It might be buggy at times, it can be difficult for newbies sometimes. Debian: Pros: very stable releases, not so many experimental features, huge number of packages, adheres closely to unix philosophy Cons: fewer new releases, can be difficult to begin with or you are used to redhat/suse based distros Arch: Pros:newer distro, very favoured by everyone, very very comprehensive user guides, good for development, does everything from the scratch, but there are pre configured configs all over the place to choose from. Cons: you should know a little bit as to what exactly are you doing, you may have to manually configure package configuration files etc. I donno if there are any bugs. -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: What is the best distro for starting linux kernel development?
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox use Fedora(or other redhat distros), though Alan talked about shifting to other distros due to his annoyance with Fedora. Nit -picking here...but Linus does not Fedora...if anything, I think, he _hates_ Fedora and Gnome (3)! :) A more informed answer on Quora: http://www.quora.com/Linux/What-Linux-distribution-does-Linus-Torvalds-use-on-his-MacBook-Air I saw a G+ post of his where he was very pleased with the Samsung pixel running ChromeOS. Though that was not for development purpose (only reading stuff). -mandeep ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: What is the best distro for starting linux kernel development?
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox use Fedora(or other redhat distros), though Alan talked about shifting to other distros due to his annoyance with Fedora. Nit -picking here...but Linus does not Fedora...if anything, I think, he _hates_ Fedora and Gnome (3)! :) A more informed answer on Quora: http://www.quora.com/Linux/What-Linux-distribution-does-Linus-Torvalds-use-on-his-MacBook-Air It talks about what he uses on __Mac book air__, Here is another link which says he used Fedora 9 on a __most__ of his computers http://news.oreilly.com/2008/07/linux-torvalds-on-linux-distri.html I saw a G+ post of his where he was very pleased with the Samsung pixel running ChromeOS. Though that was not for development purpose (only reading stuff). I read that whole discussion, he never said that he __hates__ Fedora, he was expressing his dismay that the kernel was not updated with proper wireless driver which are required for him to get the driver because that machine(not sure which one) doesn't have an ethernet port. But he does hate Gnome. Also from his post, he seems to be using Fedora more often than any other distros. -mandeep -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: What is the best distro for starting linux kernel development?
Why not ask him? :-D Straight from the horse's mouth! :) -mandeep PS: Put your fire-retardant suit and fire away on LKML! :P ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: What is the best distro for starting linux kernel development?
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Geyslan Gregório Bem geys...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/11/13 Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com: Why not ask him? :-D Straight from the horse's mouth! :) -mandeep PS: Put your fire-retardant suit and fire away on LKML! :P I'm not so crazy at all. LOL! I don't think it is of much consequence anyway. Though I am very inclined to believe old timers mostly use either redhat based distros or Debian. -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: What is the best distro for starting linux kernel development?
2013/11/13 Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com wrote: Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox use Fedora(or other redhat distros), though Alan talked about shifting to other distros due to his annoyance with Fedora. Nit -picking here...but Linus does not Fedora...if anything, I think, he _hates_ Fedora and Gnome (3)! :) A more informed answer on Quora: http://www.quora.com/Linux/What-Linux-distribution-does-Linus-Torvalds-use-on-his-MacBook-Air It talks about what he uses on __Mac book air__, Here is another link which says he used Fedora 9 on a __most__ of his computers http://news.oreilly.com/2008/07/linux-torvalds-on-linux-distri.html I saw a G+ post of his where he was very pleased with the Samsung pixel running ChromeOS. Though that was not for development purpose (only reading stuff). I read that whole discussion, he never said that he __hates__ Fedora, he was expressing his dismay that the kernel was not updated with proper wireless driver which are required for him to get the driver because that machine(not sure which one) doesn't have an ethernet port. But he does hate Gnome. Also from his post, he seems to be using Fedora more often than any other distros. -mandeep Why not ask him? :-D -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Regards, Geyslan G. Bem hackingbits.com ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: What is the best distro for starting linux kernel development?
2013/11/13 Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com: Why not ask him? :-D Straight from the horse's mouth! :) -mandeep PS: Put your fire-retardant suit and fire away on LKML! :P I'm not so crazy at all. LOL! -- Regards, Geyslan G. Bem hackingbits.com ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: What is the best distro for starting linux kernel development?
2013/11/13 Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar chambilketha...@gmail.com: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Geyslan Gregório Bem geys...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/13 Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com: Why not ask him? :-D Straight from the horse's mouth! :) -mandeep PS: Put your fire-retardant suit and fire away on LKML! :P I'm not so crazy at all. LOL! I don't think it is of much consequence anyway. Though I am very inclined to believe old timers mostly use either redhat based distros or Debian. I agree. What is important is to have easy access to packages. Or not! What really matters is like the distribution. Personal taste. Period. -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz -- Regards, Geyslan G. Bem hackingbits.com ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: What is the best distro for starting linux kernel development?
Naman Shekhar Mishra wrote: Hi mentors, I have been studying the Linux kernel for some time and now I am going to try and get my hands hands dirty with the kernel. Can you please tell me what is the best distro for this? I have experience with Gentoo and LFS but would they be good if I just want to get involved in kernel development (and not the maintenance overhead that comes with these distros)? It would be useful for me if you could tell me the distro you use. Thanks and regards, Naman ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies Whatever distro you feel comfortable with will do just fine. I use Ubuntu or elementary OS. Sometimes even Debian Stable. -- Aldo Iljazi ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
