Re: [Celinux-dev] [Q] TinyLinux project status (resend)
Hello Greg, Le Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:56:23 +1000, Greg Ungerer g...@snapgear.com a écrit : I couldn't see any kernel patches linked here. Did you need any, or have you posted them somewhere else? The kernel patch is at http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/buildroot/2012-April/052585.html, hidden inside a Buildroot patch. I haven't posted it anywhere else because it's a hack to workaround a Qemu problem: the 5208 apparently has support for separate supervisor and userspace stack pointers (through two different registers), but Qemu doesn't emulate that. So I think it's a flaw in Qemu emulation rather than a kernel problem, but it was easier for now to workaround it by just adding one select COLDFIRE_SW_A7. Nice to see that it can run under QEMU! Well, as I said, it actually doesn't run very well: if I use /bin/sh as init=, then I can run *one* command, and the kernel crashes :-) So we can say it boot all the way to userspace, but userspace isn't very useful :) Regards, Thomas -- Thomas Petazzoni, Free Electrons Kernel, drivers, real-time and embedded Linux development, consulting, training and support. http://free-electrons.com ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Q] TinyLinux project status (resend)
Le Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:13:08 +1000, Greg Ungerer g...@snapgear.com a écrit : I haven't posted it anywhere else because it's a hack to workaround a Qemu problem: the 5208 apparently has support for separate supervisor and userspace stack pointers (through two different registers), but Qemu doesn't emulate that. So I think it's a flaw in Qemu emulation rather than a kernel problem, but it was easier for now to workaround it by just adding one select COLDFIRE_SW_A7. Ah, ok. I only put the dual stack pointer support in a year or 2 back. And it is only supported on the more modern ColdFire's, guess the QEMU support is for the simpler parts :-) Well, either Qemu pretends to emulate a 5208 and it should support the dual stack pointer thing, or it shouldn't pretend to emulate a 5208. Am I correct in my understanding is that the 5208 hardware does support dual stack pointers? Best regards, Thomas -- Thomas Petazzoni, Free Electrons Kernel, drivers, real-time and embedded Linux development, consulting, training and support. http://free-electrons.com ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Q] TinyLinux project status (resend)
Hello, Le Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:14:09 -0500, Rob Landley r...@landley.net a écrit : Query: is there any way to set up a nommu system with: A) stock vanilla upstream packages (kernel, uClibc, busybox) B) running under qemu I've had a todo item to add a nommu target to Aboriginal Linux but every time I do so I poke at making i386 nommu and it just doesn't seem to want to do that. (Can't imagine why...) With a few Qemu patches and kernel patches, I'm able to boot into userspace a Coldfire system under the Qemu Coldfire emulation. However, the system crashes as soon as the first userspace program exits (the kernel thinks I'm killing init, I haven't had the time to investigate this). The kernel configuration and Qemu patches have been posted at http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/buildroot/2012-April/052581.html. I have also been able to boot an ARM noMMU kernel for the AT91x40 SoC under SkyEye. This time, the userspace works fine. I haven't had the time to clean up this, and it requires patches to both the kernel and SkyEye to work properly. If you're interested, I'll give you these patches and configs when I'm done with the cleanup. Best regards, Thomas -- Thomas Petazzoni, Free Electrons Kernel, drivers, real-time and embedded Linux development, consulting, training and support. http://free-electrons.com ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Q] TinyLinux project status (resend)
Hi, Linux in under 2 megabytes of RAM, even when running from ROM, is not a realistic goal. For context: linux 0.0.1 was developed on a 4 megabyte system in 1991. Swap support was added in december of that year so it could run on a 2 megabyte system. After some research I came to the same conclusion. I guess I was on drugs when I tought that, since even a kernel compiled with almost nothing (not even BUG support) weights ~1.5 MB. It seems Linux is not aiming that low after all, however a little effort to try to un-bloat the current state of things can't hurt, right? Thanks, Ezequiel. ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Q] TinyLinux project status (resend)
Hi, 2012/4/24 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi: It seems Linux is not aiming that low after all, however a little effort to try to un-bloat the current state of things can't hurt, right? Do you know the state of uCLinux, when those options are enabled it should be better, no? Or 1.5Mb is with such options? To avoid confusion: uclinux is basically a linux distribution; it is made of a linux kernel and a filesystem. The kernel included in latest uclinux distribution file is 3.x series, and it is pretty much equally to a vanilla kernel (as compiled from git). So, when compiling for m68k (coldfire) with just the bare minimum options enabled: block layer, console drivers, romfs, I got a 1.5 MB kernel. I was shocked by the bigness of the number, but it doesn't seem to be easily reduced. And we are not even talking about dynamic footprint, or filesystem requirements! ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Q] TinyLinux project status (resend)
Yes, to my understanding ucLinux was merged into vanilla Linux during 2.6 development, but it was the options hidden under a global flag. These flags would enable remove MMU and other parts. Confirm? I tried that on a 5282 mmu-less board, so... confirmed to the best of my knowledge :) Regards, Ezequiel. ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: TinyLinux project status
Hi Peter, 2012/4/10 Peter Teoh htmldevelo...@gmail.com: http://www.chibios.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=chibios:documents:requirements This is 2KiB RAM for recommended configuration. It is not Linux, but is based on RTOS. Chibios looks interesting, thanks... 2012/4/11 Peter Teoh htmldevelo...@gmail.com minimum specs is available within the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Core_Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_Small_Linux These are distros, and they need *way* more than I'm willing to give :) on the distro side I'm targetting at uClinux. For the moment, I've just received a nommu coldfire board with 16 MB so I have a platform to try to build a tiny kernel (of course, I could do it anywhere, but it's more fun this way :) Thanks, Ezequiel. ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
TinyLinux project status
Hello, I would like to know what is the current status of the tiny linux project? (The current goals, status and activeness). I've found this: http://elinux.org/Linux_Tiny but it seems a bit outdated. Also, I would like to know what's the smaller kernel (static and dynamic memory footprint) that can be achieved right now (without losing signicant funcionality). Is it possible to run linux a 1 MB SRAM board (no DRAM) ? (I am thinking at a ARM7 LPC2294 header board). Thanks a lot, Ezequiel. ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: TinyLinux project status
Quoting Ezequiel García elezegar...@gmail.com: Hello, I would like to know what is the current status of the tiny linux project? (The current goals, status and activeness). I've found this: http://elinux.org/Linux_Tiny but it seems a bit outdated. Also, I would like to know what's the smaller kernel (static and dynamic memory footprint) that can be achieved right now (without losing signicant funcionality). Is it possible to run linux a 1 MB SRAM board (no DRAM) ? (I am thinking at a ARM7 LPC2294 header board). Thanks a lot, Ezequiel. you might find what you're looking for at distrowatch.org d ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- It is told that such are the aerodynamics and wing loading of the bumblebee that, in principle, it cannot fly...if all this be true...life among bumblebees must bear a remarkable resemblance to life in the United States. -- John Kenneth Galbraith, in American Capitalism: The Concept of Countervailing Power ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: TinyLinux project status
Hi Ezequiel, 2012/4/10 Ezequiel García elezegar...@gmail.com: Hello, I would like to know what is the current status of the tiny linux project? (The current goals, status and activeness). I've found this: http://elinux.org/Linux_Tiny but it seems a bit outdated. Also, I would like to know what's the smaller kernel (static and dynamic memory footprint) that can be achieved right now (without losing signicant funcionality). Is it possible to run linux a 1 MB SRAM board (no DRAM) ? (I am thinking at a ARM7 LPC2294 header board). I'm going to hazard a guess and say no. I remember working with the 2.4.x kernel and being able to get it to run on a board with 4 MB of RAM, and we were fairly tight. You have to keep in mind that your 1 Mb has to store your currently running user-mode programs as well. -- Dave Hylands Shuswap, BC, Canada http://www.davehylands.com ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
[Q] TinyLinux project status (resend)
Hello, I would like to know what is the current status of the tiny linux project? (The current goals, status and activeness). I've found this: http://elinux.org/Linux_Tiny but it seems a bit outdated. I'm adding Thomas to CC, cause he maintains (or used to according to elinux) a list of relevant patches. What's the status of this? Also, I would like to know what's the smallest kernel (static and dynamic memory footprint) that can be achieved right now (without losing signicant funcionality). Is it possible to run linux a 1 MB SRAM board (no DRAM) ? (I am thinking at a ARM7 LPC2294 header board). I now this might sound crazy, but perhaps with In-Place stuff and some hacks it could be possible. I've seen tests with 2 MB but not with 1 MB. Also, I've seen presentations by Matt Mackall [1] and Thomas Petazzoni [2]. but they're a few years old (ages in kernel time, right? :) Also, wich is the relevant mailing list? Not sure. Thanks a lot, Ezequiel. [1] http://ols.fedoraproject.org/OLS/Reprints-2004/Reprint-Mackall-OLS2004.pdf [2] http://www.celinux.org/elc08_presentations/linux-tiny.pdf ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: TinyLinux project status
minimum specs is available within the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Core_Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_Small_Linux 2012/4/10 Ezequiel García elezegar...@gmail.com Hello, I would like to know what is the current status of the tiny linux project? (The current goals, status and activeness). I've found this: http://elinux.org/Linux_Tiny but it seems a bit outdated. Also, I would like to know what's the smaller kernel (static and dynamic memory footprint) that can be achieved right now (without losing signicant funcionality). Is it possible to run linux a 1 MB SRAM board (no DRAM) ? (I am thinking at a ARM7 LPC2294 header board). Thanks a lot, Ezequiel. ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Regards, Peter Teoh ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Re: TinyLinux project status
http://www.chibios.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=chibios:documents:requirements This is 2KiB RAM for recommended configuration. It is not Linux, but is based on RTOS. 2012/4/11 Peter Teoh htmldevelo...@gmail.com minimum specs is available within the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Core_Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_Small_Linux 2012/4/10 Ezequiel García elezegar...@gmail.com Hello, I would like to know what is the current status of the tiny linux project? (The current goals, status and activeness). I've found this: http://elinux.org/Linux_Tiny but it seems a bit outdated. Also, I would like to know what's the smaller kernel (static and dynamic memory footprint) that can be achieved right now (without losing signicant funcionality). Is it possible to run linux a 1 MB SRAM board (no DRAM) ? (I am thinking at a ARM7 LPC2294 header board). Thanks a lot, Ezequiel. ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- Regards, Peter Teoh -- Regards, Peter Teoh ___ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
