Re: hi

[John Mahoney]

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Viral Mehta
 wrote:
> let us talk the kernel and not the culturalism..

Kernel Newbies is about culturalism, it is about the open source and
Linux culture.  This is often the first mailing listusers go w ho are
a. potential/current kernel developers(minus the big wigs) or b.
confused "Linux users" who can not yet differentiate the Linux kernel
and the user space programs running on top of the Linux operating
system.  The word newbie in the title is deceiving because a newbie to
the Linux kernel is often very advanced in computing in general.

In group "a" there are a few types of people:
1.  College students to lazy to do homework.
2.  People too lazy to sort through the forums for the answer.
3.  People who see Linux as the new cool thing and want to learn it,
but do not even know how to program yet.
4.  Kernel programmers who have been doing this for a while, but are
new to Linux and open source.
5. People who like solving kernel problems, helping others, and
learning new parts of the kernel while helping others.
 6. People promoting their personal consulting ventures and helping
others at the same time(I personally am cool with this group of people
and most of them are very professional about it)
7. etc

Remember sometimes it is obvious how to find the answer in Google if
you know the actual terms to use.

In group "b" people need to be kindly directed to the proper location
where their question may be more relevant.

> and also may be what are the ways to go forward to have footer in first mail 
> after the subscription explaining or giving some FAQ links.

The following link is very good
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html but the target
audience of this is at people who asks simple questions which Google
returns answer for in first response.  They probably will not read
this whole post it is  a bit verbose.
I think it is still worth linking to, but maybe something else a bit
less complex may be helpful also.

In closing I would just like to remind people when and why they
started using Linux.  I have been programming in Linux for 10+ years
and kernel specific for 5+ years.  I still consider myself ans "kernel
Newbie" because the kernel is so complex.  Remember everyone was a
newbie once.  I read the book "Understanding the Linux kernel" 5 times
before i even understood what it was saying.  I hope that as Linux
continues to grow in popularity it will be able to maintain that
community feeling.   This is one of my favorite mailing lists and I
have only been fully active for a year or two, but have been finding
answers here for many years by searching the archives and random
returns from Google searches..  I like this list because it is small
enough that I can read every email and most the people are a little
more friendly than many other lists.  I hope we can keep it that way
and adapt to the increasing popularity of Linux as it becomes more
mainstream.

Thanks to anyone who took the time to read my unexpectedly extended response,
John

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RE: hi

[Viral Mehta]

let us talk the kernel and not the culturalism..
and also may be what are the ways to go forward to have footer in first mail 
after the subscription explaining or giving some FAQ links.


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To: Vimal
Cc: Kernel Newbies
Subject: Re: hi

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:43, Vimal  wrote:
> This discussion might be relevant:
>
>  http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1886310

Thanks for sharing the URL :) In that matter, Indonesia (my country)
is also the same... and here, I dare to point my finger, it's due to
high competition but also high laziness among students. They go to CS
but they don't really want to study CS. So, how would that be?

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Re: hi

[Mulyadi Santosa]

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:43, Vimal  wrote:
> This discussion might be relevant:
>
>  http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1886310

Thanks for sharing the URL :) In that matter, Indonesia (my country)
is also the same... and here, I dare to point my finger, it's due to
high competition but also high laziness among students. They go to CS
but they don't really want to study CS. So, how would that be?

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Re: hi

[Vimal]

This discussion might be relevant:

  http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1886310

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Re: hi

[Mulyadi Santosa]

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 06:57, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar
 wrote:
> I am am member of this community for long enough to know this already. btw,
> i sent that very same link previously to some new user asking very generic
> question about probe.

I suggest to start simple by putting that Eric S Raymond "Asking the
question the smart way" URL in each mail footer, together with the
Kernelnewbies FAQ's url too.

And a suggestion, again in the footer, as simple as "please search it
first in the archieve" would help I think.

Other than that, we could start simply replying like the old days e.g
: RTFM, STFW. Or more economically, like Manish has said "take a deep
breath Mulyadithen press Delete".

PS: Now I know why Delete button, at least in my HP laptop, is
positioned in upper rightmost :)


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Re: hi

[Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar]

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Viral Mehta wrote:

>  On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Carlo Caione wrote:
>   >I guess as soon as someone subscribes to mailing list, s/he should be
> sent with some guidelines, which can >prevent this from happening.
> >good idea would be  if we can make a list of such dos and do-nots.
>
>
> http://kernelnewbies.org/FAQ
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>
I am am member of this community for long enough to know this already. btw,
i sent that very same link previously to some new user asking very generic
question about probe.
but my point is to send this to anyone who joins it.
Besides these FAQs are old and not updated. And there is nothing specific to
what this mailing list should actually address.
This community is generally more accommodative than most mailing list, but
sometime question are not even well thought or searched.

mail subject likes  like

"help"
"probe"
"hi"
"just testing"

are utter waste, this mailing list generate enough traffic NOW that such
topics are annoying.

Most new users never dig archives, so a lot of question are asked over and
over again.

RE: hi

[Tayade, Nilesh]

From: kernelnewbies-bou...@nl.linux.org 
[mailto:kernelnewbies-bou...@nl.linux.org] On Behalf Of Anuz Pratap 

> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Carlo Caione  wrote:

>> On Nov 18, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Viral Mehta wrote:

>>> Seems like kernelnewbies is becoming more popular than Google
>>> It looks like some "Google Query" which showed up in kernel list :D

>> +1 :)
 
> I guess as soon as someone subscribes to mailing list, s/he should be sent 
> with some guidelines, which can prevent this from happening. 
> good idea would be  if we can make a list of such dos and do-nots.  

Guess we already have the link describing the common etiquettes.
http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s3 - Partially applicable to our list as well.

Also as Mulyadi pointed out: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html.

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Re: hi

[John Mahoney]

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar
 wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Carlo Caione 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Viral Mehta wrote:
>>
>> > Seems like kernelnewbies is becoming more popular than Google
>> > It looks like some "Google Query" which showed up in kernel list :D
>>
>> +1 :)
>
>
> I guess as soon as someone subscribes to mailing list, s/he should be sent
> with some guidelines, which can prevent this from happening.
> good idea would be  if we can make a list of such dos and do-nots.


I like the idea of subscribers being sent a link to a faq/guidellines
when they join.  Yet, this question to me is just poorly worded and i
do not know what the person is even asking.

I saw it as two possible questions.
1.  If I have a usb thumb drive and I want to mount it on linux what
filesystem should I format it to?
or
2.  how do i mount usbfs?(http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x173.html)

Maybe a guideline of writing clear  and concise questions would be useful

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RE: hi

[Viral Mehta]

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Carlo Caione 
mailto:carlo.cai...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>I guess as soon as someone subscribes to mailing list, s/he should be sent 
>with some guidelines, which can >prevent this from happening.
>good idea would be  if we can make a list of such dos and do-nots.


http://kernelnewbies.org/FAQ
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


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Re: hi

[Chandrakant Kumar]

On Friday 19 November 2010 12:27 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar wrote:




On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Carlo Caione > wrote:



On Nov 18, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Viral Mehta wrote:

> Seems like kernelnewbies is becoming more popular than Google
> It looks like some "Google Query" which showed up in kernel list :D

+1 :)

I guess as soon as someone subscribes to mailing list, s/he should be 
sent with some guidelines, which can prevent this from happening.

good idea would be  if we can make a list of such dos and do-nots.


can you do my school project !

Re: hi

[Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar]

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Carlo Caione wrote:

>
> On Nov 18, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Viral Mehta wrote:
>
> > Seems like kernelnewbies is becoming more popular than Google
> > It looks like some "Google Query" which showed up in kernel list :D
>
> +1 :)
>

I guess as soon as someone subscribes to mailing list, s/he should be sent
with some guidelines, which can prevent this from happening.
good idea would be  if we can make a list of such dos and do-nots.

Re: hi

[Carlo Caione]

On Nov 18, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Viral Mehta wrote:

> Seems like kernelnewbies is becoming more popular than Google
> It looks like some "Google Query" which showed up in kernel list :D

+1 :)

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RE: hi

[Viral Mehta]

Seems like kernelnewbies is becoming more popular than Google
It looks like some "Google Query" which showed up in kernel list :D


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Behalf Of nidhi mittal hada [nidhimitta...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:16 PM
To: Robert P. J. Day
Cc: Mulyadi Santosa; navatha reddy; kernelnewbies@nl.linux.org; Manish Katiyar
Subject: Re: hi

is this usb filesystem...
http://tali.admingilde.org/linux-docbook/usb/ch07.html



On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Robert P. J. Day
 wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Mulyadi Santosa wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 13:12, navatha reddy  wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >  plz send the information about file system.its not supporting the
>> > usb file system without ext2 and ext3.
>>
>> guys, have we ever heard usb filesystem? Or is this Reddy is talking
>> about something that we need deep meditation first?
>
>  might be the deprecated USB filesystem:
>
> http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/USB_DEVICEFS.html
>
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Re: hi

[nidhi mittal hada]

is this usb filesystem...
http://tali.admingilde.org/linux-docbook/usb/ch07.html



On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Robert P. J. Day
 wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Mulyadi Santosa wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 13:12, navatha reddy  wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >  plz send the information about file system.its not supporting the
>> > usb file system without ext2 and ext3.
>>
>> guys, have we ever heard usb filesystem? Or is this Reddy is talking
>> about something that we need deep meditation first?
>
>  might be the deprecated USB filesystem:
>
> http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/USB_DEVICEFS.html
>
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Re: hi

[Mulyadi Santosa]

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 14:06, Robert P. J. Day  wrote:
> http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/USB_DEVICEFS.html

Thought so too...however, still, his original question isn't really
clear, at least to me.

Maybe Reddy needs to study this paper first:
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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Re: hi

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Mulyadi Santosa wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 13:12, navatha reddy  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >  plz send the information about file system.its not supporting the
> > usb file system without ext2 and ext3.
>
> guys, have we ever heard usb filesystem? Or is this Reddy is talking
> about something that we need deep meditation first?

  might be the deprecated USB filesystem:

http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/USB_DEVICEFS.html

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Re: hi

[Manish Katiyar]

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Mulyadi Santosa
 wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 13:12, navatha reddy  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>  plz send the information about file system.its not supporting the
>> usb file system without ext2 and ext3.
>
> guys, have we ever heard usb filesystem? Or is this Reddy is talking
> about something that we need deep meditation first?

Mulyadi,

Take a deep breath..press "Delete"


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Re: hi

[Mulyadi Santosa]

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 13:12, navatha reddy  wrote:
> Hi,
>  plz send the information about file system.its not supporting the
> usb file system without ext2 and ext3.

guys, have we ever heard usb filesystem? Or is this Reddy is talking
about something that we need deep meditation first?


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Re: hi -- i was also a newbie once--thanks list.

[cheng chen]

I guess "ALP" must mean "Advanced Linux programming".

2010/5/10 Tapas Mishra 

> >
> > 1)Bach
> > 2)ALP
>
> > 3)UTLK
> Is for Understanding The Linux Kernel
>  > 4)LDD
> Linux Device Drivers
>
> I could not get what is ALP and Bach ?
> Do you have any bookmarks pass them on here.
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Re: hi -- i was also a newbie once--thanks list.

[Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <
chambilketha...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Tapas Mishra wrote:
>
>> >
>> > 1)Bach
>> > 2)ALP
>>
>> > 3)UTLK
>> Is for Understanding The Linux Kernel
>>  > 4)LDD
>> Linux Device Drivers
>>
>> I could not get what is ALP and Bach ?
>>
> ALP: Advance linux Programming
> bach: Design of Unix OS by Maurice J  Bach
>
here is the link for ALP:

http://www.advancedlinuxprogramming.com/

> Do you have any bookmarks pass them on here.
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[पराग़]

Hi,

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Tapas Mishra  wrote:
>>
>> 1)Bach
  http://www.amazon.com/Design-UNIX-Operating-System-Maurice/dp/0132017997

>> 2)ALP
  http://www.advancedlinuxprogramming.com/

>
>> 3)UTLK
> Is for Understanding The Linux Kernel
>  > 4)LDD
> Linux Device Drivers
>
> I could not get what is ALP and Bach ?
> Do you have any bookmarks pass them on here.
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Re: hi -- i was also a newbie once--thanks list.

[Tapas Mishra]

>
> 1)Bach
> 2)ALP

> 3)UTLK
Is for Understanding The Linux Kernel
 > 4)LDD
Linux Device Drivers

I could not get what is ALP and Bach ?
Do you have any bookmarks pass them on here.

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Re: hi -- i was also a newbie once--thanks list.

[Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar]

clearing an interview: easier part.
Contributing code back to community: that is more important. And harder part
is once you get job, the priorities shuffle towards making it run, rather
than getting it done correctly or even giving back what was once taken from
community.

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:25 AM, nidhi mittal hada  wrote:

> hey all.
> those who want to know..i did nothing big magical. just asked people who
> are already working ..like many of us ask on this list only
> then followed what they said.
>
> its like one thing i learnt is ...
>
> "Better try it once then again then again before asking it once."
> as asking fetches partial may be incorrect knowledge but asking after
> rehearsing things
> will fetch you correct information.
>
> it requires persistence no doubt after when it seems no use of it .
> i did very normal things like
> studying
>
> 1)Bach
> 2)ALP
> 3)UTLK
> 4)LDD
> then i was still stuck to get a project in resume.
>
> then explore open source sourceforge community ...
> its difficult i accept totally rather it was very very difficult to get
> a single project from thousands lying there .
> but only hope was it wasnt impossible.
>
> and i got a few ...
>
> that's all is reqd for getting shortlisted.
>
> after that you are on your own .good projects just mean getting shortlisted
> ...that's it ..
> The Complete game is still left  to successfully clear interview is
> with another effort in C data structures then kernel ofcourse.
>
> that's was all.
>
> Nidhi
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Deepak Mishra wrote:
>
>> Hello Sir,
>> Just read your mail on the newbie list. Heartiest congratulations on your
>> success !!
>> I hope you can share a "guru-mantra" with me. I have always been working
>> over the web in my B.Tech career, but linux and kernel development have
>> always fascinated me. I am about to complete my engineering studies in a
>> month, but I want to have some linux project in my hand before I leave. Can
>> you please suggest me a small module ? I am interested in networking, and
>> have used pcap libraries for sniffing - I wanted to write my own network
>> driver and configure pcap to use mine. After lots of reading, I am still
>> stuck up with just a dream and no output :(
>> I would be grateful if you can help me out in achieving my aim...I hold a
>> lot of reverence for you after silently observing your posts for so many
>> days :)
>>
>> Thanks in anticipation,
>> Deepak Mishra
>> +91 9532887933
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 6:36 PM, nidhi mittal hada <
>> nidhimitta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello List
>>>
>>> This is my day to thank people on list.
>>> As i was just a web developer till date and had this desire to work in
>>> kernel like many newbies .
>>> I started with no work ex in my hand and no knowledge
>>> too ofcourse  in linux kernel field.
>>>
>>> but i started with little steps 3 yrs ago ..joined this list and a few
>>> more .
>>> asked people how to start and followed diligently what all everyone said.
>>>
>>> Got to get good projects ideas + projects to work on from this list only
>>> Today i have been able to convince a good company people
>>> that i deserve to be hired for working in this area.
>>>
>>> and Hey !! i Got Selected !!
>>>
>>> Thanks to list owner and so many people helping newbies like me .
>>> i am so thankful.
>>>
>>>
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>>> Computer Division
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>>> Mumbai
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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about drums, drugs, and hospital drips, oh no. There's more there than that,
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drugs, other the sex game, the glamour, or the fame. But a RocknRolla, oh,
he's different. Why? Because a real RocknRolla wants the fucking lot.

Re: hi -- i was also a newbie once--thanks list.

[nidhi mittal hada]

hey all.
those who want to know..i did nothing big magical. just asked people who are
already working ..like many of us ask on this list only
then followed what they said.

its like one thing i learnt is ...

"Better try it once then again then again before asking it once."
as asking fetches partial may be incorrect knowledge but asking after
rehearsing things
will fetch you correct information.

it requires persistence no doubt after when it seems no use of it .
i did very normal things like
studying

1)Bach
2)ALP
3)UTLK
4)LDD
then i was still stuck to get a project in resume.

then explore open source sourceforge community ...
its difficult i accept totally rather it was very very difficult to get
a single project from thousands lying there .
but only hope was it wasnt impossible.

and i got a few ...

that's all is reqd for getting shortlisted.

after that you are on your own .good projects just mean getting shortlisted
...that's it ..
The Complete game is still left  to successfully clear interview is with
another effort in C data structures then kernel ofcourse.

that's was all.

Nidhi





On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Deepak Mishra  wrote:

> Hello Sir,
> Just read your mail on the newbie list. Heartiest congratulations on your
> success !!
> I hope you can share a "guru-mantra" with me. I have always been working
> over the web in my B.Tech career, but linux and kernel development have
> always fascinated me. I am about to complete my engineering studies in a
> month, but I want to have some linux project in my hand before I leave. Can
> you please suggest me a small module ? I am interested in networking, and
> have used pcap libraries for sniffing - I wanted to write my own network
> driver and configure pcap to use mine. After lots of reading, I am still
> stuck up with just a dream and no output :(
> I would be grateful if you can help me out in achieving my aim...I hold a
> lot of reverence for you after silently observing your posts for so many
> days :)
>
> Thanks in anticipation,
> Deepak Mishra
> +91 9532887933
>
>
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 6:36 PM, nidhi mittal hada  > wrote:
>
>> Hello List
>>
>> This is my day to thank people on list.
>> As i was just a web developer till date and had this desire to work in
>> kernel like many newbies .
>> I started with no work ex in my hand and no knowledge
>> too ofcourse  in linux kernel field.
>>
>> but i started with little steps 3 yrs ago ..joined this list and a few
>> more .
>> asked people how to start and followed diligently what all everyone said.
>>
>> Got to get good projects ideas + projects to work on from this list only
>> Today i have been able to convince a good company people
>> that i deserve to be hired for working in this area.
>>
>> and Hey !! i Got Selected !!
>>
>> Thanks to list owner and so many people helping newbies like me .
>> i am so thankful.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks & Regards
>> Nidhi Mittal Hada
>> Scientific officer D
>> Computer Division
>> Bhabha Atomic Research Center
>> Mumbai
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: hi -- i was also a newbie once--thanks list.

[Steven Zhou]

Hi,

Congratulations!

Could you share your experience to us who are still newbies in linux kernel?
How to get to start and how to participate to in the project which should be
fit for newbies?

Thanks a lot.
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 9:06 PM, nidhi mittal hada
wrote:

> Hello List
>
> This is my day to thank people on list.
> As i was just a web developer till date and had this desire to work in
> kernel like many newbies .
> I started with no work ex in my hand and no knowledge
> too ofcourse  in linux kernel field.
>
> but i started with little steps 3 yrs ago ..joined this list and a few more
> .
> asked people how to start and followed diligently what all everyone said.
>
> Got to get good projects ideas + projects to work on from this list only
> Today i have been able to convince a good company people
> that i deserve to be hired for working in this area.
>
> and Hey !! i Got Selected !!
>
> Thanks to list owner and so many people helping newbies like me .
> i am so thankful.
>
>
> --
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> Nidhi Mittal Hada
> Scientific officer D
> Computer Division
> Bhabha Atomic Research Center
> Mumbai
>
>
>


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Re: Hi all......

[Radhesh Kamath]

Understanding the Linux Kernel, 3rd edition by Bovet and Cesati.

Worth buying.

Regards,
Radhesh

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 11:42 PM, vasant j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi i am kernel newbie ,kindly suggest me any linux pdf or book to start
> up.
>
> Regards,
> vasant
>

Re: Hi all

[taha siddiqi]

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:58 AM, shreeram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi
>
> Iam a kernel newbie. Please suggest me a book for making modules
>
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To begin with
www.*tldp.org*/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/lkmpg.pdf

and then of course Linux Device Drivers 3rd edition *
http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/*

regards
taha

Re: Hi all......

[P.Arun]

Hi vasanth,
 Please check out,
  linux kernel in a nutshell
 linux device drivers third edition 
Both pdf books are available free in net.Try google. 

ARUN

vasant j wrote:

  Hi i am kernel newbie ,kindly suggest me any linux pdf or book
to start up.
   
  Regards,
  vasant
  




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Re: Hi all......

[sahlot arvind]

just to add -
Linux Kernel development by Robert Love would be the best i guess.

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:41 AM, ANOOP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:12 AM, vasant j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi i am kernel newbie ,kindly suggest me any linux pdf or book to start
> > up.
>
> You can start with the book Linux Kernel in a 
> Nutshellby Greg Kroah-Hartman. You can also start 
> reading Linux
> Device Drivers .
>
> Thanks,
> Anoop
> >
> > Regards,
> > vasant
>
>

Re: Hi all......

[ANOOP]

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:12 AM, vasant j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi i am kernel newbie ,kindly suggest me any linux pdf or book to start
> up.

You can start with the book Linux Kernel in a
Nutshellby Greg Kroah-Hartman. You can also
start reading Linux
Device Drivers .

Thanks,
Anoop
>
> Regards,
> vasant

Re: Hi all Reply plssssss

[Kyle Spaans]

Definitely Beowulf clustering. It requires a lot of networking optimization.

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Re: Hi all reply plzzzz.....

[Bob Beers]

On Jan 23, 2008 12:45 AM, Gaurav Aggarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is still possible to disable all interrupts locally with
> local_save_flags() or local_irq_disable(). A single interrupt can be
> disabled globally with disable_irq()

Could you expand on that?  Which command is preferred in which situations?
SMP/UP make any difference?

Thanks.

-Bob

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RE: Hi all reply plzzzz.....

[Gaurav Aggarwal]

In the 2.6 kernel, it is no longer possible to globally disable
interrupts. In particular, the cli(), sti(), save_flags(), and
restore_flags() functions are no longer available. Disabling interrupts
across all processors in the system is simply no longer done.

It is still possible to disable all interrupts locally with
local_save_flags() or local_irq_disable(). A single interrupt can be
disabled globally with disable_irq()

 

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Subject: Hi all reply pl.

 

Hi,

 

  How can we disable all interrupts in Linux.(any command
for that!).

 

Thank you,

vasant.

Re: Hi all....reply pls !!

[Erik Mouw]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 05:34:29PM +0530, vasant j wrote:
> Hi ,
> 
>   I want to use ioremap returned pointer as
> globalin the driver..how can i do it
> 
> 
> ex:-
> 
>   int *ptr;
> 
>   ptr=ioremap(args..);
> 
>   This  'ptr' i want to access as global.how?

Start reading the scriptures of our great prophets Kernighan and
Ritchie[1], they will enlighten you.

Other than that, a global variable is usually a bad idea, what if your
driver has to drive more than one card? You can't share the pointer
between those cards.


Erik

[1] Brian W. Kernighan and Dennis M. Ritchie, "The C programming
  language, second edition", Prentice Hall, 1988.

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RE: HI all... reply pls

[Saumendra Dash]

Hi ,

>  thanx for the reply.I want to use
>ioremap returned pointer as globalin the driver..how can i do it

 You need to define a pointer for the base address returned by ioremap() in 
your golbal device structure. You can refer some other PCI device driver in the 
kernel tree for this.


>>>  I am writing device drivers for PCI card.I want write
>>>my own Read and Write function calls in Driver module..
>>>I am using "ioremap" function which return a pointeri want to use
>>>this pointer in my own read and write functionalitieskindly reply
>>>to this as soon as possible.
>>>
>>>If it's a PCI controler for some board then you need to find the address 
>>>range of config and IO/Memory space region of the device. From the board 
>>>data sheat you can easily make out the different address and the length of 
>>>each regions.
>>> Then you can fing the base address of your device for each region(config, 
>>> IO/Mem) using  ioremap(). You can use this base address to access the 
>>> registers in different regions.
>>>
>>> If it's a PCI based card such as serial/eth, then you need to probe for 
>>> your device based on the devid and venid using
>>>pci_find_device()/ pci_find_slot() based on your requirement. Then find the 
>>>base address of your device using ioremap()
>>>(the address where your device is mapped can be found fron the data sheet). 
>>>Now you can access the registers for your device.

Thanks,
Saumendra

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RE: HI all... reply pls

[Saumendra Dash]

Hi vasant,

>  I am writing device drivers for PCI card.I want write
>my own Read and Write function calls in Driver module..
>I am using "ioremap" function which return a pointeri want to use
>this pointer in my own read and write functionalitieskindly reply
>to this as soon as possible.

If it's a PCI controler for some board then you need to find the address range 
of config and IO/Memory space region of the device. From the board data sheat 
you can easily make out the different address and the length of each regions. 
 Then you can fing the base address of your device for each region(config, 
IO/Mem) using  ioremap(). You can use this base address to access the registers 
in different regions.

 If it's a PCI based card such as serial/eth, then you need to probe for your 
device based on the devid and venid using pci_find_device()/ pci_find_slot() 
based on your requirement. Then find the base address of your device using 
ioremap()(the address where your device is mapped can be found fron the data 
sheet). Now you can access the registers for your device. 

Hope this will help.

Thanks,
Saumendra

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RE: HI all... reply pls

[Saumendra Dash]

Hi vasant,

>  I am writing device drivers for PCI card.I want write
>my own Read and Write function calls in Driver module..
>I am using "ioremap" function which return a pointeri want to use
>this pointer in my own read and write functionalitieskindly reply
>to this as soon as possible.

If it's a PCI controler for some board then you need to find the address range 
of config and IO/Memory space region of the device. From the board data sheat 
you can easily make out the different address and the length of each regions. 
 Then you can fing the base address of your device for each region(config, 
IO/Mem) using  ioremap(). You can use this base address to access the registers 
in different regions.

 If it's a PCI based card such as serial/eth, then you need to probe for your 
device based on the devid and venid using pci_find_device()/ pci_find_slot() 
based on your requirement. Then find the base address of your device using 
ioremap()(the address where your device is mapped can be found fron the data 
sheet). Now you can access the registers for your device. 

Hope this will help.

Thanks,
Saumendra


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Re: Hi Start_kernel

[Yogesh Tillu]

On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 19:11 +0100, Erik Mouw wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 08:03:17AM -0600, Linto Poulose E wrote:
> > What is the differnce between printf and printk
> 
> Easy: printf() is for userspace, printk() is for kernel space.
just addition : printk have priority levels also[which is not present
for printf],like 
KERN_ALERT,KERN_INFO etc.
> 
> 
> Erik
> 
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Re: Hi Start_kernel

[sahlot arvind]

printf is a libarary function, while printk is implemented in kernel itself
since kernel doesnt use library functions.
printf displays on STD output, while printk logs the messages and kernel log
demon displays that content on the screen.
Apart from this, you can also pass the priority of the message to printk.

Hope it helps


On 11/15/07, Erik Mouw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 08:03:17AM -0600, Linto Poulose E wrote:
> > What is the differnce between printf and printk
>
> Easy: printf() is for userspace, printk() is for kernel space.
>
>
> Erik
>
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Re: Hi Start_kernel

[Erik Mouw]

On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 08:03:17AM -0600, Linto Poulose E wrote:
> What is the differnce between printf and printk

Easy: printf() is for userspace, printk() is for kernel space.


Erik

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Re: Hi

[Aleksandr Tserepov-Savolainen]

Hi, Sachin!

Well, basically, you don't really need to do any extra hand work, if
the code is already following the standards of Linux Kernel Modules.
(Sorry, for my English, just dunno how to explain that the code should
represent the module).
To add the module to the running kernel, you need to use insmod. Also,
it is possible to use modprobe.
I would suggest you reading this HOWTO: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Module-HOWTO/

Especially this part:
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Module-HOWTO/x197.html#INTELLIGENT
which is about loading modules to the running kernel with modprobe.

BR,
Alex.

On 9/19/07, Sachin Gaikwad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have built my kernel from source, installed and booted in it.
>
> Now I have written a small module. Can I insert this module into the
> runningn kernel ?
>
> Is there anything which I should take care of while compiling this
> module, as we have to insert it into the running kernel ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Sachin
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Re: Hi

[Muhammad Tayseer Alquoatli]

On 9/19/07, Sachin Gaikwad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have built my kernel from source, installed and booted in it.
>
> Now I have written a small module. Can I insert this module into the
> runningn kernel ?


after compiling and installing your module you can insert it by:
modprobe your_mod_name
or
insmod your_mod_name


Is there anything which I should take care of while compiling this
> module, as we have to insert it into the running kernel ?


here you can find what you want:
http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/kbuild/


Thanks in advance,
> Sachin
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