Re: [Kicad-developers] Gerber output units?
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 05:38:26 +0200, Chris Pavlina wrote: pcbnew used to be able to plot Gerbers in imperial units. What happened to that? Some (particularly older and non-Asian) board houses still expect those... Is there any reason they were removed, or did they just fall out? And can they be put back in? Since the new plotting infrastructure the gerber plotter already supported both units; the IN was simply the compatibility default and it only needed an UI option to be bound. If someone changed the default without adding a radio button or something then blame to him:P AFAIK there would be no technical reason to not do inch plotting... -- Lorenzo Marcantonio Logos Srl ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Skip redundant repetition of component name in component chooser
Hi, This is just to let you know that this has been merged. Sorry for it taking so long. Regards, Carl On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Wayne Stambaugh stambau...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed! In fact my couple of beer suggestion is sounding like a pretty good idea right about now. :) On 6/26/2015 3:11 PM, Adam Wolf wrote: Not only does no good deed go unpunished, every change breaks someone's workflow :) https://xkcd.com/1172/ Adam Wolf Cofounder and Engineer WL On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Wayne Stambaugh stambau...@gmail.com mailto:stambau...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/26/2015 2:59 PM, Vesa Solonen wrote: 26/06/15, 21:54, Adam Wolf kirjoitti: I think it is unfortunate that a request to the library maintainers requested by Wayne is responded to with a one line dismissal of: You know my opinion and it is immutable. Sorry. Adam Wolf Cofounder and Engineer WL On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Henner Zeller h.zel...@acm.org mailto:h.zel...@acm.org mailto:h.zel...@acm.org mailto:h.zel...@acm.org wrote: ... Looks like library maintainers don't like it; see thread here: https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-library/pull/231 -h Give it two days to sink in. Friday evenings may not be the best time either... ;) -Vesa Two days and a couple of beers. :) I'm going to avoid a pissing contest at this juncture in order to focus on the stable release. I understand where Kerusey's frustration is coming from. No one wants to see their efforts removed from the project but his response is not in the best interest of the project even if he is correct. Henner, could you rework your patch to include a checkbox to hide the redundant description field information in your component search dialog. Please make the default setting disabled so no one has a stroke. No good deed goes unpunished. Sig! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Skip redundant repetition of component name in component chooser
On 4 August 2015 at 07:28, Carl Poirier carl.poirie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is just to let you know that this has been merged. Sorry for it taking so long. Thanks for merging my library cleanup patch! This way, we don't need the (more hacky) workaround in the KiCAD application to 'manually' remove the prefices there. -h Regards, Carl On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Wayne Stambaugh stambau...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed! In fact my couple of beer suggestion is sounding like a pretty good idea right about now. :) On 6/26/2015 3:11 PM, Adam Wolf wrote: Not only does no good deed go unpunished, every change breaks someone's workflow :) https://xkcd.com/1172/ Adam Wolf Cofounder and Engineer WL On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Wayne Stambaugh stambau...@gmail.com mailto:stambau...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/26/2015 2:59 PM, Vesa Solonen wrote: 26/06/15, 21:54, Adam Wolf kirjoitti: I think it is unfortunate that a request to the library maintainers requested by Wayne is responded to with a one line dismissal of: You know my opinion and it is immutable. Sorry. Adam Wolf Cofounder and Engineer WL On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Henner Zeller h.zel...@acm.org mailto:h.zel...@acm.org mailto:h.zel...@acm.org mailto:h.zel...@acm.org wrote: ... Looks like library maintainers don't like it; see thread here: https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-library/pull/231 -h Give it two days to sink in. Friday evenings may not be the best time either... ;) -Vesa Two days and a couple of beers. :) I'm going to avoid a pissing contest at this juncture in order to focus on the stable release. I understand where Kerusey's frustration is coming from. No one wants to see their efforts removed from the project but his response is not in the best interest of the project even if he is correct. Henner, could you rework your patch to include a checkbox to hide the redundant description field information in your component search dialog. Please make the default setting disabled so no one has a stroke. No good deed goes unpunished. Sig! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Kicad-developers] Thanks to whoever done this :D
Le 02/08/2015 11:40, yann jautard a écrit : Le 30/07/2015 15:10, Wayne Stambaugh a écrit : If you or anyone else happens to find any other dialogs without a default button, please report them as soon as possible so they can be fixed for the stable release. pcbnew change footprint window. I also noticed closing this window with the windowmanager close button instead of this window's close button closes also the parent window (edit footprint) Well in fact even the close button closes the parent window. Changes made in the footprint properties window before opening the change footprint window are not saved when both windows are dismissed by close button in the change footprint window. Escape key works but also close the footprint properties window as well. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable release update.
I'd like this https://github.com/KiCad/TO_SOT_Packages_SMD.pretty/issues/1 to be merged. In a few words, it consists of merging some libraries dating back from pre-github era into two cleaner ones: TO_SOT_Packages_SMD.pretty and TO_SOT_Packages_THT.pretty. Possibly also renaming the _ThroughHole suffix to _THT for the other libraries. Hi, This is just to let you guys know that this has been merged. The repositories to be deleted will be kept a while although they are marked as deprecated. You should see no issue if you wait to update your kicad-library and fp-lib-table. Regards, Carl On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Wayne Stambaugh stambau...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/20/2015 4:21 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote: On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 09:14:14PM +0100, David J S Briscoe wrote: [snip] I'm afraid I will screw up the files on Github so probably better for me to do it the old fashioned way. Who can I send the edited files to? If you do this, someone will have to convert them back to AsciiDoc *by hand*. The AsciiDoc is the original source now. You'll have to learn git. -- Chris The official documentation is now https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-doc. Please do not make any changes to the legacy .odt documentation on launchpad as it will surely get lost. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Kicad-developers] PATCH: improve library install script a little
Hi, Some small changes for the library-repos-install.sh script. https://github.com/hzeller/kicad/compare/master...hzeller:script-no-grep-dependency.diff Suggested commit message: o library install script improvements - Make WORKING_TREES configurable with environment variable to simplify external install scripts. - Don't use grep but native sed functionality to find relevant lines in github JSON (grep can create trouble if there is a global --color=always setting) (guess how I found out about the color setting haha). -h ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Kicad-developers] Export to Solidworks
Hello group, I have been trying to export a 3D model of a populated PCB to Solidworks and after a few days I want to ask you for help. I've generated VRML files for each component and did an export in VRML which I can open and see in FreeCAD correctly. I need to interface with Mechanical Engineer that has their own Solidworks model for the enclosure. He has been able to open the populated PCB on Freecad as well. (To achieve this I had to use a text editor and modify all the url entries on WRL file with an absolute path on his system containing shapes3D folder, at least freecad does not seem to work with relative path) What he was able to achieve so far is opening the empty PCB in solidworks and load each individual component and placing manually on the board. Is there any other way or tips you can provide? I've read about IDF and I may go that route with the next design if it means easier interfacing with Solidworks. Thanks ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Kicad-developers] Export to Solidworks
There are a number of options: 1. Recently Maurice wrote a script which uses FreeCAD to create a STEP modelusing the bare board IDF file and other data in the .kicad_pcb file: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~easyw/kicad-stepup/trunk/files No doubt there are still some issues but this is currently the best method for exporting a detailed mechanical model. 2. IDF: If you do nothing and simply opt to export the board then you only get a bare board - this step is necessary anyway if you use Maurice's script to create a STEP model. If you wish for a more detailed IDF model you will need to spend some time creating the associated component outline files. The official IDF documentation is here: https://github.com/ciampix/kicad-doc/tree/master/src/IDF_Exporter but if you can't generate the documentation and want a PDF version the original (more inaccurate) version is here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By_XTJN-s8aXbkM5UTE0Zm5SN28 Now for Solidworks to process an IDF file you need CircuitWorks which is only provided with Solidworks Premium - bummer. Fortunately you can now convert IDF to IGES (which any MCAD can understand) using the 'idf2igs' tool in the IGES library which is in development: https://github.com/cbernardo/libIGES There are also online tools to help such as: https://www.ecad.io That site provides all the functionality of CircuitWorks - you can substitute real models for the simplistic IDF outlines. However, if the simple IDF outlines are fine for your mechanical work then the libIGES tool is a completely free solution. Expect more MCAD exchange features in the future, though the wait may be a little long due to limited resources. My libIGES already has the capability to create models of the bare PCB and to add other existing IGES models to the mechanical assembly and I plan to add an IGES export to KiCad some time after the pending stable release. Unfortunately I also need to do some major work on the KiCad code base before I add this code so it could be another 6 months or more before you see that feature in KiCad. There have also been discussions on adding a STEP export facility using the OpenCascade libraries, but this is also dependent on those code changes which I need to make to KiCad. So for now, Maurice's scripts are really the best option for creating a detailed mechanical model. - Cirilo On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Jose A. Saumell saumell.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hello group, I have been trying to export a 3D model of a populated PCB to Solidworks and after a few days I want to ask you for help. I've generated VRML files for each component and did an export in VRML which I can open and see in FreeCAD correctly. I need to interface with Mechanical Engineer that has their own Solidworks model for the enclosure. He has been able to open the populated PCB on Freecad as well. (To achieve this I had to use a text editor and modify all the url entries on WRL file with an absolute path on his system containing shapes3D folder, at least freecad does not seem to work with relative path) What he was able to achieve so far is opening the empty PCB in solidworks and load each individual component and placing manually on the board. Is there any other way or tips you can provide? I've read about IDF and I may go that route with the next design if it means easier interfacing with Solidworks. Thanks ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Skip redundant repetition of component name in component chooser
[Adding kicad-devel back; context: https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-library/pull/231 ] On 4 August 2015 at 08:41, Kerusey Karyu keruseyka...@o2.pl wrote: Henner Zeller w dniu Tue, 4 Aug 2015 07:48:54 -0700 napisał: Thanks for merging my library cleanup patch! This way, we don't need the (more hacky) workaround in the KiCAD application to 'manually' remove the prefices there. Let me speak the final words: And in this way the group got rid one of a translator, library maintainer and contributor. Every revolution destroys their children... Best Regards Kerusey Karyu I am sorry that you feel that way and I am probably not too qualified to respond here as I am just contributing a patch without knowledge of possible prior context around - I guess you didn't mean to privately send it to me, so I added the devel group back. I certainly didn't mean to create any bad feelings here, just propose a reasonable patch. My reason for this change is simple: it removes redundancy (which is always good when maintaining data). And with that, it allows to show more relevant information in the limited space in the component chooser. Several KiCAD developers felt the same way. The redundant data didn't serve any apparent purpose; in the pull request, you were vehemently against the change, but couldn't state a reason why it would be useful to keep it the way it was. Maybe everybody is blind to the actual reason, but if you don't state it, people will go with the more reasonable choice for them. I presume that you spent quite some time in the past adding these as searching used to be very tedious - which is the what you said in the pull request. And of course that means that you are attached to the work that went into it. But shouldn't we all be happy to be able to remove a workaround when the original problem (tedious searching) is fixed ? I can't comment on your decision to stop contributing, the group is probably more qualified for it. If this pull request is the trigger, then this is a sad outcome. As a user, I thank you for your tremendous contribution to the KiCAD libraries and wish that some healthy discussion can keep you on-board. Thanks, Henner. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Kicad-developers] Eeschema config keyboard mnemonics
On 8/3/2015 1:02 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote: Hi, The keyboard mnemonics (underlined letters) in the eeschema and libedit config boxes are a bit messy. There is at least one conflict (two items sharing L), and many items missing mnemonics. I could easily patch this, but I'd rather discuss: perhaps they should be removed? It is not usual to have mnemonics in large, complicated dialogs like this - they're not particularly useful there, and they are error-prone as the current state demonstrates. People forget to add them, or miss conflicts. Mnemonics are much more useful in dialogs that are used frequently like text edit dialogs, where a user might want, for example, to jump quickly to the text size field. With so many options, nobody is going to remember the mnemonics anyway (note what mnemonic means: it's a memory aid!), and it doesn't save any time when one has to squint at all the options to find the underlined letter. Of course the possibility for inconsistency goes even farther: I haven't even checked the localizations to see how they behave. Anybody else in favor of just removing them from these two dialogs? The pcbnew and modedit dialogs already do not use them, and most other GUI applications that I checked now also do not use them in their Preferences boxes. -- Chris While your logic make sense, my preference is to keep the mnemonics, fix any duplicates, and add the missing ones in any offending dialogs. I realize on some complex dialogs, it can be difficult to set unique mnemonics but that's pretty rare. There are still a lot of us old timers around who prefer our keyboards over reaching for the mouse whenever possible. I know it's passe and quaint but I'm not ready to give it up just yet :) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Kicad-developers] Gerber output units?
Le 04/08/2015 08:29, Lorenzo Marcantonio a écrit : On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 05:38:26 +0200, Chris Pavlina wrote: pcbnew used to be able to plot Gerbers in imperial units. What happened to that? Some (particularly older and non-Asian) board houses still expect those... Is there any reason they were removed, or did they just fall out? And can they be put back in? Since the new plotting infrastructure the gerber plotter already supported both units; the IN was simply the compatibility default and it only needed an UI option to be bound. If someone changed the default without adding a radio button or something then blame to him:P AFAIK there would be no technical reason to not do inch plotting... There is a technical reason to not do inch plotting. I recently explained it. Pcbnew internally uses nanometers, corresponding to 6 digits mantissa in Gerber. If we use a 6 digits mantissa and mm in Gerber, there is no rounding issue. If we convert these values to inches, I am pretty sure rounding issues will appear. For most of coordinates, a rounding issue has no matter. However, for complex polygons (copper zones) rounding coordinates can create self intersecting polygons from non intersecting polygons. Self intersecting polygons are not allowed in Gerber files (see gerber file format spec). The advice from Ucamco is (especially for this issue) is: use the max resolution for coordinates (see also the gerber file format spec). The only one reason the 5 digits mantissa option exists in Pcbnew is the fact Ucamco told me a few Gerbers tools do not accept the 6 digits. I verified some Gerber files which are OK with 6 digits mantissa create self intersecting polygons when using 5 digits from the same board. (Tests with GC-Preview) (to tell the True, the Gerber image on screen was the same) We already have a bug report about self intersecting polygons in Gerber files from Kicad. It also explains why a Gerber reader can gives warnings about that issue, and an other Gerber reader does not find any issue: it depends also on internal units of the reader. Therefore, until someone give me a *very good reason* why inches are better than mm in Gerber files, I *do not want* a inch option in Gerber plot menu ( or, if this option exists, commit an algo to avoid self intersecting polygons). -- Jean-Pierre CHARRAS ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Kicad-developers] Gerber output units?
+1 from me for adding back imperial Gerber support. There was a recent discussion regarding this in the following ticket. A small patch is included as well to add the option for imperial output into the UI. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1475730 On Aug 4, 2015 2:31 AM, Lorenzo Marcantonio l.marcanto...@logossrl.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','l.marcanto...@logossrl.com'); wrote: On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 05:38:26 +0200, Chris Pavlina wrote: pcbnew used to be able to plot Gerbers in imperial units. What happened to that? Some (particularly older and non-Asian) board houses still expect those... Is there any reason they were removed, or did they just fall out? And can they be put back in? Since the new plotting infrastructure the gerber plotter already supported both units; the IN was simply the compatibility default and it only needed an UI option to be bound. If someone changed the default without adding a radio button or something then blame to him:P AFAIK there would be no technical reason to not do inch plotting... -- Lorenzo Marcantonio Logos Srl ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net'); Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Kicad-developers] Eeschema config keyboard mnemonics
Gah, mailing list fail, sent directly to Wayne. On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 02:32:53PM -0400, Chris Pavlina wrote: Hey, I'm one of those old timers in everything but age! I navigate even my browser almost exclusively by keyboard using Vimium... The thing is, I just never found them useful in a large dialog anyway because they're so damned hard to read - they're good if you get used to them, but you're not going to get used to the assignments in a dialog you almost never use and which has so many mnemonics that it's nearly running out of letters. It's more efficient to just thwack Tab a few times. But that's okay, I'm not on the warpath to remove mnemonics or anything! I'll tidy up the mnemonics in that dialog and perhaps a few others and submit a patch soon. On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 02:28:47PM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On 8/3/2015 1:02 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote: Hi, The keyboard mnemonics (underlined letters) in the eeschema and libedit config boxes are a bit messy. There is at least one conflict (two items sharing L), and many items missing mnemonics. I could easily patch this, but I'd rather discuss: perhaps they should be removed? It is not usual to have mnemonics in large, complicated dialogs like this - they're not particularly useful there, and they are error-prone as the current state demonstrates. People forget to add them, or miss conflicts. Mnemonics are much more useful in dialogs that are used frequently like text edit dialogs, where a user might want, for example, to jump quickly to the text size field. With so many options, nobody is going to remember the mnemonics anyway (note what mnemonic means: it's a memory aid!), and it doesn't save any time when one has to squint at all the options to find the underlined letter. Of course the possibility for inconsistency goes even farther: I haven't even checked the localizations to see how they behave. Anybody else in favor of just removing them from these two dialogs? The pcbnew and modedit dialogs already do not use them, and most other GUI applications that I checked now also do not use them in their Preferences boxes. -- Chris While your logic make sense, my preference is to keep the mnemonics, fix any duplicates, and add the missing ones in any offending dialogs. I realize on some complex dialogs, it can be difficult to set unique mnemonics but that's pretty rare. There are still a lot of us old timers around who prefer our keyboards over reaching for the mouse whenever possible. I know it's passe and quaint but I'm not ready to give it up just yet :) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Skip redundant repetition of component name in component chooser
Kerusey, it's unfortunate that you feel this way. While I can understand your frustration, this emotional, and frankly, melodramatic reaction to a simple patch is exactly the sort of thing that puts off would-be new developers. Sometimes, when working on a large project, one must compromise. There are a ton of changes /I/ want to make to KiCad and its libs too, but I recognize that even if I were the Dictator of KiCad, I'd have to put up with it being not quite exactly what I want if I want to actually have users and developers. It's unfortunate to lose a library maintainer and translator, but if your attitude was such that someone wanting to remove some tags from component descriptions makes you decide it's time to leave, blaming the rest of us for not quite agreeing with you, perhaps that attitude was keeping out more than one potential new developer, maintainer and translator. It certainly puts me off. That attitude from *other* unnamed developers kept me from submitting patches for quite a long time until the grouchy dev in question finally backed off a bit and I felt my contributions were welcome. Some people just don't want to compromise on certain things. I know I don't - this is why I don't use or contribute to KiCad's official libraries. I disagree with the way they're done in many ways. So I solve this problem by maintaining my own libraries, which other people are welcome to use if they like, but which are not official and so I don't have to play nicely if they want to change things in ways I don't like. That might be a better way for you to approach library maintenance. On Aug 4, 2015 1:05 PM, Henner Zeller h.zel...@acm.org wrote: [Adding kicad-devel back; context: https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-library/pull/231 ] On 4 August 2015 at 08:41, Kerusey Karyu keruseyka...@o2.pl wrote: Henner Zeller w dniu Tue, 4 Aug 2015 07:48:54 -0700 napisał: Thanks for merging my library cleanup patch! This way, we don't need the (more hacky) workaround in the KiCAD application to 'manually' remove the prefices there. Let me speak the final words: And in this way the group got rid one of a translator, library maintainer and contributor. Every revolution destroys their children... Best Regards Kerusey Karyu I am sorry that you feel that way and I am probably not too qualified to respond here as I am just contributing a patch without knowledge of possible prior context around - I guess you didn't mean to privately send it to me, so I added the devel group back. I certainly didn't mean to create any bad feelings here, just propose a reasonable patch. My reason for this change is simple: it removes redundancy (which is always good when maintaining data). And with that, it allows to show more relevant information in the limited space in the component chooser. Several KiCAD developers felt the same way. The redundant data didn't serve any apparent purpose; in the pull request, you were vehemently against the change, but couldn't state a reason why it would be useful to keep it the way it was. Maybe everybody is blind to the actual reason, but if you don't state it, people will go with the more reasonable choice for them. I presume that you spent quite some time in the past adding these as searching used to be very tedious - which is the what you said in the pull request. And of course that means that you are attached to the work that went into it. But shouldn't we all be happy to be able to remove a workaround when the original problem (tedious searching) is fixed ? I can't comment on your decision to stop contributing, the group is probably more qualified for it. If this pull request is the trigger, then this is a sad outcome. As a user, I thank you for your tremendous contribution to the KiCAD libraries and wish that some healthy discussion can keep you on-board. Thanks, Henner. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
