Re: [Kicad-developers] Lack of CJK /Full width symbols fonts
Hi, I remember running into this quite a while ago. Can you please check if your finding is the same as this https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/issues/1959 Cheers, Oleg On Fri, 2020-10-23 at 18:14 +0800, RigoLigo RLC wrote: > Hi, > > I have just discovered that KiCad has got Chinese characters included in the > newstroke fonts, but no symbols, therefore a Chinese user must switch to > English mode to enter symbols and punctuations. > > U+3000~303F and U+FF00~FFEF are where those symbols are located. I'm > wondering if those symbols can be added to the fonts in the same way as the > Chinese characters, despite v6 is already at feature freeze (this really > annoys Chinese users though). > > Regards, > Rigo > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Kicad-developers] High speed tools
This is funny. Without being aware of Horizon (at that time), originally I was hoping to implement something like that in the net inspector. But then I had to take shortcuts... Cheers, Oleg On Wed, 2020-09-23 at 10:58 +0200, Kliment (Future Bits) wrote: > For length tuning, the nicest interface I've seen is the one in Horizon > as demonstrated at the 2019 FOSDEM talk > https://archive.fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/horizon/ at about 9 > minutes in - it's not a long way between this and the hacked net > inspector dialog you describe. > > Kliment > > On 23.09.20 10:48, Oleg Endo wrote: > > This external spreadsheet nonsense was one reason why I converted the > > net inspector dialog to be non-modal. And with filtering, grouping and > > sort-by-length it can be actually a very useful and productive tool. > > I've used my own "hacked" version on several designs already. :) > > > > Cheers, > > Oleg > > > > On Wed, 2020-09-23 at 09:45 +0200, Nick Østergaard wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > Slightly related to this discussion and for inspiration: > > > > > > https://twitter.com/azonenberg/status/1282188633118699520 > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 at 09:43, Alexander Shuklin > > > wrote: > > > > Hi Kliment, > > > > I think if these things you explained will be implemented, it will make > > > > high speed design very much easier. > > > > And the problem is much worse if you have a lot of differential pairs. > > > > When I see design and the only thing which I can do with differential > > > > pairs is to tune length or redraw, I feel stressed. > > > > Is it right that diffpairs are always treated as just single tracks > > > > now? If I want to write a script or piece of code to change diffpair > > > > width or gap, what idea should I use? > > > > I think about finding all coupled lengths of some differential pair and > > > > changing the gap on all of coupled lengths and don't touch it if it is > > > > uncoupled... Or maybe shift a bit (by gap/2 difference for each side) > > > > > > > > On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 22:23, Kliment (Future Bits) > > > > wrote: > > > > > Having just routed a board with 56 diffpairs I have an idea about > > > > > number 4: > > > > > > > > > > I think we should treat diffpairs as single traces when routing and > > > > > when > > > > > using the pns functionality to move them around. The trace should have > > > > > the thickness of 2x dpair trace width + 1x dpair trace gap, and have a > > > > > clearance of dpair clearance. It should behave as such a trace to the > > > > > pns and revert back to being a diffpair when shoving/pns manipulation > > > > > is > > > > > done. This way dragging, rerouting, and shoving diffpairs works as > > > > > expected - it maintains the diffpairness of the pair. Length > > > > > adjustment > > > > > works just as well on a single trace, and places where the pair splits > > > > > up or has a skew tune can remain locked while the trace is being > > > > > manipulated. This requires minimal change to the pns (we just feed it > > > > > different data) to work, and would dramatically improve the usability > > > > > of > > > > > diffpairs because all the lovely stuff we can do to traces now will be > > > > > available to diffpairs without breakage. We still need the diffpair > > > > > routing logic for vias and for starting/ending pairs, but we have > > > > > that now. > > > > > > > > > > On 22.09.20 21:11, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote: > > > > > > My 5 quick cents: > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) tool to visualize nets lengths (similar to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/MitjaNemec/Kicad_action_plugins#length-stats > > > > > > > ). I > > > > > > > want to make a gui where you can define what nets you want to > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > altogether. And it should show you length on each layer and > > > > > > > summary. > > > > > > > And vias as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Same stuff for length between 2 ob
Re: [Kicad-developers] High speed tools
This external spreadsheet nonsense was one reason why I converted the net inspector dialog to be non-modal. And with filtering, grouping and sort-by-length it can be actually a very useful and productive tool. I've used my own "hacked" version on several designs already. :) Cheers, Oleg On Wed, 2020-09-23 at 09:45 +0200, Nick Østergaard wrote: > Hi > > Slightly related to this discussion and for inspiration: > > https://twitter.com/azonenberg/status/1282188633118699520 > > Nick > > On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 at 09:43, Alexander Shuklin wrote: > > Hi Kliment, > > I think if these things you explained will be implemented, it will make > > high speed design very much easier. > > And the problem is much worse if you have a lot of differential pairs. When > > I see design and the only thing which I can do with differential pairs is > > to tune length or redraw, I feel stressed. > > Is it right that diffpairs are always treated as just single tracks now? If > > I want to write a script or piece of code to change diffpair width or gap, > > what idea should I use? > > I think about finding all coupled lengths of some differential pair and > > changing the gap on all of coupled lengths and don't touch it if it is > > uncoupled... Or maybe shift a bit (by gap/2 difference for each side) > > > > On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 22:23, Kliment (Future Bits) > > wrote: > > > Having just routed a board with 56 diffpairs I have an idea about number > > > 4: > > > > > > I think we should treat diffpairs as single traces when routing and when > > > using the pns functionality to move them around. The trace should have > > > the thickness of 2x dpair trace width + 1x dpair trace gap, and have a > > > clearance of dpair clearance. It should behave as such a trace to the > > > pns and revert back to being a diffpair when shoving/pns manipulation is > > > done. This way dragging, rerouting, and shoving diffpairs works as > > > expected - it maintains the diffpairness of the pair. Length adjustment > > > works just as well on a single trace, and places where the pair splits > > > up or has a skew tune can remain locked while the trace is being > > > manipulated. This requires minimal change to the pns (we just feed it > > > different data) to work, and would dramatically improve the usability of > > > diffpairs because all the lovely stuff we can do to traces now will be > > > available to diffpairs without breakage. We still need the diffpair > > > routing logic for vias and for starting/ending pairs, but we have that > > > now. > > > > > > On 22.09.20 21:11, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote: > > > > My 5 quick cents: > > > > > > > >> 1) tool to visualize nets lengths (similar to > > > >> https://github.com/MitjaNemec/Kicad_action_plugins#length-stats ). > > > >> I > > > >> want to make a gui where you can define what nets you want to see > > > >> altogether. And it should show you length on each layer and > > > >> summary. > > > >> And vias as well. > > > > > > > > 2) Same stuff for length between 2 objects (for example via and > > > > pad > > > >> for T-topology) similar to > > > >> > > > >> https://github.com/MitjaNemec/Kicad_action_plugins#pad2pad-track-distance. > > > > New DRC will take care of that (checking length between arbitrary > > > > endpoints as well as reporting constrained length traces/diff pairs). > > > > > > > > > > > >> 3) some tool to define and automatically change tracks length on > > > >> different layers (to match target impedance) > > > > Did you mean per-layer width/gap constraints? abs(Impedance) is not > > > > related (at least not so simply) to trace lengths. We already have > > > > length tuner tool, with the V6 design rule system it will be able to > > > > pick length constraints from board design rules instead of hand-typed > > > > values. > > > > > > > >> 4) Tool to work with differential pairs. > > > > We didn't plan implementing such a tool. Beware that even if it happens, > > > > applying more than cosmetic changes to the routing globally will likely > > > > ruin your board so badly you'll spend rest of the day cleaning it up... > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > > > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > > > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > ___ > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > >
Re: [Kicad-developers] High speed tools
Hi, On Tue, 2020-09-22 at 12:27 -0400, Jon Evans wrote: > Hi Alexander, > > For (1) I know Oleg Endo has been doing some work on the Net Inspector to > allow grouping nets for combined length measurement: > https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/merge_requests/187 Yeah, I think it could be useful. I think I can finish it (i.e. get it to a useful state re-implemented with wxDataViewCtrl) by end of September or 1st week October. Cheers, Oleg ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Kicad-developers] Auto-generated backup files: are they useful?
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 09:28 +0200, jp charras wrote: > > For me, backups are like a accident insurance: you need them and you hope > never use them. > > And about VCS use: > > Many good electronics guys do not even know what is it, and have never > compiled any source code. > Electronics world and Software world are not exactly the same world. This is unfortunately true. It's also true that other commercial EDA solutions are now moving towards providing built-in GIT support. It's inevitable -- the benefits are too obvious. The VCS is the backup. If not, chances are it's being used wrongly. There are also "software developers" out there who still use zip files as a backup & VCS system. And probably there are people still doing dot & tape board layout... The world is changing. Hopefully for the better :) Cheers, Oleg ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Kicad-developers] Fedora nightly builds
On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 17:31 +0200, Nick Østergaard wrote: > It is fixed now. Great! Thanks! Cheers, Oleg > > On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 12:16, Nick Østergaard wrote: > > Well, the jenkins job that prepares the copr package fails to clone the 3d > > models for some reason, maybe the repo grew massively in size recently. > > > > tir. 2. jun. 2020 04.01 skrev Oleg Endo : > > > Hi all, > > > > > > The Fedora nightly builds are already 4 days behind. > > > Did something get stuck there? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Oleg > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Kicad-developers] Fedora nightly builds
Hi all, The Fedora nightly builds are already 4 days behind. Did something get stuck there? Cheers, Oleg ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Kicad-developers] Removal of some globals
On Sun, 2020-04-05 at 20:48 +0200, jp charras wrote: > Le 05/04/2020 à 17:20, Jeff Young a écrit : > > I had to remove some globals from Eeschema that were causing problems > > (default line width, text size, wire thickness, bus thickness etc.). > > > > It was a large change (as these things always are), so let me know if you > > see anything odd. > > > > Cheers, > > Jeff. > > Hi Jeff: > a typo in function: > int LIB_CIRCLE::GetPenSize() const > is missing the return statement. > This should not even compile. On GCC there is "-Werror=return-type" for that. Any particular reason why not to use this diagnostic? Cheers, Oleg ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
