Re: [Kicad-developers] Mac OS X Performance Questions

2011-07-20 Thread Fred Cooke 
Well, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, but I'm here to test
if anyone comes up with anything! :-)

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Jacobs
 wrote:
> On 7/20/11 1:37 PM, Fred Cooke wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I tried it, but the performance was still abysmal. I find it
>> unusable. Scrolling and zooming are one frame per second and it really
>> disrupts anything that you are trying to do.
>
> The native performance on Mac OS X compared to Windows and Linux is a very
> big difference.
>
>> A friend of mine, who is a Mac lover, created this for testing, it's
>> made with "winebottler" and works acceptably. I just fired it up at the
>> same time as your custom one to compare performance with the same
>> machine load/available cpu time and it is really night and day.
>>
>> Excuse the win UI. If the download disappears, let me know, I will
>> upload it to my server instead.
>>
>> 200 meg http://sorsacode.com/KiCad.app.zip
>
> I tried it, and it is not bad at all if you want something that just works
> (That is why I still have Mac OS X noted as experimental on the kicad wiki).
> It draws tons faster then the native build (even with the X11 dependency).
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Fred.
>
> Good luck, and maybe in some time the native build will have the same
> performance as on the other platforms.
>
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Marco Serantoni
>> mailto:marco.serant...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>    Try this one http://www.mdx4.org/uploads/kicad/Kicad-20-MAY-2011.zip
>>
>>    This uses an hacked version of wx-widgets to enable the Native
>>    wxOverlay, the result is a working Kicad with some small issues but
>>    i think still usable.
>>
>>    This was possible after the fix of some problems with the UserScale
>>    ( http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/13216 ) now in the svn tree.
>>
>>    Still missing a native wxOverlay implementation under Cocoa:
>>    http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/12894
>>    (The default implemented flickers)
>>
>>    --
>>    Marco
>>
>>
>>
>>    On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Fred Cooke >    > wrote:
>>
>>        OK, back from the shops!
>>
>>        kicad_osx_v3009_STABLE
>>
>>        It was some daily build, I think. I'm sure you know where from.
>>
>>        I suspected that it was a wx issue. Can you give me a link to
>> pester
>>        the wx devs? I will happily be their tester too :-)
>>
>>        I have a project of my own and a bunch of people, at least two
>>        of whom
>>        are reading this use or want to use Kicad to design PCBs for it.
>>
>>        One of my biggest fans is a Mac fan, which is how I ended up with a
>>        Mac, he'll be happy if it works reasonably on them too.
>>
>>        Regards,
>>
>>        Fred.
>>
>>        On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Marco Serantoni
>>        mailto:marco.serant...@gmail.com>>
>>        wrote:
>>         >
>>         > On 15/lug/2011, at 15.39, Fred Cooke wrote:
>>         > Fred,
>>         > About which version you are referring to, picked from where ?
>>         > And which test you have done ?
>>         >
>>         > Cause is Know,
>>         > wx-widgets related vs XOR (un)support on OSX, workarounded
>>        with wxOverlay that is not correctly implemented under wxCoccoa
>> too.
>>         > ask to wx-developers.
>>         >
>>         > Regards,
>>         >  Marco
>>         >
>>         >> Hello All,
>>         >>
>>         >> A few weeks ago I tried KiCad on OS X and although eeschema
>>        appeared
>>         >> to work OK, pcbnew was unusably slow (0.3fps scrolling or
>>        zooming in
>>         >> 2d, 3d, which I just, tried is acceptable). I assume that
>> you're
>>         >> already aware of this, and as such I have the following
>>        questions:
>>         >>
>>         >> Is the cause known?
>>         >> If not, is it being looked for?
>>         >> If so, is it being worked on?
>>         >> If so, estimated date of completion?
>>         >>
>>         >> If my assumption about this being a known issue was wrong,
>>        can I do
>>         >> something to provide feedback more formally?
>>         >>
>>         >> Thank you for your time!
>>         >>
>>         >> Regards,
>>         >>
>>         >> Fred.
>>         >>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Mac OS X Performance Questions

2011-07-20 Thread Jerry Jacobs 

On 7/20/11 1:37 PM, Fred Cooke wrote:

Hi, I tried it, but the performance was still abysmal. I find it
unusable. Scrolling and zooming are one frame per second and it really
disrupts anything that you are trying to do.


The native performance on Mac OS X compared to Windows and Linux is a 
very big difference.



A friend of mine, who is a Mac lover, created this for testing, it's
made with "winebottler" and works acceptably. I just fired it up at the
same time as your custom one to compare performance with the same
machine load/available cpu time and it is really night and day.

Excuse the win UI. If the download disappears, let me know, I will
upload it to my server instead.

200 meg http://sorsacode.com/KiCad.app.zip


I tried it, and it is not bad at all if you want something that just 
works (That is why I still have Mac OS X noted as experimental on the 
kicad wiki). It draws tons faster then the native build (even with the 
X11 dependency).



Regards,

Fred.


Good luck, and maybe in some time the native build will have the same 
performance as on the other platforms.



On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Marco Serantoni
mailto:marco.serant...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Try this one http://www.mdx4.org/uploads/kicad/Kicad-20-MAY-2011.zip

This uses an hacked version of wx-widgets to enable the Native
wxOverlay, the result is a working Kicad with some small issues but
i think still usable.

This was possible after the fix of some problems with the UserScale
( http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/13216 ) now in the svn tree.

Still missing a native wxOverlay implementation under Cocoa:
http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/12894
(The default implemented flickers)

--
Marco



On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Fred Cooke mailto:fred.co...@gmail.com>> wrote:

OK, back from the shops!

kicad_osx_v3009_STABLE

It was some daily build, I think. I'm sure you know where from.

I suspected that it was a wx issue. Can you give me a link to pester
the wx devs? I will happily be their tester too :-)

I have a project of my own and a bunch of people, at least two
of whom
are reading this use or want to use Kicad to design PCBs for it.

One of my biggest fans is a Mac fan, which is how I ended up with a
Mac, he'll be happy if it works reasonably on them too.

Regards,

Fred.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Marco Serantoni
mailto:marco.serant...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
 >
 > On 15/lug/2011, at 15.39, Fred Cooke wrote:
 > Fred,
 > About which version you are referring to, picked from where ?
 > And which test you have done ?
 >
 > Cause is Know,
 > wx-widgets related vs XOR (un)support on OSX, workarounded
with wxOverlay that is not correctly implemented under wxCoccoa too.
 > ask to wx-developers.
 >
 > Regards,
 >  Marco
 >
 >> Hello All,
 >>
 >> A few weeks ago I tried KiCad on OS X and although eeschema
appeared
 >> to work OK, pcbnew was unusably slow (0.3fps scrolling or
zooming in
 >> 2d, 3d, which I just, tried is acceptable). I assume that you're
 >> already aware of this, and as such I have the following
questions:
 >>
 >> Is the cause known?
 >> If not, is it being looked for?
 >> If so, is it being worked on?
 >> If so, estimated date of completion?
 >>
 >> If my assumption about this being a known issue was wrong,
can I do
 >> something to provide feedback more formally?
 >>
 >> Thank you for your time!
 >>
 >> Regards,
 >>
 >> Fred.
 >>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Mac OS X Performance Questions

2011-07-20 Thread Fred Cooke 
Hi, I tried it, but the performance was still abysmal. I find it unusable.
Scrolling and zooming are one frame per second and it really disrupts
anything that you are trying to do.

A friend of mine, who is a Mac lover, created this for testing, it's made
with "winebottler" and works acceptably. I just fired it up at the same time
as your custom one to compare performance with the same machine
load/available cpu time and it is really night and day.

Excuse the win UI. If the download disappears, let me know, I will upload it
to my server instead.

200 meg http://sorsacode.com/KiCad.app.zip

Regards,

Fred.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Marco Serantoni  wrote:

> Try this one http://www.mdx4.org/uploads/kicad/Kicad-20-MAY-2011.zip
>
> This uses an hacked version of wx-widgets to enable the Native wxOverlay,
> the result is a working Kicad with some small issues but i think still
> usable.
>
> This was possible after the fix of some problems with the UserScale (
> http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/13216 ) now in the svn tree.
>
> Still missing a native wxOverlay implementation under Cocoa:
> http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/12894
> (The default implemented flickers)
>
> --
> Marco
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Fred Cooke  wrote:
>
>> OK, back from the shops!
>>
>> kicad_osx_v3009_STABLE
>>
>> It was some daily build, I think. I'm sure you know where from.
>>
>> I suspected that it was a wx issue. Can you give me a link to pester
>> the wx devs? I will happily be their tester too :-)
>>
>> I have a project of my own and a bunch of people, at least two of whom
>> are reading this use or want to use Kicad to design PCBs for it.
>>
>> One of my biggest fans is a Mac fan, which is how I ended up with a
>> Mac, he'll be happy if it works reasonably on them too.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Fred.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Marco Serantoni
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > On 15/lug/2011, at 15.39, Fred Cooke wrote:
>> > Fred,
>> > About which version you are referring to, picked from where ?
>> > And which test you have done ?
>> >
>> > Cause is Know,
>> > wx-widgets related vs XOR (un)support on OSX, workarounded with
>> wxOverlay that is not correctly implemented under wxCoccoa too.
>> > ask to wx-developers.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >  Marco
>> >
>> >> Hello All,
>> >>
>> >> A few weeks ago I tried KiCad on OS X and although eeschema appeared
>> >> to work OK, pcbnew was unusably slow (0.3fps scrolling or zooming in
>> >> 2d, 3d, which I just, tried is acceptable). I assume that you're
>> >> already aware of this, and as such I have the following questions:
>> >>
>> >> Is the cause known?
>> >> If not, is it being looked for?
>> >> If so, is it being worked on?
>> >> If so, estimated date of completion?
>> >>
>> >> If my assumption about this being a known issue was wrong, can I do
>> >> something to provide feedback more formally?
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for your time!
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Fred.
>> >>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Mac OS X Performance Questions

2011-07-20 Thread Marco Serantoni 
Try this one http://www.mdx4.org/uploads/kicad/Kicad-20-MAY-2011.zip

This uses an hacked version of wx-widgets to enable the Native wxOverlay,
the result is a working Kicad with some small issues but i think still
usable.

This was possible after the fix of some problems with the UserScale (
http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/13216 ) now in the svn tree.

Still missing a native wxOverlay implementation under Cocoa:
http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/12894
(The default implemented flickers)

--
Marco


On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Fred Cooke  wrote:

> OK, back from the shops!
>
> kicad_osx_v3009_STABLE
>
> It was some daily build, I think. I'm sure you know where from.
>
> I suspected that it was a wx issue. Can you give me a link to pester
> the wx devs? I will happily be their tester too :-)
>
> I have a project of my own and a bunch of people, at least two of whom
> are reading this use or want to use Kicad to design PCBs for it.
>
> One of my biggest fans is a Mac fan, which is how I ended up with a
> Mac, he'll be happy if it works reasonably on them too.
>
> Regards,
>
> Fred.
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Marco Serantoni
>  wrote:
> >
> > On 15/lug/2011, at 15.39, Fred Cooke wrote:
> > Fred,
> > About which version you are referring to, picked from where ?
> > And which test you have done ?
> >
> > Cause is Know,
> > wx-widgets related vs XOR (un)support on OSX, workarounded with wxOverlay
> that is not correctly implemented under wxCoccoa too.
> > ask to wx-developers.
> >
> > Regards,
> >  Marco
> >
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> A few weeks ago I tried KiCad on OS X and although eeschema appeared
> >> to work OK, pcbnew was unusably slow (0.3fps scrolling or zooming in
> >> 2d, 3d, which I just, tried is acceptable). I assume that you're
> >> already aware of this, and as such I have the following questions:
> >>
> >> Is the cause known?
> >> If not, is it being looked for?
> >> If so, is it being worked on?
> >> If so, estimated date of completion?
> >>
> >> If my assumption about this being a known issue was wrong, can I do
> >> something to provide feedback more formally?
> >>
> >> Thank you for your time!
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Fred.
> >>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Mac OS X Performance Questions

2011-07-19 Thread Fred Cooke 
OK, back from the shops!

kicad_osx_v3009_STABLE

It was some daily build, I think. I'm sure you know where from.

I suspected that it was a wx issue. Can you give me a link to pester
the wx devs? I will happily be their tester too :-)

I have a project of my own and a bunch of people, at least two of whom
are reading this use or want to use Kicad to design PCBs for it.

One of my biggest fans is a Mac fan, which is how I ended up with a
Mac, he'll be happy if it works reasonably on them too.

Regards,

Fred.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Marco Serantoni
 wrote:
>
> On 15/lug/2011, at 15.39, Fred Cooke wrote:
> Fred,
> About which version you are referring to, picked from where ?
> And which test you have done ?
>
> Cause is Know,
> wx-widgets related vs XOR (un)support on OSX, workarounded with wxOverlay 
> that is not correctly implemented under wxCoccoa too.
> ask to wx-developers.
>
> Regards,
>  Marco
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> A few weeks ago I tried KiCad on OS X and although eeschema appeared
>> to work OK, pcbnew was unusably slow (0.3fps scrolling or zooming in
>> 2d, 3d, which I just, tried is acceptable). I assume that you're
>> already aware of this, and as such I have the following questions:
>>
>> Is the cause known?
>> If not, is it being looked for?
>> If so, is it being worked on?
>> If so, estimated date of completion?
>>
>> If my assumption about this being a known issue was wrong, can I do
>> something to provide feedback more formally?
>>
>> Thank you for your time!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Fred.
>>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Mac OS X Performance Questions

2011-07-19 Thread Fred Cooke 
Marco, I'll get back to you in an hour or two about that! I promise! :-)

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Marco Serantoni
 wrote:
>
> On 15/lug/2011, at 15.39, Fred Cooke wrote:
> Fred,
> About which version you are referring to, picked from where ?
> And which test you have done ?
>
> Cause is Know,
> wx-widgets related vs XOR (un)support on OSX, workarounded with wxOverlay 
> that is not correctly implemented under wxCoccoa too.
> ask to wx-developers.
>
> Regards,
>  Marco
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> A few weeks ago I tried KiCad on OS X and although eeschema appeared
>> to work OK, pcbnew was unusably slow (0.3fps scrolling or zooming in
>> 2d, 3d, which I just, tried is acceptable). I assume that you're
>> already aware of this, and as such I have the following questions:
>>
>> Is the cause known?
>> If not, is it being looked for?
>> If so, is it being worked on?
>> If so, estimated date of completion?
>>
>> If my assumption about this being a known issue was wrong, can I do
>> something to provide feedback more formally?
>>
>> Thank you for your time!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Fred.
>>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Mac OS X Performance Questions

2011-07-19 Thread Fred Cooke 
Jerry, I'm keen to test if people are making worthwhile changes to
impact the performance issues! If you know of any version that needs
some runtime on OS X, email me, or reply to this, and I'll do what I'm
told! Thanks! OK, next message :-)

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Jerry Jacobs
 wrote:
> Hello Fred,
>
> There are not so many people (yet) which run KiCad on Mac OS X, I build it
> regular and also with latest development version of wxWidgets. The
> underlaying graphics layer is not the most efficient/fastest in kicad.
>
> The scrolling/zooming with the touchpad on the macbook zooms and scrolls at
> the same time and needs to be fixed.
>
> More testing is needed on OS X but there is only a small group of users and
> developers on this platform.
>
> Kind regards,
> Jerry
>
> On 7/15/11 3:39 PM, Fred Cooke wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> A few weeks ago I tried KiCad on OS X and although eeschema appeared
>> to work OK, pcbnew was unusably slow (0.3fps scrolling or zooming in
>> 2d, 3d, which I just, tried is acceptable). I assume that you're
>> already aware of this, and as such I have the following questions:
>>
>> Is the cause known?
>> If not, is it being looked for?
>> If so, is it being worked on?
>> If so, estimated date of completion?
>>
>> If my assumption about this being a known issue was wrong, can I do
>> something to provide feedback more formally?
>>
>> Thank you for your time!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Fred.
>>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Mac OS X Performance Questions

2011-07-19 Thread Marco Serantoni 

On 15/lug/2011, at 15.39, Fred Cooke wrote:
Fred,
About which version you are referring to, picked from where ?
And which test you have done ?

Cause is Know, 
wx-widgets related vs XOR (un)support on OSX, workarounded with wxOverlay that 
is not correctly implemented under wxCoccoa too.
ask to wx-developers.

Regards,
  Marco

> Hello All,
> 
> A few weeks ago I tried KiCad on OS X and although eeschema appeared
> to work OK, pcbnew was unusably slow (0.3fps scrolling or zooming in
> 2d, 3d, which I just, tried is acceptable). I assume that you're
> already aware of this, and as such I have the following questions:
> 
> Is the cause known?
> If not, is it being looked for?
> If so, is it being worked on?
> If so, estimated date of completion?
> 
> If my assumption about this being a known issue was wrong, can I do
> something to provide feedback more formally?
> 
> Thank you for your time!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Fred.
> 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Mac OS X Performance Questions

2011-07-18 Thread Jerry Jacobs 

Hello Fred,

There are not so many people (yet) which run KiCad on Mac OS X, I build 
it regular and also with latest development version of wxWidgets. The 
underlaying graphics layer is not the most efficient/fastest in kicad.


The scrolling/zooming with the touchpad on the macbook zooms and scrolls 
at the same time and needs to be fixed.


More testing is needed on OS X but there is only a small group of users 
and developers on this platform.


Kind regards,
Jerry

On 7/15/11 3:39 PM, Fred Cooke wrote:

Hello All,

A few weeks ago I tried KiCad on OS X and although eeschema appeared
to work OK, pcbnew was unusably slow (0.3fps scrolling or zooming in
2d, 3d, which I just, tried is acceptable). I assume that you're
already aware of this, and as such I have the following questions:

Is the cause known?
If not, is it being looked for?
If so, is it being worked on?
If so, estimated date of completion?

If my assumption about this being a known issue was wrong, can I do
something to provide feedback more formally?

Thank you for your time!

Regards,

Fred.

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[Kicad-developers] Mac OS X Performance Questions

2011-07-15 Thread Fred Cooke 
Hello All,

A few weeks ago I tried KiCad on OS X and although eeschema appeared
to work OK, pcbnew was unusably slow (0.3fps scrolling or zooming in
2d, 3d, which I just, tried is acceptable). I assume that you're
already aware of this, and as such I have the following questions:

Is the cause known?
If not, is it being looked for?
If so, is it being worked on?
If so, estimated date of completion?

If my assumption about this being a known issue was wrong, can I do
something to provide feedback more formally?

Thank you for your time!

Regards,

Fred.

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