Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2021-05-18 11:15 a.m., Carsten Schoenert wrote:

you will need to have installed libocct-data-exchange-dev which will
probably pull in other OCC related packages as an dependency.


Thanks for the info. Good to know that libocct is the library I will need to 
install when the switch is made from OCE to OCC.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Ian McInerney]

I would prefer we keep this change to 5.99/6.0 only and not force a default
change in 5.1 builds. There are enough other dependency changes going on
for future v6 that packagers/users have to handle I think it is more
reasonable to force it there.

-Ian

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 5:35 PM Eeli Kaikkonen 
wrote:

> See
> https://gitlab.com/eelik-kicad/kicad/-/wikis/How-to-build-KiCad-on-Ubuntu-(the-easy-way)
>
> The reason I started this thread was that I saw that practically all
> packages were using OCC already, so it's available.
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 6:04 PM Kevin Cozens  wrote:
> >
> > How will this affect those of us who build KiCad from source? I have
> liboce
> > packages installed which provide OCE. If you change to OCC what
> package(s)
> > will I need then? The distro I use (Linux Mint) has libocct (Open CASCADE
> > Technology) packages. Is that what I will need or will I have to find
> > another source (ie. a PPA) for the support libraries?
> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Eeli Kaikkonen]

See 
https://gitlab.com/eelik-kicad/kicad/-/wikis/How-to-build-KiCad-on-Ubuntu-(the-easy-way)

The reason I started this thread was that I saw that practically all
packages were using OCC already, so it's available.

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 6:04 PM Kevin Cozens  wrote:
>
> How will this affect those of us who build KiCad from source? I have liboce
> packages installed which provide OCE. If you change to OCC what package(s)
> will I need then? The distro I use (Linux Mint) has libocct (Open CASCADE
> Technology) packages. Is that what I will need or will I have to find
> another source (ie. a PPA) for the support libraries?
>

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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Carsten Schoenert]

Hi,

Am 18.05.21 um 17:01 schrieb Kevin Cozens:
> How will this affect those of us who build KiCad from source? I have liboce 
> packages installed which provide OCE. If you change to OCC what package(s) 
> will I need then? The distro I use (Linux Mint) has libocct (Open CASCADE 
> Technology) packages. Is that what I will need or will I have to find 
> another source (ie. a PPA) for the support libraries?

you will need to have installed libocct-data-exchange-dev which will
probably pull in other OCC related packages as an dependency.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2021-05-17 8:19 a.m., Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
How does this change affect our package devs?  I'm guessing they would have 
to make some package dependencies changes if OCC is going to be the 
default.  I would like to hear from them before we make OCC the default.


How will this affect those of us who build KiCad from source? I have liboce 
packages installed which provide OCE. If you change to OCC what package(s) 
will I need then? The distro I use (Linux Mint) has libocct (Open CASCADE 
Technology) packages. Is that what I will need or will I have to find 
another source (ie. a PPA) for the support libraries?


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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Wayne Stambaugh]

Make sure that OCE is not installed along side OCC.  I also had to add 
"-DOCC_INCLUDE_DIR=/${MINGW_PREFIX}/include/opencascade" so that 
FindOpenCASCADE.cmake could find the header files.  Everything else 
should build as normal.


On 5/18/2021 9:12 AM, Nick Østergaard wrote:

It did not work last time I tried it.

On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 14:43, Wayne Stambaugh > wrote:


I just looked and the 5.1.10 windows build is using OCE.  I thought we
switched over to OCC for msys2 builds but apparently not.  I have
switched to OCC on my windows msys2 builds.  I think we should switch
the msys2 5.1 builds to OCC because it resolves some issues.

Wayne

On 5/17/2021 3:21 PM, Seth Hillbrand wrote:
 > After reviewing the thread that Nick linked
 > (https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/issues/6198

 > >) I recall this
 > discussion more.
 >
 > I think that we should remove OCE altogether.  The existing versions
 > have bugs that we cannot fix and it is fully deprecated at the
source
 > repository (https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/releases

 > >) in that it only tags
upstream
 > releases and hasn't released any updates since 2018.
 >
 > Keeping OCE in the build tree as an option is just asking for
headaches
 > that we can avoid in v6.
 >
 > -Seth
 >
 > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 12:07 PM Steven A. Falco
mailto:stevenfa...@gmail.com>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 >     I confirm that Fedora already selects OCC in its build
scripts, both
 >     for the official 5.1 builds, and for the 5.99 nightlies.  The
 >     default can change without affecting Fedora.
 >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Nick Østergaard]

It did not work last time I tried it.

On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 14:43, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:

> I just looked and the 5.1.10 windows build is using OCE.  I thought we
> switched over to OCC for msys2 builds but apparently not.  I have
> switched to OCC on my windows msys2 builds.  I think we should switch
> the msys2 5.1 builds to OCC because it resolves some issues.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 5/17/2021 3:21 PM, Seth Hillbrand wrote:
> > After reviewing the thread that Nick linked
> > (https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/issues/6198
> > ) I recall this
> > discussion more.
> >
> > I think that we should remove OCE altogether.  The existing versions
> > have bugs that we cannot fix and it is fully deprecated at the source
> > repository (https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/releases
> > ) in that it only tags
> upstream
> > releases and hasn't released any updates since 2018.
> >
> > Keeping OCE in the build tree as an option is just asking for headaches
> > that we can avoid in v6.
> >
> > -Seth
> >
> > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 12:07 PM Steven A. Falco  > > wrote:
> >
> > I confirm that Fedora already selects OCC in its build scripts, both
> > for the official 5.1 builds, and for the 5.99 nightlies.  The
> > default can change without affecting Fedora.
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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Wayne Stambaugh]

I just looked and the 5.1.10 windows build is using OCE.  I thought we 
switched over to OCC for msys2 builds but apparently not.  I have 
switched to OCC on my windows msys2 builds.  I think we should switch 
the msys2 5.1 builds to OCC because it resolves some issues.


Wayne

On 5/17/2021 3:21 PM, Seth Hillbrand wrote:
After reviewing the thread that Nick linked 
(https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/issues/6198 
) I recall this 
discussion more.


I think that we should remove OCE altogether.  The existing versions 
have bugs that we cannot fix and it is fully deprecated at the source 
repository (https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/releases 
) in that it only tags upstream 
releases and hasn't released any updates since 2018.


Keeping OCE in the build tree as an option is just asking for headaches 
that we can avoid in v6.


-Seth

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 12:07 PM Steven A. Falco > wrote:


I confirm that Fedora already selects OCC in its build scripts, both
for the official 5.1 builds, and for the 5.99 nightlies.  The
default can change without affecting Fedora.

         Steve

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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Seth Hillbrand]

After reviewing the thread that Nick linked (
https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/issues/6198) I recall this discussion
more.

I think that we should remove OCE altogether.  The existing versions have
bugs that we cannot fix and it is fully deprecated at the source repository
(https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/releases) in that it only tags upstream
releases and hasn't released any updates since 2018.

Keeping OCE in the build tree as an option is just asking for headaches
that we can avoid in v6.

-Seth

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 12:07 PM Steven A. Falco 
wrote:

> I confirm that Fedora already selects OCC in its build scripts, both for
> the official 5.1 builds, and for the 5.99 nightlies.  The default can
> change without affecting Fedora.
>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Steven A. Falco]

I confirm that Fedora already selects OCC in its build scripts, both for the 
official 5.1 builds, and for the 5.99 nightlies.  The default can change 
without affecting Fedora.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Nick Østergaard]

IMHO we should be fine with defaulting to OCC by now. Previously there were
issues with the occ build in msys2 where kicad would not link to it
properly, but we have since started to support msvc instead and we are
using occ for those builds for master.

Also, I think we are using occ on macos now, according to a comment on
zulip:
> Michael Kavanagh: @Wayne Stambaugh macOS has been packaged with OCC for a
while now (hence my build comment on the issue)

> Michael Kavanagh:
https://gitlab.com/kicad/packaging/kicad-mac-builder/-/commit/e9d69381b957670f4447e21c07228243ca4ee3db

There was a bit back and forth going on there for macos...

Nick

On Mon, 17 May 2021 at 16:57, Eeli Kaikkonen 
wrote:

> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 5:14 PM Carsten Schoenert
>  wrote:
>
> > I'm using mostly the explicit set up of build options and do not rely on
> > used default values, so the Debian packages using OCC for more than a
> > year. And this also for backported versions.
>
> I was unsure about Debian because I didn't document my failure to
> build KiCad (with phoenix) on it. For other distros, I'm 100% sure
> about Ubuntu (and Kubuntu), Mint, Fedora, Arch and Manjaro, the latest
> release versions of those distros. Also openSUSE Tumbleweed (the
> rolling release). None of them drew OCE as a dependency for the
> available KiCad 5.99 (or 5.1 if 5.99 wasn't available) package, they
> all use OCC.
>
> This covers all of the supported distros. Also all of the distros in
> the Download page except gentoo. Flatpak seems to use explicit cmake
> flags and also dowloads and compiles the used OCC/OCE version
> explicitly, so it's not affected.
>
> > I've configured the build of the current 5.99 version for experimental
> > since a few weeks, and wxpython 4.0 is used here also like done for the
> > current stable version since a long time. Or I miss your point.
>
> I already forgot the details, but it was Buster for which I couldn't
> install the build dependencies which would make it possible to compile
> 5.99 with wxPhoenix. There was something strange about it. But that's
> offtopic.
>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Eeli Kaikkonen]

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 5:14 PM Carsten Schoenert
 wrote:

> I'm using mostly the explicit set up of build options and do not rely on
> used default values, so the Debian packages using OCC for more than a
> year. And this also for backported versions.

I was unsure about Debian because I didn't document my failure to
build KiCad (with phoenix) on it. For other distros, I'm 100% sure
about Ubuntu (and Kubuntu), Mint, Fedora, Arch and Manjaro, the latest
release versions of those distros. Also openSUSE Tumbleweed (the
rolling release). None of them drew OCE as a dependency for the
available KiCad 5.99 (or 5.1 if 5.99 wasn't available) package, they
all use OCC.

This covers all of the supported distros. Also all of the distros in
the Download page except gentoo. Flatpak seems to use explicit cmake
flags and also dowloads and compiles the used OCC/OCE version
explicitly, so it's not affected.

> I've configured the build of the current 5.99 version for experimental
> since a few weeks, and wxpython 4.0 is used here also like done for the
> current stable version since a long time. Or I miss your point.

I already forgot the details, but it was Buster for which I couldn't
install the build dependencies which would make it possible to compile
5.99 with wxPhoenix. There was something strange about it. But that's
offtopic.

Eeli Kaikkonen

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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Carsten Schoenert]

Hi,

I can just speak for Debian.

Am 17.05.21 um 14:53 schrieb Eeli Kaikkonen:
> As far as I can tell, Ubuntu and all derivatives, Fedora, openSUSE,
> Debian (if I remember correctly), Arch and Manjaro already use OCC so
> that the latest available KiCad 5.99 (and even 5.1) packages for the
> latest available distro versions use OCC. Only gentoo KiCad 5.1 seems
> to use OCE.

So far I remember correctly the KiCad project was switching to OCC
because the OCE variant was lagging behind some or more wanted features.
I'm using mostly the explicit set up of build options and do not rely on
used default values, so the Debian packages using OCC for more than a
year. And this also for backported versions.

> Changing the python flags (soon, I hope?) will have bigger
> consequences. I couldn't even find a way to compile 5.99 for Debian
> testing with phoenix.

I've configured the build of the current 5.99 version for experimental
since a few weeks, and wxpython 4.0 is used here also like done for the
current stable version since a long time. Or I miss your point.

> https://salsa.debian.org/electronics-team/KiCad/kicad/-/blob/debian/experimental/debian/rules#L39

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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Eeli Kaikkonen]

As far as I can tell, Ubuntu and all derivatives, Fedora, openSUSE,
Debian (if I remember correctly), Arch and Manjaro already use OCC so
that the latest available KiCad 5.99 (and even 5.1) packages for the
latest available distro versions use OCC. Only gentoo KiCad 5.1 seems
to use OCE. Because the flags themselves aren't changed by this, only
the default, most of the packages don't necessarily need any changes.

Changing the python flags (soon, I hope?) will have bigger
consequences. I couldn't even find a way to compile 5.99 for Debian
testing with phoenix.

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 3:19 PM Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
>
> How does this change affect our package devs?  I'm guessing they would
> have to make some package dependencies changes if OCC is going to be the
> default.  I would like to hear from them before we make OCC the default.
>
> We will also have to update the developer docs to reflect this change.
>
> Wayne

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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Wayne Stambaugh]

How does this change affect our package devs?  I'm guessing they would 
have to make some package dependencies changes if OCC is going to be the 
default.  I would like to hear from them before we make OCC the default.


We will also have to update the developer docs to reflect this change.

Wayne

On 5/16/21 7:24 PM, Seth Hillbrand wrote:
Yes, our plan has been to switch the default (if it is not already).  We 
were waiting until both MSVC and Mac builds had OCC well tested, which I 
think has happened now.


Seth

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 2:10 PM Eeli Kaikkonen > wrote:


While I was writing Linux and several distro specific build
instructions (

https://gitlab.com/eelik-kicad/kicad/-/wikis/How-to-build-KiCad-on-Linux-(the-easy-way)


, discussion in

https://forum.kicad.info/t/build-from-source-simple-instructions-to-compile-kicad-for-some-linux-distributions/28982


) I noticed that all distros I tried have OCC instead of OCE.

Should the default build flag be changed to be OCC instead of OCE?

Eeli Kaikkonen

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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Seth Hillbrand]

Yes, our plan has been to switch the default (if it is not already).  We
were waiting until both MSVC and Mac builds had OCC well tested, which I
think has happened now.

Seth

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> While I was writing Linux and several distro specific build
> instructions (
> https://gitlab.com/eelik-kicad/kicad/-/wikis/How-to-build-KiCad-on-Linux-(the-easy-way)
> , discussion in
>
> https://forum.kicad.info/t/build-from-source-simple-instructions-to-compile-kicad-for-some-linux-distributions/28982
> ) I noticed that all distros I tried have OCC instead of OCE.
>
> Should the default build flag be changed to be OCC instead of OCE?
>
> Eeli Kaikkonen
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[Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

[Eeli Kaikkonen]

While I was writing Linux and several distro specific build
instructions ( 
https://gitlab.com/eelik-kicad/kicad/-/wikis/How-to-build-KiCad-on-Linux-(the-easy-way)
, discussion in
https://forum.kicad.info/t/build-from-source-simple-instructions-to-compile-kicad-for-some-linux-distributions/28982
) I noticed that all distros I tried have OCC instead of OCE.

Should the default build flag be changed to be OCC instead of OCE?

Eeli Kaikkonen

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