Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable release 5 road map.

[Nick Østergaard]

A small paragraph ahve been added to the getting started section
describing the v5 and CERN road map.

2016-07-07 9:33 GMT+02:00 Wayne Stambaugh :
> On 7/6/2016 1:38 PM, Jon Neal wrote:
>> It took me a solid 15 minutes of searching to find the roadmap, so
>> hopefully I'll do someone a favor and provide a link
>> here: 
>> http://ci.kicad-pcb.org/job/kicad-doxygen/ws/Documentation/doxygen/html/v5_road_map.html
>
> It's probably not obvious that the road map is part of the developer
> docs.  Would one of our fearless website devs add a link to the version
> 5 road map in the developers page?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wayne
>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:07 PM Cirilo Bernardo
>> mailto:cirilo.berna...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Wayne,
>>
>>  Thanks for the heads up on where to find the roadmap; I'll have a good
>> look through it.
>>
>>  Getting an MCAD plugin before FOSDEM would be challenging. I could
>> shoehorn yet another exporter in a matter of days but a working plugin
>> system would require some thought on how to expose some of pcbnew's
>> internal data to a DLL. I have a working external tool based on OCE
>> and it works ok for exporting STEP assemblies but there's something
>> wrong with my IGES export - but that's OK since STEP is the better
>> model to use. OCE itself is happy to read IGES files and write them to
>> a STEP assembly, it's only my IGES export which doesn't work.
>>
>> - Cirilo
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Wayne Stambaugh
>> mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Funny you should ask Cirilo since your name came up about the 3D
>> model
>> plugins.  The current road map version 5 is published as part of the
>> developer documentation which is available on the KiCad
>> website.  In the
>> road map there is mention of support for exporting to STEP
>> and/or IGES.
>> Any chance that you could provide a plugin for either one of
>> these or
>> both by FOSDEM 2017?  It would be a nice feature for users to
>> directly
>> export boards and footprint models to a format that can be used
>> directly
>> by FreeCAD and less than free CAD tools for mechanical design.
>> Maybe
>> you could get some help from Mario and Maurice.  If you don't
>> think this
>> is possible, please let me know so I can update the road map.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 7/5/2016 4:07 AM, Cirilo Bernardo wrote:
>> > Is there a pre-commit version somewhere where we can see what's
>> > on the roadmap?
>> >
>> > I want to work on a PCB API so that pcbnew importers/exporters
>> > can be turned into plugins and I can add an MCAD exporter, but
>> > given my free time and the size of the job I wouldn't expect it to
>> > be ready for FOSDEM 2017.
>> >
>> > - Cirilo
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Wayne Stambaugh 
>> mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> >
>> > I spent much of yesterday discussing and finalizing the stable 
>> version 5
>> > road map with everyone here at CERN.  I will be committing the 
>> revised
>> > road map soon.  Before I do, I want to make sure no one is 
>> working on
>> > anything outside the road map that I do not know about.  If 
>> you are
>> > working on new features that are not in the version 5 road 
>> map, please
>> > inform me of what you working on and whether or not it will be 
>> ready to
>> > release by FOSDEM 2017.  If it will not be ready by then, 
>> please do not
>> > commit it to the product branch and keep your changes in you 
>> own
>> > development branch until after I create the stable release 5 
>> branch on
>> > launchpad.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Wayne
>> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable release 5 road map.

[Wayne Stambaugh]

On 7/6/2016 1:38 PM, Jon Neal wrote:
> It took me a solid 15 minutes of searching to find the roadmap, so
> hopefully I'll do someone a favor and provide a link
> here: 
> http://ci.kicad-pcb.org/job/kicad-doxygen/ws/Documentation/doxygen/html/v5_road_map.html

It's probably not obvious that the road map is part of the developer
docs.  Would one of our fearless website devs add a link to the version
5 road map in the developers page?

Thanks,

Wayne

> 
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:07 PM Cirilo Bernardo
> mailto:cirilo.berna...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Wayne,
> 
>  Thanks for the heads up on where to find the roadmap; I'll have a good
> look through it.
> 
>  Getting an MCAD plugin before FOSDEM would be challenging. I could
> shoehorn yet another exporter in a matter of days but a working plugin
> system would require some thought on how to expose some of pcbnew's
> internal data to a DLL. I have a working external tool based on OCE
> and it works ok for exporting STEP assemblies but there's something
> wrong with my IGES export - but that's OK since STEP is the better
> model to use. OCE itself is happy to read IGES files and write them to
> a STEP assembly, it's only my IGES export which doesn't work.
> 
> - Cirilo
> 
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Wayne Stambaugh
> mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Funny you should ask Cirilo since your name came up about the 3D
> model
> plugins.  The current road map version 5 is published as part of the
> developer documentation which is available on the KiCad
> website.  In the
> road map there is mention of support for exporting to STEP
> and/or IGES.
> Any chance that you could provide a plugin for either one of
> these or
> both by FOSDEM 2017?  It would be a nice feature for users to
> directly
> export boards and footprint models to a format that can be used
> directly
> by FreeCAD and less than free CAD tools for mechanical design. 
> Maybe
> you could get some help from Mario and Maurice.  If you don't
> think this
> is possible, please let me know so I can update the road map.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 7/5/2016 4:07 AM, Cirilo Bernardo wrote:
> > Is there a pre-commit version somewhere where we can see what's
> > on the roadmap?
> >
> > I want to work on a PCB API so that pcbnew importers/exporters
> > can be turned into plugins and I can add an MCAD exporter, but
> > given my free time and the size of the job I wouldn't expect it to
> > be ready for FOSDEM 2017.
> >
> > - Cirilo
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Wayne Stambaugh 
> mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > I spent much of yesterday discussing and finalizing the stable 
> version 5
> > road map with everyone here at CERN.  I will be committing the 
> revised
> > road map soon.  Before I do, I want to make sure no one is 
> working on
> > anything outside the road map that I do not know about.  If you 
> are
> > working on new features that are not in the version 5 road map, 
> please
> > inform me of what you working on and whether or not it will be 
> ready to
> > release by FOSDEM 2017.  If it will not be ready by then, 
> please do not
> > commit it to the product branch and keep your changes in you own
> > development branch until after I create the stable release 5 
> branch on
> > launchpad.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Wayne
> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable release 5 road map.

[Chris Pavlina]

Try using gaseous minutes instead of solid. They expand to fill their
container, so you really only need the one.

On Wed, Jul 06, 2016 at 05:38:41PM +, Jon Neal wrote:
> It took me a solid 15 minutes of searching to find the roadmap, so
> hopefully I'll do someone a favor and provide a link here:
> http://ci.kicad-pcb.org/job/kicad-doxygen/ws/Documentation/doxygen/html/v5_road_map.html
> 
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:07 PM Cirilo Bernardo 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Wayne,
> >
> >  Thanks for the heads up on where to find the roadmap; I'll have a good
> > look through it.
> >
> >  Getting an MCAD plugin before FOSDEM would be challenging. I could
> > shoehorn yet another exporter in a matter of days but a working plugin
> > system would require some thought on how to expose some of pcbnew's
> > internal data to a DLL. I have a working external tool based on OCE
> > and it works ok for exporting STEP assemblies but there's something
> > wrong with my IGES export - but that's OK since STEP is the better
> > model to use. OCE itself is happy to read IGES files and write them to
> > a STEP assembly, it's only my IGES export which doesn't work.
> >
> > - Cirilo
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Wayne Stambaugh 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Funny you should ask Cirilo since your name came up about the 3D model
> >> plugins.  The current road map version 5 is published as part of the
> >> developer documentation which is available on the KiCad website.  In the
> >> road map there is mention of support for exporting to STEP and/or IGES.
> >> Any chance that you could provide a plugin for either one of these or
> >> both by FOSDEM 2017?  It would be a nice feature for users to directly
> >> export boards and footprint models to a format that can be used directly
> >> by FreeCAD and less than free CAD tools for mechanical design.  Maybe
> >> you could get some help from Mario and Maurice.  If you don't think this
> >> is possible, please let me know so I can update the road map.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Wayne
> >>
> >> On 7/5/2016 4:07 AM, Cirilo Bernardo wrote:
> >> > Is there a pre-commit version somewhere where we can see what's
> >> > on the roadmap?
> >> >
> >> > I want to work on a PCB API so that pcbnew importers/exporters
> >> > can be turned into plugins and I can add an MCAD exporter, but
> >> > given my free time and the size of the job I wouldn't expect it to
> >> > be ready for FOSDEM 2017.
> >> >
> >> > - Cirilo
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Wayne Stambaugh  >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I spent much of yesterday discussing and finalizing the stable
> >> version 5
> >> > road map with everyone here at CERN.  I will be committing the
> >> revised
> >> > road map soon.  Before I do, I want to make sure no one is working
> >> on
> >> > anything outside the road map that I do not know about.  If you are
> >> > working on new features that are not in the version 5 road map,
> >> please
> >> > inform me of what you working on and whether or not it will be
> >> ready to
> >> > release by FOSDEM 2017.  If it will not be ready by then, please do
> >> not
> >> > commit it to the product branch and keep your changes in you own
> >> > development branch until after I create the stable release 5 branch
> >> on
> >> > launchpad.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > Wayne
> >> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable release 5 road map.

[Jon Neal]

It took me a solid 15 minutes of searching to find the roadmap, so
hopefully I'll do someone a favor and provide a link here:
http://ci.kicad-pcb.org/job/kicad-doxygen/ws/Documentation/doxygen/html/v5_road_map.html

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:07 PM Cirilo Bernardo 
wrote:

> Hi Wayne,
>
>  Thanks for the heads up on where to find the roadmap; I'll have a good
> look through it.
>
>  Getting an MCAD plugin before FOSDEM would be challenging. I could
> shoehorn yet another exporter in a matter of days but a working plugin
> system would require some thought on how to expose some of pcbnew's
> internal data to a DLL. I have a working external tool based on OCE
> and it works ok for exporting STEP assemblies but there's something
> wrong with my IGES export - but that's OK since STEP is the better
> model to use. OCE itself is happy to read IGES files and write them to
> a STEP assembly, it's only my IGES export which doesn't work.
>
> - Cirilo
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Wayne Stambaugh 
> wrote:
>
>> Funny you should ask Cirilo since your name came up about the 3D model
>> plugins.  The current road map version 5 is published as part of the
>> developer documentation which is available on the KiCad website.  In the
>> road map there is mention of support for exporting to STEP and/or IGES.
>> Any chance that you could provide a plugin for either one of these or
>> both by FOSDEM 2017?  It would be a nice feature for users to directly
>> export boards and footprint models to a format that can be used directly
>> by FreeCAD and less than free CAD tools for mechanical design.  Maybe
>> you could get some help from Mario and Maurice.  If you don't think this
>> is possible, please let me know so I can update the road map.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 7/5/2016 4:07 AM, Cirilo Bernardo wrote:
>> > Is there a pre-commit version somewhere where we can see what's
>> > on the roadmap?
>> >
>> > I want to work on a PCB API so that pcbnew importers/exporters
>> > can be turned into plugins and I can add an MCAD exporter, but
>> > given my free time and the size of the job I wouldn't expect it to
>> > be ready for FOSDEM 2017.
>> >
>> > - Cirilo
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Wayne Stambaugh > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > I spent much of yesterday discussing and finalizing the stable
>> version 5
>> > road map with everyone here at CERN.  I will be committing the
>> revised
>> > road map soon.  Before I do, I want to make sure no one is working
>> on
>> > anything outside the road map that I do not know about.  If you are
>> > working on new features that are not in the version 5 road map,
>> please
>> > inform me of what you working on and whether or not it will be
>> ready to
>> > release by FOSDEM 2017.  If it will not be ready by then, please do
>> not
>> > commit it to the product branch and keep your changes in you own
>> > development branch until after I create the stable release 5 branch
>> on
>> > launchpad.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Wayne
>> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable release 5 road map.

[Cirilo Bernardo]

Hi Wayne,

 Thanks for the heads up on where to find the roadmap; I'll have a good
look through it.

 Getting an MCAD plugin before FOSDEM would be challenging. I could
shoehorn yet another exporter in a matter of days but a working plugin
system would require some thought on how to expose some of pcbnew's
internal data to a DLL. I have a working external tool based on OCE
and it works ok for exporting STEP assemblies but there's something
wrong with my IGES export - but that's OK since STEP is the better
model to use. OCE itself is happy to read IGES files and write them to
a STEP assembly, it's only my IGES export which doesn't work.

- Cirilo

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Wayne Stambaugh 
wrote:

> Funny you should ask Cirilo since your name came up about the 3D model
> plugins.  The current road map version 5 is published as part of the
> developer documentation which is available on the KiCad website.  In the
> road map there is mention of support for exporting to STEP and/or IGES.
> Any chance that you could provide a plugin for either one of these or
> both by FOSDEM 2017?  It would be a nice feature for users to directly
> export boards and footprint models to a format that can be used directly
> by FreeCAD and less than free CAD tools for mechanical design.  Maybe
> you could get some help from Mario and Maurice.  If you don't think this
> is possible, please let me know so I can update the road map.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
> On 7/5/2016 4:07 AM, Cirilo Bernardo wrote:
> > Is there a pre-commit version somewhere where we can see what's
> > on the roadmap?
> >
> > I want to work on a PCB API so that pcbnew importers/exporters
> > can be turned into plugins and I can add an MCAD exporter, but
> > given my free time and the size of the job I wouldn't expect it to
> > be ready for FOSDEM 2017.
> >
> > - Cirilo
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Wayne Stambaugh  > > wrote:
> >
> > I spent much of yesterday discussing and finalizing the stable
> version 5
> > road map with everyone here at CERN.  I will be committing the
> revised
> > road map soon.  Before I do, I want to make sure no one is working on
> > anything outside the road map that I do not know about.  If you are
> > working on new features that are not in the version 5 road map,
> please
> > inform me of what you working on and whether or not it will be ready
> to
> > release by FOSDEM 2017.  If it will not be ready by then, please do
> not
> > commit it to the product branch and keep your changes in you own
> > development branch until after I create the stable release 5 branch
> on
> > launchpad.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Wayne
> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable release 5 road map.

[easyw]

Maybe a better idea would be mention StepUp in the Pcbnew documentation
and just provide a link to your documentation.  This way you don't need
to maintain your documentation in two places.

perfect ...
I'm going to create a pull request
Thanks
Maurice


On 7/5/2016 2:17 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

On 7/5/2016 7:22 AM, easyw wrote:

I'm fine with this.  Please create pull request against the current
documentation.

I will


Maybe a better idea would be mention StepUp in the Pcbnew documentation
and just provide a link to your documentation.  This way you don't need
to maintain your documentation in two places.


I'm sure our doc devs would be happy to help you.  I'm
not sure which section of the documentation this should go into.  There
is a scripting section in the Pcbnew so that may work.

I don't know if that could be in something like
http://kicad-pcb.org/help/documentation/
external tools
   STEP external exporter tool
beside
   KiCost
as in the kicad-pcb site


I am fully aware of how KiCad StepUp works.  I use it myself and it
works very well.

thanks

I would prefer that we integrate the StepUp functionality into KiCad so
the user could just click export and save the model to their preferred
file format.

that would be an easier approach I would consider too
at the same time StepUp is offering many MCAD option (i.e. interference
checking etc) that are not available internally in ECAD environment


Initially would be just fine with STEP but if we use OCE
we should support all of the exporters that it provides at some point.

Consider that OCE is the FreeCAD MCAD kernel, so anything you can do in
OCE, you can do in FC
Moreover in FC you may test if your models are geometrically fine and
fully compliant with OCE kernel, before exporting or using them (that is
exactly what I did when I created the 3D MCAD library)
OCE kernel has some odd behavior (as many/all other commercial kernels
have), so it is useful to have a direct feedback in FreeCAD

Thanks
Maurice

On 7/5/2016 11:34 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

On 7/5/2016 5:23 AM, easyw wrote:

Hi Wayne,

I think it would be nice to have also a note on KiCad user manual about
the external kicad StepUp exporter.


I'm fine with this.  Please create pull request against the current
documentation.  I'm sure our doc devs would be happy to help you.  I'm
not sure which section of the documentation this should go into.  There
is a scripting section in the Pcbnew so that may work.



Please consider that to use this exporter, the users would need just a
stable version of FreCAD (>=0.15) and a single python file ...
Everything is based on an assembler macro that can assembly STEP/IGES 3D
models and the KiCad pcb board.
It can convert KiCad boards, with 3D wrl models, but it also support the
conversion if the board has directly STEP models inside using the new
OCE plugin.


I am fully aware of how KiCad StepUp works.  I use it myself and it
works very well.  However, the typical EDA user does not want or expect
to have to run an external script to generate the board/component model.
   I would prefer that we integrate the StepUp functionality into KiCad so
the user could just click export and save the model to their preferred
file format.  Initially would be just fine with STEP but if we use OCE
we should support all of the exporters that it provides at some point.

Cheers,

Wayne



I know that is an external solution to KiCad, but since one year from
its first public release, many people (more than 8500) have downloaded
and used it with very little issues.
Moreover it is usable also with KiCad 4.02 stable release, without any
need to build from source.
Please have a look at this small video, to see how easy is to convert a
KiCad board to STEP model
https://youtu.be/h6wMU3lE_sA
The demo project is a self contained KiCad project and can be tested
just out of the box... unique requirement is a recent version of FreeCAD
installed in Linux, Windows and OSX environments
https://sourceforge.net/projects/kicadstepup/files/latest/download

I have done also a quite big library of 3D parametric models that can be
used directly as KiCAD 3D libraries
https://github.com/easyw/kicad-3d-mcad-models

I would be very pleased if my exporter would get a mention on the KiCad
user manual as an external open source solution to MCAD conversion...

Please let me know if you may need any further details or info about
this MCAD exporter

Thank you
Maurice

On 7/5/2016 10:13 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

Funny you should ask Cirilo since your name came up about the 3D model
plugins.  The current road map version 5 is published as part of the
developer documentation which is available on the KiCad website.  In
the
road map there is mention of support for exporting to STEP and/or IGES.
Any chance that you could provide a plugin for either one of these or
both by FOSDEM 2017?  It would be a nice feature for users to directly
export boards and footprint models to a format that can be u

Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable release 5 road map.

[Wayne Stambaugh]

On 7/5/2016 7:22 AM, easyw wrote:
>> I'm fine with this.  Please create pull request against the current
>> documentation.
> I will

Maybe a better idea would be mention StepUp in the Pcbnew documentation
and just provide a link to your documentation.  This way you don't need
to maintain your documentation in two places.

>> I'm sure our doc devs would be happy to help you.  I'm
>> not sure which section of the documentation this should go into.  There
>> is a scripting section in the Pcbnew so that may work.
> I don't know if that could be in something like
> http://kicad-pcb.org/help/documentation/
>external tools
>   STEP external exporter tool
> beside
>   KiCost
> as in the kicad-pcb site
> 
>> I am fully aware of how KiCad StepUp works.  I use it myself and it
>> works very well.
> thanks
>> I would prefer that we integrate the StepUp functionality into KiCad so
>> the user could just click export and save the model to their preferred
>> file format.
> that would be an easier approach I would consider too
> at the same time StepUp is offering many MCAD option (i.e. interference
> checking etc) that are not available internally in ECAD environment
> 
>> Initially would be just fine with STEP but if we use OCE
>> we should support all of the exporters that it provides at some point.
> Consider that OCE is the FreeCAD MCAD kernel, so anything you can do in
> OCE, you can do in FC
> Moreover in FC you may test if your models are geometrically fine and
> fully compliant with OCE kernel, before exporting or using them (that is
> exactly what I did when I created the 3D MCAD library)
> OCE kernel has some odd behavior (as many/all other commercial kernels
> have), so it is useful to have a direct feedback in FreeCAD
> 
> Thanks
> Maurice
> 
> On 7/5/2016 11:34 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> On 7/5/2016 5:23 AM, easyw wrote:
>>> Hi Wayne,
>>>
>>> I think it would be nice to have also a note on KiCad user manual about
>>> the external kicad StepUp exporter.
>>
>> I'm fine with this.  Please create pull request against the current
>> documentation.  I'm sure our doc devs would be happy to help you.  I'm
>> not sure which section of the documentation this should go into.  There
>> is a scripting section in the Pcbnew so that may work.
>>
>>>
>>> Please consider that to use this exporter, the users would need just a
>>> stable version of FreCAD (>=0.15) and a single python file ...
>>> Everything is based on an assembler macro that can assembly STEP/IGES 3D
>>> models and the KiCad pcb board.
>>> It can convert KiCad boards, with 3D wrl models, but it also support the
>>> conversion if the board has directly STEP models inside using the new
>>> OCE plugin.
>>
>> I am fully aware of how KiCad StepUp works.  I use it myself and it
>> works very well.  However, the typical EDA user does not want or expect
>> to have to run an external script to generate the board/component model.
>>   I would prefer that we integrate the StepUp functionality into KiCad so
>> the user could just click export and save the model to their preferred
>> file format.  Initially would be just fine with STEP but if we use OCE
>> we should support all of the exporters that it provides at some point.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>>
>>> I know that is an external solution to KiCad, but since one year from
>>> its first public release, many people (more than 8500) have downloaded
>>> and used it with very little issues.
>>> Moreover it is usable also with KiCad 4.02 stable release, without any
>>> need to build from source.
>>> Please have a look at this small video, to see how easy is to convert a
>>> KiCad board to STEP model
>>> https://youtu.be/h6wMU3lE_sA
>>> The demo project is a self contained KiCad project and can be tested
>>> just out of the box... unique requirement is a recent version of FreeCAD
>>> installed in Linux, Windows and OSX environments
>>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/kicadstepup/files/latest/download
>>>
>>> I have done also a quite big library of 3D parametric models that can be
>>> used directly as KiCAD 3D libraries
>>> https://github.com/easyw/kicad-3d-mcad-models
>>>
>>> I would be very pleased if my exporter would get a mention on the KiCad
>>> user manual as an external open source solution to MCAD conversion...
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you may need any further details or info about
>>> this MCAD exporter
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Maurice
>>>
>>> On 7/5/2016 10:13 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
 Funny you should ask Cirilo since your name came up about the 3D model
 plugins.  The current road map version 5 is published as part of the
 developer documentation which is available on the KiCad website.  In
 the
 road map there is mention of support for exporting to STEP and/or IGES.
 Any chance that you could provide a plugin for either one of these or
 both by FOSDEM 2017?  It would be a nice feature for users to directly
 export boards and footprint models to a format th

Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable release 5 road map.

[Simon Richter]

Hi,

On 05.07.2016 09:55, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

> If you are
> working on new features that are not in the version 5 road map, please
> inform me of what you working on and whether or not it will be ready to
> release by FOSDEM 2017.

My current branches:

1. writeable pin table

This could happen before FOSDEM, but is blocked by something that could
be a wx bug (widget not being rendered in the table context). Since that
feature is pretty much isolated in a single file and nothing depends on
it, I'm just going to submit it when it's ready and you decide whether
it can go in.

2. net ties

That is to a large extent blocked by any refactoring work in eeschema,
and the UI/UX is not fully defined yet either -- which we should fix
while we're here, but it won't be ready until after FOSDEM.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable release 5 road map.

[easyw]

I'm fine with this.  Please create pull request against the current
documentation.

I will

I'm sure our doc devs would be happy to help you.  I'm
not sure which section of the documentation this should go into.  There
is a scripting section in the Pcbnew so that may work.

I don't know if that could be in something like
http://kicad-pcb.org/help/documentation/
   external tools
  STEP external exporter tool
beside
  KiCost
as in the kicad-pcb site


I am fully aware of how KiCad StepUp works.  I use it myself and it
works very well.

thanks

I would prefer that we integrate the StepUp functionality into KiCad so
the user could just click export and save the model to their preferred
file format.

that would be an easier approach I would consider too
at the same time StepUp is offering many MCAD option (i.e. interference 
checking etc) that are not available internally in ECAD environment



Initially would be just fine with STEP but if we use OCE
we should support all of the exporters that it provides at some point.
Consider that OCE is the FreeCAD MCAD kernel, so anything you can do in 
OCE, you can do in FC
Moreover in FC you may test if your models are geometrically fine and 
fully compliant with OCE kernel, before exporting or using them (that is 
exactly what I did when I created the 3D MCAD library)
OCE kernel has some odd behavior (as many/all other commercial kernels 
have), so it is useful to have a direct feedback in FreeCAD


Thanks
Maurice

On 7/5/2016 11:34 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

On 7/5/2016 5:23 AM, easyw wrote:

Hi Wayne,

I think it would be nice to have also a note on KiCad user manual about
the external kicad StepUp exporter.


I'm fine with this.  Please create pull request against the current
documentation.  I'm sure our doc devs would be happy to help you.  I'm
not sure which section of the documentation this should go into.  There
is a scripting section in the Pcbnew so that may work.



Please consider that to use this exporter, the users would need just a
stable version of FreCAD (>=0.15) and a single python file ...
Everything is based on an assembler macro that can assembly STEP/IGES 3D
models and the KiCad pcb board.
It can convert KiCad boards, with 3D wrl models, but it also support the
conversion if the board has directly STEP models inside using the new
OCE plugin.


I am fully aware of how KiCad StepUp works.  I use it myself and it
works very well.  However, the typical EDA user does not want or expect
to have to run an external script to generate the board/component model.
  I would prefer that we integrate the StepUp functionality into KiCad so
the user could just click export and save the model to their preferred
file format.  Initially would be just fine with STEP but if we use OCE
we should support all of the exporters that it provides at some point.

Cheers,

Wayne



I know that is an external solution to KiCad, but since one year from
its first public release, many people (more than 8500) have downloaded
and used it with very little issues.
Moreover it is usable also with KiCad 4.02 stable release, without any
need to build from source.
Please have a look at this small video, to see how easy is to convert a
KiCad board to STEP model
https://youtu.be/h6wMU3lE_sA
The demo project is a self contained KiCad project and can be tested
just out of the box... unique requirement is a recent version of FreeCAD
installed in Linux, Windows and OSX environments
https://sourceforge.net/projects/kicadstepup/files/latest/download

I have done also a quite big library of 3D parametric models that can be
used directly as KiCAD 3D libraries
https://github.com/easyw/kicad-3d-mcad-models

I would be very pleased if my exporter would get a mention on the KiCad
user manual as an external open source solution to MCAD conversion...

Please let me know if you may need any further details or info about
this MCAD exporter

Thank you
Maurice

On 7/5/2016 10:13 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

Funny you should ask Cirilo since your name came up about the 3D model
plugins.  The current road map version 5 is published as part of the
developer documentation which is available on the KiCad website.  In the
road map there is mention of support for exporting to STEP and/or IGES.
Any chance that you could provide a plugin for either one of these or
both by FOSDEM 2017?  It would be a nice feature for users to directly
export boards and footprint models to a format that can be used directly
by FreeCAD and less than free CAD tools for mechanical design.  Maybe
you could get some help from Mario and Maurice.  If you don't think this
is possible, please let me know so I can update the road map.

Cheers,

Wayne

On 7/5/2016 4:07 AM, Cirilo Bernardo wrote:

Is there a pre-commit version somewhere where we can see what's
on the roadmap?

I want to work on a PCB API so that pcbnew importers/exporters
can be turned into plugins and I can add an MCAD exporter, but
given my free time and the size of the 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable release 5 road map.

[Wayne Stambaugh]

On 7/5/2016 5:23 AM, easyw wrote:
> Hi Wayne,
> 
> I think it would be nice to have also a note on KiCad user manual about
> the external kicad StepUp exporter.

I'm fine with this.  Please create pull request against the current
documentation.  I'm sure our doc devs would be happy to help you.  I'm
not sure which section of the documentation this should go into.  There
is a scripting section in the Pcbnew so that may work.

> 
> Please consider that to use this exporter, the users would need just a
> stable version of FreCAD (>=0.15) and a single python file ...
> Everything is based on an assembler macro that can assembly STEP/IGES 3D
> models and the KiCad pcb board.
> It can convert KiCad boards, with 3D wrl models, but it also support the
> conversion if the board has directly STEP models inside using the new
> OCE plugin.

I am fully aware of how KiCad StepUp works.  I use it myself and it
works very well.  However, the typical EDA user does not want or expect
to have to run an external script to generate the board/component model.
 I would prefer that we integrate the StepUp functionality into KiCad so
the user could just click export and save the model to their preferred
file format.  Initially would be just fine with STEP but if we use OCE
we should support all of the exporters that it provides at some point.

Cheers,

Wayne

> 
> I know that is an external solution to KiCad, but since one year from
> its first public release, many people (more than 8500) have downloaded
> and used it with very little issues.
> Moreover it is usable also with KiCad 4.02 stable release, without any
> need to build from source.
> Please have a look at this small video, to see how easy is to convert a
> KiCad board to STEP model
> https://youtu.be/h6wMU3lE_sA
> The demo project is a self contained KiCad project and can be tested
> just out of the box... unique requirement is a recent version of FreeCAD
> installed in Linux, Windows and OSX environments
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/kicadstepup/files/latest/download
> 
> I have done also a quite big library of 3D parametric models that can be
> used directly as KiCAD 3D libraries
> https://github.com/easyw/kicad-3d-mcad-models
> 
> I would be very pleased if my exporter would get a mention on the KiCad
> user manual as an external open source solution to MCAD conversion...
> 
> Please let me know if you may need any further details or info about
> this MCAD exporter
> 
> Thank you
> Maurice
> 
> On 7/5/2016 10:13 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> Funny you should ask Cirilo since your name came up about the 3D model
>> plugins.  The current road map version 5 is published as part of the
>> developer documentation which is available on the KiCad website.  In the
>> road map there is mention of support for exporting to STEP and/or IGES.
>> Any chance that you could provide a plugin for either one of these or
>> both by FOSDEM 2017?  It would be a nice feature for users to directly
>> export boards and footprint models to a format that can be used directly
>> by FreeCAD and less than free CAD tools for mechanical design.  Maybe
>> you could get some help from Mario and Maurice.  If you don't think this
>> is possible, please let me know so I can update the road map.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 7/5/2016 4:07 AM, Cirilo Bernardo wrote:
>>> Is there a pre-commit version somewhere where we can see what's
>>> on the roadmap?
>>>
>>> I want to work on a PCB API so that pcbnew importers/exporters
>>> can be turned into plugins and I can add an MCAD exporter, but
>>> given my free time and the size of the job I wouldn't expect it to
>>> be ready for FOSDEM 2017.
>>>
>>> - Cirilo
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Wayne Stambaugh >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>  I spent much of yesterday discussing and finalizing the stable
>>> version 5
>>>  road map with everyone here at CERN.  I will be committing the
>>> revised
>>>  road map soon.  Before I do, I want to make sure no one is
>>> working on
>>>  anything outside the road map that I do not know about.  If you are
>>>  working on new features that are not in the version 5 road map,
>>> please
>>>  inform me of what you working on and whether or not it will be
>>> ready to
>>>  release by FOSDEM 2017.  If it will not be ready by then, please
>>> do not
>>>  commit it to the product branch and keep your changes in you own
>>>  development branch until after I create the stable release 5
>>> branch on
>>>  launchpad.
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>>
>>>  Wayne
>>>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable release 5 road map.

[easyw]

Hi Wayne,

I think it would be nice to have also a note on KiCad user manual about 
the external kicad StepUp exporter.


Please consider that to use this exporter, the users would need just a 
stable version of FreCAD (>=0.15) and a single python file ...
Everything is based on an assembler macro that can assembly STEP/IGES 3D 
models and the KiCad pcb board.
It can convert KiCad boards, with 3D wrl models, but it also support the 
conversion if the board has directly STEP models inside using the new 
OCE plugin.


I know that is an external solution to KiCad, but since one year from 
its first public release, many people (more than 8500) have downloaded 
and used it with very little issues.
Moreover it is usable also with KiCad 4.02 stable release, without any 
need to build from source.
Please have a look at this small video, to see how easy is to convert a 
KiCad board to STEP model

https://youtu.be/h6wMU3lE_sA
The demo project is a self contained KiCad project and can be tested 
just out of the box... unique requirement is a recent version of FreeCAD 
installed in Linux, Windows and OSX environments

https://sourceforge.net/projects/kicadstepup/files/latest/download

I have done also a quite big library of 3D parametric models that can be 
used directly as KiCAD 3D libraries

https://github.com/easyw/kicad-3d-mcad-models

I would be very pleased if my exporter would get a mention on the KiCad 
user manual as an external open source solution to MCAD conversion...


Please let me know if you may need any further details or info about 
this MCAD exporter


Thank you
Maurice

On 7/5/2016 10:13 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

Funny you should ask Cirilo since your name came up about the 3D model
plugins.  The current road map version 5 is published as part of the
developer documentation which is available on the KiCad website.  In the
road map there is mention of support for exporting to STEP and/or IGES.
Any chance that you could provide a plugin for either one of these or
both by FOSDEM 2017?  It would be a nice feature for users to directly
export boards and footprint models to a format that can be used directly
by FreeCAD and less than free CAD tools for mechanical design.  Maybe
you could get some help from Mario and Maurice.  If you don't think this
is possible, please let me know so I can update the road map.

Cheers,

Wayne

On 7/5/2016 4:07 AM, Cirilo Bernardo wrote:

Is there a pre-commit version somewhere where we can see what's
on the roadmap?

I want to work on a PCB API so that pcbnew importers/exporters
can be turned into plugins and I can add an MCAD exporter, but
given my free time and the size of the job I wouldn't expect it to
be ready for FOSDEM 2017.

- Cirilo

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Wayne Stambaugh mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 I spent much of yesterday discussing and finalizing the stable version 5
 road map with everyone here at CERN.  I will be committing the revised
 road map soon.  Before I do, I want to make sure no one is working on
 anything outside the road map that I do not know about.  If you are
 working on new features that are not in the version 5 road map, please
 inform me of what you working on and whether or not it will be ready to
 release by FOSDEM 2017.  If it will not be ready by then, please do not
 commit it to the product branch and keep your changes in you own
 development branch until after I create the stable release 5 branch on
 launchpad.

 Cheers,

 Wayne

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable release 5 road map.

[Wayne Stambaugh]

Funny you should ask Cirilo since your name came up about the 3D model
plugins.  The current road map version 5 is published as part of the
developer documentation which is available on the KiCad website.  In the
road map there is mention of support for exporting to STEP and/or IGES.
Any chance that you could provide a plugin for either one of these or
both by FOSDEM 2017?  It would be a nice feature for users to directly
export boards and footprint models to a format that can be used directly
by FreeCAD and less than free CAD tools for mechanical design.  Maybe
you could get some help from Mario and Maurice.  If you don't think this
is possible, please let me know so I can update the road map.

Cheers,

Wayne

On 7/5/2016 4:07 AM, Cirilo Bernardo wrote:
> Is there a pre-commit version somewhere where we can see what's
> on the roadmap?
> 
> I want to work on a PCB API so that pcbnew importers/exporters
> can be turned into plugins and I can add an MCAD exporter, but
> given my free time and the size of the job I wouldn't expect it to
> be ready for FOSDEM 2017.
> 
> - Cirilo
> 
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Wayne Stambaugh  > wrote:
> 
> I spent much of yesterday discussing and finalizing the stable version 5
> road map with everyone here at CERN.  I will be committing the revised
> road map soon.  Before I do, I want to make sure no one is working on
> anything outside the road map that I do not know about.  If you are
> working on new features that are not in the version 5 road map, please
> inform me of what you working on and whether or not it will be ready to
> release by FOSDEM 2017.  If it will not be ready by then, please do not
> commit it to the product branch and keep your changes in you own
> development branch until after I create the stable release 5 branch on
> launchpad.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Wayne
> 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable release 5 road map.

[Cirilo Bernardo]

Is there a pre-commit version somewhere where we can see what's
on the roadmap?

I want to work on a PCB API so that pcbnew importers/exporters
can be turned into plugins and I can add an MCAD exporter, but
given my free time and the size of the job I wouldn't expect it to
be ready for FOSDEM 2017.

- Cirilo

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Wayne Stambaugh 
wrote:

> I spent much of yesterday discussing and finalizing the stable version 5
> road map with everyone here at CERN.  I will be committing the revised
> road map soon.  Before I do, I want to make sure no one is working on
> anything outside the road map that I do not know about.  If you are
> working on new features that are not in the version 5 road map, please
> inform me of what you working on and whether or not it will be ready to
> release by FOSDEM 2017.  If it will not be ready by then, please do not
> commit it to the product branch and keep your changes in you own
> development branch until after I create the stable release 5 branch on
> launchpad.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
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[Kicad-developers] Stable release 5 road map.

[Wayne Stambaugh]

I spent much of yesterday discussing and finalizing the stable version 5
road map with everyone here at CERN.  I will be committing the revised
road map soon.  Before I do, I want to make sure no one is working on
anything outside the road map that I do not know about.  If you are
working on new features that are not in the version 5 road map, please
inform me of what you working on and whether or not it will be ready to
release by FOSDEM 2017.  If it will not be ready by then, please do not
commit it to the product branch and keep your changes in you own
development branch until after I create the stable release 5 branch on
launchpad.

Cheers,

Wayne

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