Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction
On 2016.06.14 17:36, aga wrote: On 14/06/16 20:59, Jack wrote: I was tracking down a recent payment, and so was looking at the Payee Veiw for a payee "MetLife". Most of the transactions are plain checks. However, there was one investment transaction. It was for purchase of a security "METLIFE INC COM" with the funds coming from the default brokerage account for that investment account. Nowhere in the ledger do I see any mention of the Payee MetLife. (Yes, it's the same company - I own shares in it, and pay it for insurance premiums - completely unrelated activities.) I have not yet dug into the actual KMY file, but I'm really curious why there is any payee involved in a "buy shares" transaction with no fees involved. I believe all the relevant transactions were imported by OFX, either direct connect or file import (libofx, not aqbanking). Was it a recent transaction? There was a time when a payee was required, but that was removed by popular request. OK, I finally looked into the kmy file. Indeed, Metlife is a Payee, and METLIFE... is an equity. It seems all the METLIFE investment transactions I looked at have the Metlife payee listed in one of the splits. The payee is listed in the split for which the account is the brokerage account. The other split has the equity as its account. I assume this was originally done when a payee was required in investment transactions, and has remained in new transactions due to some matching magic. So - my question is whether there is any way to actually see that split through the current user interface? I have so far not found one. Can anyone say for sure whether it would be safe for me to just manually change 'payee="P00743"' to 'payee=""' in those transactions? Separately, is there any point in creating a wishlist to address this issue? I know it won't get addressed any time soon, but is it worth keeping track of? Jack
Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction
I have looked, and do not see any splits in any of these transactions. If I click "Go to Payee" it takes me back to the Payee view (where I started) which shows both "legitimate" payments to that payee, but also the buy shares transactions. On 2016.06.15 12:31, aga wrote: On 15/06/16 16:22, Jack wrote: I think you do understand. I don't see the Payee name displayed anywhere in the transaction, thus no way to change/remove it. It is obviously there, since the transaction shows up in the Payee view, and "go to payee" does appear in the context menu of the transaction in the ledger view of the investment account. OK,Jack. Just one last point. Or two. You possibly have already, but I don't think it's been mentioned, might it be hiding in a split? Finally, have you followed the "go to payee"? Allan I can probably get an ofx file (the original was likely direct connect), and I suppose I could rename that payee to something completely different, and see if a re-import includes the renamed payee. However, it does seem that the original issue happened long ago. I don't think I'd call the file corrupt, as it seems otherwise internally consistent, it just seems to have a payee assigned for an investment transaction, which may have once been done, but should no longer be the case. I probably won't do anything about it until I at least look into the kmy file to see if I can find any concrete evidence. On 2016.06.15 08:50, aga wrote: On 15/06/16 03:05, Jack wrote: I don't want to delete the payee totally, I want to remove it from some buy share transactions, and I don't see it displayed in the ledger anywhere, either in the investment account, the brokerage account, and no explicit mention in the payee display (which is not editable anyway). Sorry, but still trying to get my head around this! As I understand it, when you view the Payees view, you see this payee, and when you select it, you get a list of the transactions involved. One of those is an investment and you should see the account name and details, etc. Where does your payee name appear? If you then double click that transaction, you go to Ledger view, and can see the security name and details, which, as I see it, shows the investment activity type. I don't see anywhere a Payee field. If you create a new investment transaction, again there is no Payee field. Is this the case, and your predicament? Nowhere to edit a payee field. If so, then I've no idea how it came to be created. In your April example, do you have that OFX file to hand to try reimporting? Or can you re-direct-connect. If you are able to do this, temporarily remove any existing payee of that name and any matching. If that doesn't show it again, I just don't know, and can only think your file got corrupted. Your only option then would be the old XML edit edit, as far as I can see. But I didn't tell you that! Allan On 2016.06.14 21:57, allan wrote: I'm not sure I understand so excuse me if I've got it wrong.You have a payee you want to delete but can't see how? Why, what happens when you try? Do you have any matching set'? Allan Sent from my Samsung device Original message -------- From: Jack Date: 14/06/2016 23:07 (GMT+00:00) To: kmymoney-devel@kde.org Subject: Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction On 2016.06.14 17:36, aga wrote: > On 14/06/16 20:59, Jack wrote: >> I was tracking down a recent payment, and so was looking at the Payee >> Veiw for a payee "MetLife". Most of the transactions are plain >> checks. >> However, there was one investment transaction. It was for purchase >> of a >> security "METLIFE INC COM" with the funds coming from the default >> brokerage account for that investment account. Nowhere in the >> ledger do >> I see any mention of the Payee MetLife. (Yes, it's the same company >> - I >> own shares in it, and pay it for insurance premiums - completely >> unrelated activities.) I have not yet dug into the actual KMY file, >> but >> I'm really curious why there is any payee involved in a "buy shares" >> transaction with no fees involved. I believe all the relevant >> transactions were imported by OFX, either direct connect or file >> import >> (libofx, not aqbanking). >> >> Any explanations? > Was it a recent transaction? There was a time when a payee was > required, but that was removed by popular request. I actually found several more from 2014, but this one was just from this April. However, if it matched to the older ones, I can see it would continue to use the same payee as the older transactions. What I still find odd is that I don't see any way in the standard interface to remove it. Will I have to manually edit the kmy file?
Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction
On 15/06/16 16:22, Jack wrote: I think you do understand. I don't see the Payee name displayed anywhere in the transaction, thus no way to change/remove it. It is obviously there, since the transaction shows up in the Payee view, and "go to payee" does appear in the context menu of the transaction in the ledger view of the investment account. OK,Jack. Just one last point. Or two. You possibly have already, but I don't think it's been mentioned, might it be hiding in a split? Finally, have you followed the "go to payee"? Allan I can probably get an ofx file (the original was likely direct connect), and I suppose I could rename that payee to something completely different, and see if a re-import includes the renamed payee. However, it does seem that the original issue happened long ago. I don't think I'd call the file corrupt, as it seems otherwise internally consistent, it just seems to have a payee assigned for an investment transaction, which may have once been done, but should no longer be the case. I probably won't do anything about it until I at least look into the kmy file to see if I can find any concrete evidence. On 2016.06.15 08:50, aga wrote: On 15/06/16 03:05, Jack wrote: I don't want to delete the payee totally, I want to remove it from some buy share transactions, and I don't see it displayed in the ledger anywhere, either in the investment account, the brokerage account, and no explicit mention in the payee display (which is not editable anyway). Sorry, but still trying to get my head around this! As I understand it, when you view the Payees view, you see this payee, and when you select it, you get a list of the transactions involved. One of those is an investment and you should see the account name and details, etc. Where does your payee name appear? If you then double click that transaction, you go to Ledger view, and can see the security name and details, which, as I see it, shows the investment activity type. I don't see anywhere a Payee field. If you create a new investment transaction, again there is no Payee field. Is this the case, and your predicament? Nowhere to edit a payee field. If so, then I've no idea how it came to be created. In your April example, do you have that OFX file to hand to try reimporting? Or can you re-direct-connect. If you are able to do this, temporarily remove any existing payee of that name and any matching. If that doesn't show it again, I just don't know, and can only think your file got corrupted. Your only option then would be the old XML edit edit, as far as I can see. But I didn't tell you that! Allan On 2016.06.14 21:57, allan wrote: I'm not sure I understand so excuse me if I've got it wrong.You have a payee you want to delete but can't see how? Why, what happens when you try? Do you have any matching set'? Allan Sent from my Samsung device Original message ---- From: Jack Date: 14/06/2016 23:07 (GMT+00:00) To: kmymoney-devel@kde.org Subject: Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction On 2016.06.14 17:36, aga wrote: > On 14/06/16 20:59, Jack wrote: >> I was tracking down a recent payment, and so was looking at the Payee >> Veiw for a payee "MetLife". Most of the transactions are plain >> checks. >> However, there was one investment transaction. It was for purchase >> of a >> security "METLIFE INC COM" with the funds coming from the default >> brokerage account for that investment account. Nowhere in the >> ledger do >> I see any mention of the Payee MetLife. (Yes, it's the same company >> - I >> own shares in it, and pay it for insurance premiums - completely >> unrelated activities.) I have not yet dug into the actual KMY file, >> but >> I'm really curious why there is any payee involved in a "buy shares" >> transaction with no fees involved. I believe all the relevant >> transactions were imported by OFX, either direct connect or file >> import >> (libofx, not aqbanking). >> >> Any explanations? > Was it a recent transaction? There was a time when a payee was > required, but that was removed by popular request. I actually found several more from 2014, but this one was just from this April. However, if it matched to the older ones, I can see it would continue to use the same payee as the older transactions. What I still find odd is that I don't see any way in the standard interface to remove it. Will I have to manually edit the kmy file?
Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction
I think you do understand. I don't see the Payee name displayed anywhere in the transaction, thus no way to change/remove it. It is obviously there, since the transaction shows up in the Payee view, and "go to payee" does appear in the context menu of the transaction in the ledger view of the investment account. I can probably get an ofx file (the original was likely direct connect), and I suppose I could rename that payee to something completely different, and see if a re-import includes the renamed payee. However, it does seem that the original issue happened long ago. I don't think I'd call the file corrupt, as it seems otherwise internally consistent, it just seems to have a payee assigned for an investment transaction, which may have once been done, but should no longer be the case. I probably won't do anything about it until I at least look into the kmy file to see if I can find any concrete evidence. On 2016.06.15 08:50, aga wrote: On 15/06/16 03:05, Jack wrote: I don't want to delete the payee totally, I want to remove it from some buy share transactions, and I don't see it displayed in the ledger anywhere, either in the investment account, the brokerage account, and no explicit mention in the payee display (which is not editable anyway). Sorry, but still trying to get my head around this! As I understand it, when you view the Payees view, you see this payee, and when you select it, you get a list of the transactions involved. One of those is an investment and you should see the account name and details, etc. Where does your payee name appear? If you then double click that transaction, you go to Ledger view, and can see the security name and details, which, as I see it, shows the investment activity type. I don't see anywhere a Payee field. If you create a new investment transaction, again there is no Payee field. Is this the case, and your predicament? Nowhere to edit a payee field. If so, then I've no idea how it came to be created. In your April example, do you have that OFX file to hand to try reimporting? Or can you re-direct-connect. If you are able to do this, temporarily remove any existing payee of that name and any matching. If that doesn't show it again, I just don't know, and can only think your file got corrupted. Your only option then would be the old XML edit edit, as far as I can see. But I didn't tell you that! Allan On 2016.06.14 21:57, allan wrote: I'm not sure I understand so excuse me if I've got it wrong.You have a payee you want to delete but can't see how? Why, what happens when you try? Do you have any matching set'? Allan Sent from my Samsung device Original message From: Jack Date: 14/06/2016 23:07 (GMT+00:00) To: kmymoney-devel@kde.org Subject: Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction On 2016.06.14 17:36, aga wrote: > On 14/06/16 20:59, Jack wrote: >> I was tracking down a recent payment, and so was looking at the Payee >> Veiw for a payee "MetLife". Most of the transactions are plain >> checks. >> However, there was one investment transaction. It was for purchase >> of a >> security "METLIFE INC COM" with the funds coming from the default >> brokerage account for that investment account. Nowhere in the >> ledger do >> I see any mention of the Payee MetLife. (Yes, it's the same company >> - I >> own shares in it, and pay it for insurance premiums - completely >> unrelated activities.) I have not yet dug into the actual KMY file, >> but >> I'm really curious why there is any payee involved in a "buy shares" >> transaction with no fees involved. I believe all the relevant >> transactions were imported by OFX, either direct connect or file >> import >> (libofx, not aqbanking). >> >> Any explanations? > Was it a recent transaction? There was a time when a payee was > required, but that was removed by popular request. I actually found several more from 2014, but this one was just from this April. However, if it matched to the older ones, I can see it would continue to use the same payee as the older transactions. What I still find odd is that I don't see any way in the standard interface to remove it. Will I have to manually edit the kmy file?
Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction
On 15/06/16 03:05, Jack wrote: I don't want to delete the payee totally, I want to remove it from some buy share transactions, and I don't see it displayed in the ledger anywhere, either in the investment account, the brokerage account, and no explicit mention in the payee display (which is not editable anyway). Sorry, but still trying to get my head around this! As I understand it, when you view the Payees view, you see this payee, and when you select it, you get a list of the transactions involved. One of those is an investment and you should see the account name and details, etc. Where does your payee name appear? If you then double click that transaction, you go to Ledger view, and can see the security name and details, which, as I see it, shows the investment activity type. I don't see anywhere a Payee field. If you create a new investment transaction, again there is no Payee field. Is this the case, and your predicament? Nowhere to edit a payee field. If so, then I've no idea how it came to be created. In your April example, do you have that OFX file to hand to try reimporting? Or can you re-direct-connect. If you are able to do this, temporarily remove any existing payee of that name and any matching. If that doesn't show it again, I just don't know, and can only think your file got corrupted. Your only option then would be the old XML edit edit, as far as I can see. But I didn't tell you that! Allan On 2016.06.14 21:57, allan wrote: I'm not sure I understand so excuse me if I've got it wrong.You have a payee you want to delete but can't see how? Why, what happens when you try? Do you have any matching set'? Allan Sent from my Samsung device Original message From: Jack Date: 14/06/2016 23:07 (GMT+00:00) To: kmymoney-devel@kde.org Subject: Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction On 2016.06.14 17:36, aga wrote: > On 14/06/16 20:59, Jack wrote: >> I was tracking down a recent payment, and so was looking at the Payee >> Veiw for a payee "MetLife". Most of the transactions are plain >> checks. >> However, there was one investment transaction. It was for purchase >> of a >> security "METLIFE INC COM" with the funds coming from the default >> brokerage account for that investment account. Nowhere in the >> ledger do >> I see any mention of the Payee MetLife. (Yes, it's the same company >> - I >> own shares in it, and pay it for insurance premiums - completely >> unrelated activities.) I have not yet dug into the actual KMY file, >> but >> I'm really curious why there is any payee involved in a "buy shares" >> transaction with no fees involved. I believe all the relevant >> transactions were imported by OFX, either direct connect or file >> import >> (libofx, not aqbanking). >> >> Any explanations? > Was it a recent transaction? There was a time when a payee was > required, but that was removed by popular request. I actually found several more from 2014, but this one was just from this April. However, if it matched to the older ones, I can see it would continue to use the same payee as the older transactions. What I still find odd is that I don't see any way in the standard interface to remove it. Will I have to manually edit the kmy file?
Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction
I don't want to delete the payee totally, I want to remove it from some buy share transactions, and I don't see it displayed in the ledger anywhere, either in the investment account, the brokerage account, and no explicit mention in the payee display (which is not editable anyway). On 2016.06.14 21:57, allan wrote: I'm not sure I understand so excuse me if I've got it wrong.You have a payee you want to delete but can't see how? Why, what happens when you try? Do you have any matching set'? Allan Sent from my Samsung device Original message From: Jack Date: 14/06/2016 23:07 (GMT+00:00) To: kmymoney-devel@kde.org Subject: Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction On 2016.06.14 17:36, aga wrote: > On 14/06/16 20:59, Jack wrote: >> I was tracking down a recent payment, and so was looking at the Payee >> Veiw for a payee "MetLife". Most of the transactions are plain >> checks. >> However, there was one investment transaction. It was for purchase >> of a >> security "METLIFE INC COM" with the funds coming from the default >> brokerage account for that investment account. Nowhere in the >> ledger do >> I see any mention of the Payee MetLife. (Yes, it's the same company >> - I >> own shares in it, and pay it for insurance premiums - completely >> unrelated activities.) I have not yet dug into the actual KMY file, >> but >> I'm really curious why there is any payee involved in a "buy shares" >> transaction with no fees involved. I believe all the relevant >> transactions were imported by OFX, either direct connect or file >> import >> (libofx, not aqbanking). >> >> Any explanations? > Was it a recent transaction? There was a time when a payee was > required, but that was removed by popular request. I actually found several more from 2014, but this one was just from this April. However, if it matched to the older ones, I can see it would continue to use the same payee as the older transactions. What I still find odd is that I don't see any way in the standard interface to remove it. Will I have to manually edit the kmy file?
Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction
I'm not sure I understand so excuse me if I've got it wrong.You have a payee you want to delete but can't see how? Why, what happens when you try? Do you have any matching set'? Allan Sent from my Samsung device Original message From: Jack Date: 14/06/2016 23:07 (GMT+00:00) To: kmymoney-devel@kde.org Subject: Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction On 2016.06.14 17:36, aga wrote: > On 14/06/16 20:59, Jack wrote: >> I was tracking down a recent payment, and so was looking at the Payee >> Veiw for a payee "MetLife". Most of the transactions are plain >> checks. >> However, there was one investment transaction. It was for purchase >> of a >> security "METLIFE INC COM" with the funds coming from the default >> brokerage account for that investment account. Nowhere in the >> ledger do >> I see any mention of the Payee MetLife. (Yes, it's the same company >> - I >> own shares in it, and pay it for insurance premiums - completely >> unrelated activities.) I have not yet dug into the actual KMY file, >> but >> I'm really curious why there is any payee involved in a "buy shares" >> transaction with no fees involved. I believe all the relevant >> transactions were imported by OFX, either direct connect or file >> import >> (libofx, not aqbanking). >> >> Any explanations? > Was it a recent transaction? There was a time when a payee was > required, but that was removed by popular request. I actually found several more from 2014, but this one was just from this April. However, if it matched to the older ones, I can see it would continue to use the same payee as the older transactions. What I still find odd is that I don't see any way in the standard interface to remove it. Will I have to manually edit the kmy file?
Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction
On 2016.06.14 17:36, aga wrote: On 14/06/16 20:59, Jack wrote: I was tracking down a recent payment, and so was looking at the Payee Veiw for a payee "MetLife". Most of the transactions are plain checks. However, there was one investment transaction. It was for purchase of a security "METLIFE INC COM" with the funds coming from the default brokerage account for that investment account. Nowhere in the ledger do I see any mention of the Payee MetLife. (Yes, it's the same company - I own shares in it, and pay it for insurance premiums - completely unrelated activities.) I have not yet dug into the actual KMY file, but I'm really curious why there is any payee involved in a "buy shares" transaction with no fees involved. I believe all the relevant transactions were imported by OFX, either direct connect or file import (libofx, not aqbanking). Any explanations? Was it a recent transaction? There was a time when a payee was required, but that was removed by popular request. I actually found several more from 2014, but this one was just from this April. However, if it matched to the older ones, I can see it would continue to use the same payee as the older transactions. What I still find odd is that I don't see any way in the standard interface to remove it. Will I have to manually edit the kmy file?
Re: unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction
On 14/06/16 20:59, Jack wrote: I was tracking down a recent payment, and so was looking at the Payee Veiw for a payee "MetLife". Most of the transactions are plain checks. However, there was one investment transaction. It was for purchase of a security "METLIFE INC COM" with the funds coming from the default brokerage account for that investment account. Nowhere in the ledger do I see any mention of the Payee MetLife. (Yes, it's the same company - I own shares in it, and pay it for insurance premiums - completely unrelated activities.) I have not yet dug into the actual KMY file, but I'm really curious why there is any payee involved in a "buy shares" transaction with no fees involved. I believe all the relevant transactions were imported by OFX, either direct connect or file import (libofx, not aqbanking). Any explanations? Thanks. Jack Was it a recent transaction? There was a time when a payee was required, but that was removed by popular request. Allan
unexpected presence of a payee in an investment transaction
I was tracking down a recent payment, and so was looking at the Payee Veiw for a payee "MetLife". Most of the transactions are plain checks. However, there was one investment transaction. It was for purchase of a security "METLIFE INC COM" with the funds coming from the default brokerage account for that investment account. Nowhere in the ledger do I see any mention of the Payee MetLife. (Yes, it's the same company - I own shares in it, and pay it for insurance premiums - completely unrelated activities.) I have not yet dug into the actual KMY file, but I'm really curious why there is any payee involved in a "buy shares" transaction with no fees involved. I believe all the relevant transactions were imported by OFX, either direct connect or file import (libofx, not aqbanking). Any explanations? Thanks. Jack
