[Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct

2014-09-26 Thread glaws 
I have some concerns about the Koha Community Code of Conduct posted here:

http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/


My specific concern is the second bullet point:

Harassment includes, but is not limited to:

  * ---snip---
  * Verbal, graphic or written comments related to gender, gender
identity, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body
size, race or religion


which seems overly broad.

Examples

If, during a conference breaking for lunch, I say to a group of
attendees "I'm Buddhist, is there a vegetarian restaurant near here?", I
would seem to have violated this point (verbal...comment...religion).

Or if I'm a presenter, and I make a comment for illustrative purposes,
like "Just as people come in all sizes, libraries also vary in size and
Koha is great for all of them", have I violated the code?

Or if I'm with a group of attendees planning on going out somewhere, and
I say "I have , and I can't walk with you
that far", is that a violation?

I would like to suggest that the wording for this particular point
include something to the effect that the references must be obviously
negative in nature or perhaps intended to give offense to to an average
person _based_on_some_reasonable_standard_.


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Re: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct

2014-09-26 Thread glaws 
Well, yes, that's my point really. By the simple definition given in the
CoC every comment on the enumerated items is harassing.

"Harassment includes...comments related to gender, gender identity,
sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race or
religion."


Greg





On 09/26/2014 03:05 PM, Riley Childs wrote:
> Overly broad? You can harass without knowing it, you are taking I in
> the literal sense that every comment is harssing.
>
> Riley Childs
> Senior
> Charlotte United Christian Academy
> Library Services Administrator
> IT Services
> (704) 497-2086
> rileychilds.net
> @rowdychildren
> 
> From: glaws <mailto:glaw...@rhcl.org>
> Sent: ‎9/‎26/‎2014 3:50 PM
> To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz <mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>
> Subject: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct
>
> I have some concerns about the Koha Community Code of Conduct posted here:
>
> http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/
> <http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/>
>
> My specific concern is the second bullet point:
>
> Harassment includes, but is not limited to:
>
>   * ---snip---
>   * Verbal, graphic or written comments related to gender, gender
> identity, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body
> size, race or religion
>
>
> which seems overly broad.
>
> Examples
>
> If, during a conference breaking for lunch, I say to a group of
> attendees "I'm Buddhist, is there a vegetarian restaurant near here?", I
> would seem to have violated this point (verbal...comment...religion).
>
> Or if I'm a presenter, and I make a comment for illustrative purposes,
> like "Just as people come in all sizes, libraries also vary in size and
> Koha is great for all of them", have I violated the code?
>
> Or if I'm with a group of attendees planning on going out somewhere, and
> I say "I have , and I can't walk with you
> that far", is that a violation?
>
> I would like to suggest that the wording for this particular point
> include something to the effect that the references must be obviously
> negative in nature or perhaps intended to give offense to to an average
> person _based_on_some_reasonable_standard_.
>
>
> -- 
> Greg Lawson
>
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Re: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct

2014-09-26 Thread Riley Childs 

In your opinion, how should it read?
Riley Childs
Senior
Charlotte United Christian Academy
Library Services Administrator
IT Services
(704) 497-2086
rileychilds.net
@rowdychildren

From: glaws<mailto:glaw...@rhcl.org>
Sent: ‎9/‎26/‎2014 4:17 PM
To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct

Well, yes, that's my point really. By the simple definition given in the
CoC every comment on the enumerated items is harassing.

"Harassment includes...comments related to gender, gender identity,
sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race or
religion."


Greg





On 09/26/2014 03:05 PM, Riley Childs wrote:
> Overly broad? You can harass without knowing it, you are taking I in
> the literal sense that every comment is harssing.
>
> Riley Childs
> Senior
> Charlotte United Christian Academy
> Library Services Administrator
> IT Services
> (704) 497-2086
> rileychilds.net
> @rowdychildren
> 
> From: glaws <mailto:glaw...@rhcl.org>
> Sent: ‎9/‎26/‎2014 3:50 PM
> To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz <mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>
> Subject: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct
>
> I have some concerns about the Koha Community Code of Conduct posted here:
>
> http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/
> <http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/>
>
> My specific concern is the second bullet point:
>
> Harassment includes, but is not limited to:
>
>   * ---snip---
>   * Verbal, graphic or written comments related to gender, gender
> identity, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body
> size, race or religion
>
>
> which seems overly broad.
>
> Examples
>
> If, during a conference breaking for lunch, I say to a group of
> attendees "I'm Buddhist, is there a vegetarian restaurant near here?", I
> would seem to have violated this point (verbal...comment...religion).
>
> Or if I'm a presenter, and I make a comment for illustrative purposes,
> like "Just as people come in all sizes, libraries also vary in size and
> Koha is great for all of them", have I violated the code?
>
> Or if I'm with a group of attendees planning on going out somewhere, and
> I say "I have , and I can't walk with you
> that far", is that a violation?
>
> I would like to suggest that the wording for this particular point
> include something to the effect that the references must be obviously
> negative in nature or perhaps intended to give offense to to an average
> person _based_on_some_reasonable_standard_.
>
>
> --
> Greg Lawson
>
> ___
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> Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz
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St. Joseph, MO 64506
816-232-5479 x2303

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Re: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct

2014-09-26 Thread Galen Charlton 
Hi,

Looking at the current model code of conduct on the Geek Feminism wiki
[1], I would suggest amending the sentence in question to:

"Verbal, graphic or written comments that reinforce social structures
of domination related to gender, sexual orientation, disability,
physical appearance, body size, race or religion."

The entire clause from the sample code of conduct that this draws from is:

"Harassment includes verbal comments that reinforce social structures
of domination [related to gender, gender identity and expression,
sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race,
age, religion, [your specific concern here]], sexual images in public
spaces, deliberate intimidation, stalking, following, harassing
photography or recording, sustained disruption of talks or other
events, inappropriate physical contact, and unwelcome sexual
attention. Participants asked to stop any harassing behavior are
expected to comply immediately."

Greg: would this address your concerns?

[1] http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy

Regards,

Galen

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Riley Childs  wrote:
>
> In your opinion, how should it read?
> Riley Childs
> Senior
> Charlotte United Christian Academy
> Library Services Administrator
> IT Services
> (704) 497-2086
> rileychilds.net
> @rowdychildren
> 
> From: glaws<mailto:glaw...@rhcl.org>
> Sent: ‎9/‎26/‎2014 4:17 PM
> To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct
>
> Well, yes, that's my point really. By the simple definition given in the
> CoC every comment on the enumerated items is harassing.
>
> "Harassment includes...comments related to gender, gender identity,
> sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race or
> religion."
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
> On 09/26/2014 03:05 PM, Riley Childs wrote:
>> Overly broad? You can harass without knowing it, you are taking I in
>> the literal sense that every comment is harssing.
>>
>> Riley Childs
>> Senior
>> Charlotte United Christian Academy
>> Library Services Administrator
>> IT Services
>> (704) 497-2086
>> rileychilds.net
>> @rowdychildren
>> --------------------
>> From: glaws <mailto:glaw...@rhcl.org>
>> Sent: ‎9/‎26/‎2014 3:50 PM
>> To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz <mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>
>> Subject: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct
>>
>> I have some concerns about the Koha Community Code of Conduct posted here:
>>
>> http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/
>> <http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/>
>>
>> My specific concern is the second bullet point:
>>
>> Harassment includes, but is not limited to:
>>
>>   * ---snip---
>>   * Verbal, graphic or written comments related to gender, gender
>> identity, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body
>> size, race or religion
>>
>>
>> which seems overly broad.
>>
>> Examples
>>
>> If, during a conference breaking for lunch, I say to a group of
>> attendees "I'm Buddhist, is there a vegetarian restaurant near here?", I
>> would seem to have violated this point (verbal...comment...religion).
>>
>> Or if I'm a presenter, and I make a comment for illustrative purposes,
>> like "Just as people come in all sizes, libraries also vary in size and
>> Koha is great for all of them", have I violated the code?
>>
>> Or if I'm with a group of attendees planning on going out somewhere, and
>> I say "I have , and I can't walk with you
>> that far", is that a violation?
>>
>> I would like to suggest that the wording for this particular point
>> include something to the effect that the references must be obviously
>> negative in nature or perhaps intended to give offense to to an average
>> person _based_on_some_reasonable_standard_.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Greg Lawson
>>
>> ___
>> Koha mailing list  http://koha-community.org
>> Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz
>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
>
> --
> Greg Lawson
> Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
> 1912 N. Belt Highway
> St. Joseph, MO 64506
> 816-232-5479 x2303
>
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Re: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct

2014-09-26 Thread glaws 
Simply as a suggestion, something like the following could be modified
to fit the Koha CoC needs:

"speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such
as gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech


"..."hate speech," which is defined as utterances, displays, or
expressions of racial, religious, or sexual bias"
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Inciting,+Provocative,+or+Offensive+Speech

"Harassment includes _offensive_ verbal _comments_ related to gender,
sexual orientation, disability..."  #note "offensive"
https://us.pycon.org/2013/about/code-of-conduct/


"harassment may be broadly understood to consist of unwarranted
behaviour towards another person,...by such means as single or
successive acts of bullying, verbally or physically abusing, or
ill-treating him or her Forms of harassment covered by this code
include harassment relating to another’s sex (including gender
reassignment), sexual orientation, religion, race, or disability." 
http://www.magd.ox.ac.uk/other-policies/code-of-practice-on-harassment/
  



Greg

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On 09/26/2014 03:19 PM, Riley Childs wrote:
>
> In your opinion, how should it read?
> Riley Childs
> Senior
> Charlotte United Christian Academy
> Library Services Administrator
> IT Services
> (704) 497-2086
> rileychilds.net
> @rowdychildren
> 
> From: glaws <mailto:glaw...@rhcl.org>
> Sent: ‎9/‎26/‎2014 4:17 PM
> To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz <mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct
>
> Well, yes, that's my point really. By the simple definition given in the
> CoC every comment on the enumerated items is harassing.
>
> "Harassment includes...comments related to gender, gender identity,
> sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race or
> religion."
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
> On 09/26/2014 03:05 PM, Riley Childs wrote:
> > Overly broad? You can harass without knowing it, you are taking I in
> > the literal sense that every comment is harssing.
> >
> > Riley Childs
> > Senior
> > Charlotte United Christian Academy
> > Library Services Administrator
> > IT Services
> > (704) 497-2086
> > rileychilds.net
> > @rowdychildren
> > ------------
> > From: glaws <mailto:glaw...@rhcl.org>
> > Sent: ‎9/‎26/‎2014 3:50 PM
> > To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz <mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>
> > Subject: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct
> >
> > I have some concerns about the Koha Community Code of Conduct posted
> here:
> >
> > http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/
> > <http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/>
> >
> > My specific concern is the second bullet point:
> >
> > Harassment includes, but is not limited to:
> >
> >   * ---snip---
> >   * Verbal, graphic or written comments related to gender, gender
> > identity, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body
> > size, race or religion
> >
> >
> > which seems overly broad.
> >
> > Examples
> >
> > If, during a conference breaking for lunch, I say to a group of
> > attendees "I'm Buddhist, is there a vegetarian restaurant near here?", I
> > would seem to have violated this point (verbal...comment...religion).
> >
> > Or if I'm a presenter, and I make a comment for illustrative purposes,
> > like "Just as people come in all sizes, libraries also vary in size and
> > Koha is great for all of them", have I violated the code?
> >
> > Or if I'm with a group of attendees planning on going out somewhere, and
> > I say "I have , and I can't walk with you
> > that far", is that a violation?
> >
> > I would like to suggest that the wording for this particular point
> > include something to the effect that the references must be obviously
> > negative in nature or perhaps intended to give offense to to an average
> > person _based_on_some_reasonable_standard_.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Greg Lawson
> >
> > ___
> > Koha mailing list  http://koha-community.org
> > Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz
> > http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
>
> -- 
> Greg Lawson
> Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
> 1912 N. Belt Highway
> St. Joseph, MO 64506
> 816-232-5479 x2303
>
> ___
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816-232-5479 x2303

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Re: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct

2014-09-26 Thread glaws 
Galen:

My concern is that currently any passing comment like those in my
original post could be construed as harassing. I rather suspect that any
censure by a conference committee in the United States for me saying
"I'm Buddist, I want to eat at a vegetarian restaurant" or "I'm Muslim,
I will miss the Friday afternoon session because I go to the mosque
then." would be grounds for legal action based on freedom of speech
rights. (I realize this may not be the case in other countries).

Indeed, as I recall (probably not well), at the last KohaCon in Reno,
Nevada, a presenter mentioned that a broad range of individuals,
including a monk and the speaker himself, an athiest, had contributed
code to Koha. (Apologies if I didn't get that quite right). I believe
that speech was completely acceptable.

Any wording that indicates that harassing speech or behavior must be
negative in some connotation is fine with me. It certainly doesn't need
to be too lengthy.

Greg

As an aside, and not to clutter up the main point, I wonder about the
"social structures of domination" wording below. It certainly seems to
me that there could be a great deal of bias, discrimination and
harassment not relating to "social structures of domination". Maybe some
law library librarians reading this could say if that wording is in the
law lexicon.



---



On 09/26/2014 03:29 PM, Galen Charlton wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Looking at the current model code of conduct on the Geek Feminism wiki
> [1], I would suggest amending the sentence in question to:
>
> "Verbal, graphic or written comments that reinforce social structures
> of domination related to gender, sexual orientation, disability,
> physical appearance, body size, race or religion."
>
> The entire clause from the sample code of conduct that this draws from is:
>
> "Harassment includes verbal comments that reinforce social structures
> of domination [related to gender, gender identity and expression,
> sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race,
> age, religion, [your specific concern here]], sexual images in public
> spaces, deliberate intimidation, stalking, following, harassing
> photography or recording, sustained disruption of talks or other
> events, inappropriate physical contact, and unwelcome sexual
> attention. Participants asked to stop any harassing behavior are
> expected to comply immediately."
>
> Greg: would this address your concerns?
>
> [1] http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy
>
> Regards,
>
> Galen
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Riley Childs  
> wrote:
>> In your opinion, how should it read?
>> Riley Childs
>> Senior
>> Charlotte United Christian Academy
>> Library Services Administrator
>> IT Services
>> (704) 497-2086
>> rileychilds.net
>> @rowdychildren
>> 
>> From: glaws<mailto:glaw...@rhcl.org>
>> Sent: ‎9/‎26/‎2014 4:17 PM
>> To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>
>> Subject: Re: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct
>>
>> Well, yes, that's my point really. By the simple definition given in the
>> CoC every comment on the enumerated items is harassing.
>>
>> "Harassment includes...comments related to gender, gender identity,
>> sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race or
>> religion."
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/26/2014 03:05 PM, Riley Childs wrote:
>>> Overly broad? You can harass without knowing it, you are taking I in
>>> the literal sense that every comment is harssing.
>>>
>>> Riley Childs
>>> Senior
>>> Charlotte United Christian Academy
>>> Library Services Administrator
>>> IT Services
>>> (704) 497-2086
>>> rileychilds.net
>>> @rowdychildren
>>> 
>>> From: glaws <mailto:glaw...@rhcl.org>
>>> Sent: ‎9/‎26/‎2014 3:50 PM
>>> To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz <mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>
>>> Subject: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct
>>>
>>> I have some concerns about the Koha Community Code of Conduct posted here:
>>>
>>> http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/
>>> <http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/>
>>>
>>> My specific concern is the second bullet point:
>>>
>>> Harassment includes, but is not limited to:
>>>
>>>   * -

Re: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct

2014-09-26 Thread Viktor.Sarge 
I highly agree with the spirit of the CoC, but with this discussion I realize 
that taking the following part literally would forbid me to give people credit 
when listening to them during a KohaCon: 

"Harassment includes, but is not limited to:
[…]
• Posting (or threatening to post) other people’s personally 
identifying information.
[…]

Names are the mother of personally identifying information and since a good 
reputation is sort of the currency in a FOSS-community not being able to 
publicly give people credit seems counter productive :) I guess the paragraph 
is ment to cover giving credit, but as I read it that may be the effect(?)

Kind regards/Viktor  

Viktor Sarge
Utvecklingsledare
Regionbibliotek Halland
Kultur i Halland

TFN: 035-17 98 73
E-POST: viktor.sa...@regionhalland.se
BESÖKSADRESS: Södra vägen 9, 30180 Halmstad
WEBB: www.regionhalland.se/regionbibliotek
 


26 sep 2014 kl. 21:49 skrev glaws :

> I have some concerns about the Koha Community Code of Conduct posted here:
> 
> http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/
> 
> 
> My specific concern is the second bullet point:
> 
> Harassment includes, but is not limited to:
> 
>  * ---snip---
>  * Verbal, graphic or written comments related to gender, gender
>identity, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body
>size, race or religion
> 
> 
> which seems overly broad.
> 
> Examples
> 
> If, during a conference breaking for lunch, I say to a group of
> attendees "I'm Buddhist, is there a vegetarian restaurant near here?", I
> would seem to have violated this point (verbal...comment...religion).
> 
> Or if I'm a presenter, and I make a comment for illustrative purposes,
> like "Just as people come in all sizes, libraries also vary in size and
> Koha is great for all of them", have I violated the code?
> 
> Or if I'm with a group of attendees planning on going out somewhere, and
> I say "I have , and I can't walk with you
> that far", is that a violation?
> 
> I would like to suggest that the wording for this particular point
> include something to the effect that the references must be obviously
> negative in nature or perhaps intended to give offense to to an average
> person _based_on_some_reasonable_standard_.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Greg Lawson
> 
> ___
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Re: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct

2014-09-26 Thread glaws 
I wish I knew the background better, but a lot of the recent discussion
on Codes of Conduct I think stems from some recent problems in the
gaming community. Again, I admit my knowledge is limited, but I think it
had something to do with male gamers putting down female gamers; very
offensive words and actions were used in that situation, and the
"outing" of personally identifying information was one of the problems.

I think any reasonable person applying a reasonable standard would
realize the CoC wording as is currently stands wouldn't apply to the
examples I cited, nor to yours. It's the unreasonable factors we have to
be concerned with, and just a little modding of the wording will fix things.


Greg





On 09/26/2014 04:12 PM, viktor.sa...@regionhalland.se wrote:
> I highly agree with the spirit of the CoC, but with this discussion I realize 
> that taking the following part literally would forbid me to give people 
> credit when listening to them during a KohaCon: 
>
> "Harassment includes, but is not limited to:
> […]
>   • Posting (or threatening to post) other people’s personally 
> identifying information.
> […]
>
> Names are the mother of personally identifying information and since a good 
> reputation is sort of the currency in a FOSS-community not being able to 
> publicly give people credit seems counter productive :) I guess the paragraph 
> is ment to cover giving credit, but as I read it that may be the effect(?)
>
> Kind regards/Viktor  
>
> Viktor Sarge
> Utvecklingsledare
> Regionbibliotek Halland
> Kultur i Halland
>
> TFN: 035-17 98 73
> E-POST: viktor.sa...@regionhalland.se
> BESÖKSADRESS: Södra vägen 9, 30180 Halmstad
> WEBB: www.regionhalland.se/regionbibliotek
>  
>
>
> 26 sep 2014 kl. 21:49 skrev glaws :
>
>> I have some concerns about the Koha Community Code of Conduct posted here:
>>
>> http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/
>> 
>>
>> My specific concern is the second bullet point:
>>
>> Harassment includes, but is not limited to:
>>
>>  * ---snip---
>>  * Verbal, graphic or written comments related to gender, gender
>>identity, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body
>>size, race or religion
>>
>>
>> which seems overly broad.
>>
>> Examples
>>
>> If, during a conference breaking for lunch, I say to a group of
>> attendees "I'm Buddhist, is there a vegetarian restaurant near here?", I
>> would seem to have violated this point (verbal...comment...religion).
>>
>> Or if I'm a presenter, and I make a comment for illustrative purposes,
>> like "Just as people come in all sizes, libraries also vary in size and
>> Koha is great for all of them", have I violated the code?
>>
>> Or if I'm with a group of attendees planning on going out somewhere, and
>> I say "I have , and I can't walk with you
>> that far", is that a violation?
>>
>> I would like to suggest that the wording for this particular point
>> include something to the effect that the references must be obviously
>> negative in nature or perhaps intended to give offense to to an average
>> person _based_on_some_reasonable_standard_.
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>>
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Re: [Koha] Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct

2014-09-29 Thread Elaine Bradtke 
Would that it was as simple as:
Play nicely with others; no name-calling,  teasing, or bad language. . .
Sadly, we're not five years old anymore.

I would like to plea for clear, concise language. Especially given the
large number of Koha users whose native tongue is not English.

I might even offer to help edit it. . . though I'm not usually known for my
brevity!

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:34 PM, glaws  wrote:

> I wish I knew the background better, but a lot of the recent discussion
> on Codes of Conduct I think stems from some recent problems in the
> gaming community. Again, I admit my knowledge is limited, but I think it
> had something to do with male gamers putting down female gamers; very
> offensive words and actions were used in that situation, and the
> "outing" of personally identifying information was one of the problems.
>
> I think any reasonable person applying a reasonable standard would
> realize the CoC wording as is currently stands wouldn't apply to the
> examples I cited, nor to yours. It's the unreasonable factors we have to
> be concerned with, and just a little modding of the wording will fix
> things.
>
>
> Greg
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 09/26/2014 04:12 PM, viktor.sa...@regionhalland.se wrote:
> > I highly agree with the spirit of the CoC, but with this discussion I
> realize that taking the following part literally would forbid me to give
> people credit when listening to them during a KohaCon:
> >
> > "Harassment includes, but is not limited to:
> > […]
> >   • Posting (or threatening to post) other people’s personally
> identifying information.
> > […]
> >
> > Names are the mother of personally identifying information and since a
> good reputation is sort of the currency in a FOSS-community not being able
> to publicly give people credit seems counter productive :) I guess the
> paragraph is ment to cover giving credit, but as I read it that may be the
> effect(?)
> >
> > Kind regards/Viktor
> >
> > Viktor Sarge
> > Utvecklingsledare
> > Regionbibliotek Halland
> > Kultur i Halland
> >
> > TFN: 035-17 98 73
> > E-POST: viktor.sa...@regionhalland.se
> > BESÖKSADRESS: Södra vägen 9, 30180 Halmstad
> > WEBB: www.regionhalland.se/regionbibliotek
> >
> >
> >
> > 26 sep 2014 kl. 21:49 skrev glaws :
> >
> >> I have some concerns about the Koha Community Code of Conduct posted
> here:
> >>
> >> http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/
> >> 
> >>
> >> My specific concern is the second bullet point:
> >>
> >> Harassment includes, but is not limited to:
> >>
> >>  * ---snip---
> >>  * Verbal, graphic or written comments related to gender, gender
> >>identity, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body
> >>size, race or religion
> >>
> >>
> >> which seems overly broad.
> >>
> >> Examples
> >>
> >> If, during a conference breaking for lunch, I say to a group of
> >> attendees "I'm Buddhist, is there a vegetarian restaurant near here?", I
> >> would seem to have violated this point (verbal...comment...religion).
> >>
> >> Or if I'm a presenter, and I make a comment for illustrative purposes,
> >> like "Just as people come in all sizes, libraries also vary in size and
> >> Koha is great for all of them", have I violated the code?
> >>
> >> Or if I'm with a group of attendees planning on going out somewhere, and
> >> I say "I have , and I can't walk with you
> >> that far", is that a violation?
> >>
> >> I would like to suggest that the wording for this particular point
> >> include something to the effect that the references must be obviously
> >> negative in nature or perhaps intended to give offense to to an average
> >> person _based_on_some_reasonable_standard_.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Greg Lawson
> >>
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