Re: [Koha] Request to add a new support company

[Radek Šiman]

Hello,

from now on the original domain koha.cz permanently redirects to the 
Czech koha community website. Instead, I registered a brand new domain 
name koha-v-knihovne.cz (can be read as "koha in library"). I believe 
it's acceptable now for offering a service to the Czech libraries, but 
it still does not imply any confusion with an "official" support.


Thanks in advance for processing this request
Radek Šiman



Updated registration data follows:

Company Name: R-Bit Technology, s.r.o.
Contact Person: Radek Šiman
Contact email: i...@koha-v-knihovne.cz
Website: http://www.koha-v-knihovne.cz
Telephone: +420 604 944 755



Dne 23.03.16 v 10:18 Radek Šiman napsal(a):

Hi,

1) I know the history. Sorry, I couldn't find a better word than "a 
clone", but I believe everybody understands the background.


2) No problem with accepted (not written) standards. For the future 
I'd recommend to write them down, so the next providers have no 
problem with it. This particular case will be discussed with the Czech 
community to serve the paid service over accepted website. Would be 
http://koha.rbit.cz accepted, for instance?


3) R-Bit Technology will surely pay nicely with the rules.

To answer the bugzilla question: there are no commits / patches from 
R-Bit Technology in the official Koha repository yet. But they 
probably will this year. We have the extensions and issues on github 
repository. As I mentioned before, although it's koha related 
open-source code, it applies to the Czech republic only. I think that 
Josef Moravec or Michal Denar from the czech community can confirm the 
effort. For instance, there are two SMS drivers written for Koha 
purposes only, but they are not in CPAN yet.


Regards,
Radek Šiman

Dne 23.03.16 v 9:35 Indranil Das Gupta napsal(a):

Hi,

1) Koha-community.org is most certainly *NOT* a clone of Koha.org. 
LibLime

is not a participating member of the Koha community. Long history!

2) Accepted community standards in Koha community includes individual /
corporate members (a) not using a Koha.TLD domain (b) not using a
Koha-community.TLD and (c) if you own any then the established best
practice is to place the said TLD under the common custodianship of HLT.

3) as of now there is no specific (written) rule in Koha's project
governance that dictate paid service providers can't use k / k-c 
TLDs. Such
a situation hasn't arisen since k-c.org came together. Everyone so 
far has
played nicely together in following #2 above. However, we can always 
put it

up for vote and adopt such a rule formally as part of our community
standard.

Btw can you please point us to the URLs on Koha bugzilla that link to
patches / commits from R-bit Technology where you have contributed 
code to

the Koha upstream?

-idg
On Mar 23, 2016 1:27 PM, "Radek Šiman"  wrote:


Hi Mirko,

I'd like to ask you (and the community as well) whether the top-level
domain koha.cz is a blocking condition to be enlisted as a paid 
provider.
If yes, I will surely change it, but I like the simplicity of the 
domain

(of course). I made a research few month ago and found koha.org (ie.
LibLime), but decided to support koha-community.org clone. As some 
Czech

libraries can confirm, R-Bit Technology actively participates in open
source development of Koha extensions required in our country. So I 
don't

think there could be a real problem, because our web koha.cz explicitly
states the disclaimer at the bottom of every page and links to the 
Czech

community as well as the worldwide one. In addition, it's no problem to
extend the disclaimer above of something like "We are just a paid 
provider

not an official one".

Ragards,
Radek Šiman

Dne 18.03.16 v 9:23 Mirko Tietgen napsal(a):


Hi Radek,

it is good practise not to use national top level domains for
commercial services related to Koha ILS.

If you try other national top level domains, you will find that they
are either forwarded to koha-community.org (like koha.no), used for
noncommercial Koha user groups, not registered at all or not related
to Koha ILS.

Using a national top level domain for commercial Koha support
implies the status of an "official" Koha support provider for that
particular country, but no such thing exists.

Please consider using eg. rbit.cz for your commercial services and
forwarding koha.cz to koha-community.org or a noncommercial czech
user group.

Thank you,

Mirko


--

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mi...@abunchofthings.net
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Radek Šiman schrieb am 18.03.2016


Hello,

we'd like to ask the responsible persons to add the following record
to the list of support companies. We offer Koha support in the Czech
Republic from 2015. We help libraries with the installation and
maintenance of this ILS as well as we support growing Czech Koha
community and its development effort.

Best regards,
Radek Šiman


Company Name: R-Bit Technology, s.r.o.

Contact Person: Radek Šiman

Contact email: 

Re: [Koha] Request to add a new support company

[Paul Poulain]

Le 23/03/2016 10:18, Radek Šiman a écrit :

Hi,

Hi Radek,


1) I know the history. Sorry, I couldn't find a better word than "a 
clone", but I believe everybody understands the background.

Not everybody, probably, otherwise no-one would talk of koha.org anymore :\
2) No problem with accepted (not written) standards. For the future 
I'd recommend to write them down, so the next providers have no 
problem with it. This particular case will be discussed with the Czech 
community to serve the paid service over accepted website. Would be 
http://koha.rbit.cz accepted, for instance?
Yes, koha.rbit.cz is OK. The idea is not to let any doubt about koha != 
my company.

3) R-Bit Technology will surely pay nicely with the rules.

+1
To answer the bugzilla question: there are no commits / patches from 
R-Bit Technology in the official Koha repository yet. But they 
probably will this year. We have the extensions and issues on github 
repository. As I mentioned before, although it's koha related 
open-source code, it applies to the Czech republic only. I think that 
Josef Moravec or Michal Denar from the czech community can confirm the 
effort. For instance, there are two SMS drivers written for Koha 
purposes only, but they are not in CPAN yet.
It's fair to have local related thing. and it's better to OpenSource 
them, even if you don't submit them for being included in the official 
version. We have some french specific as well.


KOHACON invitation: have you seen that the KohaCon16 will take place in 
Thessaloniki ? Do you plan to come ? I really hope so, that will be a 
pleasure to meet you, we could discuss many many things ;-)


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Re: [Koha] Request to add a new support company

[Radek Šiman]

Hi,

1) I know the history. Sorry, I couldn't find a better word than "a 
clone", but I believe everybody understands the background.


2) No problem with accepted (not written) standards. For the future I'd 
recommend to write them down, so the next providers have no problem with 
it. This particular case will be discussed with the Czech community to 
serve the paid service over accepted website. Would be 
http://koha.rbit.cz accepted, for instance?


3) R-Bit Technology will surely pay nicely with the rules.

To answer the bugzilla question: there are no commits / patches from 
R-Bit Technology in the official Koha repository yet. But they probably 
will this year. We have the extensions and issues on github repository. 
As I mentioned before, although it's koha related open-source code, it 
applies to the Czech republic only. I think that Josef Moravec or Michal 
Denar from the czech community can confirm the effort. For instance, 
there are two SMS drivers written for Koha purposes only, but they are 
not in CPAN yet.


Regards,
Radek Šiman

Dne 23.03.16 v 9:35 Indranil Das Gupta napsal(a):

Hi,

1) Koha-community.org is most certainly *NOT* a clone of Koha.org. LibLime
is not a participating member of the Koha community. Long history!

2) Accepted community standards in Koha community includes individual /
corporate members (a) not using a Koha.TLD domain (b) not using a
Koha-community.TLD and (c) if you own any then the established best
practice is to place the said TLD under the common custodianship of HLT.

3) as of now there is no specific (written) rule in Koha's project
governance that dictate paid service providers can't use k / k-c TLDs. Such
a situation hasn't arisen since k-c.org came together. Everyone so far has
played nicely together in following #2 above. However, we can always put it
up for vote and adopt such a rule formally as part of our community
standard.

Btw can you please point us to the URLs on Koha bugzilla that link to
patches / commits from R-bit Technology where you have contributed code to
the Koha upstream?

-idg
On Mar 23, 2016 1:27 PM, "Radek Šiman"  wrote:


Hi Mirko,

I'd like to ask you (and the community as well) whether the top-level
domain koha.cz is a blocking condition to be enlisted as a paid provider.
If yes, I will surely change it, but I like the simplicity of the domain
(of course). I made a research few month ago and found koha.org (ie.
LibLime), but decided to support koha-community.org clone. As some Czech
libraries can confirm, R-Bit Technology actively participates in open
source development of Koha extensions required in our country. So I don't
think there could be a real problem, because our web koha.cz explicitly
states the disclaimer at the bottom of every page and links to the Czech
community as well as the worldwide one. In addition, it's no problem to
extend the disclaimer above of something like "We are just a paid provider
not an official one".

Ragards,
Radek Šiman

Dne 18.03.16 v 9:23 Mirko Tietgen napsal(a):


Hi Radek,

it is good practise not to use national top level domains for
commercial services related to Koha ILS.

If you try other national top level domains, you will find that they
are either forwarded to koha-community.org (like koha.no), used for
noncommercial Koha user groups, not registered at all or not related
to Koha ILS.

Using a national top level domain for commercial Koha support
implies the status of an "official" Koha support provider for that
particular country, but no such thing exists.

Please consider using eg. rbit.cz for your commercial services and
forwarding koha.cz to koha-community.org or a noncommercial czech
user group.

Thank you,

Mirko


--

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mi...@abunchofthings.net
http://koha.abunchofthings.net
http://meinkoha.de



Radek Šiman schrieb am 18.03.2016


Hello,

we'd like to ask the responsible persons to add the following record
to the list of support companies. We offer Koha support in the Czech
Republic from 2015. We help libraries with the installation and
maintenance of this ILS as well as we support growing Czech Koha
community and its development effort.

Best regards,
Radek Šiman


Company Name: R-Bit Technology, s.r.o.

Contact Person: Radek Šiman

Contact email: i...@koha.cz

Website: http://www.koha.cz

Telephone: +420 604 944 755


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Re: [Koha] Request to add a new support company

[Indranil Das Gupta]

Hi,

1) Koha-community.org is most certainly *NOT* a clone of Koha.org. LibLime
is not a participating member of the Koha community. Long history!

2) Accepted community standards in Koha community includes individual /
corporate members (a) not using a Koha.TLD domain (b) not using a
Koha-community.TLD and (c) if you own any then the established best
practice is to place the said TLD under the common custodianship of HLT.

3) as of now there is no specific (written) rule in Koha's project
governance that dictate paid service providers can't use k / k-c TLDs. Such
a situation hasn't arisen since k-c.org came together. Everyone so far has
played nicely together in following #2 above. However, we can always put it
up for vote and adopt such a rule formally as part of our community
standard.

Btw can you please point us to the URLs on Koha bugzilla that link to
patches / commits from R-bit Technology where you have contributed code to
the Koha upstream?

-idg
On Mar 23, 2016 1:27 PM, "Radek Šiman"  wrote:

> Hi Mirko,
>
> I'd like to ask you (and the community as well) whether the top-level
> domain koha.cz is a blocking condition to be enlisted as a paid provider.
> If yes, I will surely change it, but I like the simplicity of the domain
> (of course). I made a research few month ago and found koha.org (ie.
> LibLime), but decided to support koha-community.org clone. As some Czech
> libraries can confirm, R-Bit Technology actively participates in open
> source development of Koha extensions required in our country. So I don't
> think there could be a real problem, because our web koha.cz explicitly
> states the disclaimer at the bottom of every page and links to the Czech
> community as well as the worldwide one. In addition, it's no problem to
> extend the disclaimer above of something like "We are just a paid provider
> not an official one".
>
> Ragards,
> Radek Šiman
>
> Dne 18.03.16 v 9:23 Mirko Tietgen napsal(a):
>
>> Hi Radek,
>>
>> it is good practise not to use national top level domains for
>> commercial services related to Koha ILS.
>>
>> If you try other national top level domains, you will find that they
>> are either forwarded to koha-community.org (like koha.no), used for
>> noncommercial Koha user groups, not registered at all or not related
>> to Koha ILS.
>>
>> Using a national top level domain for commercial Koha support
>> implies the status of an "official" Koha support provider for that
>> particular country, but no such thing exists.
>>
>> Please consider using eg. rbit.cz for your commercial services and
>> forwarding koha.cz to koha-community.org or a noncommercial czech
>> user group.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Mirko
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mirko Tietgen
>> mi...@abunchofthings.net
>> http://koha.abunchofthings.net
>> http://meinkoha.de
>>
>>
>>
>> Radek Šiman schrieb am 18.03.2016
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> we'd like to ask the responsible persons to add the following record
>>> to the list of support companies. We offer Koha support in the Czech
>>> Republic from 2015. We help libraries with the installation and
>>> maintenance of this ILS as well as we support growing Czech Koha
>>> community and its development effort.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Radek Šiman
>>>
>>>
>>> Company Name: R-Bit Technology, s.r.o.
>>>
>>> Contact Person: Radek Šiman
>>>
>>> Contact email: i...@koha.cz
>>>
>>> Website: http://www.koha.cz
>>>
>>> Telephone: +420 604 944 755
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Koha] Request to add a new support company

[Radek Šiman]

Hi Mirko,

I'd like to ask you (and the community as well) whether the top-level 
domain koha.cz is a blocking condition to be enlisted as a paid 
provider. If yes, I will surely change it, but I like the simplicity of 
the domain (of course). I made a research few month ago and found 
koha.org (ie. LibLime), but decided to support koha-community.org clone. 
As some Czech libraries can confirm, R-Bit Technology actively 
participates in open source development of Koha extensions required in 
our country. So I don't think there could be a real problem, because our 
web koha.cz explicitly states the disclaimer at the bottom of every page 
and links to the Czech community as well as the worldwide one. In 
addition, it's no problem to extend the disclaimer above of something 
like "We are just a paid provider not an official one".


Ragards,
Radek Šiman

Dne 18.03.16 v 9:23 Mirko Tietgen napsal(a):

Hi Radek,

it is good practise not to use national top level domains for
commercial services related to Koha ILS.

If you try other national top level domains, you will find that they
are either forwarded to koha-community.org (like koha.no), used for
noncommercial Koha user groups, not registered at all or not related
to Koha ILS.

Using a national top level domain for commercial Koha support
implies the status of an "official" Koha support provider for that
particular country, but no such thing exists.

Please consider using eg. rbit.cz for your commercial services and
forwarding koha.cz to koha-community.org or a noncommercial czech
user group.

Thank you,

Mirko


--

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mi...@abunchofthings.net
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http://meinkoha.de



Radek Šiman schrieb am 18.03.2016

Hello,

we'd like to ask the responsible persons to add the following record
to the list of support companies. We offer Koha support in the Czech
Republic from 2015. We help libraries with the installation and
maintenance of this ILS as well as we support growing Czech Koha
community and its development effort.

Best regards,
Radek Šiman


Company Name: R-Bit Technology, s.r.o.

Contact Person: Radek Šiman

Contact email: i...@koha.cz

Website: http://www.koha.cz

Telephone: +420 604 944 755


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Re: [Koha] Request to add a new support company

[Mirko Tietgen]

Hi Radek,

it is good practise not to use national top level domains for
commercial services related to Koha ILS.

If you try other national top level domains, you will find that they
are either forwarded to koha-community.org (like koha.no), used for
noncommercial Koha user groups, not registered at all or not related
to Koha ILS.

Using a national top level domain for commercial Koha support
implies the status of an "official" Koha support provider for that
particular country, but no such thing exists.

Please consider using eg. rbit.cz for your commercial services and
forwarding koha.cz to koha-community.org or a noncommercial czech
user group.

Thank you,

Mirko


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Radek Šiman schrieb am 18.03.2016
> Hello,
> 
> we'd like to ask the responsible persons to add the following record
> to the list of support companies. We offer Koha support in the Czech
> Republic from 2015. We help libraries with the installation and
> maintenance of this ILS as well as we support growing Czech Koha
> community and its development effort.
> 
> Best regards,
> Radek Šiman
> 
> 
> Company Name: R-Bit Technology, s.r.o.
> 
> Contact Person: Radek Šiman
> 
> Contact email: i...@koha.cz
> 
> Website: http://www.koha.cz
> 
> Telephone: +420 604 944 755
> 
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Re: [Koha] Request to add a new support company

[Mike D.]

Hello,
Czech Koha comunity use domans http://koha-community.cz
  and http://knihovni-system-koha.cz/
Rbit cooperate with our local community, so we can make some deal about
koha.cz domain.
I hope so.

Take care

Mike

pá 18. 3. 2016 v 9:24 odesílatel Mirko Tietgen 
napsal:

> Hi Radek,
>
> it is good practise not to use national top level domains for
> commercial services related to Koha ILS.
>
> If you try other national top level domains, you will find that they
> are either forwarded to koha-community.org (like koha.no), used for
> noncommercial Koha user groups, not registered at all or not related
> to Koha ILS.
>
> Using a national top level domain for commercial Koha support
> implies the status of an "official" Koha support provider for that
> particular country, but no such thing exists.
>
> Please consider using eg. rbit.cz for your commercial services and
> forwarding koha.cz to koha-community.org or a noncommercial czech
> user group.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mirko
>
>
> --
>
> Mirko Tietgen
> mi...@abunchofthings.net
> http://koha.abunchofthings.net
> http://meinkoha.de
>
>
>
> Radek Šiman schrieb am 18.03.2016
> > Hello,
> >
> > we'd like to ask the responsible persons to add the following record
> > to the list of support companies. We offer Koha support in the Czech
> > Republic from 2015. We help libraries with the installation and
> > maintenance of this ILS as well as we support growing Czech Koha
> > community and its development effort.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Radek Šiman
> >
> >
> > Company Name: R-Bit Technology, s.r.o.
> >
> > Contact Person: Radek Šiman
> >
> > Contact email: i...@koha.cz
> >
> > Website: http://www.koha.cz
> >
> > Telephone: +420 604 944 755
> >
> >
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[Koha] Request to add a new support company

[Radek Šiman]

Hello,

we'd like to ask the responsible persons to add the following record to 
the list of support companies. We offer Koha support in the Czech 
Republic from 2015. We help libraries with the installation and 
maintenance of this ILS as well as we support growing Czech Koha 
community and its development effort.


Best regards,
Radek Šiman


Company Name: R-Bit Technology, s.r.o.

Contact Person: Radek Šiman

Contact email: i...@koha.cz

Website: http://www.koha.cz

Telephone: +420 604 944 755


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