[Koha-bugs] [Bug 12824] Create a general purpose koha-config script?

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[Koha-bugs] [Bug 12824] Create a general purpose koha-config script?

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--- Comment #5 from Viktor Sarge viktor.sa...@regionhalland.se ---
 As for a GUI, that's not likely to happen. A text UI is fine (debconf-esque
 or something), but we're not going to ever be depending on a GUI subsystem
 for a server, servers shouldn't have a GUI.

I'm not expecting any experienced Koha admins to approve of a GUI :) I must
however confess that running my dev install on a regular desktop Debian while
trying to learn what's under the hood makes it easier. So my thought was that a
script would be good for actual admins that just wants to make shure things are
correct, editing the files directly good for those who like to tinker with
stuff and a GUI for real newbies coming from windows who just want to edit the
settings on a test install without becoming friends with the terminal first. 

The suggestion was based on my interest in lowering the barriers for
IT-librarians evaluating Koha as an alternative to proprietary systems since
the very rarely has spent any real time in the terminal of a *nix OS. The same
goes for most IT-departments here who refuse to touch anything that not MS. 

I'll back off on this now and enjoy watching the creation of a useful tool that
I'll gladly use myself. 

@Indranil Interactive mode sound great. I guess that the day I can create a GUI
wrapper myself I will find no use for it :)

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--- Comment #1 from Magnus Enger mag...@enger.priv.no ---
Setting this straight to in discussion :-)

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--- Comment #2 from Viktor Sarge viktor.sa...@regionhalland.se ---
 Would this just be a lot of work for little gain, or could it be a nice
 addition for making the threshold lower for inexperienced admins?

As an inexperienced admin I'm listening here and approve of all initiatives to
make my life easier. However I must confess that even if I'm used to coding I
never really took a liking to CLI. The really helpful thing would be to have a
GUI that knows all the allowed values and lets me manipulate the settings and
making shure they are saved in a valid format. I suspect there are interface
libraries floating around on Cpan that take an XML file as input and creates
something basic but functional(?)

To be honest I was glad to leave the CLI of C64 for Amiga workbench. Not much
cred in that, but the truth :) And over here most IT-librarians will be raised
on MS-products.

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--- Comment #3 from Indranil Das Gupta indr...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Magnus Enger from comment #0)
 Could we create a general purpose config editing script, at least for the
 config part of koha-conf.xml, instead of having specific scripts for lots
 of different config settings? If we added a (e.g.) YAML file with some
 metadata about the different setttings (a description, what kind of data it
 should contain), we could perhaps have a friendly tool that could 

+1 

it makes sense. something like this will also allow us to have an unified
sanity check / reporting on the config.

 There could even be an interactive mode (sudo koha-config -i instancename)
 which would display something like a numbered list of current settings, let
 the user choose one and prompt for input, validate the input, display the
 changed setting etc. 

I was thinking, the default `sudo koha-config` could be the interactive mode
ala python.

@Viktor: while ^^^ not being a GUI, Magnus's suggestion of an interactive mode
actually does pretty much what you are asking. Of course, if anyone volunteers,
wrapping a dialog / gdialog / zenity wrapper around the bash script will give
you the GUI :-)

-indra

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--- Comment #4 from Robin Sheat ro...@catalyst.net.nz ---
I like the idea of a CLI editor/querier for the config. As much as I'm not as
anti-XML as many people, I don't think it's the sort of thing that should be
hand edited if possible.

I'll quibble over details a bit (e.g., they should behave like UNIX commands
and be idempotent where possible, whereas your examples aren't, also shouldn't
be interactive unless you explicitly ask) but overall it's worthwhile.

One this this would lend itself to nicely is automatic configuration, via
puppet or such.

We might also want an XML schema to describe the config, and we can validate
the user input against that perhaps. (Similar to the YAML idea, but it can be
used to validate the resulting file in total.)

It could be worth looking to the tools that modify the gconf registry for
examples on how things should work, as they perform a similar task. gconftool
and friends, although they're probably more complicated than we need.

As for a GUI, that's not likely to happen. A text UI is fine (debconf-esque or
something), but we're not going to ever be depending on a GUI subsystem for a
server, servers shouldn't have a GUI.

Also, rather than referring people to koha-enable-plugins etc., it should
probably subsume them to keep things consistent.

Other things to hash out are what happens to elements that can be repeated,
nested, and so on.

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