KR> Nvaero

[tommy waymack]

Steve,I get it.Sounds like you made a good call to me.Tommy W.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Joe Davis via KRnet 
wrote:

> On 09/02/2014 05:43 AM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote:
>
>>
>> ML at N56ML.com
>> website at http://www.N56ML.com 
>> 
>> Well said !!!
>>
>>
>>
>

KR> Nvaero

[James Duff]

Gents,

Let's not this escalate out of hand. I know we've spoken on the phone Steve and 
I know you're a good guy who works hard. Things do take a longer time may at 
first be expected from the outside though which is ok when one knows about it 
before hand but can worry a new customer not familiar with the pace of the KR 
"scene".

For what it's worth, I think it was a reasonable question from the customer and 
my personal opinion is that you perhaps reacted a little too drastically at 
first although I know you have your reasons. I think maybe the guy just wanted 
assurance that nvAero is all above board.

I really don't think it needs to get the the point of anyone being excluded or 
indeed you throwing in the towel.

Genuine best wishes intended to all :)

Jamie


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 Original message From: "Steve G. via KRnet" 
 Date:02/09/2014  14:35  (GMT+00:00) 
To: 'Mark Langford' ,'KRnet'  Cc:  Subject: Re: KR> Nvaero 

-Original Message-

"Mark" wrote

>Let's face it...KR builders are the world's cheapest aircraft builders by
definition.  >You don't go into the KR business with any hope of making a
profit...you do it to >support other builders.

 
Yeah, I've just about had enough I don't day much on here because A - I
don't have time for the BS and B - I don't always have nice things to say.
Please do not mistake my "good natured demeanor" as internet courage, I can
assure you it is not.  If you meet me I am very congenial and play well with
others until someone decides to change the rules. Then stand by...  

I do this mess because I believe in what the design stands for.  A dirt
simple design that performs well and allows the average joe to build and fly
his own plane. The majority of people who select this design isn't because
it is necessarily the best plane out there, but it is what we can afford and
certainly the best bang for the buck hands down!

What people don't realize is the KR business DOES NOT pay for itself!  I am
out of pocket every month for the size of hangar and expenses it takes to
keep this thing going. I am the primary one fabricating or orchestrating the
parts for orders since my Nephew/ business partner was stationed elsewhere
with the military so things are a bit slowing to be fulfilled than I would
like. I am fortunate enough to have Marc Baca to let me abuse him around the
hangar for all kinds of tasks that I just can't get to. 

If you have ordered from our website (which is a little outdated due to time
constraints since I have to do that too!) you receive an immediate order
confirmation in your email. When the order is being fulfilled or being
shipped I have to go into the back office and update the status manually.
Sometimes I just don't have time which I will get to shortly. Plans are a
whole other dynamic. 

When I can I take phone calls but mostly I am at work on my real job. People
bitch about not being able to contact us but seldom or NEVER leave a
message.  Emails work better.  Sometimes I miss those and it takes me a bit
to get through them. I can tell you that a nasty message will get you
nowhere fast with me. Those who know me can vouch for my lack of political
correctness.  

My Life - Not a sob story as I have done it mostly to myself.  I run 3
companies, 4 if you count nV Aero. I have a construction firm, environmental
testing and remediation firm, and commercial/ residential property
inspection company. I personally do between 25 - 40 property inspections a
month. Environmental inspections and remediation vary, and I currently have
3 sizable construction projects going with three in the wings that would
like me to start yesterday. I put on between 100 - 150 miles a day on my
truck that gets around 10 - 12 MPG due to the size I need for work. I have
taxes, payroll, insurance, writing proposals, invoicing, babysitting
employees, and a host of other crap to deal with on a daily basis. And to
top it off, for the past several months I'm spending far more time at the VA
hospital than I care to. 

Then we have nV Aero. We started this thing thinking we could actually bring
the KR back to life. Our intention was to improve things that needed
improvement, add some new products, and generally support the KR builders
who needed parts and supplies. We have had our share of road blocks along
the way. We were flooded out multiple times losing thousands of dollars in
equipment, parts and tooling before moving to Chino. Most would have closed
up. I'm either stupid or too stubborn (you decide) to give up so we pushed
on. We have a build out only partially completed in our hangar since we
spend more time making or fulfilling parts orders when I can be there. We
have people offering to provide parts copied from our tooling, assholes
selling .pdf plans out of Texas, Canada, and Russia, and people on this net
suggesting to people they buy those products.  Do you really think this 

KR> In support of Steve and NVAero

[Gary Wold]

I agree that it is time to put this thread to bed but I am hoping the
moderator will grant me one more comment on the subject.



I can no longer just sit on my thumbs here.  In support to of Steve, I need
to share my recent experience.



First, I am one of those people who have been waiting for plans  (ordered
Aug 6) and I am embarrassed to say that I 'jumped' Steve via e-mail a week
after ordering.  Having had some personal pressures the past few months that
put my stress level sky high inappropriately added fuel to the situation but
were in no way any fault of  Steve's.  Since that time I have apologized
multiple times and I am very thankful Steve did not choose to not do
business with me.  If the roles were reversed I'm not so sure I would have
been that kind.



Guys, I really believe that if anyone having a concern with an order were to
contact Steve directly they would quickly find as I did that he is a
stand-up guy.  From Steve and Mark Langford I learned the back story of what
Steve must and is going  through to get plans and parts out.  How it is he
continues to do this business I do not know but I can tell you that a lesser
person would have thrown in the towel a long time ago.  While I am not sure
that it is my place to share the details, I can tell you that I would never
have imagined it.



I think all of us should be thankful we have a person willing to serve the
KR community as Steve does.  Let's give the poor guy some slack already!
I'm sure we will all receive our orders when Steve is able to get them out
but let's not drive him over the edge in the meantime.



Thanks





Gary Wold

KR> Nvaero

[Joe Davis]

On 09/02/2014 05:43 AM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote:
>
> ML at N56ML.com
> website at http://www.N56ML.com
> 
> Well said !!!
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KR> Pushrods

[Paul Visk]

After getting input from some vary smart people here on the board. ?I have 
decided to rip my elivator control system out and start over.?
Looking at the Wicks catalog I'm vary overwhelmed of the selection and prices 
?of control fittings.?
Does anyone have a good design of a pushrod that won't brake the bank and 
doesn't weight alot and pass my DAR scrutiny?

Paul Visk
Belleville Il
618 406 4705

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