KR> Not pilots, but have a structural question for a KR2S
A paint job every two years would help, Virg On 9/7/2015 11:38 AM, billjacobs386 at yahoo.com via KRnet wrote: > > > > > > > Not off hand, but someone may know of a source. I have seen KR,s that > have been left outside to the point where they are only wall hanging > material. Maybe someone reading this knows??Good luck > Bill Jacobs > > > -- Original message--From: inquire via KRnet Date: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 > 9:49 PMTo: krnet at list.krnet.org;Cc: inquire;Subject:Re: KR> Not pilots, > but have a structural question for a KR2SDo you know where one like this > could be found?Stephen Teel -Original Message-From: billjacobs386 at > yahoo.com via KRnet To: krnet Cc: billjacobs386 Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 5:50 > pmSubject: Re: KR> Not pilots, but have a structural question for a KR2S > Maybe trade it for a non functioning look a like. Aka. Standin.Bill > Jacobs-- Original message--From: inquire via KRnet Date:Sun, Sep 6, > 2015 6:43 PMTo: krnet at list.krnet.org;Cc: inquire;Subject:Re: KR> > Notpilots, but have a structural question for a KR2SThanks Tony. The > mounting willhave to be outdoors, what can we do to protect the composite, > and how long untilthe damage starts to go beyond easily reparable in this > north Texas climate? Wewill do no irreparable damage. -Original > Message-From: Tony King viaKRnet To: KRnet Cc: Tony King Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 5:25 pmSubject: Re: KR> Notpilots, but have a structural question for a KR2SIf you came up with a structurethat had the aircraft still sitting onitslanding gear (or with brackets of somesort attached to the axles)you'dhave to expect it wouldn't do any damage to theaircraft. Anarrangementthat somehow attached to the upper landing gear mountpointsprobably wouldwork OK as well, but would be much harder to implementwithoutat leastminor (repairable) damage.You could pote ntially hang it fromthewing attach fittings and tailwheelas well. There's a gap between theouterwing panel and the centre section(which may have a gap seal over it) whereacable could be attached. Thefront WAFs are probably pretty close to thecentreof gravity though, so asandbag somewhere down the back might be a goodidea inthat case.Also keep in mind that the composite construction doesn'tage well ifit'ssituated outdoors.Cheers,TonyOn 7 September 2015at 07:11, inquire via KRnetwrote:>>> > Helloto All,>> Per the subject line, we are not pilots, and untilrecently > hadno> knowledge of this beautiful plane. We do however, have > anappreciationfor> beautiful, cool design in anything. Don't know if > oursituation/questionis> unique for any of you or not.>> We have acquired, we > weretold, a complete KR2S built by Kenneth> Rand(no engine). We would > love todisplaythis piece of art and for it to> attract attention to, and > entry into,ourartist's co-op in an historic> dist rict of McKinney, TX. We > will do NOdamagethis plane in any display> decision that we reach. We would > like todisplay itas one would a model> plane on a desk or shelf, and so that > no onecould sitor place their> children on it.> We would, of course, display > a historyofthe plane to educate visitors.> Our question is: are there > structurallysafeways to mount this plane in> that manner?>> Your response is > eagerlyawaitedby us both,> Stephen & Jeannette Teel,> 1408 > MarigoldDrive>214-797-1729>>_ __> Searchthe KRnet Archives athttp://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.> To UNsubscribefrom KRnet, send amessage to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org> please see other KRnetinfo athttp://www.krnet.org/info.html>seehttp://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org tochange>options>___Search theKRnetArchives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.To UNsubscribefromKRnet, send a messa ge to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.orgplease see other KRnetinfoathttp://www.krnet.org/info.htmlseehttp://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.orgto change options ___Search theKRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.To UNsubscribe fromKRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.orgplease see other KRnet infoat http://www.krnet.org/info.htmlseehttp://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to changeoptions_ __Search the KRnetArchives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.To UNsubscribe fromKRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.orgplease see other KRnet infoat http://www.krnet.org/info.htmlseehttp://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ___Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.orgplease see other KRnet
KR> Any News about KR Gathering
> >We decided not to decide about the site for next years KR >gathering. A vote was taken, and rather than selecting a site, we >are going to invite anyone interested in hosting to make a >presentation on the KRNet to host the Gathering, then will run a >Survey to see which site wins. Additionally, we will put together a >steering committee to help manage the funds and future >gatherings. Right now, the definitions is a bit nebulous, but the >concept was passed on a voice vote. >-Jeff Scott Jeff pretty much summed it up. I'll add a bit between the lines. There was considerable reluctance for anyone to volunteer to head a "steering committee" so Mark Langford conceded to take on the task. He asked that I be on the committee and as I recall, John Bouyea and possibly Dan Prichard. I don't recall exactly and didn't take notes so may be wrong. Mark is on vacation with family all this week so I'm hoping we don't hear from him but hope he is enjoying time with family. Mark volunteered to take input from netters at his e-mail address ( ml at n56ml.com ) concerning offers to host next years Gathering, vote on location, and offer ideas on whether the group should form a legal entity with officers or not. Please DO NOT CLUTTER THE KRNET WITH THESE POST. Until or unless Mark changes the process, address all post to Mark's e-mail address ( ml at n56ml.com ) with subject: 2016 Gathering. Mark can easily separate these post and keep them in a file and easily forward them to the steering committee members. Follow this process if you want your input to be considered. The committee will screen any invitations to host the Gathering and ask netters to cast their vote when a list is put together. Mark is already a very busy person so let's not make the task more difficult. I'm sure you'll get a post on the net when the steering committee is formalized and ready to accept input. Thanks to all Larry Flesner
KR> Not pilots, but have a structural question for a KR2S
Thanks guys! Do either of you know who manufactures the composite fiberglass? Or the specific name for the composite? Thanks again. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2015, at 20:49, Tony King via KRnet wrote: > > That would help with UV degradation, but not with water ingress. > > TK > > On 8 September 2015 at 11:47, Virgil N. Salisbury via KRnet < > krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > >>A paint job every two years would help, Virg > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> Any News about KR Gathering
Would someone like to post information about the KR Gathering. Awards, attendees, photos, where will the Gathering be held next year etc. if someone has already done that, I'm not receiving it. Thank You In Advance Larry H
KR> KR performance numbers
Larry, When I had my KR-1 (around 400# e.w.), I came pretty close to the takeoff and landing performance as advertised (1700 cc VW), but certainly not anywhere close to 180 mph cruise (125-135 cruise). Ed Janssen Along the same lines, I sure wish someone would fess up and give the "REAL" performance numbers in advertising the KR aircraft. Takeoff in 350 feet, land in 650 feet, 180 mph cruise, really? Really.??? I've been to 25 of the last 26 KR Gatherings and have yet to witness such awesome performance. Larry Flesner
KR> KR performance numbers
Larry, When I had my KR-1 (around 400# e.w.), I came pretty close to the takeoff and landing performance as advertised (1700 cc VW), but certainly not anywhere close to 180 mph cruise (125-135 cruise). Ed Janssen Along the same lines, I sure wish someone would fess up and give the "REAL" performance numbers in advertising the KR aircraft. Takeoff in 350 feet, land in 650 feet, 180 mph cruise, really? Really.??? I've been to 25 of the last 26 KR Gatherings and have yet to witness such awesome performance. Larry Flesner
KR> Not pilots, but have a structural question for a KR2S
Not off hand, but someone may know of a source. I have seen KR,s that have been left outside to the point where they are only wall hanging material. Maybe someone reading this knows??Good luck Bill Jacobs -- Original message--From: inquire via KRnet Date: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 9:49 PMTo: krnet at list.krnet.org;Cc: inquire;Subject:Re: KR> Not pilots, but have a structural question for a KR2SDo you know where one like this could be found?Stephen Teel -Original Message-From: billjacobs386 at yahoo.com via KRnet To: krnet Cc: billjacobs386 Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 5:50 pmSubject: Re: KR> Not pilots, but have a structural question for a KR2SMaybe trade it for a non functioning look a like. Aka. Standin.Bill Jacobs-- Original message--From: inquire via KRnet Date:Sun, Sep 6, 2015 6:43 PMTo: krnet at list.krnet.org;Cc: inquire;Subject:Re: KR> Notpilots, but have a structural question for a KR2SThanks Tony. The mounting willhave to be outdoors, what can we do to protect the composite, and how long untilthe damage starts to go beyond easily reparable in this north Texas climate? Wewill do no irreparable damage. -Original Message-From: Tony King viaKRnet To: KRnet Cc: Tony King Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 5:25 pmSubject: Re: KR> Notpilots, but have a structural question for a KR2SIf you came up with a structurethat had the aircraft still sitting onitslanding gear (or with brackets of somesort attached to the axles)you'dhave to expect it wouldn't do any damage to theaircraft. Anarrangementthat somehow attached to the upper landing gear mountpointsprobably wouldwork OK as well, but would be much harder to implementwithoutat leastminor (repairable) damage.You could pote ntially hang it fromthewing attach fittings and tailwheelas well. There's a gap between theouterwing panel and the centre section(which may have a gap seal over it) whereacable could be attached. Thefront WAFs are probably pretty close to thecentreof gravity though, so asandbag somewhere down the back might be a goodidea inthat case.Also keep in mind that the composite construction doesn'tage well ifit'ssituated outdoors.Cheers,TonyOn 7 September 2015at 07:11, inquire via KRnetwrote: Helloto All,>> Per the subject line, we are not pilots, and untilrecently hadno> knowledge of this beautiful plane. We do however, have anappreciationfor> beautiful, cool design in anything. Don't know if oursituation/questionis> unique for any of you or not.>> We have acquired, we weretold, a complete KR2S built by Kenneth> Rand(no engine). We would love todisplaythis piece of art and for it to> attract attention to, and entry into,ourartist's co-op in an historic> dist rict of McKinney, TX. We will do NOdamagethis plane in any display> decision that we reach. We would like todisplay itas one would a model> plane on a desk or shelf, and so that no onecould sitor place their> children on it.> We would, of course, display a historyofthe plane to educate visitors.> Our question is: are there structurallysafeways to mount this plane in> that manner?>> Your response is eagerlyawaitedby us both,> Stephen & Jeannette Teel,> 1408 MarigoldDrive>214-797-1729>>___> Searchthe KRnet Archives athttp://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.> To UNsubscribefrom KRnet, send amessage to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org> please see other KRnetinfo athttp://www.krnet.org/info.html>seehttp://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org tochange>options>___Search theKRnetArchives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.To UNsubscribefromKRnet, send a messa ge to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.orgplease see other KRnetinfoathttp://www.krnet.org/info.htmlseehttp://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.orgto change options ___Search theKRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.To UNsubscribe fromKRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.orgplease see other KRnet infoat http://www.krnet.org/info.htmlseehttp://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to changeoptions___Search the KRnetArchives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.To UNsubscribe fromKRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.orgplease see other KRnet infoat http://www.krnet.org/info.htmlseehttp://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ___Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.orgplease see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.htmlsee http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> Trip pictures
If I didn't have things waiting on me back home I would have rather stayed in Oregon. It's the worst time of year in SoCal, as those who attended last year's Gathering will know. So cool and beautiful up there. So dry and hot down here. It's "Santa Ana" time in this part of the world and doesn't look like we're getting a break until a week from now when it's predicted to drop into the mid 80's. I want to move to Oregon. http://1drv.ms/1Uxv3lz Mike KSEE
KR> KR Coverage in Oz Flight Safety Magazine
http://www.flightsafetyaustralia.com/2015/09/into-the-woods/
KR> kr2S for display
Seems to me that Ken was killed several years before the 2S plans were developed. Along the same lines, I sure wish someone would fess up and give the "REAL" performance numbers in advertising the KR aircraft. Takeoff in 350 feet, land in 650 feet, 180 mph cruise, really? Really.??? I've been to 25 of the last 26 KR Gatherings and have yet to witness such awesome performance. Larry Flesner
KR> kr2S for display
Yes, Ken was killed a long time before the 2S was developed. Sparky Sparks -Original Message- From: Flesner via KRnet Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 12:19 PM To: KRnet Cc: Flesner Subject: KR> kr2S for display Seems to me that Ken was killed several years before the 2S plans were developed. Along the same lines, I sure wish someone would fess up and give the "REAL" performance numbers in advertising the KR aircraft. Takeoff in 350 feet, land in 650 feet, 180 mph cruise, really? Really.??? I've been to 25 of the last 26 KR Gatherings and have yet to witness such awesome performance. Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> Not pilots, but have a structural question for a KR2S
Re: "We have acquired, we were told, a complete KR2S built by Kenneth Rand(no engine" Have you verified who built this plane? If it was actually built by Ken Rand it should be in a museum (indoors) as it would be a piece of aviation history. Does it have a data plate on it or did you receive any documentation with it. I can't recall a KR2S being completed by Ken, (That would not be the only thing I haven't recalled), but I am sure someone on this list will know. Rich Hartwig
KR> Not pilots, but have a structural question for a KR2S
If you came up with a structure that had the aircraft still sitting on its landing gear (or with brackets of some sort attached to the axles) you'd have to expect it wouldn't do any damage to the aircraft. An arrangement that somehow attached to the upper landing gear mount points probably would work OK as well, but would be much harder to implement without at least minor (repairable) damage. You could potentially hang it from the wing attach fittings and tailwheel as well. There's a gap between the outer wing panel and the centre section (which may have a gap seal over it) where a cable could be attached. The front WAFs are probably pretty close to the centre of gravity though, so a sandbag somewhere down the back might be a good idea in that case. Also keep in mind that the composite construction doesn't age well if it's situated outdoors. Cheers, Tony On 7 September 2015 at 07:11, inquire via KRnet wrote: > > > > Hello to All, > > Per the subject line, we are not pilots, and until recently had no > knowledge of this beautiful plane. We do however, have an appreciation for > beautiful, cool design in anything. Don't know if our situation/question is > unique for any of you or not. > > We have acquired, we were told, a complete KR2S built by Kenneth > Rand(no engine). We would love to display this piece of art and for it to > attract attention to, and entry into, our artist's co-op in an historic > district of McKinney, TX. We will do NO damage this plane in any display > decision that we reach. We would like to display it as one would a model > plane on a desk or shelf, and so that no one could sit or place their > children on it. > We would, of course, display a history of the plane to educate visitors. > Our question is: are there structurally safe ways to mount this plane in > that manner? > > Your response is eagerly awaited by us both, > Stephen & Jeannette Teel, > 1408 Marigold Drive > 214-797-1729 > > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
KR> Gathering
Thanks to Dan John and Pete for all the work for the gathering. Learned a many new things and had great time. Kim and I arrived back in Grand Junction around 5:30 mountain time yesterday, with just a little interesting turbulence in northern Utah and Colorado. Again thanks to all at the Gathering. Roger Bulla Grand Junction, Co. -Original Message- ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
