KR> LANDING GEAR

[samantha toner]

Hi Steve what have you now got for 350?? I don't understand 

On Monday, 22 February 2016, 17:50, Steve G. via KRnet  wrote:


 We now have a gram and gear at $350 at sets. $425 at set if you want them Cut 
to shape. If you want them faced from 1 inch to three quarters add another $25. 
If you would prefer, we can leave them at 26 inches instead of 24.

Steve Glover

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> On Feb 22, 2016, at 09:31, tinyauto via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> I drug one home to cut on and see if it would work.? It cuts about as easy as 
> any thick fiberglass but the rubber bump stops are hard to get off.? Never 
> put it on a plane but I think it would work.
> 
> Kevin Golden
> Harrisonville MO
> Streak Shadow
> 
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> Has anyone used the "plastic" spring from a Pontiac van for landing 
> gear? I
> know it is pretty heavy to start with. Can it be cut?
> 
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KR> fuel tank glassing

[Jeff Scott]

I don't know that it was Safe-T-Poxy that was the problem, but most of the 
epoxy resins have issues with alcohol.  My tanks are Safe-T-Poxy (although I 
built them) with a sloshed finish and have been in service for nearly 20 years 
now with no ill effects.  At the time that I built them, what was known about 
vinylester vs epoxy was significantly less than what is known today.  If I was 
building them today, I would use Vinylester.  

A few years ago I rebuilt a set of tip tanks from a Cherokee 235 that were made 
of polyester.  The owner claimed to have been testing his fuel for alcohol, but 
the tanks had softened to the point of them visibly deforming from the air 
pressure in flight.  I rebuilt them by cutting out the end bulkhead, and 
grinding the insides out of the tank, then building a new tank inside the tank 
by building it up and lining it with glass and West Epoxy.  The rebuilt tanks 
have been in service for close to 10 years now with no ill effects, but I 
warned the owner to only use Avgas in the tip tanks as his alcohol testing 
process seemed to be somewhat deficient.
?
Iowa is big on alcohol fuel as the alcohol production helps drive the price of 
corn, which means profits for the Iowa Farmers and local economies.  Can't 
blame them for that.  In Iowa, 85% alcohol pumps for flex fuel vehicles are 
pretty common at the gas stations.  I'm all for having 85% pumps at the gas 
stations for flex fuel vehicles.  But most of those gas stations also carry 
alcohol free premium as well.


Thanks Steve,
I don't know how many of the tanks like mine were produced or delivered but 
they will not stand up to the alcohol content of todays auto fuel. Glad to hear 
you have made the change from the Saf-t-poxy. .The tanks with the saf-T-poxy do 
not have any issue with fuels other wise, I just am of the belief that a fuel 
tank should be safe for everything.
Caution political content: I recently heard a interview in the Iowa voting that 
the guy was going to vote for whom ever supported more ethanol content in 
fuel
Joe Horton

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KR> LANDING GEAR

[Larry Flesner]

>
>I have new Grumman fiberglass gear legs. They are 26 inches long.
>Steve Glover
++

I'd suggest leaving them at 26 inches, regardless of the model you 
build.  Mine are 30 inches and with a 24 inch fuselage stretch they 
are just right.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8669.JPG

Larry Flesner

KR> LANDING GEAR

[Virgil N. Salisbury]

Check the Archives. One was from a Chevy Astro, Virg


On 2/22/2016 11:17 AM, ol' weirdo via KRnet wrote:
> Has anyone used the "plastic" spring from a Pontiac van for landing gear? I
> know it is pretty heavy to start with. Can it be cut?
>
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KR> LANDING GEAR

[tinyauto]

I drug one home to cut on and see if it would work. ?It cuts about as easy as 
any thick fiberglass but the rubber bump stops are hard to get off. ?Never put 
it on a plane but I think it would work.

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville MO
Streak Shadow


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 Original message From: ol' weirdo via KRnet 
 Date:02/22/2016  10:17 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org Cc: ol' weirdo  Subject: KR> LANDING GEAR 
Has anyone used the "plastic" spring from a Pontiac van for landing gear? 
I
know it is pretty heavy to start with. Can it be cut?

Bill Weir

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KR> LANDING GEAR

[ol' weirdo]

Has anyone used the "plastic" spring from a Pontiac van for landing gear? I
know it is pretty heavy to start with. Can it be cut?

Bill Weir

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KR> fuel tank glassing

[n357cj]

Thanks Steve,
I don't know how many of the tanks like mine were produced or delivered but 
they will not stand up to the alcohol content of todays auto fuel. Glad to hear 
you have made the change from the Saf-t-poxy. .The tanks with the saf-T-poxy do 
not have any issue with fuels other wise, I just am of the belief that a fuel 
tank should be safe for everything.
   Caution political content: I recently heard a interview in the Iowa voting 
that the guy was going to vote for whom ever supported more ethanol content in 
fuel
Joe Horton

- Original Message -
From: "Steve G. via KRnet" 


Joe,

We primarily only use vinyl-ester now on the tanks we provide unless
requested otherwise.  We have also used Jeffco Epoxy (now Rhino) with good
results. We have had a test sample sitting in Fuel with alcohol for several
years at Richard Shirley's with no deterioration. All my personal tanks have
been built using the Jeffco. They also have a coating that can be painted on
or sloshed during construction and is impervious to the alcohol. Lancair
recommends using it during the construction of their tanks. 

Steve Glover




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KR> LANDING GEAR

[Steve G.]

We now have a gram and gear at $350 at sets. $425 at set if you want them Cut 
to shape. If you want them faced from 1 inch to three quarters add another $25. 
If you would prefer, we can leave them at 26 inches instead of 24.

Steve Glover

Sent from my electronic leash. 

> On Feb 22, 2016, at 09:31, tinyauto via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> I drug one home to cut on and see if it would work.  It cuts about as easy as 
> any thick fiberglass but the rubber bump stops are hard to get off.  Never 
> put it on a plane but I think it would work.
> 
> Kevin Golden
> Harrisonville MO
> Streak Shadow
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung Mobile.
> 
>  Original message From: ol' weirdo via KRnet 
>  Date:02/22/2016  10:17 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org Cc: ol' weirdo  gmail.com> Subject: KR> LANDING GEAR 
> Has anyone used the "plastic" spring from a Pontiac van for landing 
> gear? I
> know it is pretty heavy to start with. Can it be cut?
> 
> Bill Weir
> 
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KR> fuel tank glassing

[Robert7721]

Joe,


The fumes are the only real reason. When I built my fuel tank, the garage I was 
building it in was right below my bedroom. My wife was not pleased with the 
smell, and I didn't like it my either. It was a couple days before we could 
breath again. I am convinced West System will work with non-ethanol fuel 
because it is what I used to seal the edges and seams when it started leaking 
and has never leaked since. Luckily, I've pretty much manged to stay away from 
ethanol, but have heard enough horror story's form others to get the the point. 


Thanks,


Rob



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From: n357cj 
To: Robert7721 
Cc: krnet 
Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2016 6:10 am
Subject: Re: KR> fuel tank glassing

Rob,
Is the only reason that you would not use the Vinyl ester because of the fumes? 
I have tanks in 357cj made of both vinyl ester and saf-t-poxy (I think I 
recall) The wing tanks are the vinyl ester and never been a problem with any 
and all types of fuel. But the header tank that I got from Rand Robinson was 
made with saf-t-poxy that is supposed to be for fuel. The first time I had to 
use auto fuel with ethanol it eroded the epoxy of the interior of the tank to 
the point that there was a coating through the entire intake system. I only 
discovered it before an accident because the aerocarb slide was sticking. I had 
to cut open the header tank and re-coat the entire interior. (you could 
actually see where the fuel level had been while the ethanol fuel was in the 
tank) The intake system was dismantled and cleaned. The combustion chambers 
appeared to be OK as it probably burned the resin up. The fuel was only in the 
tank for about 5 days before being used up and replenished with av-gas. The 
fuel that did the damage was 5 gal of Sunoco 93 oct. which was the only thing 
that i could get at the end of the day on a Sunday on the way home from the 
Tennessee gathering.
I do not know if the west system would hold up to fuels although it has not 
harmed the skins of 357cj in any way that I am aware of.
The header tank I am making now is being made from a solid block of foam shaped 
to the configuration that fits under the foreword deck. That is why I am not 
using the 1/4" last-o-foam as the shape is not conducive to flat sides. The  
flat sided type of construction is what I did use on the wing tanks of 357CJ. 
14 years ago.
Joe Horton

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From: "Robert7721" 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Cc: n357cj at ptd.net
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 4:35:23 PM
Subject: Re: KR> fuel tank glassing

Joe,


That is pretty close to what I did, see my details at web site;


http://www.robert7721.com/fuel_tank.html


1/4" Lastofoam. Two layers on the inside, one on the outside. I did not do the 
deck cloth on the inside, but I did squeegee in a batch of resin into the weeve 
after the two inside layers were dry. It seemed to work fine. Only issue I had 
was the bottom not sealing quite right. I did have to pour some epoxy into it 
later to seal the edges/corners.  


I would not use vinyl ester again. I'm sure the West System would do just fine. 
You never want to put fuel with ethanol in it, regardless of construction.


Thanks,


Rob Schmitt
Kansas City









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From: n357cj via KRnet 
To: KRnet 
Cc: n357cj 
Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2016 12:34 pm
Subject: KR> fuel tank glassing

Hey guys,
Getting ready to glass the header tank that I am building from scratch. Since I 
bought the one that is in N357CJ I really did not think about how many layers 
of glass there might be in the construction. Right now I have 2 full layers of 
the 5 oz glass cut and one layer of the deck cloth on the interior of the 
layers. I am making it in a top and bottom half so I could always add layers 
inside or out before I close it up but I would like to be close in the first 
lay up. What are the opinions of the total layers of glass needed? BTW- now 
foam core just planning on glass/resin only.
Thanks,
Joe Horton

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KR> fuel tank glassing

[Steve G.]

Joe,

We primarily only use vinyl-ester now on the tanks we provide unless
requested otherwise.  We have also used Jeffco Epoxy (now Rhino) with good
results. We have had a test sample sitting in Fuel with alcohol for several
years at Richard Shirley's with no deterioration. All my personal tanks have
been built using the Jeffco. They also have a coating that can be painted on
or sloshed during construction and is impervious to the alcohol. Lancair
recommends using it during the construction of their tanks. 

Steve Glover

KR> fuel tank glassing

[n357cj]

Rob,
Is the only reason that you would not use the Vinyl ester because of the fumes? 
I have tanks in 357cj made of both vinyl ester and saf-t-poxy (I think I 
recall) The wing tanks are the vinyl ester and never been a problem with any 
and all types of fuel. But the header tank that I got from Rand Robinson was 
made with saf-t-poxy that is supposed to be for fuel. The first time I had to 
use auto fuel with ethanol it eroded the epoxy of the interior of the tank to 
the point that there was a coating through the entire intake system. I only 
discovered it before an accident because the aerocarb slide was sticking. I had 
to cut open the header tank and re-coat the entire interior. (you could 
actually see where the fuel level had been while the ethanol fuel was in the 
tank) The intake system was dismantled and cleaned. The combustion chambers 
appeared to be OK as it probably burned the resin up. The fuel was only in the 
tank for about 5 days before being used up and replenished with av-gas. The 
fuel that did the damage was 5 gal of Sunoco 93 oct. which was the only thing 
that i could get at the end of the day on a Sunday on the way home from the 
Tennessee gathering.
?? ?I do not know if the west system would hold up to fuels although it has not 
harmed the skins of 357cj in any way that I am aware of.
The header tank I am making now is being made from a solid block of foam shaped 
to the configuration that fits under the foreword deck. That is why I am not 
using the 1/4" last-o-foam as the shape is not conducive to flat sides. The  
flat sided type of construction is what I did use on the wing tanks of 357CJ. 
14 years ago.
Joe Horton

- Original Message -
From: "Robert7721" 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Cc: n357cj at ptd.net
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 4:35:23 PM
Subject: Re: KR> fuel tank glassing

Joe,


That is pretty close to what I did, see my details at web site;


http://www.robert7721.com/fuel_tank.html


1/4" Lastofoam. Two layers on the inside, one on the outside. I did not do the 
deck cloth on the inside, but I did squeegee in a batch of resin into the weeve 
after the two inside layers were dry. It seemed to work fine. Only issue I had 
was the bottom not sealing quite right. I did have to pour some epoxy into it 
later to seal the edges/corners. ?


I would not use vinyl ester again. I'm sure the West System would do just fine. 
You never want to put fuel with ethanol in it, regardless of construction.


Thanks,


Rob Schmitt
Kansas City









-Original Message-
From: n357cj via KRnet 
To: KRnet 
Cc: n357cj 
Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2016 12:34 pm
Subject: KR> fuel tank glassing

Hey guys,
Getting ready to glass the header tank that I am building from scratch. Since I 
bought the one that is in N357CJ I really did not think about how many layers 
of glass there might be in the construction. Right now I have 2 full layers of 
the 5 oz glass cut and one layer of the deck cloth on the interior of the 
layers. I am making it in a top and bottom half so I could always add layers 
inside or out before I close it up but I would like to be close in the first 
lay up. What are the opinions of the total layers of glass needed? BTW- now 
foam core just planning on glass/resin only.
Thanks,
Joe Horton

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KR> fuel tank glassing

[Jeff Scott]

Joe,

My fuel tanks were constructed in just about exactly the same manner as Rob's, 
only a few years earlier, so were constructed with Safe-T-Poxy.  There was lots 
of chatter at the time about epoxy resins not standing up to certain fuels, so 
I chose to slosh the tanks with an alcohol resistant tank sloshing compound.  
I've heard several times that the slosh compound will slough off, and that it 
has a 10 year life span, but after nearly 20 years, is still looks like new.  
Nothing has sloughed or flaked off, which perhaps may be due to the sloshing 
being done on uncontaminated virgin tanks.  My tanks have been exposed to 
alcohol a couple of times over the years, but never a steady diet of alcohol.  
I have run mogas almost exclusively for the last several years and still show 
no issues.

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM
?
---?


Joe,


That is pretty close to what I did, see my details at web site;


http://www.robert7721.com/fuel_tank.html


1/4" Lastofoam. Two layers on the inside, one on the outside. I did not do the 
deck cloth on the inside, but I did squeegee in a batch of resin into the weeve 
after the two inside layers were dry. It seemed to work fine. Only issue I had 
was the bottom not sealing quite right. I did have to pour some epoxy into it 
later to seal the edges/corners.


I would not use vinyl ester again. I'm sure the West System would do just fine. 
You never want to put fuel with ethanol in it, regardless of construction.


Thanks,


Rob Schmitt
Kansas City









-Original Message-
From: n357cj via KRnet 
To: KRnet 
Cc: n357cj 
Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2016 12:34 pm
Subject: KR> fuel tank glassing

Hey guys,
Getting ready to glass the header tank that I am building from scratch. Since I 
bought the one that is in N357CJ I really did not think about how many layers 
of glass there might be in the construction. Right now I have 2 full layers of 
the 5 oz glass cut and one layer of the deck cloth on the interior of the 
layers. I am making it in a top and bottom half so I could always add layers 
inside or out before I close it up but I would like to be close in the first 
lay up. What are the opinions of the total layers of glass needed? BTW- now 
foam core just planning on glass/resin only.
Thanks,
Joe Horton

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