Re: Réf. : KR> KRs around the world

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I flew into a gas truck 27 years ago . I'm still alive but not sane because I 
never was. That's. when I started building my KR. Bill 
Starrs, Clarkdale AZ
- Original Message - 
From: "patrusso" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Réf. : KR> KRs around the world


Serge
That's what KR flying is all about  for many of us. One giant entertaining
and often exasperating mishap after another. I wonder how we all are still
sane, alive and well! Lifes'a lark, eh?
Pat

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KR> Props

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Thanks Pedro! You one pretty smart fellow
- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:55 AM
Subject: KR> Props


Hi, the size of a prop is given as 2 numbers diameter/pitch.

In terms of maximum speed, the pitch is the important number a one inch
pitch would give 2.84 mph, so a 49in pitch prop would give a max speed of
139 mph at 3000 revs and 64in pitch gives 181 mph at 3000 revs.

VWs are normally limited to around 3400revs( in UK by PFA edict ), so a
49in prop would give me a max of 138mph. this is regardless of how big the
prop is - that's the max speed. At this speed the blades angle of attack
becomes zero, so it cannot provide any more thrust. The only way I can get
to go any faster is by increasing revs.

So given that I want ground clearance, I am limited to say 60 inch diam.

Now if you imagine a prop that is about the same width as a tape measure,
it will obviously need less energy to turn it than big fat wide blades, so
the designer has to come up with a prop that will have:-

1 have a theoretical max speed somewhat higher than the required max speed.
2 shovels sufficient air to overcome the aircraft drag at the required max
speed.
3 is not stalled at speed below the aircraft take off speed.
4 does not produce so much drag that the engine cannot produce full power
at take off speed.

I am puzzled why prop manufactures only give the diam/pitch figures for a
prop, when as explained above the prop width/cord is vitally important
when choosing a prop

I suspect that it is not that Senns & Sturba have different ways of
specing a prop, rather one makes fatter props.

Pete Diffey
St Albans, UK





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KR> Bad Language

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What was the bad language? Cesna? Beach? or one of them other 

Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Civil unrest in France

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Serge any thing you have to say about your situation is sufficiently  unique 
and interesting to justify sending to all of us . Thank 
you very much. Bill Starrs (KR1 completed) Clarkdale AZ
- Original Message - 
From: "Serge VIDAL" 
To: ; "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:04 AM
Subject: Réf. : Re: KR> Civil unrest in France


Hi, Isaac, and welcome.

300 jumps? Hmm... puts you well ahead of me, with my 30-odd static line
ones. Maybe I should try and brag about the rest of the training I got in
Saint-Cyr (that's the French equivalent of West Point)? Nah! Any position
has it's counter, and here is not the place! Don't you agree? ;-)

Don't worry. Nobody intends to turn the KR List into a political forum.
But whenever one list member happens to be in a place that makes the news
(like New Orleans recently), well, news and enlightened opinions  tend to
be welcome. Heated debates would be promptly censored by our zealous
moderator anyway, so they happen off list.

Around the world, the news media have grossly exagerated the extent of
this rioting, and misinterpreted the causes, too. So, I just tried to
explain what really happens here, from an insider's point of view.

Funny, for as long as I can emember, you're the first builder to introduce
himself by ethnicity (Incidentally, I just realized made the mistake of
revealing my 25% of Moroccan blood myself in that post, which will
probably attract a lot of prejudice, since brown is not exactly a color in
fashion!)

OK, case closed my side. Back to business. What are you building? How far
are you?

Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France





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Objet : Re: KR> Civil unrest in France



Hi guys,

I'm building in Boise Idaho, am African American by
ethniticy,  and was Army Special Forces for nearly 10
years... wounded in Panama in 89, relatively new
pilot, but have taken off 300 more times than I've
landed, so I feel comfortable with you guys.  I enjoy
the threads, it's helped me a lot, and I spend most of
my evenings soaking it up.  I'd appreciate,
respectfully, if you leave the political opinions
elsewhere, as any position has it's counter, and here
is not the place.  Don't you agree?

Isaac Milton
KR-2 ROUSEDABOUT
Boise Idaho, USA


--- Serge VIDAL  wrote:

> Hi, Phil, and all.
>
> Yep, I'm OK, the "civil unrest" is definitely not in
> my street. Pity,
> though, 'cause it would be a rare opportunity at
> taking potshots at the
> rioters! ;-)
>
> More seriously, the situation in France is quite
> simple: around all large
> cities, we have suburbs full of young Arabs and
> Africans, whose fathers
> came to France long ago when jobs were aplenty.
> There are also lots of
> illegal immigrants there, too. These guys probably
> represent more than 10%
> of the population now, although nobody knows for
> sure, because the law
> forbids to make statistics on an ethnic basis.
>
> In general, these populations failed to succeed,
> despite the faboulous
> help you get from the state (education is free, and
> of good quality;
> parents get monthly child education grants;
> unemployed people get generous
> pensions, and when these dry out, you get a "minimum
> income" grant which
> is about two thirds of minimum wages; public
> transports are heavily
> subsidised; and so on; the list is endless, as is
> the list of taxes to
> finance all that).
>
> These guys are simply not interested in becoming
> "normal" citizens, and
> blame everybody else for their failure. You don't
> let them do whatever
> they want? You're a racist, period!
>
> When France went under attack by Algerian
> terrorists, each time the police
> arrested or killed one, these guys would riot, in
> support. For the past
> ten years or so, they have celebrated on New Year's
> Eve by burning cars
> (about 500 a year). This time, the unrest has been
> triggered by the fact
> that two robbers ran away the police, hid inside an
> electrical converter
> post, and killed themselves.
>
> Make no mistake. France is not an ethnically based
> nation. We believe in
> equal citizenship and common values,  and our model
> puts the state well
> above communities. Religion and race are considered
> private matters, and
> don't get special statuses. We have always had lots
> of migrants here. Just
> look at me: father was half Spanish, half Moroccan;
> mother is Swiss. The
> guy sitting in front of me at the office is from
> Italian origin. My
> assistant is from South East Asia.
>
> But smooth integration does not seem to work with
> these guys.
>
> In short, France now houses a large hostile and
> useless population, and no
> government 

KR> I Salute you.

[billsta...@peoplepc.com]

AMEN 
- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Bray" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:19 PM
Subject: KR> I Salute you.


Hay you guys,
I know this may be out of line but this is the way I feel.
I didn't do much but I did put my ass out there to be shot at and I'm sure 
there are a lot of people
on this list that did as much or a LOT more. If this rubs you the wrong way, 
kick me off the list .
I just want to say THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY.

Steve Bray
Jackson, Tennessee



>







-- Forwarded message --
From: dehartml 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Nov 11, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: FW: I Salute you.
To: dehar...@cox.net

To all our fellow veterans,
Thanks for your service to our country!
http://www.emotionscards.com/trivia/fourthofjuly/veteransday.html
   Regards,
Liz & Mike DeHart







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KR> Loop De Loop

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Put me on the list picture of loop. Bill 
Starrs
- Original Message - 
From: "Robert L. Stone" 
To: "Brian Olson" ; "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Loop De Loop


  Brian,
   Just send it to the guys who have asked for it, I am one of them.

  Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
  rsto...@hot.rr.com


  - Original Message - 
  From: "Brian Olson" 
  To: "KRnet" 
  Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:35 PM
  Subject: Re: KR> Loop De Loop


  > Folks:
  >
  >
  > I have a copy of it ... just need to figure out a way to get it to the
  > group.  Figure attaching it isn't such a good idea.  It shows two pilots
  > doing a steep climb, then abrupt pushover to 0g for a few seconds.  Poor
  > dog, but I laugh every time I watch it.
  >
  > Open to suggestions on how to distribute it ...
  >
  > Brian Olson
  > Alpharetta, GA
  >
  > - Original Message - 
  > From: "Steve Bray" 
  > To: 
  > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:53 AM
  > Subject: KR> Loop De Loop
  >
  >
  >> Hello List
  >>
  >> Someone sent me a clip of a 150 doing a loop and a dog in the back 
floated
  >> up as they went over.
  >> It was great and I lost it. No idea who sent it and this is a shot in 
the
  >> dark. If anyone out there has it or sent it to me could you please send 
it
  >> again.
  >>
  >> Thanks,
  >> Steve Bray
  >> Jackson, Tennessee
  >>
  >>
  >>
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KR> battery had bulged

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I  HAVE A USE  CAR BATTERY FOR MY 1600 CC vw  cost $15  works fine
- Original Message - 
From: "Al Hawkins" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: KR> battery had bulged


I am using the compufire voltage regulator for Harleys designed for
sealed lead acid batteries.


-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+awh.hawkins=telus@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+awh.hawkins=telus@mylist.net] On Behalf Of
Mark Jones
Sent: October 22, 2005 6:31 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> battery had bulged


The battery is a Power Sonic
http://www.portablepower.com/items/batteries/SLA/1/Powersonic/PS-12180/P
S-12180NB/SL105/35L105S3
PS-12180NB. This is a UPS (uninteruptable power supply) type battery and
is optimized by a charge rate of  5.4A till it reaches 14.4 to 14.7
volts. Once fully charged this type of battery must have a charger that
either shuts itself down or goes into a float voltage mode. A float mode
for this battery is a constant charge range of 13.8 to 13.8 volts
continuously. When held at this voltage the battery will seek it's own
current level and maintain itself in a fully charged condition. I am
running the John Deere dynamo system and this system emits a continuous
charge rate of 14.5 volts. This extra voltage can not be tolerated by
this UPS battery and I speculate that it heated the battery up causing
the bulging of the side. There is a possibility, under these
circumstances that the battery case could rupture/explode while in
flight which would create unwanted circumstances. I promoted this as a
good Sealed Lead Acid Battery to use in our aircraft. I have now flight
tested this battery and DO NOT recommend it any longer. Mark Langford, I
suggest you remove yours and replace it as well as anyone else who may
have one.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj


- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:16 AM
Subject: KR> battery had bulged


> Mark,
> So, why do you suppose that your battery was Bulged?
>
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in 
> Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a 
> time for FLYING and the time for
building
> is over.
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC 
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KR> BRS

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Glad to hear your story Jaco . In 1978 I flew into a gas truck and did not walk 
away. 18 days in the hospital and 6 compressed 
vertebrae did not teach me enough . I  continued sky diving until I broke my 
leg in 3 places. I'm a little bit wiser now but not 
very . God has been very good to me and my family in spit of my stupidity.Bill 
Starrs Clarkdale,AZ
- Original Message - 
From: "Jaco Swanepoel" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:54 PM
Subject: KR> BRS


Mark, I truly respect everyone's right to make their own choices. I am glad you 
managed to avoid serious injury on that bike of 
yours.
I would just like to shortly tell you were I am coming from.
On 18 October 1999, whilst living on a farm near Marloth Park on the eastern 
side of South Africa, I was attacked by a Cape Buffalo 
whilst in the bush. I used to be a professional hunter and have 22 years 
experience without incident. On this day I was not even 
hunting. I sustained severe injuries which had a severe reaction on myself and 
my family. I had 12 operations in 5 years and died 
twice on the table. I was grounded for by caa for 5 years.
After going through all of this, I will do ANYTHING at ANY COST to turn the 
odds in my favour. I do not expect you to understand, 
but living on the edge is one thing if you only need to worry about yourself. 
It is totally another when you laying in bed for 9 
months, not being able to support your family and going without meals for 2 to 
3 day so that your children can eat.
God blessed me and gave me my life back (10 times better than before).
Please make wise choices and be safe.
Best Regards,
Jaco Swanepoel
South Africa
KR2S:  ZU-DVP



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KR> Testing and speeds, and weights

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Thank you Colin I printed your reply. Bill Starrs
- Original Message - 
From: "Colin Rainey" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:47 PM
Subject: KR> Testing and speeds, and weights


Thanks for the compliment Orma. I will try to measure up to the expectation, 
though I am only 5'5"haha

On a more serious note, a 60 degree bank in a LEVEL coordinated turn results in 
a 2 g load on the aircraft, or basically doubles the 
aircraft weight through load increase, and increases the stall speed of the 
aircraft 40%.  This means that an aircraft that stalls 
at 55 mph will stall at 77 mph in a 60 degree level bank turn!  These are 
aviation constants that we CFI's teach pilots.  A level 
turn of 45 degrees bank exerts 1.5 g load.  Stalls while doing these maneuvers 
is referred to as accelerated maneuvering stalls due 
to the increased stall speed caused by the increased load during the maneuver.

Early in my KR testing I went out over the water just off the coast of Massey 
Ranch, home of William Wynne.  It is my designated 
test area and has a great view of the NASA Shuttle Assembly building and launch 
platforms. It also gives me a VERY long emergency 
runway called a beach!  Anyhow, I climbed up to 5,000' and began to get to know 
its behavior with gradual entry into both power on 
and power off stalls. They came on very gently, and I quickly began to have 
confidence that this airplane was going to fly very 
similar to the light twins that I enjoyed so much.  As part of your CFI ride a 
candidate must demonstrate a secondary stall.  Having 
taught several CFI students already, as well as remembering my own training, I 
began evaluating the KR for its behavior in a 
secondary stall.  My plane's reaction compared very much to the subjecting a 
horse to an electric cattle prod.  You might stay on, 
but it was gonna be a rough ride!   The most memorable portion was the violent 
drop of the nose, accompanied by a negative g or 2, 
(my flight bag went to the ceiling), and the hard roll to the left.  My next 
impression was that someone had snuck a NOS bottle on 
board, and had punched the button on that nitrous because the speed was now 
growing with tremendously rapid rate compared to other 
aircraft I had flown.  I leveled off and noted my altitude and realized that 
2000' had evaporated in what seemed to be less than 1 
minute.  This experience gave me a grave respect for getting this wonderful 
little bird too slow.

I have spoken before about how to plan your landings in winds by adding half 
the gust factor to your approach speed, which has 
allowed me to successfully land our KR in quartering crosswinds as high as 25 
knots (according to the E6B conversion chart 15 knots 
@ 90 degrees which compares well with a C172).
My reason for pointing out the change in stall speed during maneuvers, is they 
also change with weight change.  As you get heavier, 
your stall speed will increase.  When first beginning to look at KRs for 
purchase, I read the NTSB reports on Mark L's site.  A 
quick study of these reports found that virtually all the pilots who crashed 
their KRs were caused from getting too slow near the 
ground either on take off or landing.  This aligns well with overall accidents 
in general aviation, that 75% occur near airports 
during takeoff and landing phase.  From a statistical point of view, the cross 
controlled stall in the base to final turn has 
claimed more pilots than any other single maneuver, especially low timers.  I 
am not speculating on Steve's accident.  Merely 
relating it to the facts Mark Jones presented in his post.  AOPA Air Safety 
Foundation sent out a newsletter this past year with 
several articles about the hidden danger of the base to final turns and low 
altitude stalls.

My conclusions were that the KR is to be treated like a Mooney or Bonanza, and 
flown AWAY from the minimum speeds, and use things 
like flaps and speed brakes to help bleed off excess speed during round out and 
flare.  I have always been bothered by pilots who 
brag about how slow they can get their KRs.  First, all builder/pilots should 
know we don't have calibrated ASI's so no one knows 
for sure what speeds they are running. I keep hearing pilots compare to GPS, 
but that is GROUND SPEED not airspeed.  So BE CAUTIOUS 
and test your speeds for stalls, etc... at altitude to  find out where your 
stalls will occur solo, and then again with weight. You 
will find they do change.  All high performance aircraft are unforgiving slow 
and near the ground to mistakes, KRs included.

This one's for you Steve
The Southern Rebels are playing Amazing Grace


Colin Rainey
brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net
KSFB
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KR> Steve J

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One accident does not mean you should not fly over water unless you have an 
artifical horrizon . I'v flown from LA to Catalina ( 
22miles remember) many times in a Taylor Craft or C 150 with no problems. Each 
situation is different. Bill Starrs
- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:52 PM
Subject: KR> Steve J


Heres to Steve and all we learned from him.  He will be missed  especially
among the KR community.  Flying like all of life can be  dangerous and he
willingly accepted those risks.  We need to remember that  and always strive to
lessen those risks where possible.
For those who dont know - Spins are NOT recommended  in the KR.  Being as
short as they are it makes recovering difficult or  impossible.  The 2S does
recover better but still not recommended - watch  your airspeeds and angles of
attack fellows.  Flying over water is also NOT  recommended unless you have
had instrument training and are equipped with an  attitude indicator.  This
applies to flying at night as well.  The  days we held the Gathering are proof 
to
that fact that visibility during the day  in haze is like flying through
mushroom soup.  Unless you are prepared and  proficient - stay on the ground or
plan a safer course of action.  I flew  over the water for about 1 minute a few
months ago and can attest that at 3500  feet as I passed the coast line the
horizon dissappeared and I was looking at a  blank blue white haze.  I did a
slow 180 and saw land immediately and was  okay but I will NOT attemp ANY
overwater flying until I have an artificial  horizon and a backup.  Fly smart 
and you
will fly long, Lord willing.
God does have his plans for our lives and I know  that we fullfil them
whether we want to accnowledge Him or not.  I hope the  Steve finds grace with
God and that we shall see him again.
Godspeed Steve.
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KR> Battery Mount

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I have mine in back of the seat. It is easy to get at there and is not exposed 
to the heat of the engine. Of course your W/B will 
have to be considered if you relocate it there. Bill Starrs
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Morehead" 
To: "KR- Net" 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 1:39 PM
Subject: KR> Battery Mount


Netters,
I need to mount my sealed 15 amp battery onto my firewall.  Does anyone
have a picture on their web sight that shows what you have done?  I¹m open
for all suggestions.

Jim Morehead
Cameron Park, CA

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Re: Réf. : KR> Operating Handbooks

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I would also appreciate a copy. ThankYou billsta...@peoplepc.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Serge VIDAL" <serge.vi...@sagem.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:22 AM
Subject: Réf. : KR> Operating Handbooks


Rich,

I have made one for my KR2. I got inspiration from the Diamond Katana POH.
I can E-mail you that as a Microsoft Word file.

Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France





"Rich Meyer" <cpt...@npcc.net>

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2005-09-29 07:36
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Objet : KR> Operating Handbooks



As new owners of KR2 N26LT, (HAPI 1835) we're looking for a POH.  I've
printed out the thorough KR2S (Revmaster 2100) POH by Rob Schmitt and if
necessary I can begin making revisions, but I just wondered if someone who
has done a similar job for a KR2 would be willing to send it?

Thanks,
Rich



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KR> building fibreglass geer legs.

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Thank you very much. Yes I would like a diagram  of the box. PTL, Bill Starrs
- Original Message - 
From: "harold woods" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:42 AM
Subject: KR> building fibreglass geer legs.


Hi Netters.
Steve Phillabaum wanted information on making a fiberglass gear leg. I built 
my own. I used roving, which is fiberglass string, about the thickness of 
"butcher string". It came in a spool about a foot in diameter. I decided to 
build both legs at the same time I built a box form over twice the required 
gear length. It was about 3 inches wide and 1 inch deep.At each end of the 
box were rows and rows of nails. At this point I painted the entire inside 
of the box, nails enclosed with hot melted parafin wax., as a mould release 
agent.The roving was attached to the first nail strung along the bottom of 
the box, hooked over a nail at the other end, then strung back to the next 
nail in line. after the entire bottom of the box was covered with this 
"string" it was fibreglasses. I used a very slow hardener, Versamid 140. 
This gave a pot life of about 4 to 6 hours. After the box was full I set a 
piece of polyethylene over it and planed a closely fitted lid on the box.I 
squeezed the lid down with clamps starting at the center.This squeezed the 
excess epoxy out the ends. I removed the lid and plastic and added more 
layer of roving  This was repeated until the box was filled to a depth of 1 
inch with compressed roving. The lid was left on until the next day.The gear 
leg was removed and the wax was washed off with gasoline.  I sacrificed an 
old band saw blade to cut the leg in half. I made this cut at an angle of 
about 25 degrees.Then back about a foot from where the cut slope begins I 
cut it off at 90 degrees. The short piece was then epoxied onto the main leg 
with the two 90 degree cut end together.This gave me a 2 inch thick leer leg 
which tapered down to 1 inch. The leg was mounted on a suitable aluminum 
bracket which was bolted to the front of the front spar.The gear leg has 
only one hole in it where it attaches to the bracket. Aluminum bars bolted 
to the bracket on the front and back hold the gear leg in firm position. A 
cover of 3/8" aluminum on top hold everything tight together. the other end 
of the gear leg has a spring steel plate bolted to it with 4 bolts. It was 
bent to suitably accept the wheel axel which was then bolted to it.
I tested the gear leg by bolting it to a heavy support on one end and 
affixing a 2 x 2 x 1/8" x 10' angle iron to it. Weights were added and 
removed, checking to see that the gear returned back to it's original 
position. The weight was a 150 pound man that walked out on the angle iron. 
It  bend of about 12 inches , the angle iron collapsed where it was bolted 
to the gear leg. The man was at about 9 feet from the gear leg end when the 
iron failed. I consider the gear leg good and strong. I subsequently have 
heard that the rear spring in a Corvette car has a suitable fiberglass 
spring . This should be investigated. before making your own.
If any one wants diagrams of the box I would send it to them as an 
attachment.
Regards
Harold Woods
Orillia,ON. Canada.
haroldwo...@rogers.com 


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