KRnet> Gathering

[Oscar Zuniga via KRnet]

2025 may just be the year that I finally make it to my first-ever KR Gathering. 
 I got my first KR info pack from Rand-Robinson about 30 years ago and have 
been on the KRNet since about that long but at least since 1997.  The best part 
is that with any luck, I'll be flying in for the Gathering in a KR 1-1/2, 
N335KC, as a flight of two in the company of John Bouyea in his KR-2S, N133RM.  
Maybe we'll get somebody to shoot some air-to-air of us in loose formation.  
So... how many days till the Gathering, Bou?

Dreaming is free, and right now I'm doing plenty of that.

Oscar Zuniga
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KRnet> Prop

[Randall Smith via KRnet]

There are a number of props out there. You might look into Warp Props I put one on an 0290 on a Thorpe. I'm very happy with it. It's a three blade. Price was very good and delivery was pretty quick. It had a  cado prop 2 blade before picked up a nut off of the runway and damage the prop so I put that warp drive on Performance is almost identical with an O290 in the Thorpe, I can do 120 kn pretty much all day long.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 5, 2024, at 2:46 AM, JC via KRnet  wrote:

  

  
  
Sorry William but I sold the engine
  and the prop before to leave France and have no info about it.
  I will read all the papers I had from the initial builder. If I
  find something I'll post here.
  JC

Le 03/11/2024 à 17:48, William Walsh
  via KRnet a écrit :


  
  Jean, what prop are you using. I’m building a kr1 here in the US
  and having a hard time finding a 3 blade that will work with the
  low ground clearance. I am using a Yamaha RX1 with the C drive
  detuned to 100hp. Welcome to the group.
  
  William 
  
  
On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 6:28 AM
      n357cj via KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org>
  wrote:


  

  Welcome, I am certain with the experience that you
already have from the past projects that just learning
to layup fiberglass will be no problem... I tell pople
if I can do it anyone can...
  Looking at the pictures it seems that you have a
project well along to completion. I recently spoke to a
long time builder that has seen the light and converted
to trigear.  If the fuselage is not been built as a
stretched length I would seriouly consider changing to a
fixed Trigear configuration for ground handling and
landing safety...
   
  best of luck,
  Looing forewoard to seeing progress
  Joe Horton
  N657CJ (nearly ready for inspection)
  

  
From:
JC <krnet@list.krnet.org>
To: krnet <krnet@list.krnet.org>
Cc: JC <flyingforfun2...@gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, 3 November 2024 5:17
AM EST
Subject: KRnet> new builder
from France

  

  
  

  

  

Hi
  all and thank you for your welcome et your
  encouragement.
  
  Right now, as we have just arrived from Africa, we
  are living in a very small apartment while waiting
  to find a house with a workshop. My wife really
  doesn't want an airplane under construction on her
  kitchen table (I ask why ;o)). The plane is
  currently at a friend's house. First I will have
  to find all the documentation that has been in a
  storage facility for 7 years, then I will
  translate and study the plans (translation is a
  good way to study the plan) and finally finish the
  building.
  I would like to make some modifications as change
  the retractable gear for a fixed one and install a
  Jabiru 2200, that I already own, instead of the
  VWW 1700 which was dismantled and sold 7 years
  ago.
  I want to register this plane in the French ULM
  category so the weight will be a permanent concern
  or DGAC (french air authority) will not accept to
  register.
  I already built two planes, a Jodel D112 and a
  Piel Emeraude but they were both classical wood
  and fabric, the traditional homebuilding in
  France. I never use foam and fiber, that's
  completely new for me.
  I think I will need your knowledge and your
  patience and I thank you in advance.
  
  Jean-Charles
  
  Below some photos of the plane when I bought it,
 

Re: KRnet> Gathering

[Ray_pilot via KRnet]

I also missed this year.  Had another hurricane right when I was going to
go.
Good thing I stayed because there were issues.
Definitely was looking forward to being there.
Let's see what next year brings.

Ray_pilot
New Orleans


On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 4:21 PM Roger Bulla  wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I was planning to be there this year but some obligations and health
> issues prevent me form attending this year. Everyone have fun and I hope to
> be there next year with my KR.
>
> Roger Bulla
> rbull...@charter.net
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KRnet> KR 2 South Africa.

[tiekie bernardus via KRnet]

Good day.
The tip tanks are only dummy tanks. I do not carry any fuel in the wings. Have 
only a header tank of 11 Gal.
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Re: KRnet> new builder from France

[William Walsh via KRnet]

Thank you, wanted to use a DUC prop but they are to long.

Best wishes
William

On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 12:46 AM JC via KRnet  wrote:

> Sorry William but I sold the engine and the prop before to leave France
> and have no info about it.
> I will read all the papers I had from the initial builder. If I find
> something I'll post here.
>
> JC
>
> Le 03/11/2024 à 17:48, William Walsh via KRnet a écrit :
>
> Jean, what prop are you using. I’m building a kr1 here in the US and
> having a hard time finding a 3 blade that will work with the low ground
> clearance. I am using a Yamaha RX1 with the C drive detuned to 100hp.
> Welcome to the group.
>
> William
>
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 6:28 AM n357cj via KRnet 
> wrote:
>
>> Welcome, I am certain with the experience that you already have from the
>> past projects that just learning to layup fiberglass will be no problem...
>> I tell pople if I can do it anyone can...
>> Looking at the pictures it seems that you have a project well along to
>> completion. I recently spoke to a long time builder that has seen the light
>> and converted to trigear.  If the fuselage is not been built as a stretched
>> length I would seriouly consider changing to a fixed Trigear configuration
>> for ground handling and landing safety...
>>
>> best of luck,
>> Looing forewoard to seeing progress
>> Joe Horton
>> N657CJ (nearly ready for inspection)
>>
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>> *From: *JC 
>> *To: *krnet 
>> *Cc: *JC 
>> *Date: *Sunday, 3 November 2024 5:17 AM EST
>> *Subject: *KRnet> new builder from France
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all and thank you for your welcome et your encouragement.
>>
>> Right now, as we have just arrived from Africa, we are living in a very
>> small apartment while waiting to find a house with a workshop. My wife
>> really doesn't want an airplane under construction on her kitchen table (I
>> ask why ;o)). The plane is currently at a friend's house. First I will have
>> to find all the documentation that has been in a storage facility for 7
>> years, then I will translate and study the plans (translation is a good way
>> to study the plan) and finally finish the building.
>> I would like to make some modifications as change the retractable gear
>> for a fixed one and install a Jabiru 2200, that I already own, instead of
>> the VWW 1700 which was dismantled and sold 7 years ago.
>> I want to register this plane in the French ULM category so the weight
>> will be a permanent concern or DGAC (french air authority) will not accept
>> to register.
>> I already built two planes, a Jodel D112 and a Piel Emeraude but they
>> were both classical wood and fabric, the traditional homebuilding in
>> France. I never use foam and fiber, that's completely new for me.
>> I think I will need your knowledge and your patience and I thank you in
>> advance.
>>
>> Jean-Charles
>>
>> Below some photos of the plane when I bought it, except the engine that
>> has been sold
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: KRnet> Landing at Idle

[Ray_pilot via KRnet]

I have never done that.  Pulled the prop to idle many times but never stop
and then nose up to really stop it.
Will have to try that.  But I'm such a coward I will have an instructor
with me when I try it.
Good training that I hope I never need.

Ray_pilot
New Orleans


On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 3:10 PM John Gotschall via KRnet <
krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Landing with a stopped prop is different.  I had an instructor who would
> have me practice that in a C150.
>
> The thing I did not expect that stood out was it took effort to stop the
> prop.  Even with no fuel it would windmill, producing more drag.
>
> To stop it we'd have to nose up until near stall to reduce the airflow to
> the point engine compression overcame the windmill tendency from airflow,
> and the prop finally stopped.
>
> Once stopped it would find some place to rest, not always avoiding
> straight up and down.
>
> Bumping the starter could reposition the prop (we thought horizontal
> better than vertical).
>
> I haven't done that in decades, but probably should do it in what I am
> currently flying.
>
> jg
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Re: KRnet> KR2

[Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet]

thanks Tiekie for sharing with us your beautiful KR2 "yellow bird", she's
truly a beauty!

Are you here in the US or elsewhere? I am asking because your Yellow Birdy
looks nearly identical as mine, which was the original kr2 design with a
"retractable wooden gear structure" and a go-cart type of drum breaks for
the landing wheels, isn't it?!

Have you already converted the drum breaks into hydraulic breaks, and I
need to learn from you if that's the case...?

Kindly,

Dr. Hsu
Houston, TX
N2830H, N40081

On Mon, Nov 4, 2024, 12:38 PM tiekie bernardus via KRnet <
krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Hi All.
> First attempt to place a picture of my KR2 that i fly almost every day.
> Enjoy
> Tiekie
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Re: KRnet> new builder from France

[JC via KRnet]

Sorry William but I sold the engine and the prop before to leave France 
and have no info about it.
I will read all the papers I had from the initial builder. If I find 
something I'll post here.

JC

Le 03/11/2024 à 17:48, William Walsh via KRnet a écrit :
Jean, what prop are you using. I’m building a kr1 here in the US and 
having a hard time finding a 3 blade that will work with the low 
ground clearance. I am using a Yamaha RX1 with the C drive detuned to 
100hp. Welcome to the group.


William

On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 6:28 AM n357cj via KRnet  
wrote:


Welcome, I am certain with the experience that you already have
from the past projects that just learning to layup fiberglass will
be no problem... I tell pople if I can do it anyone can...
Looking at the pictures it seems that you have a project well
along to completion. I recently spoke to a long time builder that
has seen the light and converted to trigear.  If the fuselage is
not been built as a stretched length I would seriouly consider
changing to a fixed Trigear configuration for ground handling and
landing safety...
best of luck,
Looing forewoard to seeing progress
Joe Horton
N657CJ (nearly ready for inspection)


*From: *JC 
*To: *krnet 
*Cc: *JC 
*Date: *Sunday, 3 November 2024 5:17 AM EST
*Subject: *KRnet> new builder from France



Hi all and thank you for your welcome et your encouragement.

Right now, as we have just arrived from Africa, we are living
in a very small apartment while waiting to find a house with a
workshop. My wife really doesn't want an airplane under
construction on her kitchen table (I ask why ;o)). The plane
is currently at a friend's house. First I will have to find
all the documentation that has been in a storage facility for
7 years, then I will translate and study the plans
(translation is a good way to study the plan) and finally
finish the building.
I would like to make some modifications as change the
retractable gear for a fixed one and install a Jabiru 2200,
that I already own, instead of the VWW 1700 which was
dismantled and sold 7 years ago.
I want to register this plane in the French ULM category so
the weight will be a permanent concern or DGAC (french air
authority) will not accept to register.
I already built two planes, a Jodel D112 and a Piel Emeraude
but they were both classical wood and fabric, the traditional
homebuilding in France. I never use foam and fiber, that's
completely new for me.
I think I will need your knowledge and your patience and I
thank you in advance.

Jean-Charles

Below some photos of the plane when I bought it, except the
engine that has been sold








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Re: KRnet> KR2

[tiekie bernardus via KRnet]

Tip tanks are only dummy tanks. Have a header tank with 11GAL.
Just like the dummy tanks on the KR2. No fuel in wings.

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From: KRnet  on behalf of Zachary Martine via 
KRnet 
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 8:52:46 PM
To: KRnet 
Cc: Zachary Martine 
Subject: Re: KRnet> KR2

Tip tanks! How much fuel do you have in them? Do you have fuel in the wings or 
just the tips? I always thought they'd look cool on a kr2!

On Mon, Nov 4, 2024, 12:39 PM tiekie bernardus via KRnet 
mailto:krnet@list.krnet.org>> wrote:
Hi All.
First attempt to place a picture of my KR2 that i fly almost every day.
Enjoy
Tiekie


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Re: KRnet> KR2

[Zachary Martine via KRnet]

Tip tanks! How much fuel do you have in them? Do you have fuel in the wings
or just the tips? I always thought they'd look cool on a kr2!

On Mon, Nov 4, 2024, 12:39 PM tiekie bernardus via KRnet <
krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Hi All.
> First attempt to place a picture of my KR2 that i fly almost every day.
> Enjoy
> Tiekie
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KRnet> Landing without power

[Gary Sack via KRnet]

Being a glider pilot, and a pessimist, I always land without power...going
to idle at 700 ', turning base and final by feel. I got pretty good at it
years ago. Now days I am finding it increasingly difficult to get stopped
in the 2600' available. Probably getting old and cautious, unwilling to
slow down enough on final. My brakes are poor but they always have been.
   As to glide performance with engine stopped, I played with that quite a
bit long ago and fought it to be good except when the prop was
horizontal...then it dropped considerably
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Re: KRnet> Landing at Idle Re: Landing at Idle

[Todd Thelin via KRnet]

Thank you Mark,I see you have done the test piloting already, and that is good information to know.If the prop will not windmill with the engine switched off, I think that’s a good thing. As long as the engine is not siezed, and you don’t have your hands full controlling your descent, I would think it would only take a couple of bumps of the starter button to set the prop up in a horizontal position to give you better visibility and lessen the chance of a prop strike on touchdown.Hopefully I’ll never have to experiment with that.Thank you again for passing along the info.Todd, Sent from my iPhoneOn 3 Nov 2024, at 4:00 PM, Mark Langford  wrote:

  

  
  
Todd Thelin wrote:
"I often wonder though if we are training ourselves for an
  unrealistic feel for how to set up for an engine failure.  I
  imagine that the engine produces a different amount of drag when
  idling than it does when either totally stopped or when
  windmilling. I have not experimented with either scenario, as I
  don't consider myself a test pilot, but it does make me wonder."
---

I did that glide and windmilling testing back in 2006, and for
  our little bitty wooden props, it makes no measurable difference
  whether idling or stopped.  And they don't windmill at all, even
  if you put it in a very steep dive, at least not my little Sterba
  and Sensenich props.  
See http://www.n56ml.com/performance/  for more details about
  best climb, best glide, etc at http://www.n56ml.com/performance/ 
  .  Start at the top and read it all, and you'll likely be better
  armed for an "unplanned gliding experience"of which I've had
  more than my fair share!  I guess that makes me a test pilot.

Mark Langford
m...@n56ml.com
http://www.n56ml.com
Huntsville, AL
    On 11/3/2024 2:25 PM, Todd Thelin via
  KRnet wrote:


  
  
Mark,


I also use the same technique
  in my KR2S of throttling back to idle, once I
  feel the airport is made I and landing without touching the
  throttle.  This seems very natural to me as I learned to fly
  in gliders, where we didn't have a throttle to distract us,
  and also developed slipping skills to adjust our rate of
  descent on final as necessary. I usually end up higher and
  faster than planned for, but better than lower than slower. 
  :)


I often wonder though if we
  are training ourselves for an unrealistic feel for how to set
  up for an engine failure.  I imagine that the engine produces
  a different amount of drag when idling than it does when
  either totally stopped or when windmilling. I have not
  experimented with either scenario, as I don't consider myself
  a test pilot, but it does make me wonder.


Just to chime in on the
  Tri-cycle gear v. Tail-wheel subject, I have only ever a  KR2S
  with a tail-wheel.  So maybe I don't know what I'm missing,
  but it seems both a very stable platform, and has never given
  me any reason for concern on landings.  I have always wondered
  at the pilots I have seen paddling their rudders like crazy as
  they touch down, and wondered why? It seems natural to me to
  only use enough input to keep you straight down the center
  line. I fly other fixed wing aircraft that have nose wheels on
  them and agree that they are also very docile on landing and
  don't require much input either to track straight down the
  center line, but it seems they are over rated to me.  It's
  just a matter of learning each machine.  Kind of like how so
  many youngsters these days think a standard transmission car
  is hard to drive.  It's just different. Once you learn it, you
  do it without thinking.


Cheers,


Todd Thelin
Spanaway, WA





  
  

  
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  November 3, 2024 at 11:28:44 AM PST, Mark Langford
   wrote: 
  
  





  

  Joe Horton wrote: 
  
 I recently spoke to
  a long time builder that has seen the light and
  converted to trigear.  If the fuselage is not been
  built as a stretched length I would seriouly
  consider changing to a fixed Trigear configuration
  for ground handling and landing safety.
  
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Re: KRnet> Landing at Idle

[John Gotschall via KRnet]

Landing with a stopped prop is different.  I had an instructor who would
have me practice that in a C150.

The thing I did not expect that stood out was it took effort to stop the
prop.  Even with no fuel it would windmill, producing more drag.

To stop it we'd have to nose up until near stall to reduce the airflow to
the point engine compression overcame the windmill tendency from airflow,
and the prop finally stopped.

Once stopped it would find some place to rest, not always avoiding straight
up and down.

Bumping the starter could reposition the prop (we thought horizontal better
than vertical).

I haven't done that in decades, but probably should do it in what I am
currently flying.

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Re: KRnet> Landing at Idle - was Converting to tri-gear(maybe?)

[Todd Thelin via KRnet]

 Mark,
I also use the same technique in my KR2S of throttling back to idle, once I 
feel the airport is made I and landing without touching the throttle.  This 
seems very natural to me as I learned to fly in gliders, where we didn't have a 
throttle to distract us, and also developed slipping skills to adjust our rate 
of descent on final as necessary. I usually end up higher and faster than 
planned for, but better than lower than slower.  :)
I often wonder though if we are training ourselves for an unrealistic feel for 
how to set up for an engine failure.  I imagine that the engine produces a 
different amount of drag when idling than it does when either totally stopped 
or when windmilling. I have not experimented with either scenario, as I don't 
consider myself a test pilot, but it does make me wonder.
Just to chime in on the Tri-cycle gear v. Tail-wheel subject, I have only ever 
a  KR2S with a tail-wheel.  So maybe I don't know what I'm missing, but it 
seems both a very stable platform, and has never given me any reason for 
concern on landings.  I have always wondered at the pilots I have seen paddling 
their rudders like crazy as they touch down, and wondered why? It seems natural 
to me to only use enough input to keep you straight down the center line. I fly 
other fixed wing aircraft that have nose wheels on them and agree that they are 
also very docile on landing and don't require much input either to track 
straight down the center line, but it seems they are over rated to me.  It's 
just a matter of learning each machine.  Kind of like how so many youngsters 
these days think a standard transmission car is hard to drive.  It's just 
different. Once you learn it, you do it without thinking.
Cheers,
Todd ThelinSpanaway, WA


On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 11:28:44 AM PST, Mark Langford 
 wrote:   

  
Joe Horton wrote: 
 
 I recently spoke to a long time builder that has seen the light and converted 
to trigear.  If the fuselage is not been built as a stretched length I would 
seriouly consider changing to a fixed Trigear configuration for ground handling 
and landing safety.
 
-
 
Joe may be talking about me.  I was all about top speed and fuel economy while 
I was building my KR2S, and I went with a taildragger setup toward that end.  
it wasn't bad from a ground handling standpoint, but still required getting 
used to and "flying it all the way to the chocks".   Then I bought Jim Faughn's 
KR2 taildragger N891JF, and it was downright squirrelly on the runway, and I've 
lost it a few times, especially on our very narrow runway.  And I've knocked 
down a few runway lights!  
 
 
Then I bought Joe's tri-gear KR2S N357CJ, and it was amazingly tame during 
landinga total non-event!  Rather than requiring constant input to keep 
from running off our narrow runway, it was not only controllable, but it was 
right down the center line, with no action required!  A total non-event.  It's 
down at the moment for some routine firewall forward work, but I'll have it 
flying again shortly.
 
I've also discovered that I rarely fly either KR wide open.I'm just more 
into fuel economy and engine longevity than I am in bragging about how fast I 
can get somewhere.   I just leave a little earlier!   I go full throttle on 
climbout from the runway, then throttle back a bit to climb to my usual 9500' 
or 10,000" cruise altitude.  After that, I throttle back a little more and 
enjoy the view.  About the only time I increase throttle after that is to get 
over some clouds that I can't dodge otherwise.  When I get ready to land, I 
pull the throttle back to idle at what I think will barely get me on the runway 
(even if the airport is several miles away), and practice an emergency landing. 
 I do my best to glide all the way in without power (just idling), and if I'm 
too high I slip the crap out of it as far as I need tosometimes within a 
few feet of touchdown.  All of my landings are done at idle.  This constant 
practice gives me experience regarding how far I can glide from a given 
altitude, and still do a decent landing, just in case the engine croaks.  It 
happens..
 
 Mark Langford
m...@n56ml.com
http://www.n56ml.com
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Re: KRnet> Building the exhaust

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 JC, welcome to the group. Just for clarity... the airplane in the back looks 
like a KR2 and not a KR1 by looks of the cowling and canopy, am I correct. 
Either way, I look forward to seeing you make progress to your project. 
Best regards
Luis  
On Saturday, November 2, 2024 at 01:05:57 PM CDT, victor taylor via KRnet 
 wrote:  
 
 Hello KR group,

I’m not sure if anyone is interested but I’m currently building the exhaust for 
my motor. I had the engine mounted and lined up but then pulled the motor off 
with the engine mount to fabricate the exhaust. Here’s a couple of photos to 
show how. 

No exhaust yet but lined up. 

I put a board across the bottom engine mount points to simulate the bottom of 
the firewall. Then I held the collector in place with scrap wood and tape. 
After that I started piecing the pipes together. 

After I have it all fabricated the welder will finish the welding. I’ll 
complete the bottom baffling, carb and cabin heat, and intake with filter while 
it’s inverted on the bench. Then bolt it back on the firewall. 
Stainless is EXPENSIVE! I’ll have $1,100 in the exhaust when done in materials 
alone. It is what it is though. I really want this plane finished. 
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Re: KRnet> New member from France

[victor taylor via KRnet]

Welcome to the KR family Jean, 

This is a great group with a lot of collective knowledge. Send a few pictures 
of your project and ask all the questions you want. 

Victor Taylor
Irvington Alabama 

> On Nov 2, 2024, at 05:55, JC via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm Jean-Charles Fenez from France. I live in Rochefort (the port where 
> "Hermione", the ship on which La Fayette sailed to America, was built) and I 
> just registered on KRnet list.
> I bought a KR1 project several years ago. I had to store it because of a 
> professional move to Africa. I now retired and back to France and it's time 
> to finish the plane. First I will have to make sure of the condition of the 
> plane after storage, make some modifications like installing a fixed landing 
> gear and finish the building.
> I think I will need help or this project and KRnet seems to be the ideal 
> place.
> Best regards,
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KRnet> New member from France

[JC via KRnet]

Hello everyone,

I'm Jean-Charles Fenez from France. I live in Rochefort (the port where 
"Hermione", the ship on which La Fayette sailed to America, was built) 
and I just registered on KRnet list.
I bought a KR1 project several years ago. I had to store it because of a 
professional move to Africa. I now retired and back to France and it's 
time to finish the plane. First I will have to make sure of the 
condition of the plane after storage, make some modifications like 
installing a fixed landing gear and finish the building.
I think I will need help or this project and KRnet seems to be the ideal 
place.

Best regards,
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Re: KRnet> NEW Lightweight Low-Cost 4-Cylinder Aircraft Engine

[mplaneman via KRnet]

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Subject: KRnet> NEW Lightweight Low-Cost 4-Cylinder Aircraft Engine Check this 
out. 0200 competitor. Plus lots of other engines on their web page PHIL 
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Re: KRnet> Need expertise from the KR gurus

[Adam Deem via KRnet]

I have located the source of the wing pop sound with the assistance of my
hangar neighbor.  I made a mark on the wing attachments and found there is
a tiny bit of play, less than 1/64”,  on the attachment points at the wing
bolts and when the wing is flexed it builds up a little friction and the
releases it when the wing is flexed the other way. The reverberation though
the spar and wing cavities amplifies the tiny sound like an acoustic
guitar.  I’ll pull the wing bolts and clean the attachment brackets at the
next maintenance and replace the bolts with AN174 close tolerance bolts,
but there is for sure no structural issue or delamination of any joints.

Adam

On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 6:40 PM Larry Flesner via KRnet <
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>
> On 10/25/2024 5:16 PM, Adam Deem via KRnet wrote:
> > My right wing, apparently in the stub wing makes a slight pop like
> > there is something sticking and tension releasing when the wing is
> > lifted and then pushed down again.
>
>
> 
>
> There should be absolutely nothing in the structure that moves one
> surface against the other.  Find a helper to pin point the noise and
> don't fly it until you determine it is not structural. Marks thought of
> it being something component wise is a good bet. Check for cracked glue
> joints where the center spars enter the fuselage and pass through.  If
> you can make it make the noise consistently it shouldn't be that hard to
> find.
>
> Good luck.
>
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Re: KRnet> Need expertise from the KR gurus

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

On 10/25/2024 5:16 PM, Adam Deem via KRnet wrote:
My right wing, apparently in the stub wing makes a slight pop like 
there is something sticking and tension releasing when the wing is 
lifted and then pushed down again.




There should be absolutely nothing in the structure that moves one 
surface against the other.  Find a helper to pin point the noise and 
don't fly it until you determine it is not structural. Marks thought of 
it being something component wise is a good bet. Check for cracked glue 
joints where the center spars enter the fuselage and pass through.  If 
you can make it make the noise consistently it shouldn't be that hard to 
find.


Good luck.

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Re: KRnet> Need expertise from the KR gurus

[Mark Jones via KRnet]

Hi Adam. 
Do you have wing tanks? Aluminum? Just a thought. 

Mark Jones
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> On Oct 25, 2024, at 6:16 PM, Adam Deem via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> Yesterday while doing wind-up turns for testing, I heard a slight pop sound 
> at exactly 2.5G and returned for inspection.  My right wing, apparently in 
> the stub wing makes a slight pop like there is something sticking and tension 
> releasing when the wing is lifted and then pushed down again. I inspected the 
> spar faces, wing attach brackets, and checked bolt torque and all appears 
> normal.  The airplane flew normally and there was no indication of 
> overstress.  When flexing the wing up and down if definitely seems like 
> something in the wing is building a little tension and releasing it in a 
> slight pop.  Anyone experience this in your KR?
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KRnet> Need expertise from the KR gurus

[Adam Deem via KRnet]

Yesterday while doing wind-up turns for testing, I heard a slight pop sound
at exactly 2.5G and returned for inspection.  My right wing, apparently in
the stub wing makes a slight pop like there is something sticking and
tension releasing when the wing is lifted and then pushed down again. I
inspected the spar faces, wing attach brackets, and checked bolt torque and
all appears normal.  The airplane flew normally and there was no indication
of overstress.  When flexing the wing up and down if definitely seems like
something in the wing is building a little tension and releasing it in a
slight pop.  Anyone experience this in your KR?

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KRnet> another observation

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

I have a multi-page list of "Observations on Life".  Here is one based 
on 13 years of building and 20 years of flying that I'm very late in 
sharing.  "Flying is much more fun than building".  Get back to the 
workshop and get the project finished.  Although I've grounded myself, 
211LF is still having fun.


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Re: KRnet> Nidacore panels questions?

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

On 10/18/2024 10:38 AM, Oscar Zuniga via KRnet wrote:
You mention not to hot-wire it as one limitation to working with it 
but I would add another: the stuff is very unforgiving of being 
bumped, scratched, or bent, and it demands that it be sanded very 
gently.  Once it's glassed, it's great- but the bare foam requires 
tender handling.  You can sand it with anything, even with a chunk of 
itself, using very little pressure.


Oscar Zuniga


+

Expanding on the hot-wire limitation,  if done it emits a poisonous gas.

As for easily damaged, it is also easily repaired.  A damaged area can 
be cut out and a plug of the same material can be inserted and sanded to 
shape.  One caveat, don't let any glue line extend through the desired 
finish level.  The glue doesn't sand at the same rate as the foam and 
you have an issuer to correct.


Also, if you have an area where the glass will extend from the foam 
across an area (wood) that the glass will be bonded to, keep the foam 
surface a fraction above the wood ( as in the wing skin crossing the 
spar).  It is easier to fill the spar small surface area a fraction to 
bring up to the correct level after cured than to bring the larger wing 
area up to a slightly high spar and keep the wing contour correct.


As always, YSMV...

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KRnet> Nidacore panels questions?

[Oscar Zuniga via KRnet]

Larry wrote-

>I recall using urethane foam to build 211LF and it has passed the
> 1000 hour mark.  Why are builders not using it any more or are they?

I'm using the greenish urethane foam to build the tail surfaces and wings of my 
Flying Squirrel.  I acquired an abandoned KR project some years ago and part of 
what came with it was a large stack of that foam, which back then could be 
ordered with a KR construction kit.  You mention not to hot-wire it as one 
limitation to working with it but I would add another: the stuff is very 
unforgiving of being bumped, scratched, or bent, and it demands that it be 
sanded very gently.  Once it's glassed, it's great- but the bare foam requires 
tender handling.  You can sand it with anything, even with a chunk of itself, 
using very little pressure.

Oscar Zuniga
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KRnet> https://fgci.com/about-us/

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

This company might be of interest to current / future builders.

https://fgci.com/about-us/

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Re: KRnet> Nidacore panels questions?

[Rich Parker via KRnet]

Widely used by fiberglass boat builders so resin is sticking to it.

Rich



From: KRnet  on behalf of Larry Flesner via KRnet 

Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2024 5:53 PM
To: G R Pickett ; KRnet 
Cc: Larry Flesner 
Subject: Re: KRnet> Nidacore panels questions?


On 10/17/2024 10:13 AM, G R Pickett wrote:
> The Nidacore itself is polyethylene, with a polyethylene surface, onto which 
> a non-woven polyester is bonded for adsorption of the resin.

+

Let me ask it this way.  Nidacore is "plastic".  Resin generally, in my
experience, does not stick to "plastic".   Some builders use a plastic
sheet to lay glass cloth on to wet it out as it doesn't stick.  I'm
curious as to the bonding of the resin / cloth sticking to Nidacore and
is the bonding strength as good as resin / glass to foam.  Seems to me
it would just peel off like peel ply.  What am I missing?  I've never
seen the stuff or worked with it so I'm starting from scratch with any
knowledge on the subject.

I recall using urethane foam to build 211LF and it has passed the 1000
hour mark.  Why are builders not using it any more or are they?  The
price seems reasonable.  The only drawback I knew of was "no hot wire
cutting".

https://fgci.com/product/polyurethane-foam-sheets-2-x-4/

Larry Flesner


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Re: KRnet> Nidacore panels questions?

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

On 10/17/2024 10:13 AM, G R Pickett wrote:

The Nidacore itself is polyethylene, with a polyethylene surface, onto which a 
non-woven polyester is bonded for adsorption of the resin.


+

Let me ask it this way.  Nidacore is "plastic".  Resin generally, in my 
experience, does not stick to "plastic".   Some builders use a plastic 
sheet to lay glass cloth on to wet it out as it doesn't stick.  I'm 
curious as to the bonding of the resin / cloth sticking to Nidacore and 
is the bonding strength as good as resin / glass to foam.  Seems to me 
it would just peel off like peel ply.  What am I missing?  I've never 
seen the stuff or worked with it so I'm starting from scratch with any 
knowledge on the subject.


I recall using urethane foam to build 211LF and it has passed the 1000 
hour mark.  Why are builders not using it any more or are they?  The 
price seems reasonable.  The only drawback I knew of was "no hot wire 
cutting".


https://fgci.com/product/polyurethane-foam-sheets-2-x-4/

Larry Flesner


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Re: KRnet> Nidacore panels questions?

[G R Pickett via KRnet]

Larry,

The Nidacore itself is polyethylene, with a polyethylene surface, onto which a 
non-woven polyester is bonded for adsorption of the resin.  Just a guess, but I 
would use a vinyl or polyester resin for the fiberglass over the surface.
As for glassing the backside, I think not necessary for the wing skins.  I was 
writing about using them for stub ribs, do I would cover on both sides.
Yes, Lastafoam is light, but this Nidacore is even lighter.

Your comment about adhesion is well taken.  I purchased a front deck from Jack 
Dougherty, made by RR in the early days of the KR-100 (? Maybe). It has some 
kind of honeycomb inside of it, and through years of storage by Jack, and 
transporting and moving around in my hangar, it's still bonded properly.  It 
looks and feels like epoxy, not an ester resin.

Divinycell foam is PVC based, will not work out with a vinyl ester foam.  
Important is you are putting in wing tanks.  It weighs only about 10% more than 
Lastafoam, but costs almost twice as much. I have no info about how easy it is 
to sand.  On my first project, I designed and built wingtips with PVC foam from 
a boat supplier, using epoxy, not ester resin.  My intent was to make them into 
tip tanks by dissolving the PVC with lacquer thinner.  That plan would have 
probably given me trouble, knowing what we now do about gasoline's effect on 
epoxy tanks.

I did make my original header tank on that old project, using vinyl ester and 
Clark foam.  It turned out to have a 17-gallon capacity!  Saved for eternity in 
Steve Bennett's KR Quarterly, 1986.

I have the Diehl wing skins already installed on my current project. The 
complete wings weigh 38 # each.  That weight doesn't include the stubs.  I have 
no doubt that skins are heavier than sanded foam, but the Diehl skins save a 
lot of work, and are less prone to surface imperfections (loss of lift or 
increased drag), Because they are a sandwich, and not glassed on only one side.

Griff P

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Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2024 9:00 AM
Subject: KRnet> Nidacore panels questions?

What is the adhesion characteristics of the resin to Nidcore as it is "plastic"?
Could Nidcore be covered one side only as is done with the foam on the wings.

If I were to use Last-o-foam to build the wings, 1/2" covered one side only as 
plans call for, (I think I used 1" 30 years ago) , weight of one cubic foot 
translates to 4.5 pounds per 24 square feet of wing area. That should translate 
to about 10 pounds per wing or 20 pounds total for the wings.  That seems high 
for some reason  as I recall a 2'X8' sheet seemed to weigh very little.

What about Divinycell foam?  reasonable price?

https://fiberglasssupplydepot.com/divinycell-pvc-foam-core-h-80-5lb-density-plain-sheet.html?attribute_values%5B300%5D=1299&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw68K4BhAuEiwAylp3klZ_W6LL-hNZ6kxusqe7DKyawrySS9Jr-N3B2hVS1AnXfamnUmi5-xoC9PcQAvD_BwE#product-details-tab-description

Prices have sure gone up in the last 30 years. 🙁

Larry Flesner

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KRnet> Nidacore panels questions?

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

What is the adhesion characteristics of the resin to Nidcore as it is 
"plastic"?


Could Nidcore be covered one side only as is done with the foam on the 
wings.


If I were to use Last-o-foam to build the wings, 1/2" covered one side 
only as plans call for, (I think I used 1" 30 years ago) , weight of one 
cubic foot translates to 4.5 pounds per 24 square feet of wing area.  
That should translate to about 10 pounds per wing or 20 pounds total for 
the wings.  That seems high for some reason  as I recall a 2'X8' sheet 
seemed to weigh very little.


What about Divinycell foam?  reasonable price?

https://fiberglasssupplydepot.com/divinycell-pvc-foam-core-h-80-5lb-density-plain-sheet.html?attribute_values%5B300%5D=1299&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw68K4BhAuEiwAylp3klZ_W6LL-hNZ6kxusqe7DKyawrySS9Jr-N3B2hVS1AnXfamnUmi5-xoC9PcQAvD_BwE#product-details-tab-description

Prices have sure gone up in the last 30 years. 🙁

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Re: KRnet> Nidacore panels

[G R Pickett via KRnet]

So I dug a little deeper into this, since I had also considered it for a few 
parts on my (uncompleted) project in the 80's.  Wing ribs today would be made 
from  ¼" Lastafoam from Spruce, which is 4.7#/cu ft.  (Spruce doesn't list 
urethane foam in ¼" thickness, only ½ inch).  So the weight per piece very 
slightly favors Lastafoam.  The Nidacore would need the edge treatment to fill 
to a flat surface with flox, but that would be easy.
>From my very limited search, the Nidacore seems to be about half the cost 
>(well, less shipping).  If you had a mold for making wing skins, you might be 
>on to a significant cost reduction  there, Rich.
Now, I have to get on to mounting my main gear attachments to the spar of my 
current project!
Griff P

From: KRnet  On Behalf Of Rich Parker via KRnet
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2024 5:16 AM
To: Krnet 
Cc: Rich Parker 
Subject: KRnet> Nidacore panels

I'm making a new glass panel bridge for my boat and looking at using Nidacore 
honeycomb panels.

Has anyone used these panels over wing ribs to make Diehl style wing skins?  
I'm thinking it could save a lot of time sanding foam

https://youtu.be/fKhMzt4OWzo?si=BX1rX57_zdVk_xuU


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Re: KRnet> Nidacore panels

[G R Pickett via KRnet]

Rich,
I often thought about that too.  One problem is that polyurethane foam is about 
2#/cu ft, while NidaCore is closer to 5#/cu ft.  But for small parts, like 
maybe a seat back or mounting shelf, it might be easier to fabricate than foam. 
 Definitely less dust, though.  And you probably wouldn't need the layer of 
micro under it.
Griff P

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Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2024 5:16 AM
To: Krnet 
Cc: Rich Parker 
Subject: KRnet> Nidacore panels

I'm making a new glass panel bridge for my boat and looking at using Nidacore 
honeycomb panels.

Has anyone used these panels over wing ribs to make Diehl style wing skins?  
I'm thinking it could save a lot of time sanding foam

https://youtu.be/fKhMzt4OWzo?si=BX1rX57_zdVk_xuU


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KRnet> Nidacore panels

[Rich Parker via KRnet]

I'm making a new glass panel bridge for my boat and looking at using Nidacore 
honeycomb panels.

Has anyone used these panels over wing ribs to make Diehl style wing skins?  
I'm thinking it could save a lot of time sanding foam

https://youtu.be/fKhMzt4OWzo?si=BX1rX57_zdVk_xuU


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KRnet> Homebuilt Safety

[Marc Baca via KRnet]

Saw this. Thought it was appropriate to post. 
Marc BacaN13UGEast Los Angeles

https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/experimental-aircraft-show-improved-safety-stats/
 

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Re: KRnet> Solar KR ???

[victor taylor via KRnet]

I’m not sure why Burt Rutan chose solar panels for the original VariEze but 
that’s what it had. You may be correct though in thinking it’s to avoid the 
transponder ADSB rule. Surely it’s not about weight with the lightweight 
alternators that are available. 

Good idea as an easy alternative for an electrical system though. 

Victor Taylor


> On Oct 15, 2024, at 22:19, Larry Flesner via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> is this better?  With no alternator or starting system could this be a way to 
> avoid transponder / ads-b in certain areas?  Solar panels for radio / tablet 
> for navigation? 
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Re: KRnet> Solar KR ???

[Mark Jones via KRnet]

The resolution is low so you may not be able to see the solar panel on the wing 
tips and on top of the turtle deck. 

Mark Jones
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> On Oct 15, 2024, at 9:21 PM, Mark Jones  wrote:
> 
> > 
> Mark Jones
> Oldsmar, Fl
> 
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> www.flykr2s.com
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[Mark Jones via KRnet]

Mark Jones
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Re: KRnet> Hurricane

[G R Pickett via KRnet]

They should already be gone.  I hope only minimal damage to your stuff.
Griff

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Subject: KRnet> Hurricane

Guys. Wising you the best, thinking of you all. Please be safe Phil MATHESON 
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KRnet> Hurricane

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Guys. Wising you the best, thinking of you all. Please be safe
Phil MATHESON 
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Re: KRnet> Corvair engines. 3 engine’s 2 tore down 1 still complete for sale . Tom at 9372437753 in Ohio

[Evan Burgess via KRnet]

Case, head, & crank numbers?

> On Oct 1, 2024, at 5:26 PM, Thomas Horch via KRnet  
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Re: KRnet> Selling kr2s project

[Rich Parker via KRnet]

I'm in Greenfield NH

Sincerely,

Rich Parker
+1-603-397-8193

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Sent: Monday, September 30, 2024 7:07:54 AM
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Subject: Re: KRnet> Selling kr2s project

Rich where are you located? If your not to far from me I'd like to come see the 
KR.

Kind regards,
David

On Thu, Sep 19, 2024, 4:12 PM Rich Parker via KRnet 
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Boating season coming to an end soon. Today was moving airplane projects out of 
my basement day in order to get back to finishing one, two? Going to be 
selling one of my KR2S projects (bottom right)  Diehl landing gear, Diehl wing 
skins,  hydraulic brakes, dragonfly canopy, 38 inches wide at the shoulder, 14 
inches longer than standard KR2S, motor mount tacked together for corvair. 
Various build materials, fiberglass cloth and probably enough spare corvair 
parts to build an engine. No charge for the dust.  Make me a reasonable offer 
to at least cover materials.



Rich Parker
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Re: KRnet> I have a fuselage for a KR2 that I need to get rid of. It is firewall to the finished tailfeathers including the canopy. contact me if interested.

[James Eubanks via KRnet]

Hi Margi,
We're you able to get rid of the KR2 fuselage? If not do you have pics?
Where in the country are you located?

Kind regards,
David Eubanks

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Re: KRnet> Selling kr2s project

[James Eubanks via KRnet]

Rich where are you located? If your not to far from me I'd like to come see
the KR.

Kind regards,
David

On Thu, Sep 19, 2024, 4:12 PM Rich Parker via KRnet 
wrote:

> Boating season coming to an end soon. Today was moving airplane projects
> out of my basement day in order to get back to finishing one, two?
> Going to be selling one of my KR2S projects (bottom right)  Diehl landing
> gear, Diehl wing skins,  hydraulic brakes, dragonfly canopy, 38 inches wide
> at the shoulder, 14 inches longer than standard KR2S, motor mount tacked
> together for corvair. Various build materials, fiberglass cloth and
> probably enough spare corvair parts to build an engine. No charge for the
> dust.  Make me a reasonable offer to at least cover materials.
>
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>
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Re: KRnet> KR2 Handling Qualities Test Presentation Sept 28 or 29?

[Adam Deem via KRnet]

For those that couldn’t log in live to the presentation, here is a
recording of it.  Don’t hesitate to email me if you have any questions.

https://youtu.be/wFXknGZWcw4?si=Nxy1lTNxgxIBoVvo

Blue skies and smooth landings,

Adam

On Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 11:06 AM K W via KRnet  wrote:

> Adam,
> Thank you for the great presentation yesterday evening on the zoom call.
> Your observations of flight characteristics of the KR, knowledge of other
> aircraft that you have flown and your experience in military aircraft, have
> proven to be a great asset for such a credible assessment. Your wealth of
> information as well as possible corrective actions to improve the flight
> characteristics of the standard KR 2 is greatly appreciated.
>
> Keith
> 2022D
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 1:32 PM Ray_pilot via KRnet 
> wrote:
>
>> I'll try to join at that time but the weekends are pretty packed.
>> Please put it on Youtube for later viewing but I will try for that
>> evening.
>> Thanks for doing this.
>>
>> Ray_pilot
>> New Orleans
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 4:34 AM Adam Deem via KRnet 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s on the 28th at 8:00 EDT, here is the link to join
>>>
>>>
>>> https://us05web.zoom.us/j/88083062469?pwd=Fl4pt1k39LbntqW6w8dHYgrZ6brAHL.1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 1:24 AM Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet <
>>> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Adam,
>>>>
>>>> Have you already picked up a day for your zoom meeting on your kr test
>>>> experience? I will definitely attend if it's on the 28th, instead of the
>>>> 29th of September as I will be on TDY to LA that day
>>>>
>>>> Please let us know, including the instructions to attend?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Hsu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 7:36 PM Adam Deem via KRnet 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> KR Community,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have undertaken a fairly thorough flight test program and handling
>>>>> qualities investigation on my KR2 that I found to be a little bit
>>>>> squirrelly compared to other somewhat similar types (Pitts, Extra, C-150
>>>>> Aerobat, etc).  Although it was fun to fly in most respects, its
>>>>> limitations left me unenthusiastic to fly the KR on pretty great days that
>>>>> I would fly most any other airplane.  I found myself only wanting to fly
>>>>> the KR on absolutely ideal days; and on other days would find my ability 
>>>>> to
>>>>> fly to the levels of accuracy and precision that I expect difficult.  My
>>>>> goal was use established flight test protocols to determine what the root
>>>>> cause was and what could be done to make the airplane more enjoyable and
>>>>> useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had planned to present my findings and options to consider if you
>>>>> find similar qualities in your KR at the gathering, but was limited by 
>>>>> time
>>>>> and weather and unable to attend.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be willing to present my briefing via Zoom on Sept 28 or 29th
>>>>> at 20:00 EDT if there are several people interested.  Please let me know 
>>>>> if
>>>>> you are interested and which day you prefer so I can reserve that time.
>>>>> I’m planning on 90 minutes for the presentation and a few questions.  As 
>>>>> an
>>>>> alternative, I may upload it to YouTube if there is not enough interest as
>>>>> I believe the information gained to be valuable to the community.  I think
>>>>> an interactive platform would be best, though.  Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam Deem
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Re: KRnet> KR2 Handling Qualities Test Presentation Sept 28 or 29?

[K W via KRnet]

Adam,
Thank you for the great presentation yesterday evening on the zoom call.
Your observations of flight characteristics of the KR, knowledge of other
aircraft that you have flown and your experience in military aircraft, have
proven to be a great asset for such a credible assessment. Your wealth of
information as well as possible corrective actions to improve the flight
characteristics of the standard KR 2 is greatly appreciated.

Keith
2022D

On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 1:32 PM Ray_pilot via KRnet 
wrote:

> I'll try to join at that time but the weekends are pretty packed.
> Please put it on Youtube for later viewing but I will try for that evening.
> Thanks for doing this.
>
> Ray_pilot
> New Orleans
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 4:34 AM Adam Deem via KRnet 
> wrote:
>
>> It’s on the 28th at 8:00 EDT, here is the link to join
>>
>> https://us05web.zoom.us/j/88083062469?pwd=Fl4pt1k39LbntqW6w8dHYgrZ6brAHL.1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 1:24 AM Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet <
>> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Adam,
>>>
>>> Have you already picked up a day for your zoom meeting on your kr test
>>> experience? I will definitely attend if it's on the 28th, instead of the
>>> 29th of September as I will be on TDY to LA that day....
>>>
>>> Please let us know, including the instructions to attend?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Dr. Hsu
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 7:36 PM Adam Deem via KRnet 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> KR Community,
>>>>
>>>> I have undertaken a fairly thorough flight test program and handling
>>>> qualities investigation on my KR2 that I found to be a little bit
>>>> squirrelly compared to other somewhat similar types (Pitts, Extra, C-150
>>>> Aerobat, etc).  Although it was fun to fly in most respects, its
>>>> limitations left me unenthusiastic to fly the KR on pretty great days that
>>>> I would fly most any other airplane.  I found myself only wanting to fly
>>>> the KR on absolutely ideal days; and on other days would find my ability to
>>>> fly to the levels of accuracy and precision that I expect difficult.  My
>>>> goal was use established flight test protocols to determine what the root
>>>> cause was and what could be done to make the airplane more enjoyable and
>>>> useful.
>>>>
>>>> I had planned to present my findings and options to consider if you
>>>> find similar qualities in your KR at the gathering, but was limited by time
>>>> and weather and unable to attend.
>>>>
>>>> I would be willing to present my briefing via Zoom on Sept 28 or 29th
>>>> at 20:00 EDT if there are several people interested.  Please let me know if
>>>> you are interested and which day you prefer so I can reserve that time.
>>>> I’m planning on 90 minutes for the presentation and a few questions.  As an
>>>> alternative, I may upload it to YouTube if there is not enough interest as
>>>> I believe the information gained to be valuable to the community.  I think
>>>> an interactive platform would be best, though.  Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Adam Deem
>>>>
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KRnet> Meeting Passcode?

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

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Re: KRnet> KR2 Handling Qualities Presentation via Zoom 9/28 8:00PM EDT

[Stef den Boer via KRnet]

I will try to connect to the zoom meeting. For me it is 0200 AM so I am not 
sure. Is there a posability so look afterwards?
 
Stef  
 
 
PH-TDB

> Op 18-09-2024 17:43 CEST schreef Adam Deem via KRnet :
>  
>  
> Fellow KR Enthusiasts, 
>  
> I will be holding a Zoom webinar on Saturday Sept 28th at 8:00PM EDT covering 
> the results of my handling qualities flight test program on my Corvair 
> powered KR2. The presentation will be technical in nature, but focused on the 
> practical application side and not too deep into the mathematical side. 
>  
> The topics I will cover are: 
>  
>  - General aerodynamic concepts related to stability and maneuvering flight 
>  
>  - KR2 design parameters and variation from design on my KR 
>  
> - Flight test procedures and safety 
>  
> - Data obtained from the flight test program 
>  
> - Potential ideas for design modifications to improve stability at various 
> stages from initial  planning through improving a completed and flying 
> airplane 
>  
>  The presentation will be approximately 90 minutes and I will keep the 
> meeting open for about 30 min after for any questions. I’ll plan to record 
> the presentation and upload a link to YouTube for those who cannot view it 
> live. The link for the meeting is listed below: 
>  
>  https://us05web.zoom.us/j/88083062469?pwd=Fl4pt1k39LbntqW6w8dHYgrZ6brAHL.1
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Re: KRnet> KR2 Handling Qualities Test Presentation Sept 28 or 29?

[Ray_pilot via KRnet]

I'll try to join at that time but the weekends are pretty packed.
Please put it on Youtube for later viewing but I will try for that evening.
Thanks for doing this.

Ray_pilot
New Orleans


On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 4:34 AM Adam Deem via KRnet 
wrote:

> It’s on the 28th at 8:00 EDT, here is the link to join
>
> https://us05web.zoom.us/j/88083062469?pwd=Fl4pt1k39LbntqW6w8dHYgrZ6brAHL.1
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 1:24 AM Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet <
> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Adam,
>>
>> Have you already picked up a day for your zoom meeting on your kr test
>> experience? I will definitely attend if it's on the 28th, instead of the
>> 29th of September as I will be on TDY to LA that day
>>
>> Please let us know, including the instructions to attend?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dr. Hsu
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 7:36 PM Adam Deem via KRnet 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> KR Community,
>>>
>>> I have undertaken a fairly thorough flight test program and handling
>>> qualities investigation on my KR2 that I found to be a little bit
>>> squirrelly compared to other somewhat similar types (Pitts, Extra, C-150
>>> Aerobat, etc).  Although it was fun to fly in most respects, its
>>> limitations left me unenthusiastic to fly the KR on pretty great days that
>>> I would fly most any other airplane.  I found myself only wanting to fly
>>> the KR on absolutely ideal days; and on other days would find my ability to
>>> fly to the levels of accuracy and precision that I expect difficult.  My
>>> goal was use established flight test protocols to determine what the root
>>> cause was and what could be done to make the airplane more enjoyable and
>>> useful.
>>>
>>> I had planned to present my findings and options to consider if you find
>>> similar qualities in your KR at the gathering, but was limited by time and
>>> weather and unable to attend.
>>>
>>> I would be willing to present my briefing via Zoom on Sept 28 or 29th at
>>> 20:00 EDT if there are several people interested.  Please let me know if
>>> you are interested and which day you prefer so I can reserve that time.
>>> I’m planning on 90 minutes for the presentation and a few questions.  As an
>>> alternative, I may upload it to YouTube if there is not enough interest as
>>> I believe the information gained to be valuable to the community.  I think
>>> an interactive platform would be best, though.  Thank you.
>>>
>>> Adam Deem
>>>
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Re: KRnet> KR2 Handling Qualities Test Presentation Sept 28 or 29?

[Adam Deem via KRnet]

It’s on the 28th at 8:00 EDT, here is the link to join

https://us05web.zoom.us/j/88083062469?pwd=Fl4pt1k39LbntqW6w8dHYgrZ6brAHL.1




On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 1:24 AM Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet 
wrote:

> Adam,
>
> Have you already picked up a day for your zoom meeting on your kr test
> experience? I will definitely attend if it's on the 28th, instead of the
> 29th of September as I will be on TDY to LA that day
>
> Please let us know, including the instructions to attend?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dr. Hsu
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 7:36 PM Adam Deem via KRnet 
> wrote:
>
>> KR Community,
>>
>> I have undertaken a fairly thorough flight test program and handling
>> qualities investigation on my KR2 that I found to be a little bit
>> squirrelly compared to other somewhat similar types (Pitts, Extra, C-150
>> Aerobat, etc).  Although it was fun to fly in most respects, its
>> limitations left me unenthusiastic to fly the KR on pretty great days that
>> I would fly most any other airplane.  I found myself only wanting to fly
>> the KR on absolutely ideal days; and on other days would find my ability to
>> fly to the levels of accuracy and precision that I expect difficult.  My
>> goal was use established flight test protocols to determine what the root
>> cause was and what could be done to make the airplane more enjoyable and
>> useful.
>>
>> I had planned to present my findings and options to consider if you find
>> similar qualities in your KR at the gathering, but was limited by time and
>> weather and unable to attend.
>>
>> I would be willing to present my briefing via Zoom on Sept 28 or 29th at
>> 20:00 EDT if there are several people interested.  Please let me know if
>> you are interested and which day you prefer so I can reserve that time.
>> I’m planning on 90 minutes for the presentation and a few questions.  As an
>> alternative, I may upload it to YouTube if there is not enough interest as
>> I believe the information gained to be valuable to the community.  I think
>> an interactive platform would be best, though.  Thank you.
>>
>> Adam Deem
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Re: KRnet> KR2 Handling Qualities Test Presentation Sept 28 or 29?

[Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet]

Adam,

Have you already picked up a day for your zoom meeting on your kr test
experience? I will definitely attend if it's on the 28th, instead of the
29th of September as I will be on TDY to LA that day

Please let us know, including the instructions to attend?

Cheers,

Dr. Hsu


On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 7:36 PM Adam Deem via KRnet 
wrote:

> KR Community,
>
> I have undertaken a fairly thorough flight test program and handling
> qualities investigation on my KR2 that I found to be a little bit
> squirrelly compared to other somewhat similar types (Pitts, Extra, C-150
> Aerobat, etc).  Although it was fun to fly in most respects, its
> limitations left me unenthusiastic to fly the KR on pretty great days that
> I would fly most any other airplane.  I found myself only wanting to fly
> the KR on absolutely ideal days; and on other days would find my ability to
> fly to the levels of accuracy and precision that I expect difficult.  My
> goal was use established flight test protocols to determine what the root
> cause was and what could be done to make the airplane more enjoyable and
> useful.
>
> I had planned to present my findings and options to consider if you find
> similar qualities in your KR at the gathering, but was limited by time and
> weather and unable to attend.
>
> I would be willing to present my briefing via Zoom on Sept 28 or 29th at
> 20:00 EDT if there are several people interested.  Please let me know if
> you are interested and which day you prefer so I can reserve that time.
> I’m planning on 90 minutes for the presentation and a few questions.  As an
> alternative, I may upload it to YouTube if there is not enough interest as
> I believe the information gained to be valuable to the community.  I think
> an interactive platform would be best, though.  Thank you.
>
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KRnet> registration information

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

If anyone that attended the Gathering met someone they would like to now 
get in contact with or would like to know  "who was the guy from xxx",  
I have the registration forms that might have that info.  I've use them 
to contact several attendees and thought others might like some similar 
info.  If so, contact me off net at fles...@frontier.com  I'll not put 
the information on public display for harvest by spammers.


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Re: KRnet> Not home yet...

[Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet]

Did you take a risk Jeff, to fly your RV home nevertheless with obvious
water damages on your electronics? To me, you are one of the "home
builders" and "experimental pilots" who can walk on water, or flying in the
sky much like others driving on the ground...!!

Nothing short of Amazing!

Cheers,

Dr. Hsu


On Tue, Sep 17, 2024, 6:03 PM Jeff Scott via KRnet 
wrote:

> I finally got the RV home today.  The only casualty to the internal
> soaking was the iFly GPS went Tango Uniform.  Oddly enough, that's the one
> piece of electronics that didn't get wet directly.  I've got it drying out
> in the hangar, but the touch screen no longer responds to touch.  I also
> had a high fuel pressure warning on the engine monitor, but my analog gauge
> indicated all was normal.  That was tracked to a "protective" sleeve over
> the 4 wires from the transducer that got wet inside.  As soon as I removed
> the sleeve, the fuel pressure readings returned to normal.  The new radios
> were fogged over inside the display, as were my gyros, but all worked well
> and have since dried out.  I spent this afternoon redesigning and replacing
> the weatherstrip seals on the canopy and the boot cowl access hatch, both
> of which leaked rather badly.  The plane is in the hangar with the canopy
> open and a fan blowing air around the cockpit and up through the panel.
>
> I'll post some photos from the ride home on the FB site.  Fascinating
> weather to fly in.
>
> -Jeff Scott
> Arkansas Ozarks
>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2024 at 7:46 PM
> *From:* "Adam Deem via KRnet" 
> *To:* "KRnet" 
> *Cc:* "Adam Deem" 
> *Subject:* Re: KRnet> Not home yet...
> Jeff,
>
> I hope all the electronics come out okay.  A portable dehumidifier or a
> few days of airing out in dry weather might help, before attempting to
> smoke check the systems…
>
> Adam
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 8:40 PM Jeff Scott via KRnet 
> wrote:
>
>> Other than Zack, I had the shortest trip home. I got within 15 miles of
>> home before I had to turn back and land 50 miles north of home. I made two
>> more attempts during the day yesterday before tying the plane down out in
>> the weather and calling for a ride home. We had IFR conditions and steady
>> rain for 36 hours, finally clearing this evening. I'll go retrieve the RV
>> in the morning. With all the rain, I discovered a lot of water leaks that
>> I'll need to address. In the mean time, I have about $8000 worth of water
>> soaked electronics that I sure hope I didn't kill.
>>
>> Had I have been about 30 minutes earlier, I would have been home.
>>
>> -Jeff Scott
>> Arkansas Ozarks
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Re: KRnet> Inquiry About Acquiring the KR-2 Project

[Dave Klingler via KRnet]

Marcio,

Do you live in a different Brazil?  I am only familiar with the country in 
South America where VW Type 1 and Type 4 engines are still very easy to buy. 
Once you have your engine, there are still other things to know about making it 
reliable for an airplane.

The VW Type 1 engine is the most popular engine for the KR-2.  A VW Type 4 
engine is also very good, but here in the US they’re very expensive.  GM 
Corvair engines are also popular.

The KR-2 is a wooden airplane covered with foam and fiberglass.  It was 
designed to be built with spruce wood from the US or Canada, but airplanes are 
built with many kinds of wood.  You can find wood in Brazil that is suitable 
for aircraft, but you will need to do research and choose your wood carefully, 
just as one would do in the US.

You have everything you need except for plans.  You can still find KR-2 and 
KR-2S plans for sale on this forum and on homebuiltairplanes.com.

Good luck!
Dave


> On Sep 19, 2024, at 12:25 PM, Márcio Erli via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello, friends!
> 
> I discovered the KR-2 project online and became very interested, especially 
> due to the possibility of using a BMW engine. In Brazil, airplane engines are 
> scarce, and importing them comes with extremely high costs.
> 
> I would like to know how I can acquire the project. I’m evaluating other 
> options, but this one seems the most suitable so far.
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Re: KRnet> Inquiry About Acquiring the KR-2 Project

[Randall Smith via KRnet]

Not sure how Brazil is, but I had a little Mooney mitt that a guy in Australia 
bought. He never checked on shipping when he arranged shipping. It was gonna be 
almost twice as much as what he paid for the airplane so the sale was canceled.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2024, at 2:38 PM, Larry Flesner via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 9/19/2024 1:25 PM, Márcio Erli via KRnet wrote:
>> 
>> In Brazil, airplane engines are scarce, and importing them comes with 
>> extremely high costs.
>> 
>> I would like to know how I can acquire the project.
>> 
> ++
> 
> Marcio,
> 
> I think your question is a bit vague  to expect an answer.  What information 
> exactly are you looking for?  You are in Brazil, where is the project you are 
> interested in?  Do you need someone to inspect the project for you? Do you 
> need information on payment method? How to ship? Import duties if outside 
> Brazil?  Someone can answer you questions if they have more information.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
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Re: KRnet> Inquiry About Acquiring the KR-2 Project

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

On 9/19/2024 1:25 PM, Márcio Erli via KRnet wrote:


In Brazil, airplane engines are scarce, and importing them comes with 
extremely high costs.


I would like to know how I can acquire the project.


++

Marcio,

I think your question is a bit vague  to expect an answer.  What 
information exactly are you looking for?  You are in Brazil, where is 
the project you are interested in?  Do you need someone to inspect the 
project for you? Do you need information on payment method? How to ship? 
Import duties if outside Brazil?  Someone can answer you questions if 
they have more information.


Good luck.

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KRnet> Inquiry About Acquiring the KR-2 Project

[Márcio Erli via KRnet]

Hello, friends!

I discovered the KR-2 project online and became very interested, especially
due to the possibility of using a BMW engine. In Brazil, airplane engines
are scarce, and importing them comes with extremely high costs.

I would like to know how I can acquire the project. I’m evaluating other
options, but this one seems the most suitable so far.
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Re: KRnet> 2024 KR Gathering web page completed

[K W via KRnet]

Thanks for all the photos. Looks like a good time was had by all.
Cheers
Keith
N2022D

On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 3:24 PM  wrote:

> I posted the Gathering photos web page online to krgathering.net this
> morning. Use the left-side link to go to [Past Gatherings] and then to
> [2024 KR Gathering].
>
>
>
> When you browse the photos, be sure you make it down towards the bottom of
> the page. There is a hidden nugget image. Zach got up early on Saturday for
> 90 minutes of yanking and banking creating some skywriting to commemorate
> the event. It’s worth the time to see! We’ve never had something quite that
> special drawn in the air before.
>
>
>
> Thank you to everyone who made the event special. If you have photos you
> want to share on the web page, please send them directly to my personal
> email address below and NOT to this mailing list!
>
>
>
> John Bouyea
> KR-2S/ OR81/ Hillsboro, OR
> 2015 - 2024 *KRGathering.net* Web Guy
>
> Mailto: k...@bouyea.net
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Re: KRnet> KR2 Handling Qualities Presentation via Zoom 9/28 8:00PM EDT

[G R Pickett via KRnet]

I'll be there, at 19:00 CDT

From: KRnet  On Behalf Of Adam Deem via KRnet
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2024 10:43 AM
To: KRnet 
Cc: Adam Deem 
Subject: KRnet> KR2 Handling Qualities Presentation via Zoom 9/28 8:00PM EDT

Fellow KR Enthusiasts,

I will be holding a Zoom webinar on Saturday Sept 28th at 8:00PM EDT covering 
the results of my handling qualities flight test program on my Corvair powered 
KR2. The presentation will be technical in nature, but focused on the practical 
application side and not too deep into the mathematical side.

The topics I will cover are:

 - General aerodynamic concepts related to stability and maneuvering flight

 - KR2 design parameters and variation from design on my KR

- Flight test procedures and safety

- Data obtained from the flight test program

- Potential ideas for design modifications to improve stability at various 
stages from initial  planning through improving a completed and flying airplane

 The presentation will be approximately 90 minutes and I will keep the meeting 
open for about 30 min after for any questions. I'll plan to record the 
presentation and upload a link to YouTube for those who cannot view it live. 
The link for the meeting is listed below:

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Re: KRnet> 2024 KR Gathering web page completed

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

Thanks John for all the photos and posting for our viewing.  Here is a 
larger image of Zach's efforts for those that haven't found it yet.


My guess is that was done over 10 to 15 miles of sky.  I built that KR 
but Zach taught it how to write. 🙂


Chris did an even larger one several years ago that I'd ask him to post 
and the inspiration for doing it.


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KRnet> (no subject)

[james flowers via KRnet]

Thanks Larry for sending the song out, very lovely
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Re: KRnet> Lyrics

[james flowers via KRnet]

Thanks, very lovely

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 7:04 PM Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet 
wrote:

> it's truly a beautiful song Larry, and believe or not I enjoyed
> listening to both the lyrics and the music on YouTube prior to my coming to
> the KR gathering on 2021 for the first time!
>
> Are you going to write another song and singing it at the KR gathering
> next year?!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dr. Hsu
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 5:45 PM Larry Flesner via KRnet <
> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> I got request for the lyrics from those unable to open the attachment.
>> This is not ideal but everyone that wants them can get them this way.
>>
>> Larry Flesner
>>
>>  NO NEED TO CRY WHEN I’M GONE
>>
>> ¾ time, moderate speed
>>
>> Verse 1
>>
>> A
>> D  A
>>
>> There’s a day I knows’ coming that’s the end of the line
>>
>> A
>>E
>>
>> There’s always a last day and I know I’ll have mine
>>
>>  A   D  A
>>
>> I had plenty of chances at singing life’s song
>>
>> A  E  A
>>
>> So there’s no need to cry when I’m gone
>>
>>
>>
>> Verse 2
>>
>> A  D  A
>>
>> I was loved by a lady I was dad to a child
>>
>> A
>> E
>>
>> There were times life was boring other times it was wild
>>
>> A   D
>> A
>>
>> There were times that I lost there were times that I’d win
>>
>> A  E A
>>
>> Life’s a special event it won’t happen again
>>
>>
>>
>> CHORUS
>>
>> A D A
>>
>>
>> Some will say I’m in heaven others say that they’re wrong
>>
>> A   E A
>>
>> But there’s no need to cry when I’m gone
>>
>> A  DA  D
>>
>> Cause I lived a good life it was happy and long
>>
>>   AE  A
>>
>> So there’s no need to cry when I’m gone
>>
>>
>>
>> Verse 3
>>
>> A
>> DA
>>
>> There were times I was right there were times I was wrong
>>
>> A
>> E
>>
>> Times I could have tried harder when I just moved along
>>
>>  AD   A
>>
>> I once saw a sunset that inspired a song
>>
>> A  E   A
>>
>> So there’s no need to cry when I’m gone
>>
>>
>>
>> CHORUS
>>
>>
>>
>> Closing lines:
>>
>>
>>
>> (I was never so happy as when singing my songs
>>
>> So there’s no need to cry when I’m gone)
>>
>>
>>
>> © 8/26/2018 Larry Flesner, Carterville, Illinois, 62918
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Re: KRnet> KR2 Handling Qualities Presentation via Zoom 9/28 8:00PM EDT

[Jeff York via KRnet]

Sounds awesome and this type of forum in my opinion is a great way for
those of us who can't participate like we would like to participate.. I
certainly should have come to this year's gathering but once again I was
afraid of work items on the following Monday being a problem if I
didn't stay home all weekend and prepare for Monday. That's my fault as I
have always let myself do this and why I haven't taken a vacation in over
17 years. Nobody to blame but me.

I have it on my calendar with the link.

W Jeff York

KR2

On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 1:44 PM Adam Deem via KRnet 
wrote:

> Fellow KR Enthusiasts,
>
> I will be holding a Zoom webinar on Saturday Sept 28th at 8:00PM EDT
> covering the results of my handling qualities flight test program on my
> Corvair powered KR2. The presentation will be technical in nature, but
> focused on the practical application side and not too deep into the
> mathematical side.
>
> The topics I will cover are:
>
>  - General aerodynamic concepts related to stability and maneuvering
> flight
>
>  - KR2 design parameters and variation from design on my KR
>
> - Flight test procedures and safety
>
> - Data obtained from the flight test program
>
> - Potential ideas for design modifications to improve stability at various
> stages from initial  planning through improving a completed and flying
> airplane
>
>  The presentation will be approximately 90 minutes and I will keep the
> meeting open for about 30 min after for any questions. I’ll plan to record
> the presentation and upload a link to YouTube for those who cannot view it
> live. The link for the meeting is listed below:
>
>
> https://us05web.zoom.us/j/88083062469?pwd=Fl4pt1k39LbntqW6w8dHYgrZ6brAHL.1
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KRnet> KR2 Handling Qualities Presentation via Zoom 9/28 8:00PM EDT

[Adam Deem via KRnet]

Fellow KR Enthusiasts,

I will be holding a Zoom webinar on Saturday Sept 28th at 8:00PM EDT
covering the results of my handling qualities flight test program on my
Corvair powered KR2. The presentation will be technical in nature, but
focused on the practical application side and not too deep into the
mathematical side.

The topics I will cover are:

 - General aerodynamic concepts related to stability and maneuvering flight

 - KR2 design parameters and variation from design on my KR

- Flight test procedures and safety

- Data obtained from the flight test program

- Potential ideas for design modifications to improve stability at various
stages from initial  planning through improving a completed and flying
airplane

 The presentation will be approximately 90 minutes and I will keep the
meeting open for about 30 min after for any questions. I’ll plan to record
the presentation and upload a link to YouTube for those who cannot view it
live. The link for the meeting is listed below:

 https://us05web.zoom.us/j/88083062469?pwd=Fl4pt1k39LbntqW6w8dHYgrZ6brAHL.1
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Re: KRnet> Not home yet...

[Ray_pilot via KRnet]

Hard core IFR.  I've always heard that sometimes the best decision is when
not to fly.

I got hung out with a damn hurricane.  Couldn't be the week before or the
week after.  Had to be right then.
Huge bummer.  I was really looking forward to flying up there.
And what you got was probably the remnants of the hurricane from here.

Plus my partner in the Sundowner just got his CFII and I will be his first
IFR student.  Still don't want to fly in hard IFR conditions
but I'll be a little bit safer.

Next year guys.  Unless another damn hurricane hits.
I am positive you all had a great time.



Ray_pilot
New Orleans


On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 8:24 PM Luis Claudio via KRnet 
wrote:

> You da man... Scott. Glad your airplane is returning to normal
> Thanks for everything...
>
> Luis
>
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2024 at 06:03:37 PM CDT, Jeff Scott via KRnet <
> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> I finally got the RV home today.  The only casualty to the internal
> soaking was the iFly GPS went Tango Uniform.  Oddly enough, that's the one
> piece of electronics that didn't get wet directly.  I've got it drying out
> in the hangar, but the touch screen no longer responds to touch.  I also
> had a high fuel pressure warning on the engine monitor, but my analog gauge
> indicated all was normal.  That was tracked to a "protective" sleeve over
> the 4 wires from the transducer that got wet inside.  As soon as I removed
> the sleeve, the fuel pressure readings returned to normal.  The new radios
> were fogged over inside the display, as were my gyros, but all worked well
> and have since dried out.  I spent this afternoon redesigning and replacing
> the weatherstrip seals on the canopy and the boot cowl access hatch, both
> of which leaked rather badly.  The plane is in the hangar with the canopy
> open and a fan blowing air around the cockpit and up through the panel.
>
> I'll post some photos from the ride home on the FB site.  Fascinating
> weather to fly in.
>
> -Jeff Scott
> Arkansas Ozarks
>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2024 at 7:46 PM
> *From:* "Adam Deem via KRnet" 
> *To:* "KRnet" 
> *Cc:* "Adam Deem" 
> *Subject:* Re: KRnet> Not home yet...
> Jeff,
>
> I hope all the electronics come out okay.  A portable dehumidifier or a
> few days of airing out in dry weather might help, before attempting to
> smoke check the systems…
>
> Adam
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 8:40 PM Jeff Scott via KRnet 
> wrote:
>
> Other than Zack, I had the shortest trip home. I got within 15 miles of
> home before I had to turn back and land 50 miles north of home. I made two
> more attempts during the day yesterday before tying the plane down out in
> the weather and calling for a ride home. We had IFR conditions and steady
> rain for 36 hours, finally clearing this evening. I'll go retrieve the RV
> in the morning. With all the rain, I discovered a lot of water leaks that
> I'll need to address. In the mean time, I have about $8000 worth of water
> soaked electronics that I sure hope I didn't kill.
>
> Had I have been about 30 minutes earlier, I would have been home.
>
> -Jeff Scott
> Arkansas Ozarks
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Re: KRnet> Not home yet...

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 You da man... Scott. Glad your airplane is returning to normalThanks for 
everything...
Luis 
On Tuesday, September 17, 2024 at 06:03:37 PM CDT, Jeff Scott via KRnet 
 wrote:  
 
 I finally got the RV home today.  The only casualty to the internal soaking 
was the iFly GPS went Tango Uniform.  Oddly enough, that's the one piece of 
electronics that didn't get wet directly.  I've got it drying out in the 
hangar, but the touch screen no longer responds to touch.  I also had a high 
fuel pressure warning on the engine monitor, but my analog gauge indicated all 
was normal.  That was tracked to a "protective" sleeve over the 4 wires from 
the transducer that got wet inside.  As soon as I removed the sleeve, the fuel 
pressure readings returned to normal.  The new radios were fogged over inside 
the display, as were my gyros, but all worked well and have since dried out.  I 
spent this afternoon redesigning and replacing the weatherstrip seals on the 
canopy and the boot cowl access hatch, both of which leaked rather badly.  The 
plane is in the hangar with the canopy open and a fan blowing air around the 
cockpit and up through the panel. I'll post some photos from the ride home on 
the FB site.  Fascinating weather to fly in. -Jeff ScottArkansas Ozarks  Sent: 
Monday, September 16, 2024 at 7:46 PM
From: "Adam Deem via KRnet" 
To: "KRnet" 
Cc: "Adam Deem" 
Subject: Re: KRnet> Not home yet...Jeff, I hope all the electronics come out 
okay.  A portable dehumidifier or a few days of airing out in dry weather might 
help, before attempting to smoke check the systems… Adam On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 
at 8:40 PM Jeff Scott via KRnet  wrote:
Other than Zack, I had the shortest trip home. I got within 15 miles of home 
before I had to turn back and land 50 miles north of home. I made two more 
attempts during the day yesterday before tying the plane down out in the 
weather and calling for a ride home. We had IFR conditions and steady rain for 
36 hours, finally clearing this evening. I'll go retrieve the RV in the 
morning. With all the rain, I discovered a lot of water leaks that I'll need to 
address. In the mean time, I have about $8000 worth of water soaked electronics 
that I sure hope I didn't kill.

Had I have been about 30 minutes earlier, I would have been home.

-Jeff Scott
Arkansas Ozarks

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Re: KRnet> Not home yet...

[Jeff Scott via KRnet]

I finally got the RV home today.  The only casualty to the internal soaking was the iFly GPS went Tango Uniform.  Oddly enough, that's the one piece of electronics that didn't get wet directly.  I've got it drying out in the hangar, but the touch screen no longer responds to touch.  I also had a high fuel pressure warning on the engine monitor, but my analog gauge indicated all was normal.  That was tracked to a "protective" sleeve over the 4 wires from the transducer that got wet inside.  As soon as I removed the sleeve, the fuel pressure readings returned to normal.  The new radios were fogged over inside the display, as were my gyros, but all worked well and have since dried out.  I spent this afternoon redesigning and replacing the weatherstrip seals on the canopy and the boot cowl access hatch, both of which leaked rather badly.  The plane is in the hangar with the canopy open and a fan blowing air around the cockpit and up through the panel.

 

I'll post some photos from the ride home on the FB site.  Fascinating weather to fly in.

 

-Jeff Scott

Arkansas Ozarks

 
 

Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 at 7:46 PM
From: "Adam Deem via KRnet" 
To: "KRnet" 
Cc: "Adam Deem" 
Subject: Re: KRnet> Not home yet...


Jeff,

 

I hope all the electronics come out okay.  A portable dehumidifier or a few days of airing out in dry weather might help, before attempting to smoke check the systems…

 

Adam

 

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 8:40 PM Jeff Scott via KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:


Other than Zack, I had the shortest trip home. I got within 15 miles of home before I had to turn back and land 50 miles north of home. I made two more attempts during the day yesterday before tying the plane down out in the weather and calling for a ride home. We had IFR conditions and steady rain for 36 hours, finally clearing this evening. I'll go retrieve the RV in the morning. With all the rain, I discovered a lot of water leaks that I'll need to address. In the mean time, I have about $8000 worth of water soaked electronics that I sure hope I didn't kill.

Had I have been about 30 minutes earlier, I would have been home.

-Jeff Scott
Arkansas Ozarks

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Re: KRnet> KR Gathering 2025

[Chris Pryce via KRnet]

Yeah. There was no way I could make it to Mt Vernon in one day without
flying at night. I do not have the required equipment for night VFR so I
ended up landing at Hastings, Nebraska on the first day to sleep.

On Tue, Sep 17, 2024, 08:59 Oscar Zuniga via KRnet 
wrote:

> Netters;
>
> Very interesting and inspiring to read about Chris Pryce's flight to MVN
> for this year's Gathering.  I often sit with SkyVector and a few minutes of
> dreaming time to run some what-ifs and I had run something similar for next
> year in N335KC.  It's roughly equal legs, three fuel stops, but who knows
> how long it might take to fly it from where I am in southern Oregon?
>
> Medford, OR (KMFR) to Twin Falls, ID (KTWF)- 429 statute miles via
> direct.  Fuel stop #1
> KTWF - Laramie, WY (KLAR)- 461 statute via direct.  Fuel stop #2
> KLAR - Marysville KS (KMYZ) - 486 statute via direct.  Fuel stop #3
> KMYZ - KMVN - 430 statute via direct.
>
> Total: 1,806 miles.  If the plane could average 130 MPH over the ground
> (ambitious, to be sure), that would be 14 flight hours.  No way I'm
> attempting that all in one day, especially since MVN is two hours ahead of
> Pacific time.  Lifting off at maybe 5 AM here, it would already be 7 AM at
> Mount Vernon and 14 hours plus fuel stops would be out of the question.  As
> Dirty Harry reminded us, "a man's got to know his limitations".
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
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KRnet> KR Gathering 2025

[Oscar Zuniga via KRnet]

Netters;

Very interesting and inspiring to read about Chris Pryce's flight to MVN for 
this year's Gathering.  I often sit with SkyVector and a few minutes of 
dreaming time to run some what-ifs and I had run something similar for next 
year in N335KC.  It's roughly equal legs, three fuel stops, but who knows how 
long it might take to fly it from where I am in southern Oregon?

Medford, OR (KMFR) to Twin Falls, ID (KTWF)- 429 statute miles via direct.  
Fuel stop #1
KTWF - Laramie, WY (KLAR)- 461 statute via direct.  Fuel stop #2
KLAR - Marysville KS (KMYZ) - 486 statute via direct.  Fuel stop #3
KMYZ - KMVN - 430 statute via direct.

Total: 1,806 miles.  If the plane could average 130 MPH over the ground 
(ambitious, to be sure), that would be 14 flight hours.  No way I'm attempting 
that all in one day, especially since MVN is two hours ahead of Pacific time.  
Lifting off at maybe 5 AM here, it would already be 7 AM at Mount Vernon and 14 
hours plus fuel stops would be out of the question.  As Dirty Harry reminded 
us, "a man's got to know his limitations".

Oscar Zuniga
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Re: KRnet> KR2 Handling Qualities Test Presentation Sept 28 or 29?

[Evan Burgess via KRnet]

I’ll personally be working both those days so I can’t guarantee I could log 
into a zoom meeting, but I could certainly watch a YouTube video at my leisure! 
I’d definitely like to hear your experience in flight testing if you record it.

-Evan Burgess

> 
> I would be willing to present my briefing via Zoom on Sept 28 or 29th at 
> 20:00 EDT if there are several people interested.  Please let me know if you 
> are interested and which day you prefer so I can reserve that time.  I’m 
> planning on 90 minutes for the presentation and a few questions.  As an 
> alternative, I may upload it to YouTube if there is not enough interest as I 
> believe the information gained to be valuable to the community.  I think an 
> interactive platform would be best, though.  Thank you.
> 
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Re: KRnet> Gathering

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 Chris, it was really a pleasure to visit and hangout with you at the camping 
grounds. Love what you did with your airplane and the stories... see you next 
year...
Luis
On Monday, September 16, 2024 at 11:52:18 AM CDT,  
wrote:  
 
 Thankful for your safety on such a long flight. It certainly was great to 
visit with all of you folks.




 I made it home yesterday in time for dinner. 12.7hours of flying with two fuel 
stops. I had a great time seeingeveryone. Can't wait for next year.
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Re: KRnet> Freebird plan

[Tom Kyler via KRnet]

No, there is no chance of that happening.   The possibility of minor tweaks as 
the details evolve still exist and it is not the kind of thing you want to be 
even 1/8" off.


Tom Kyler
tom.w.ky...@gmail.com
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> On Sep 16, 2024, at 6:36 PM, Dave Klingler via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Any chance that the boat plans, if they're near completion, could be put up 
> on the website?  That would allow folks to get started.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:14 AM David Swanson via KRnet  <mailto:krnet@list.krnet.org>> wrote:
>> I have parts for a kit wing and tail section mostly but have odd and end 
>> pieces as well I really want to sell along w 2 corvair engines all broken 
>> down.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024, 8:11 AM Larry Flesner via KRnet > <mailto:krnet@list.krnet.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/27/2024 11:24 PM, ROBERT HARTMAIER via KRnet wrote:
>>>> I have the original KR-2 plans, and I agree that they are very basic and 
>>>> leave much to the knowledge and experience of the builder.  It seems to me 
>>>> that I saw on this site a reference to a later version, perhaps from 
>>>> around the late 1980's or early 1990's, that were more detailed, and 
>>>> incorporated the latest modifications that had been recommended by other 
>>>> builders.  Anyone have  a link to these instructions for new builders?
>>>>  
>>>> Bob
>>> +
>>> 
>>> I'm guessing you are referring to the 2S (KR2S) supplement.  Over the years 
>>> a number of good changes have been made by RR and builders.  Fuselage 
>>> length / shape, increased size / shape of the tail surfaces, new main wing 
>>> airfoil shape among the major changes.  I'm sure these changes and more 
>>> will be included in the Freebird update effort.  All these changes have 
>>> been discussed in the e-mails over the last 20 years if you have the time 
>>> to research.  The KR Gathering in 2 weeks at Mt.Vernon, Illinois is the 
>>> place to see/discuss/ learn about everything you ever wanted to know about 
>>> the KR design. 
>>> 
>>> In addition to seeing, touching, and drooling over the KR's in attendance 
>>> there will be several forums on building / flying the KR.  I'll be 
>>> presenting a short forum on the absolute brain dead easy way to build a 
>>> straight flying airplane for all new builders.
>>> 
>>> www.krgathering.net <http://www.krgathering.net/>
>>> Come join the fun
>>> 
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Re: KRnet> Not home yet...

[Adam Deem via KRnet]

Jeff,

I hope all the electronics come out okay.  A portable dehumidifier or a few
days of airing out in dry weather might help, before attempting to smoke
check the systems…

Adam

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 8:40 PM Jeff Scott via KRnet 
wrote:

> Other than Zack, I had the shortest trip home. I got within 15 miles of
> home before I had to turn back and land 50 miles north of home. I made two
> more attempts during the day yesterday before tying the plane down out in
> the weather and calling for a ride home. We had IFR conditions and steady
> rain for 36 hours, finally clearing this evening. I'll go retrieve the RV
> in the morning. With all the rain, I discovered a lot of water leaks that
> I'll need to address. In the mean time, I have about $8000 worth of water
> soaked electronics that I sure hope I didn't kill.
>
> Had I have been about 30 minutes earlier, I would have been home.
>
> -Jeff Scott
> Arkansas Ozarks
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KRnet> Not home yet...

[Jeff Scott via KRnet]

Other than Zack, I had the shortest trip home.  I got within 15 miles of home before I had to turn back and land 50 miles north of home.   I made two more attempts during the day yesterday before tying the plane down out in the weather and calling for a ride home.   We had IFR conditions and steady rain for 36 hours, finally clearing this evening.  I'll go retrieve the RV in the morning.  With all the rain,  I discovered a lot of water leaks that I'll need to address.  In the mean time, I have about $8000 worth of water soaked electronics that I sure hope I didn't kill. Had I have been about 30 minutes earlier, I would have been home.-Jeff ScottArkansas Ozarks--Sent with GMX Mail app
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KRnet> KR2 Handling Qualities Test Presentation Sept 28 or 29?

[Adam Deem via KRnet]

KR Community,

I have undertaken a fairly thorough flight test program and handling
qualities investigation on my KR2 that I found to be a little bit
squirrelly compared to other somewhat similar types (Pitts, Extra, C-150
Aerobat, etc).  Although it was fun to fly in most respects, its
limitations left me unenthusiastic to fly the KR on pretty great days that
I would fly most any other airplane.  I found myself only wanting to fly
the KR on absolutely ideal days; and on other days would find my ability to
fly to the levels of accuracy and precision that I expect difficult.  My
goal was use established flight test protocols to determine what the root
cause was and what could be done to make the airplane more enjoyable and
useful.

I had planned to present my findings and options to consider if you find
similar qualities in your KR at the gathering, but was limited by time and
weather and unable to attend.

I would be willing to present my briefing via Zoom on Sept 28 or 29th at
20:00 EDT if there are several people interested.  Please let me know if
you are interested and which day you prefer so I can reserve that time.
I’m planning on 90 minutes for the presentation and a few questions.  As an
alternative, I may upload it to YouTube if there is not enough interest as
I believe the information gained to be valuable to the community.  I think
an interactive platform would be best, though.  Thank you.

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Re: KRnet> Freebird plan

[Dave Klingler via KRnet]

Any chance that the boat plans, if they're near completion, could be put up
on the website?  That would allow folks to get started.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:14 AM David Swanson via KRnet <
krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:

> I have parts for a kit wing and tail section mostly but have odd and end
> pieces as well I really want to sell along w 2 corvair engines all broken
> down.
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024, 8:11 AM Larry Flesner via KRnet <
> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 8/27/2024 11:24 PM, ROBERT HARTMAIER via KRnet wrote:
>>
>> I have the original KR-2 plans, and I agree that they are very basic and
>> leave much to the knowledge and experience of the builder.  It seems to me
>> that I saw on this site a reference to a later version, perhaps from around
>> the late 1980's or early 1990's, that were more detailed, and incorporated
>> the latest modifications that had been recommended by other builders.
>> Anyone have  a link to these instructions for new builders?
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> +
>>
>> I'm guessing you are referring to the 2S (KR2S) supplement.  Over the
>> years a number of good changes have been made by RR and builders.  Fuselage
>> length / shape, increased size / shape of the tail surfaces, new main wing
>> airfoil shape among the major changes.  I'm sure these changes and more
>> will be included in the Freebird update effort.  All these changes have
>> been discussed in the e-mails over the last 20 years if you have the time
>> to research.  The KR Gathering in 2 weeks at Mt.Vernon, Illinois is the
>> place to see/discuss/ learn about everything you ever wanted to know about
>> the KR design.
>>
>> In addition to seeing, touching, and drooling over the KR's in attendance
>> there will be several forums on building / flying the KR.  I'll be
>> presenting a short forum on the absolute brain dead easy way to build a
>> straight flying airplane for all new builders.
>>
>> www.krgathering.net
>>
>> Come join the fun
>>
>> Larry Flesner
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Re: KRnet> Lyrics

[Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet]

it's truly a beautiful song Larry, and believe or not I enjoyed
listening to both the lyrics and the music on YouTube prior to my coming to
the KR gathering on 2021 for the first time!

Are you going to write another song and singing it at the KR gathering next
year?!

Cheers,

Dr. Hsu


On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 5:45 PM Larry Flesner via KRnet 
wrote:

>
> I got request for the lyrics from those unable to open the attachment.
> This is not ideal but everyone that wants them can get them this way.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>  NO NEED TO CRY WHEN I’M GONE
>
> ¾ time, moderate speed
>
> Verse 1
>
> AD
> A
>
> There’s a day I knows’ coming that’s the end of the line
>
> A
>E
>
> There’s always a last day and I know I’ll have mine
>
>  A   D  A
>
> I had plenty of chances at singing life’s song
>
> A  E  A
>
> So there’s no need to cry when I’m gone
>
>
>
> Verse 2
>
> A  D  A
>
> I was loved by a lady I was dad to a child
>
> A
> E
>
> There were times life was boring other times it was wild
>
> A   D
> A
>
> There were times that I lost there were times that I’d win
>
> A  E A
>
> Life’s a special event it won’t happen again
>
>
>
> CHORUS
>
> A D A
>
>
> Some will say I’m in heaven others say that they’re wrong
>
> A   E A
>
> But there’s no need to cry when I’m gone
>
> A  DA  D
>
> Cause I lived a good life it was happy and long
>
>   AE  A
>
> So there’s no need to cry when I’m gone
>
>
>
> Verse 3
>
> A
> DA
>
> There were times I was right there were times I was wrong
>
> A
> E
>
> Times I could have tried harder when I just moved along
>
>  AD   A
>
> I once saw a sunset that inspired a song
>
> A  E   A
>
> So there’s no need to cry when I’m gone
>
>
>
> CHORUS
>
>
>
> Closing lines:
>
>
>
> (I was never so happy as when singing my songs
>
> So there’s no need to cry when I’m gone)
>
>
>
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Re: KRnet> KR Gathering

[Adam Deem via KRnet]

Griff,

I think it might be of benefit to the entire KR community as I’ve seen very
little discussion from years past about how to evaluate and improve
longitudinal handling deficiencies after an airplane is built, even though
it is very common in the production aircraft test and development process.
Longitudinal stability and pitch sensitivity/pilot induced oscillation
tendencies in the KR series have been discussed at length, but I haven’t
seen any quantitative or standard task-based qualitative flight test
analysis of the issue in the archives, even though many builders have taken
a stab at modifications seek to improve stability.  My goal is to add some
additional data and results of testing to the body of knowledge and help
builders and owners to have the knowledge to improve deficiences if they
exist.

It would also be interesting to recruit a couple experienced pilots with
different aircraft configurations, I’m thinking Mark Langford (multiple
KRs), Chris Pryce (Corvair KR2S w/ mods), Zach Martine (O200 KR2S), John
Shaffer (nose wheel KR2), and any other experienced pilots who wants to
participate in gathering data to gain a better understanding of how well
particular configurations affect the handling qualities.

I think my particular aircraft might be on the more pitch sensitive end of
the spectrum, but I believe it is by no means alone.  My goal is to give
folks some options to consider for making their airplane better behaved and
more enjoyable depending on what phase of build they are in from beginning
to improving an already flying airplane like mine.  I’ve flown a lot of
different aircraft types and my KR is the second most challenging I’ve been
at the controls of to fly well, but I think it doesn’t have to be.

 I’m thinking I’ll either offer up a time, perhaps the evening of the 29th,
to join a Zoom webinar or I can record it for upload to YouTube to share
with those who are interested.  I think I’d prefer to do it on Zoom so
folks can ask questions, though.

If anyone is interested in a Zoom presentation on Sept 29th at 8PM Eastern
time I’ll gladly reserve the time, please replay to me via email or text at
three-three-zero-313-9601.

Blue skies and smooth landings,

Adam Deem



On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 5:52 PM G R Pickett via KRnet 
wrote:

> Adam,
>
> Your presentation **might** benefit me, if I can get back on my project.
> It looks like I’ll get that opportunity this fall/winter.
>
> I would be glad to serve as a proofreader of sounding board for that
> handling qualities/ flight test/improvements that you would have talked
> about.
>
> Griff
>
>
>
> *From:* KRnet  *On Behalf Of *Luis Claudio
> via KRnet
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 15, 2024 9:29 PM
> *To:* Adam Deem via KRnet 
> *Cc:* Luis Claudio 
> *Subject:* Re: KRnet> KR Gathering
>
>
>
> Adam, I think we surely would have enjoyed that, we had plenty of free
> time since a few of our presenters could not make it due to weather. We
> will be returning to KMVN again next year, you can start planning your
> visit now...
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
>
> Luis R Claudio
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 06:04:19 PM CDT, Adam Deem via KRnet <
> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Howdy KR folks,
>
>
>
> I was planning to fly out to Mt. Vernon early in the morning tomorrow and
> stay though the weekend, but it looks like the weather there is going to be
> beyond the KRs capabilities, and my solid IFR backup option from the flying
> club is down for maintenance.  Today was perfect weather but I was tied up
> all day and unable to hit the road when I would have liked due to family
> obligations.
>
>
>
> I was planning to give a briefing on my handling qualities flight test
> program that I conducted on my KR and options for improving longitudinal
> handling qualities.
>
>
>
> I’m not sure if we might have the ability to conduct the briefing to the
> conference room via Zoom, if we do I’d be happy to present it that way.
> Otherwise I’ll plan on adding to it a little and plan to do a very
> extensive one next year, probably in two parts.  I think much of the the
> information will be helpful to many builders and pilots who want to improve
> their KR.
>
>
>
>
>
> Adam
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KRnet> KRs and guitars

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

KR's and guitars.  There's the start of a hook line for a song. I met a 
fellow builder at the Gathering this past weekend that has a house full 
of guitars and loves music.  If anyone on the net is a musician and 
looking for original material, contact me off net at 
fles...@frontier.com and I'd be happy to share any of the hundred or so 
songs I've penned over the years.  There might be one or two you'd like,


Anyone that has photos or stories from this years Gathering to share, 
get them posted or send photos to John for posting on the Gathering 
site.  k...@bouyea.net


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KRnet> Lyrics

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

I got request for the lyrics from those unable to open the attachment.  
This is not ideal but everyone that wants them can get them this way.


Larry Flesner

NO NEED TO CRY WHEN I’M GONE

¾ time, moderate speed

Verse 1

ADA

There’s a day I knows’ coming that’s the end of the line

AE

There’s always a last day and I know I’ll have mine

ADA

I had plenty of chances at singing life’s song

AEA

So there’s no need to cry when I’m gone

Verse 2

ADA

I was loved by a lady I was dad to a child

AE

There were times life was boring other times it was wild

ADA

There were times that I lost there were times that I’d win

AEA

Life’s a special event it won’t happen again

CHORUS

ADA

Some will say I’m in heaven others say that they’re wrong

AEA

But there’s no need to cry when I’m gone

ADAD

Cause I lived a good life it was happy and long

AEA

So there’s no need to cry when I’m gone

Verse 3

ADA

There were times I was right there were times I was wrong

AE

Times I could have tried harder when I just moved along

ADA

I once saw a sunset that inspired a song

AEA

So there’s no need to cry when I’m gone

CHORUS

Closing lines:

(I was never so happy as when singing my songs

So there’s no need to cry when I’m gone)

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Re: KRnet> Return from Gathering

[G R Pickett via KRnet]

Janet and I left mid-morning on Sunday.  Stopped for lunch in St Louis and 
replenished my craft beer stash. Stopped outside of KC to look at a pop-up 
camper she’d seen on the outbound (too big for our needs).  Listened to Chiefs 
game on radio, then watched the 2nd half in the living room.
To whomever left 3 Guinesses in my cooler:  I will think of that campfire as I 
empty them - thanks!
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Re: KRnet> KR Gathering

[G R Pickett via KRnet]

Adam,
Your presentation *might* benefit me, if I can get back on my project.  It 
looks like I'll get that opportunity this fall/winter.
I would be glad to serve as a proofreader of sounding board for that handling 
qualities/ flight test/improvements that you would have talked about.
Griff

From: KRnet  On Behalf Of Luis Claudio via KRnet
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2024 9:29 PM
To: Adam Deem via KRnet 
Cc: Luis Claudio 
Subject: Re: KRnet> KR Gathering

Adam, I think we surely would have enjoyed that, we had plenty of free time 
since a few of our presenters could not make it due to weather. We will be 
returning to KMVN again next year, you can start planning your visit now...

Best regards

Luis R Claudio

On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 06:04:19 PM CDT, Adam Deem via KRnet 
mailto:krnet@list.krnet.org>> wrote:


Howdy KR folks,

I was planning to fly out to Mt. Vernon early in the morning tomorrow and stay 
though the weekend, but it looks like the weather there is going to be beyond 
the KRs capabilities, and my solid IFR backup option from the flying club is 
down for maintenance.  Today was perfect weather but I was tied up all day and 
unable to hit the road when I would have liked due to family obligations.

I was planning to give a briefing on my handling qualities flight test program 
that I conducted on my KR and options for improving longitudinal handling 
qualities.

I'm not sure if we might have the ability to conduct the briefing to the 
conference room via Zoom, if we do I'd be happy to present it that way.  
Otherwise I'll plan on adding to it a little and plan to do a very extensive 
one next year, probably in two parts.  I think much of the the information will 
be helpful to many builders and pilots who want to improve their KR.


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Re: KRnet> Memorializing 2018 gathering

[Phillip Matheson via KRnet]

Excellent memories. Well done. Good singing Larry Phil MathesonKR2Ss Sent from my iPhoneOn 16 Sep 2024, at 22:31, Luis Claudio via KRnet  wrote:For those that were unable to attend the 2024 Gathering, I asked and got permission from Larry Flesner if I could re-post the video of Larry singing several of his iconic songs which includes my very favorite " No need to cry when I'm gone..." I wanted to memorialize this particular gathering as I consider it one of the best having watched most of the videos posted about our events. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Thank you, Larry for the years of service to this great aviation community.Luis R ClaudioN8981S KR2SDallas, Texas2018 KR Gathering Mt Vernon, IL (youtube.com)2018 KR Gathering Mt Vernon, IL-- KRnet mailing listKRnet@list.krnet.orghttps://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet-- 
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KRnet> contact?

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

Brian Law, e-mail me off net.   fles...@frontier.com

Larry Flesner

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KRnet> Gathering and Valve woes

[Zachary Martine via KRnet]

Howdy all,

I made it home this morning after a slightly shortened gathering for myself
to be able to run up north and raid my supply chest of airplane parts. For
those of you in attendance you would be familiar that I had just replaced a
cylinder only a few hours prior for a bad exhaust leak that turned into a
worn out seat. And this is not the first time it has done it either- well
throughout the gathering that familiar leak started creeping back. Not
particularly wanting to part with my new cylinder I ran up north to try
something new- when chatting with a few of the attendees I came to the
realization that my pushrod for my exhaust valve wasn't quite the right
size. Someone (not Larry) in the past must have been trying to play fix a
flat and installed a longer than standard rod, causing the valve to hang
open just a tiny bit, causing this recurring issue.

I'm happy to report that after a shorter rod was installed, and a fresh lap
of the valve- the leak is all but gone after a hard 3 hours of running on
my test flight and my return home to Carbondale today.

See attached for the collection of pushrods that I have- an order to Fresno
might be in the works.

See you all next year! Sorry I couldn't make dinner.

Zach Martine
N211LF
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Re: KRnet> Gathering

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

On 9/16/2024 8:06 AM, Chris Pryce via KRnet wrote:
I made it home yesterday in time for dinner. 12.7 hours of flying with 
two fuel stops. I had a great time seeing everyone. Can't wait for 
next year.


Chris Pryce

+++



Chris,

There is more to your journey home than "I made it home for dinner".  
Please share the details when you get time.  Same for the other flyers,  
Jeff had weather, etc.


Chris covered parts of 7 states, 3 time zones, and 1550 miles in one day 
with 2 fuel stops in a KR.  Some kind of record?


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KRnet> Post you're Going Home Reports Here

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

Dr Hsu and I left right after the dinner and ceremonies, we traveled all night 
(Co-pilot slept most of the way). We arrived in Dallas sometime around 8 am. We 
visited my KR so that Dr Hsu could see it and ask questions (boy did he...). 
He texted me several hours later reporting that he had arrived safely at his 
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Re: KRnet> Memorializing 2018 gathering

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

Thanks, Luis.  I think it will be obvious to all that no record deals or 
recording contracts resulted from that performance but we do enjoy 
hearing ourselves making musical noises.  It is always a bit hard to 
hear the lyrics over a P.A. so I'll attach them here so you can follow 
the bouncing ball.  Open the attachment while you listen to the song.


Lets hear some going home reports from this years attendees.

Larry Flesner



On 9/16/2024 7:31 AM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote:
For those that were unable to attend the 2024 Gathering, I asked and 
got permission from Larry Flesner if I could re-post the video of 
Larry singing several of his iconic songs which includes my very 
favorite " No need to cry when I'm gone..."


Luis R Claudio
N8981S KR2S
Dallas, Texas

2018 KR Gathering Mt Vernon, IL (youtube.com) 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCOwV6AOFX0>








2018 KR Gathering Mt Vernon, IL

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCOwV6AOFX0>





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Re: KRnet> Gathering

[Chris Pryce via KRnet]

I made it home yesterday in time for dinner. 12.7 hours of flying with two
fuel stops. I had a great time seeing everyone. Can't wait for next year.

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KRnet> Memorializing 2018 gathering

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

For those that were unable to attend the 2024 Gathering, I asked and got 
permission from Larry Flesner if I could re-post the video of Larry singing 
several of his iconic songs which includes my very favorite " No need to cry 
when I'm gone..." 
I wanted to memorialize this particular gathering as I consider it one of the 
best having watched most of the videos posted about our events. 
I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Thank you, Larry for the years of service 
to this great aviation community.
Luis R ClaudioN8981S KR2SDallas, Texas
2018 KR Gathering Mt Vernon, IL (youtube.com)

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2018 KR Gathering Mt Vernon, IL


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KRnet> Memorializing our 2018 Gathering

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

For those that were unable to attend the 2024 Gathering, I ask and got 
permission from Larry Flesner if I could re-post the video of Larry singing 
several of his iconic songs which includes my very favorite " No need to cry 
when I'm gone..." 
I wanted to memorialize this particular gathering as I consider it as one of 
the best having watched most of the videos posted about our events. 
I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Thank you Larry for the years of service 
to this great aviation community.
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Re: KRnet> KR Gathering

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 Adam, I think we surely would have enjoyed that, we had plenty of free time 
since a few of our presenters could not make it due to weather. We will be 
returning to KMVN again next year, you can start planning your visit now... 
Best regards
Luis R Claudio
On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 06:04:19 PM CDT, Adam Deem via KRnet 
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 Howdy KR folks,
I was planning to fly out to Mt. Vernon early in the morning tomorrow and stay 
though the weekend, but it looks like the weather there is going to be beyond 
the KRs capabilities, and my solid IFR backup option from the flying club is 
down for maintenance.  Today was perfect weather but I was tied up all day and 
unable to hit the road when I would have liked due to family obligations.
I was planning to give a briefing on my handling qualities flight test program 
that I conducted on my KR and options for improving longitudinal handling 
qualities.
I’m not sure if we might have the ability to conduct the briefing to the 
conference room via Zoom, if we do I’d be happy to present it that way.  
Otherwise I’ll plan on adding to it a little and plan to do a very extensive 
one next year, probably in two parts.  I think much of the the information will 
be helpful to many builders and pilots who want to improve their KR.

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KRnet> Gathering

[Larry Flesner via KRnet]

As the last one to leave the Mt.Vernon airport this morning I turned out 
the lights and locked the doors to secure it for next years Gathering.  
Thanks to all that made the effort to attend and especially the pilots 
that flew their KRs to Mt.vernon for everyone see, enjoy, and learn 
from.  Thanks to anyone that helped in any way to make the Gathering 
enjoyable for all that attended.


A special ask from me is to send a short note to the following addresses 
thanking Chris and the airport management and the city of Mt.Vernon for 
their hospitality and support for our event. Remind them of the great 
facilities they have and the capable and dedicated airport manager they 
have in Chris.  Chris can never be thanked enough for all he does for 
our group.


Lets hope that everyone has a safe journey home.  Thanks and see you 
next year.


https://www.mtvernonairport.com/contact-mvn/

https://www.facebook.com/MtVernonIL/

Larry Flesner

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Re: KRnet> Gathering

[Roger Baalman via KRnet]

We missed you this year. Time to prep for next year. RogerSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 12, 2024, at 4:21 PM, Roger Bulla  wrote:




Hi all.
 
I was planning to be there this year but some obligations and health issues 
prevent me form attending this year. Everyone have fun and I hope to be there 
next year with my KR.
 
Roger Bulla
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KRnet> KR Gathering

[ROB SCHMITT via KRnet]

I flew home yesterday from the KR Gathering so I could tailgate and watch my KC 
Chiefs today. It was great seeing everyone at the Gathering! I think the 
weather reduced the number of attendees but it was certainly was a great time 
for those who did make it. 

Rob Schmitt 
N1853Z
Lee’s Summit MO



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KRnet> KR Gathering

[Adam Deem via KRnet]

Howdy KR folks,

I was planning to fly out to Mt. Vernon early in the morning tomorrow and
stay though the weekend, but it looks like the weather there is going to be
beyond the KRs capabilities, and my solid IFR backup option from the flying
club is down for maintenance.  Today was perfect weather but I was tied up
all day and unable to hit the road when I would have liked due to family
obligations.

I was planning to give a briefing on my handling qualities flight test
program that I conducted on my KR and options for improving longitudinal
handling qualities.

I’m not sure if we might have the ability to conduct the briefing to the
conference room via Zoom, if we do I’d be happy to present it that way.
Otherwise I’ll plan on adding to it a little and plan to do a very
extensive one next year, probably in two parts.  I think much of the the
information will be helpful to many builders and pilots who want to improve
their KR.


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Re: KRnet> FW: The KR-2 Airplane Rand Robinson Engineering Kit Plans Drawings PLUS | eBay

[dee david via KRnet]

Rich Parker,
I noticed you have a New Hampshire cell number - are you in NH.
I'm in Boston area
David

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 6:29 AM Rich Parker via KRnet 
wrote:

> Kieran, Let us know where you are located.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rich Parker
> +1-603-397-8193
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> Sent from my smartphone
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> *From:* KRnet  on behalf of Kieran Shanley
> via KRnet 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:57:34 PM
> *To:* KRnet 
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> *Subject:* Re: KRnet> FW: The KR-2 Airplane Rand Robinson Engineering Kit
> Plans Drawings PLUS | eBay
>
> Thanks for the heads up. I just bought myself a set of plans on eBay and I
> have myself a copy of the builders manual so I might be able to make a
> start now instead of hassling people about the state of the freebird plans
> :)
>
> Cheers
> Kieran
>
> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 at 1:18 AM,  wrote:
>
> EBay offers KR plans from time-to-time. This particular set is from an
> early release and doesn’t have the “extensive” builder manual. Bootleg
> copies of the written manual exist all over the web.
>
> If you want a copy of plans (maybe it includes a plans serial number?) you
> might consider making a bid on this offering. Maybe supplement it with that
> bootleg builder manual…
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335569869762
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/335569869762%20>
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Re: KRnet> FW: The KR-2 Airplane Rand Robinson Engineering Kit Plans Drawings PLUS | eBay

[Kieran Shanley via KRnet]

Hey everyone,

I’m located in Queensland, Australia.

Cheers

Kieran

On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 at 8:29 PM, Rich Parker 
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> Kieran, Let us know where you are located.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rich Parker
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> *To:* KRnet 
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> *Subject:* Re: KRnet> FW: The KR-2 Airplane Rand Robinson Engineering Kit
> Plans Drawings PLUS | eBay
>
> Thanks for the heads up. I just bought myself a set of plans on eBay and I
> have myself a copy of the builders manual so I might be able to make a
> start now instead of hassling people about the state of the freebird plans
> :)
>
> Cheers
> Kieran
>
> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 at 1:18 AM,  wrote:
>
> EBay offers KR plans from time-to-time. This particular set is from an
> early release and doesn’t have the “extensive” builder manual. Bootleg
> copies of the written manual exist all over the web.
>
> If you want a copy of plans (maybe it includes a plans serial number?) you
> might consider making a bid on this offering. Maybe supplement it with that
> bootleg builder manual…
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335569869762
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/335569869762%20>
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Re: KRnet> FW: The KR-2 Airplane Rand Robinson Engineering Kit Plans Drawings PLUS | eBay

[Rich Parker via KRnet]

Kieran, Let us know where you are located.

Sincerely,

Rich Parker
+1-603-397-8193

Sent from my smartphone

From: KRnet  on behalf of Kieran Shanley via 
KRnet 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:57:34 PM
To: KRnet 
Cc: Kieran Shanley 
Subject: Re: KRnet> FW: The KR-2 Airplane Rand Robinson Engineering Kit Plans 
Drawings PLUS | eBay

Thanks for the heads up. I just bought myself a set of plans on eBay and I have 
myself a copy of the builders manual so I might be able to make a start now 
instead of hassling people about the state of the freebird plans :)

Cheers
Kieran

On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 at 1:18 AM, mailto:k...@bouyea.net>> wrote:

EBay offers KR plans from time-to-time. This particular set is from an early 
release and doesn’t have the “extensive” builder manual. Bootleg copies of the 
written manual exist all over the web.

If you want a copy of plans (maybe it includes a plans serial number?) you 
might consider making a bid on this offering. Maybe supplement it with that 
bootleg builder manual…

https://www.ebay.com/itm/335569869762 <https://www.ebay.com/itm/335569869762%20>







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Re: KRnet> one more wake-up !!!

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 Dr Hsu and I will be arriving about 8 am Friday morning... we will be driving 
again this year... 
Luis 
On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 06:13:26 PM PDT, Chris Pryce via KRnet 
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I flew 8 hours today and made it to Hastings, NE. I'll be there before lunch!

Chris Pryce

On Wed, Sep 11, 2024, 19:16 G R Pickett via KRnet  wrote:


On my way in the morning.  Rough ETA is 1- 5 PM. 

Griff

 

From: KRnet On Behalf Of Larry Flesner via KRnet
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Subject: KRnet> one more wake-up !!!

As my daughters used to say, "one more wake-up" and I'm off to Mt.Vernon.  I 
have my second truck load of Gathering items loaded, cloths packed, and I'm 
ready to boggy at sunup tomorrow.  Weather looks wet but several are already at 
Mt.Vernon.  We have one of the most standard plans-built KR2S already on the 
field (Rob Schmitt)    to look over and the forums should answer any questions 
anyone wants answered.  No reason to cancel plans.

See you in Mt.Vernon

Larry Flesner
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