KR> KR2S gross weight question

2016-08-19 Thread Randall Smith
I have been at 1450 with the one I had but I also had an O200. My wife and I 
would put a weekend bag in the back loaded up with fuel and go.

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> On Aug 18, 2016, at 3:36 PM, mark jones via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Mine is at 1300 and I have flown it at every bit of that weight 
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Dunedin, FL
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KR> KR2S gross weight question

2016-08-19 Thread Doran Jaffas
Very good INFORMATION . Thanks from a new KR fan.
On Aug 19, 2016 8:40 AM, "Mark Langford via KRnet" 
wrote:

> Folks who witnessed the attempted destruction of a stub spar at a past
> Gathering will probably agree that the spars have a significant margin
> of safety on the KRs. The spars were jacked up to the point of being
> bent probably 14" upward from the fuselage, and neither fuselage nor
> spars gave.  Finally, the shear web started to split, but the spars were
> still fine and ready to accept more load.  Anybody who witnesses that
> test had to walk away impressed with the spar strength, especially
> considering that in anything like normal (but bumpy) flight, the wings
> never even flex.
>
> And despite all the concern about the WAFs and their connection, neither
> wing component  is likely to fail, and in fact, never have in any kind
> of normal (not crash) flight.
>
> Larry Flesner and I have seen wings where the spar broke on impact with
> the ground at the bottom of a spin, and the spar broke a few inches from
> the WAF, not at the WAF or the connections from WAF to spars.
>
> Marty Roberts used to fly big guys at the Gathering hard and fast, with
> a gross weight of probably 1200+ pounds, and his g-meter would usually
> come back with 6g's or so stuck on it.  He reset it for every flight.
>
> Just a data point, but I personally will lose no sleep over my spars
> breaking...
>
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KR> KR2S gross weight question

2016-08-19 Thread n357cj
Gary,
I have N357Cj placarded at 1250# but I also lowered the G rating to +4 g and I 
don't remember the negative number right now. but in any case I don't feel it 
is simply a gross weight decision.
Joe Horton


Subject: KR> KR2S gross weight question

I've been researching this for a little while but am not finding any real
info.  What are KR2S builders using as their gross weight?  I'm looking at
tri-gear and Corvair engine.






KR> KR2S gross weight question

2016-08-19 Thread ml at n56ml.com
Folks who witnessed the attempted destruction of a stub spar at a past
Gathering will probably agree that the spars have a significant margin
of safety on the KRs. The spars were jacked up to the point of being
bent probably 14" upward from the fuselage, and neither fuselage nor
spars gave.  Finally, the shear web started to split, but the spars were
still fine and ready to accept more load.  Anybody who witnesses that
test had to walk away impressed with the spar strength, especially
considering that in anything like normal (but bumpy) flight, the wings
never even flex.

And despite all the concern about the WAFs and their connection, neither
wing component  is likely to fail, and in fact, never have in any kind
of normal (not crash) flight.  

Larry Flesner and I have seen wings where the spar broke on impact with
the ground at the bottom of a spin, and the spar broke a few inches from
the WAF, not at the WAF or the connections from WAF to spars.  

Marty Roberts used to fly big guys at the Gathering hard and fast, with
a gross weight of probably 1200+ pounds, and his g-meter would usually
come back with 6g's or so stuck on it.  He reset it for every flight.  

Just a data point, but I personally will lose no sleep over my spars
breaking...

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML "at" N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com





KR> KR2S gross weight question

2016-08-19 Thread Doran Jaffas
I will add one more thought here. In many...not all small aircraft the wing
are just wont lift the weight it would take to break it in NORMAL flight .
As stated by the previous indivdual...aerobatics adds another and lighter
number to normal gross weight.
 I am new to KR aircraft as well and have spoken with some very
knowledgeable folks on here and I plan to use a general number they have
expressed and minus 5% to be extra careful until I understand her needs and
my ability with my KR2 grows.
Doran
On Aug 19, 2016 7:46 AM, "n357cj via KRnet"  wrote:

> Gary,
> I have N357Cj placarded at 1250# but I also lowered the G rating to +4 g
> and I don't remember the negative number right now. but in any case I don't
> feel it is simply a gross weight decision.
> Joe Horton
>
>
> Subject: KR> KR2S gross weight question
>
> I've been researching this for a little while but am not finding any real
> info.  What are KR2S builders using as their gross weight?  I'm looking at
> tri-gear and Corvair engine.
>
>
>
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KR> KR2S gross weight question

2016-08-18 Thread mark jones
Mine is at 1300 and I have flown it at every bit of that weight 

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Dunedin, FL

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KR> KR2S gross weight question

2016-08-18 Thread Chris Gardiner
Gary,
I'm using 1100 lbs on my data plate for my KR2S.
It has a VW 2180. Empty weight is 740 lbs dry.
Right within the range suggested by Mark L.
Some are fLying closer to 1200 lbs in the US.
Centre of gravity position when loaded is a critical factor to maintaining 
control .
Regards
Chris Gardiner

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> On Aug 18, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Gary Wold via KRnet  
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>  What are KR2S builders using as their gross weight?  

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KR> KR2S gross weight question

2016-08-18 Thread Gary Wold
I've been researching this for a little while but am not finding any real
info.  What are KR2S builders using as their gross weight?  I'm looking at
tri-gear and Corvair engine.



Thanks





Gary Wold

Pilotgary at charter.net



KR> KR2S gross weight question

2016-08-18 Thread Doran Jaffas
You can take Mr. Langfords word as golden. He knows.
On Aug 18, 2016 10:04 AM, "Mark Langford via KRnet" 
wrote:

> Gary Wold wrote:
>
> > I've been researching this for a little while but am not finding any real
> > info.  What are KR2S builders using as their gross weight?  I'm looking
> at
> > tri-gear and Corvair engine.
>
> I would think the average is probably between 1100 and 1200 on the data
> plate.
>
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
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KR> KR2S gross weight question

2016-08-18 Thread ml at n56ml.com
Gary Wold wrote:

> I've been researching this for a little while but am not finding any real
> info.  What are KR2S builders using as their gross weight?  I'm looking at
> tri-gear and Corvair engine.

I would think the average is probably between 1100 and 1200 on the data
plate.

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML "at" N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com