KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter
> Just a note to tell you about a flight that i made today in my KR that > can remind all of us about what can happen if you don,t take ALL of > the weather factors into concideration when you go flying. As a side > note i probably have one of the last krs that still have the retracts. > For those of you that made the gathering this year my KR was the one with > the full clamshell gear doors. This is all relevent to the story. Flying > a KR in the north in the winter means that you usually don,t have that > many days that you can fly without freezing to death so you take everyday > that you can get and today was such a day. The temp was in the mid 20,s > with bright sun and not too much of a cross wind at the field where i > base my plane. We had just had a large snow storm 2 days before but thr > runway ws plowed with mostly bare pavement showing. As i taxied my plane > to the active i passed over a lot of snow patches and damp spots on the > black pavement. Takeoff was normal and. i headed for a local airport > about 20 miles away. Ther was a lot of traffic at the field so i > extended my upwind leg a ways to allow for spacing. After entering > downwind i reached to lower the landing gear only to find that it was > frozen solid in the up position. Pucker factor riseing rapidly at this > point. After several min,s of trying i was begining to think that the > only option was that i was giong to have to land on the ski runway on the > belly. I tried one last dive with a sharp pullout while pulling to lower > the gear at the same time when it finally broke loose. I proceeded to > land and when i got out to look the wheel wells were full of ice from the > snow and water that had splashed into them. I flew home with the gear > extended with no further problems. Now i will have to get my plane into a > heated hanger to melt all of the ice before i go flying again. This > turned out to have a happy ending but it could have gone the other way > with a plane that needed a lot of repairs. I have been flying this plane > for 18 years and this is the first time that this has happened. It has > given me a new preflight and taxi item to check. Maybe this will help > someone else from having a similar problem.Kip
KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter
I don't have to worry about the snow. I too have a 20 year old KR2 with the retracts. No door though. I did see yours at the gathering. I may make a set of doors. Lee - Original Message - From: To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 9:33 PM Subject: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > > > Just a note to tell you about a flight that i made today in my KR that > > can remind all of us about what can happen if you don,t take ALL of > > the weather factors into concideration when you go flying. As a side > > note i probably have one of the last krs that still have the retracts. > > For those of you that made the gathering this year my KR was the one with > > the full clamshell gear doors. This is all relevent to the story. Flying > > a KR in the north in the winter means that you usually don,t have that > > many days that you can fly without freezing to death so you take everyday > > that you can get and today was such a day. The temp was in the mid 20,s > > with bright sun and not too much of a cross wind at the field where i > > base my plane. We had just had a large snow storm 2 days before but thr > > runway ws plowed with mostly bare pavement showing. As i taxied my plane > > to the active i passed over a lot of snow patches and damp spots on the > > black pavement. Takeoff was normal and. i headed for a local airport > > about 20 miles away. Ther was a lot of traffic at the field so i > > extended my upwind leg a ways to allow for spacing. After entering > > downwind i reached to lower the landing gear only to find that it was > > frozen solid in the up position. Pucker factor riseing rapidly at this > > point. After several min,s of trying i was begining to think that the > > only option was that i was giong to have to land on the ski runway on the > > belly. I tried one last dive with a sharp pullout while pulling to lower > > the gear at the same time when it finally broke loose. I proceeded to > > land and when i got out to look the wheel wells were full of ice from the > > snow and water that had splashed into them. I flew home with the gear > > extended with no further problems. Now i will have to get my plane into a > > heated hanger to melt all of the ice before i go flying again. This > > turned out to have a happy ending but it could have gone the other way > > with a plane that needed a lot of repairs. I have been flying this plane > > for 18 years and this is the first time that this has happened. It has > > given me a new preflight and taxi item to check. Maybe this will help > > someone else from having a similar problem.Kip > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > >
KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter
Freezing water and slush are not unique hazards to retract gear. Wheel pants can also collect enough freezing water, slush, etc. from the runway to lockup the wheel while you fly around. Try landing with the main gear wheels locked. Fortunately in my case, I landed on a grass strip with a tri-gear aircraft, but it was the shortest landing I have ever made. Pavement would likely have produced two or three blown tires at best. A tail wheel aircraft would have flipped easily. In that frozen wheel situation you have not a clue if that wheel will roll on landing or not until actual touchdown. Sid Wood Mechanicsville, MD USA sidney.w...@titan.com Subject:KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > Just a note to tell you about a flight that i made today in my KR that > can remind all of us about what can happen if you don,t take ALL of > the weather factors into concideration when you go flying. As a side > note i probably have one of the last krs that still have the retracts. > For those of you that made the gathering this year my KR was the one with > the full clamshell gear doors. This is all relevent to the story. Flying > a KR in the north in the winter means that you usually don,t have that > many days that you can fly without freezing to death so you take everyday > that you can get and today was such a day. The temp was in the mid 20,s > with bright sun and not too much of a cross wind at the field where i > base my plane. We had just had a large snow storm 2 days before but thr > runway ws plowed with mostly bare pavement showing. As i taxied my plane > to the active i passed over a lot of snow patches and damp spots on the > black pavement. Takeoff was normal and. i headed for a local airport > about 20 miles away. Ther was a lot of traffic at the field so i > extended my upwind leg a ways to allow for spacing. After entering > downwind i reached to lower the landing gear only to find that it was > frozen solid in the up position. Pucker factor riseing rapidly at this > point. After several min,s of trying i was begining to think that the > only option was that i was giong to have to land on the ski runway on the > belly. I tried one last dive with a sharp pullout while pulling to lower > the gear at the same time when it finally broke loose. I proceeded to > land and when i got out to look the wheel wells were full of ice from the > snow and water that had splashed into them. I flew home with the gear > extended with no further problems. Now i will have to get my plane into a > heated hanger to melt all of the ice before i go flying again. This > turned out to have a happy ending but it could have gone the other way > with a plane that needed a lot of repairs. I have been flying this plane > for 18 years and this is the first time that this has happened. It has > given me a new preflight and taxi item to check. Maybe this will help > someone else from having a similar problem.Kip
KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter
Good to see you are back in one piece Kip. Now admit what really happened, your wheels got hung up in the wheel wells from the snow chains you put on them. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of louns...@midmaine.com Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:33 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > Just a note to tell you about a flight that i made today in my KR that > can remind all of us about what can happen if you don,t take ALL of > the weather factors into concideration when you go flying. As a side > note i probably have one of the last krs that still have the retracts. > For those of you that made the gathering this year my KR was the one with > the full clamshell gear doors. This is all relevent to the story. Flying > a KR in the north in the winter means that you usually don,t have that > many days that you can fly without freezing to death so you take everyday > that you can get and today was such a day. The temp was in the mid 20,s > with bright sun and not too much of a cross wind at the field where i > base my plane. We had just had a large snow storm 2 days before but thr > runway ws plowed with mostly bare pavement showing. As i taxied my plane > to the active i passed over a lot of snow patches and damp spots on the > black pavement. Takeoff was normal and. i headed for a local airport > about 20 miles away. Ther was a lot of traffic at the field so i > extended my upwind leg a ways to allow for spacing. After entering > downwind i reached to lower the landing gear only to find that it was > frozen solid in the up position. Pucker factor riseing rapidly at this > point. After several min,s of trying i was begining to think that the > only option was that i was giong to have to land on the ski runway on the > belly. I tried one last dive with a sharp pullout while pulling to lower > the gear at the same time when it finally broke loose. I proceeded to > land and when i got out to look the wheel wells were full of ice from the > snow and water that had splashed into them. I flew home with the gear > extended with no further problems. Now i will have to get my plane into a > heated hanger to melt all of the ice before i go flying again. This > turned out to have a happy ending but it could have gone the other way > with a plane that needed a lot of repairs. I have been flying this plane > for 18 years and this is the first time that this has happened. It has > given me a new preflight and taxi item to check. Maybe this will help > someone else from having a similar problem.Kip ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter
I think Kip's story say's a lot for all of us to think about. The fact that he has flown this plane for 18 years and never had this problem. Therefore this was never part of his preflight. WOW !! Sure makes me think of what I might be taking for granted or not checking. This story to me is as important as any as it makes us re think. Of course the best part of the story is that it had a positive and happy ending, and this happy ending is what has allowed all of us to learn something. Jeff York KR-2 Flying N839BG Home page http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 Email jeffyor...@qx.net - Original Message - From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: RE: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > Good to see you are back in one piece Kip. Now admit what really happened, > your wheels got hung up in the wheel wells from the snow chains you put on > them. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -Original Message- > From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of louns...@midmaine.com > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:33 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > > > > > Just a note to tell you about a flight that i made today in my KR that > > can remind all of us about what can happen if you don,t take ALL of > > the weather factors into concideration when you go flying. As a side > > note i probably have one of the last krs that still have the retracts. > > For those of you that made the gathering this year my KR was the one with > > the full clamshell gear doors. This is all relevent to the story. Flying > > a KR in the north in the winter means that you usually don,t have that > > many days that you can fly without freezing to death so you take everyday > > that you can get and today was such a day. The temp was in the mid 20,s > > with bright sun and not too much of a cross wind at the field where i > > base my plane. We had just had a large snow storm 2 days before but thr > > runway ws plowed with mostly bare pavement showing. As i taxied my plane > > to the active i passed over a lot of snow patches and damp spots on the > > black pavement. Takeoff was normal and. i headed for a local airport > > about 20 miles away. Ther was a lot of traffic at the field so i > > extended my upwind leg a ways to allow for spacing. After entering > > downwind i reached to lower the landing gear only to find that it was > > frozen solid in the up position. Pucker factor riseing rapidly at this > > point. After several min,s of trying i was begining to think that the > > only option was that i was giong to have to land on the ski runway on the > > belly. I tried one last dive with a sharp pullout while pulling to lower > > the gear at the same time when it finally broke loose. I proceeded to > > land and when i got out to look the wheel wells were full of ice from the > > snow and water that had splashed into them. I flew home with the gear > > extended with no further problems. Now i will have to get my plane into a > > heated hanger to melt all of the ice before i go flying again. This > > turned out to have a happy ending but it could have gone the other way > > with a plane that needed a lot of repairs. I have been flying this plane > > for 18 years and this is the first time that this has happened. It has > > given me a new preflight and taxi item to check. Maybe this will help > > someone else from having a similar problem.Kip > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >
KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter
How do you preflight ice buildup? Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter I think Kip's story say's a lot for all of us to think about. The fact that he has flown this plane for 18 years and never had this problem. Therefore this was never part of his preflight. WOW !!
KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter
What I meant to say was that in 18 years of flying, he may have never really thought of this situation as being a problem It also brought to my mind the thought that wheel pants ( not in his situation) and other items may allow for ice build up from splashing water on the taxiways. Or in other words, it refreshes our minds to remember that winter flying brings with it additional things to consider other then just how to stay warm when we fly. Not sure if I am getting my point across but what I am trying to say that I was glad I read this because it made me think. Jeff York KR-2 Flying N839BG Home page http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 Email jeffyor...@qx.net - Original Message - From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: RE: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > How do you preflight ice buildup? > > Ron Freiberger > mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net > > > > > Subject: Re: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > > I think Kip's story say's a lot for all of us to think about. > > The fact that he has flown this plane for 18 years and never had this > problem. Therefore this was never part of his preflight. WOW !! > > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >
KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter
"Or in other words, it refreshes our minds to remember that winter flying brings with it additional things to consider other then just how to stay warm when we fly." There were a couple of good articles on winter flying in the last Sport Aviation. One had pictures of snow build up on a small airplanes wing. The wing folded! Stephen -Original Message- From: krnet-bounces+steate=compositecooling@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+steate=compositecooling@mylist.net] On Behalf Of jeffyor...@qx.net Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:42 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter What I meant to say was that in 18 years of flying, he may have never really thought of this situation as being a problem It also brought to my mind the thought that wheel pants ( not in his situation) and other items may allow for ice build up from splashing water on the taxiways. Or in other words, it refreshes our minds to remember that winter flying brings with it additional things to consider other then just how to stay warm when we fly. Not sure if I am getting my point across but what I am trying to say that I was glad I read this because it made me think. Jeff York KR-2 Flying N839BG Home page http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 Email jeffyor...@qx.net - Original Message - From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: RE: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > How do you preflight ice buildup? > > Ron Freiberger > mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net > > > > > Subject: Re: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > > I think Kip's story say's a lot for all of us to think about. > > The fact that he has flown this plane for 18 years and never had this > problem. Therefore this was never part of his preflight. WOW !! > > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
