KR> Specs etc...

2008-10-12 Thread Colin & Bev Rainey
John to answer your question, in the higher rpm situations the oil pump can 
pump under pressure the oil volume from the pan faster than gravity can return 
the oil to the pan. Our system and virtually every auto engine made has a 
gravity return, unless it is using a dry sump setup, which I will not go into 
here. Since the size of these oil return holes and gravity are responsible for 
the oil returning to the pan, it is important that we don't run into the 
potential of pumping a majority of our oil into the heads leaving too little in 
the pan, which could "slosh" to one side and uncover the pickup tube, causing 
air to be sucked into the oil system, which is the type of starving I am 
talking about.

I am running the stock oil system with oil cooler and filter in stock 
locations, so my oil pressure volume only needs to be what a new pump is stock 
on a new engine per Chevy. Mark Jones is running longer lines and remote setup 
and I agree this can/will cause some drop in the system pressure, delay in 
volume circulation, so it is appropriate for his system, and anyone like it 
(Mark L, & Bill Clapp) to do the same with in reason.  Just remember that 
anything beyond stock pressures is probably excessive, and is also requiring 
more internal horsepower to generate, leaving a little bit less for the prop.

Multi-viscosity oils are rated by the detergent additives that allow them to 
thicken and thin based on the outside ambient temp, and their temperature of 
operation. Serge, you probably saw numbers changed into the metric system, we 
here would see them posted on literature in F.  The first number before the "W" 
is the winter rating, oil's ability to thin, and the second is the summer 
rating, and ability to thicken, or withstand high temperature before breakdown. 
The manufacturers do not add the "S" because it would be redundant.

Doug and anyone who believes that running straight weight oils is just as good 
as multi-viscosity oils, just look at how long your engines last presently 
compared to the late 60's early 70's.  This is pre-dominantly due to 2 things: 
oil technology, and internal temperature, which both work together to control 
wear.  Filter technology also contributes here. Harley engines for years failed 
after very short times as compared to the Japanese motorcycle engines which 
were modified to take advantage of modern oils and technology. Not until this 
latest emergence of the Harley Evolution series of engines did Harley enter the 
world of truly modern engine design. The use of 20W50 oil in any engine that 
doesn't match the temp of the application for continued use, not just startup 
temp is foolhardy and an act of ignorance to what 50 years of development have 
accomplished. I do not trust "independent" testing in a lot of cases because 
typically the scope of the test is too narrow to be of much value, since it 
will only apply to a limited case/application.  Assembly lubes are thick 
because of the need to maintain lubrication inside the engine in the case that 
the new oil system doesn't prime initially, or there is a delay in the oil 
pressure coming.  All my assembly manuals have you run the engine for a short 
time, drop the oil out, change the filter to remove that assembly lube to 
prevent engine clogging, and then refill and run the engine for approx 50 miles 
or 10 hours of use and change again. This gets the additional metal out that 
gets shaved off parts as they seat themselves, hopefully not much.

We are still running auto engines, and just like our previous discussion on 
oils, need to run what is appropriate for an auto engine, not aviation oils.  
Aviation oils are designed to both handle the particulars of those engines as 
well as deal with the much greater internal clearances that those engines have. 
Mark Jones' post shows the breakdown of the design of the oil he is using, and 
a review of the chart shows that his 15W40 has the ability to handle -33F 
temps, the 10W30 will go down to -40F. Thank you for that post Mark.  This is 
what I was trying to illustrate.  This looks like a very good "designer" oil 
for use since it covers a very broad range of oil temps and use, and does 
include that it is designed for both gasoline and diesel engines. The 
detergents in it for use with diesel engines should also help with the lead of 
100LL that it will be exposed to also.  Thanks again Mark. This will be my oil 
of choice as well after break-in.

Colin

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KR> Specs etc...

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Jones


>Behalf Of Colin & Bev Rainey
>Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 2:14 PM
>To: KRnet
>Subject: KR> Specs etc...

>"Mark Jones' post shows the breakdown of the design of the oil he is using, 
>and a review of the chart shows that his 15W40 has the ability to handle -33F 
>temps, the 10W30 will go down to -40F. This looks like a very good "designer" 
>oil for use since it covers a very broad range of oil temps and use, and does 
>include that it is designed for both gasoline and diesel engines. The 
>detergents in it for use with diesel engines should also help with the lead of 
>100LL that it will be exposed to also.  Thanks again Mark. This will be my oil 
>of choice as well after break-in".

Colin,
I have always read your post very thoroughly and have always respected your 
opinion. Thanks for looking at my oil spec sheet. I find it comforting you 
stated you will also use this oil.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI



Réf. : KR> Specs etc...

2008-10-12 Thread Serge VIDAL
Gee, Colin, you pushed me to do a veeery long Internet search to check 
that one! ;-)

It seems the SAE scale is completely arbitrary. It was made by defining 
brackets ("ratings") on a viscosity table, which itself was defined in the 
International Standard viscosity unit, which is in square millimeters per 
second, AKA Centistokes.

The SAE being the Society of American Engineers, I would have expected 
something from the British Imperial system, but it seems there is no 
Imperial viscosity unit. Since the Imperial system is based on ancient 
kings' body parts, maybe the kings refused to have the viscosity of their 
blood sampled? ;-) 

Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France





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Serge, you probably saw numbers changed into the metric system, we here 
would see them posted on literature in F.  The first number before the "W" 
is the winter rating, oil's ability to thin, and the second is the summer 
rating, and ability to thicken, or withstand high temperature before 
breakdown. The manufacturers do not add the "S" because it would be 
redundant.


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Re: Réf. : KR> Specs etc...

2008-10-12 Thread Orma
The SAE being the Society of American Engineers

SAE  Society of Automotive Engineers

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Réf. : Re: Réf. : KR> Specs etc...

2008-10-12 Thread Serge VIDAL
Yep, I knew that. Probably a Freudian slip, sorry! ;-)

Serge





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The SAE being the Society of American Engineers

SAE  Society of Automotive Engineers

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Re: Réf. : KR> Specs etc...

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Langford
> The SAE being the Society of American Engineers,

Although there is such a thing, it's miniscule compared to the "real" SAE, 
the Society of AUTOMOTIVE Engineers...

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Re: Réf. : KR> Specs etc...

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Langford
If it looks like several people replied to the same question, even after it 
was answered, it's because the KRet mailing server has been suffering from 
some kind of slow down, and it's been catching up in the last few minutes...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
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