KR> build it light

2014-12-09 Thread joe.kr2s.builder at juno.com
Hello Guys land Dolls, As some of you already know I took over a project 
from Eric Pitts over the summer. I think that I might be the fifth owner of 
this project and there have been many changes from owner to owner. This is a 
unique project that was started by Dr. Dean about 16 years ago now. So there is 
no blame to be found here just observations on how a plane can weigh a ton ( 
not really an exaggeration). When I got it home I took every assembly and 
cataloged and weighed them. I then started to evaluate how I wanted this plane 
to turn out and then evaluated what  weight reductions could be done. To be 
very fair there are many very well built assemblies that I well use pretty much 
as is.   The first and largest was the fuselage on gear. (too many little 
items included or not included for anyone to make a comparison) This weighed in 
at 150#. I have removed a lot of epoxy runs and spills. The use of flox while 
in the right places was 2 to 3 times what was needed for fillets and edge of 
foam filling. Wood blocking from different configurations of systems was all 
still in place, even though not used anymore. The result so far is a reduction 
of nearly 10# from just this assembly. I still see another 3# in lightening 
holes and a couple more things to remove. (Like tail wheel support) The seat 
had a much smaller yield but still gains to be had. It started at 8.5# and with 
just sanding  extra flox out came down to 8# even.There are a couple 
things that I am trying to share here in thinking about where you might be able 
to build a part a bit lighter. One item is in blocking. If you are trying to 
use a block of wood for a gusset or support and is is being used or glued on 
two sides consider it being a triangular piece instead of a square piece. Half 
the weight for free. In most cases just epoxy is enough on the surfaces that is 
in contact. Flox fillets are likely over kill and just more weight. (Yes, 
ounces add up to pounds) Also if it is a long blocking situation think if it is 
needed full length or if one or several short pieces would do the same job. 
   Clean up extra epoxy runs and spill overs. Use peel ply as much as you can. 
Again it does make a difference on ever part. Be careful of the edge depth that 
is filled with flox on every part. I think the rule of thumb is a 1/4" and it 
could be a triangular 1/4" if the edge is over 1/2" wide. If the edge is that 
wide or more I might suggest that the flox edge still only be the 1/4" 
triangular edge and and a layer of glass to cover the surface with peel ply to 
take out the excess epoxy. Lightening holes are  another very efficient 
way to to save weight. I made two new mounting brackets for control stick 
assembly out of aluminum angle. I was able to reduce the weight of each bracket 
by exactly half with lightening holes with no loss of structural integrity. The 
brackets weighed about 3 ounces each so basically I got 2 for one weight wise. 
Not a lot but again ounces make pounds and I will not have another 700 plus 
pound KR.Give your bird a free Christmas present by saving weight. 
Remember you save fuel forever for every ounce that you don't need to drag into 
the air. Think before you beef up a part that has served as is for 40 years of 
KR's. Think if it really does need to be thicker. Think if it needs to be steel 
instead of aluminum. Think if it really needs another layer of glass. Think if 
you really need heavy electric motors instead of light flap or trim hand 
operated. Look at every part you make and wonder if it is the lightest way that 
it can be completed.All my best,Joe Horton  

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Forget the iPhone 6. Next hit Apple product leaked. (see picture)
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KR> build it light

2014-12-09 Thread Virgil N.Salisbury

 And step yourself on the scale as well, Virg


 On 12/9/2014 12:06 PM, joe.kr2s.builder--- via KRnet wrote:
> Hello Guys land Dolls, As some of you already know I took over a project 
> from Eric Pitts over the summer. I think that I might be the fifth owner of 
> this project and there have been many changes from owner to owner. This is a 
> unique project that was started by Dr. Dean about 16 years ago now. So there 
> is no blame to be found here just observations on how a plane can weigh a ton 
> ( not really an exaggeration). When I got it home I took every assembly and 
> cataloged and weighed them. I then started to evaluate how I wanted this 
> plane to turn out and then evaluated what  weight reductions could be done. 
> To be very fair there are many very well built assemblies that I well use 
> pretty much as is.   The first and largest was the fuselage on gear. (too 
> many little items included or not included for anyone to make a comparison) 
> This weighed in at 150#. I have removed a lot of epoxy runs and spills. The 
> use of flox while in the right places was 2 to 3 times what was needed for 
> fillets and edge of foam filling. Wood blocking from different configurations 
> of systems was all still in place, even though not used anymore. The result 
> so far is a reduction of nearly 10# from just this assembly. I still see 
> another 3# in lightening holes and a couple more things to remove. (Like tail 
> wheel support) The seat had a much smaller yield but still gains to be had. 
> It started at 8.5# and with just sanding  extra flox out came down to 8# 
> even.There are a couple things that I am trying to share here in 
> thinking about where you might be able to build a part a bit lighter. One 
> item is in blocking. If you are trying to use a block of wood for a gusset or 
> support and is is being used or glued on two sides consider it being a 
> triangular piece instead of a square piece. Half the weight for free. In most 
> cases just epoxy is enough on the surfaces that is in contact. Flox fillets 
> are likely over kill and just more weight. (Yes, ounces add up to pounds) 
> Also if it is a long blocking situation think if it is needed full length or 
> if one or several short pieces would do the same job.Clean up extra 
> epoxy runs and spill overs. Use peel ply as much as you can. Again it does 
> make a difference on ever part. Be careful of the edge depth that is filled 
> with flox on every part. I think the rule of thumb is a 1/4" and it could be 
> a triangular 1/4" if the edge is over 1/2" wide. If the edge is that wide or 
> more I might suggest that the flox edge still only be the 1/4" triangular 
> edge and and a layer of glass to cover the surface with peel ply to take out 
> the excess epoxy. Lightening holes are  another very efficient way to 
> to save weight. I made two new mounting brackets for control stick assembly 
> out of aluminum angle. I was able to reduce the weight of each bracket by 
> exactly half with lightening holes with no loss of structural integrity. The 
> brackets weighed about 3 ounces each so basically I got 2 for one weight 
> wise. Not a lot but again ounces make pounds and I will not have another 700 
> plus pound KR.Give your bird a free Christmas present by saving 
> weight. Remember you save fuel forever for every ounce that you don't need to 
> drag into the air. Think before you beef up a part that has served as is for 
> 40 years of KR's. Think if it really does need to be thicker. Think if it 
> needs to be steel instead of aluminum. Think if it really needs another layer 
> of glass. Think if you really need heavy electric motors instead of light 
> flap or trim hand operated. Look at every part you make and wonder if it is 
> the lightest way that it can be completed.All my best,Joe Horton
> 
> Apple's Crazy New Gizmo
> Forget the iPhone 6. Next hit Apple product leaked. (see picture)
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54872c712122b2c4763fdst04duc
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