KR> mixing different adhesives

2008-10-12 Thread Harold Woods
Hi Netters.
Larry H was referring to the delamination of Steve Whitman's aircraft fabric 
on his wing. Epoxy is not involved in this case.The two adhesives did not 
stick well together because one was a nitrate base and the other was a 
buterate base. Steve should have known better but may be for what ever 
reason , we will never know, he did. Sure they held for 10 years  but that 
was not good enough.
Epoxy is not really any different. There are many things that I would never 
trust with epoxy. One of these is polyester, the regular adhesive 
in"regular" boat building fiberglass. They are worse than nitrate/butyrate 
bonds.
When it comes to building a plane with epoxy, here I mean a wooden plane, 
epoxy is the best. However there are different types of epoxy. Some are thin 
and some are thick. If you are joining wood to wood and are using a fluid 
epoxy like the West system, be sure first to let the fluid epoxy sink into 
the wood then mix cabosil (silica jel) into another batch to thicken it .
apply to the wet wood. Do not over clamp the two. The epoxy now will not run 
out of the joint and you will have a good bond.
Other epoxy resins are thick. They will not run out of the joint but they 
may not soak too deeply into the wood fibres.
I would trust the West  system, properly used to make a wooden plane.  I 
have used many epoxy system including T-88. I like the West best.
I have been away and I am trying to catch up on my emails, which why I did 
not respond sooner.
Regards,
Harold Woods
Orillia, ON. Canada.
haroldwo...@rogers.com




KR> mixing different adhesives

2008-10-12 Thread Ronald R.Eason
The judicial use of a heat gun will change thick epoxy to thin epoxy.  Use
slow cure [it's the strongest] and the heat will not accelerate the cure to
fast to get the job together. 

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Subject: KR> mixing different adhesives

Hi Netters.
Larry H was referring to the delamination of Steve Whitman's aircraft fabric

on his wing. Epoxy is not involved in this case.The two adhesives did not 
stick well together because one was a nitrate base and the other was a 
buterate base. Steve should have known better but may be for what ever 
reason , we will never know, he did. Sure they held for 10 years  but that 
was not good enough.
Epoxy is not really any different. There are many things that I would never 
trust with epoxy. One of these is polyester, the regular adhesive 
in"regular" boat building fiberglass. They are worse than nitrate/butyrate 
bonds.
When it comes to building a plane with epoxy, here I mean a wooden plane, 
epoxy is the best. However there are different types of epoxy. Some are thin

and some are thick. If you are joining wood to wood and are using a fluid 
epoxy like the West system, be sure first to let the fluid epoxy sink into 
the wood then mix cabosil (silica jel) into another batch to thicken it .
apply to the wet wood. Do not over clamp the two. The epoxy now will not run

out of the joint and you will have a good bond.
Other epoxy resins are thick. They will not run out of the joint but they 
may not soak too deeply into the wood fibres.
I would trust the West  system, properly used to make a wooden plane.  I 
have used many epoxy system including T-88. I like the West best.
I have been away and I am trying to catch up on my emails, which why I did 
not respond sooner.
Regards,
Harold Woods
Orillia, ON. Canada.
haroldwo...@rogers.com


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