KR> scientific blue book of KR values
don't forget the engine. - Original Message - From: "Brian Kraut" To: ; "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 8:30 AM Subject: RE: KR> scientific blue book of KR values > You forgot one thing: > > 3000 hours of blood, sweat, and tears.priceless. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -Original Message- > From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net]On Behalf Of > Larry A Capps > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:11 AM > To: KR Builders List (E-mail) > Subject: KR> scientific blue book of KR values > > > Rand Robinson > PRICING SHEET (TAIL WHEEL VERSION) KR2-S > > KR-2S Builder's Manual and Plans $240.00 > Spruce Kit $830.00 > Plywood - Mahogany 4' x 8' x 3/32" $530.00 > 1 sheet 4' x 4' 1/4" - Firewall $65.00 > Aluminum Extrusion Kit (no landing gear parts) $140.00 > Wing Attach Fittings $395.00 > Control Stick Assembly $425.00 > Trim Tab Nyrod Kit $15.00 > Aileron Pushrods & Rod Ends $48.00 > Tail Surface Hinges $225.00 > Tail Spring $25.00 > Tail Wheel $65.00 > Cleveland Hydraulic Brakes Pkg $1190.00 > Composite Fixed Gear (Mains) $525.00 > Wheel Fairings (2) $190.00 > Cable & Pulleys $86.00 > Stainless Steel Firewall and Fiber Frax $85.00 > Rudder Pedal Assembly $149.00 > Bolt Kit $112.00 > Foam Kit $265.00 > Fiberglass Cloth $180.00 > T-88 Structural Adhesive, QT. (Wood Spars) $26.00 > Aeropoxy, 3 gal Kit (fiberglassing) $153.00 > Premolded Top Deck Package $2330.00 > Turtledeck > Canopy Frame > Canopy (clear, green or gray) > Forward Deck & Instrument Panel > Premolded Cowl $445.00 > Premolded Wing Tips $156.00 > Premolded Fuel Tank $285.00 > Canopy Latches $30.00 > Cowl Fasteners $35.00 > Flap Handle $90.00 > Turnbuckle Kit $175.00 > Piano Hinges (Extruded) $135.00 > > TOTALS $9645.00 > > > Larry A Capps > Naperville, IL > > "Measure it to the thousandth, mark it with a felt tip pen, and cut it with > a chain saw." > > > > > -Original Message- > > KR2 buyers > a partially finished project, just the wood , spars and good > workmanship for $2500. > > put an additional $12500 into it over a couple of years. > > It flew very well strong, stable, and fast if a little too heavy. > > I will have the trike available for sale in the spring for $ 15000 CDN > and that is a very fair price, for a very nice little bird. > > > ___ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > ___ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> scientific blue book of KR values
I don't like to "me too" posts, but this one definitely deserves a "ME TOO". We get this question all the time and this really lays it out. I think we could take this Blue Book and add a few things to look for and a recommendation to get a KR builder or technical counselor to look at it, and we should put it on the KR-Net. If y'all (southern for yous guys) don't think that is appropriate, I will put it on kr-builder. Great post, Brian. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC da...@kr-builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ---Original Message--- From: KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 04/01/04 23:05:09 To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> $8000.00 for it. Is this to much to pay? Here is my very scientific blue book of KR values finely honed from years of watching what KRs sell for. Basic KR1 $6,500 Basic KR2 $8,000 Basic KR2S $9,000 Values are basic VFR instruments with no gyros and one nav/com. VW 1800-1900 for the KR1, and VW 2180 for 2 or 2S. Based on well built flying KR with average paint and under 300 hours and retract gear. add Diehl or Grove fixed gear +$1,000 add wheel pants +$300 Continental or Lycoming engine +$2,000 Not currently flying -$1,000 or more depending on condition add transponder +$500 very nice paint and interior +$500 needs repainting -$500 cruise speed over 160 MPH +$500 cruise speed under 140 MPH -$500 required lights for night flight +$400 I base these prices on what I have seen KRs sell for. I need to add that for what it costs in time and money to build one and for the fun, performance, and economy you get out of a KR that they should sell for at least $5,000 more. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com
KR> scientific blue book of KR values
Dan wrote: > I don't like to "me too" posts, but this one definitely deserves a "ME TOO". > We get this question all the time and this really lays it out. I think we > could take this Blue Book and add a few things to look for and a > recommendation to get a KR builder or technical counselor to look at it, and > we should put it on the KR-Net. I think it's a great idea. I asked Brian last night if he'd mind if I posted his list to the KRnet website, and he said that'd be great, and speculated that there would be enough replies to add a lot more to it over the next few days.So by all means, let's hear some more guidelines and specific numbers, and I'll cook up a web page that includes it all. We could also point it to Jeff Scott's "Shopping for the partially built KR" article at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kronline9.html . I'd love to just point people to a web page that answers all the questions the next time the subject arises! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
KR> scientific blue book of KR values
N93PC flying condition when bought original retracts GP 2180 118 hours total time good condition basic day VFR one nav/com no transponder average paint and interior mechanical cable brakes Paid $8,000 and put in about $6,000 more to make it exactly the way I wanted it and never regretted it. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:25 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> scientific blue book of KR values Dan wrote: > I don't like to "me too" posts, but this one definitely deserves a "ME TOO". > We get this question all the time and this really lays it out. I think we > could take this Blue Book and add a few things to look for and a > recommendation to get a KR builder or technical counselor to look at it, and > we should put it on the KR-Net. I think it's a great idea. I asked Brian last night if he'd mind if I posted his list to the KRnet website, and he said that'd be great, and speculated that there would be enough replies to add a lot more to it over the next few days.So by all means, let's hear some more guidelines and specific numbers, and I'll cook up a web page that includes it all. We could also point it to Jeff Scott's "Shopping for the partially built KR" article at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kronline9.html . I'd love to just point people to a web page that answers all the questions the next time the subject arises! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ___ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> scientific blue book of KR values
N8575C KR2 (TD) Revmaster 2100 heads VERY broken 352 TT Escort. NavCom Loran, xponder w/alt encode. 3 way trim well instrumented, Builder did a GREAT JOB putting the aircraft together. Second owner did not have a clue and ground looped it twice and it sat outside for a while. No weather damage. needed paint and TLC $7000.00 cash wanted 8 took 7 so Brian G. Douglas Killeen Texas PS now am half done fitting diel tri gear! - Original Message - From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: RE: KR> scientific blue book of KR values > N93PC > flying condition when bought > original retracts > GP 2180 > 118 hours total time > good condition > basic day VFR > one nav/com > no transponder > average paint and interior > mechanical cable brakes > > Paid $8,000 and put in about $6,000 more to make it exactly the way I wanted > it and never regretted it. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > >
KR> scientific blue book of KR values
Mark: Let me offer some more data for KR2 buyers as to the prices I have seen, I bought a partially finished project, just the wood , spars and good workmanship for $2500. put an additional $12500 into it over a couple of years. It flew very well strong, stable, and fast if a little too heavy. I bought another project, great wood and on wheels and wings tail all built seats, canopy controls. again for $2500 but this time it was real dollars not the Canuck dollarettes as the first time. Add about $12,500 and we have another plane looking to fly this summer. During the winter I got a look at another plane over in PEI certified ( well signed off and ready to fly) looking very much like it had just come off the factory floor. Subaru engine, trike, etc. for $ 7500 CND. It made me want to cry with all the money I had in the other planes, but at the end of the day there were some snags to fix before we go flying, but a pretty plane. I will have the trike available for sale in the spring for $ 15000 CDN and that is a very fair price, for a very nice little bird. Goes to show how value is in the eyes of the observer, Best regards Jim - Original Message - From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:24 AM Subject: Re: KR> scientific blue book of KR values > Dan wrote: > > > I don't like to "me too" posts, but this one definitely deserves a "ME > TOO". > > We get this question all the time and this really lays it out. I think > we > > could take this Blue Book and add a few things to look for and a > > recommendation to get a KR builder or technical counselor to look at it, > and > > we should put it on the KR-Net. > > I think it's a great idea. I asked Brian last night if he'd mind if I > posted his list to the KRnet website, and he said that'd be great, and > speculated that there would be enough replies to add a lot more to it over > the next few days.So by all means, let's hear some more guidelines and > specific numbers, and I'll cook up a web page that includes it all. We > could also point it to Jeff Scott's "Shopping for the partially built KR" > article at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kronline9.html . I'd love to > just point people to a web page that answers all the questions the next time > the subject arises! > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML at hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > ___ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> scientific blue book of KR values
Rand Robinson PRICING SHEET (TAIL WHEEL VERSION) KR2-S KR-2S Builder's Manual and Plans$240.00 Spruce Kit $830.00 Plywood - Mahogany 4' x 8' x 3/32" $530.00 1 sheet 4' x 4' 1/4" - Firewall $65.00 Aluminum Extrusion Kit (no landing gear parts) $140.00 Wing Attach Fittings$395.00 Control Stick Assembly $425.00 Trim Tab Nyrod Kit$15.00 Aileron Pushrods & Rod Ends $48.00 Tail Surface Hinges $225.00 Tail Spring $25.00 Tail Wheel$65.00 Cleveland Hydraulic Brakes Pkg$1190.00 Composite Fixed Gear (Mains)$525.00 Wheel Fairings (2) $190.00 Cable & Pulleys $86.00 Stainless Steel Firewall and Fiber Frax $85.00 Rudder Pedal Assembly $149.00 Bolt Kit$112.00 Foam Kit$265.00 Fiberglass Cloth$180.00 T-88 Structural Adhesive, QT. (Wood Spars)$26.00 Aeropoxy, 3 gal Kit (fiberglassing) $153.00 Premolded Top Deck Package$2330.00 Turtledeck Canopy Frame Canopy (clear, green or gray) Forward Deck & Instrument Panel Premolded Cowl $445.00 Premolded Wing Tips $156.00 Premolded Fuel Tank $285.00 Canopy Latches$30.00 Cowl Fasteners$35.00 Flap Handle $90.00 Turnbuckle Kit $175.00 Piano Hinges (Extruded) $135.00 TOTALS $9645.00 Larry A Capps Naperville, IL "Measure it to the thousandth, mark it with a felt tip pen, and cut it with a chain saw." -Original Message- KR2 buyers a partially finished project, just the wood , spars and good workmanship for $2500. put an additional $12500 into it over a couple of years. It flew very well strong, stable, and fast if a little too heavy. I will have the trike available for sale in the spring for $ 15000 CDN and that is a very fair price, for a very nice little bird.
KR> scientific blue book of KR values
You forgot one thing: 3000 hours of blood, sweat, and tears.priceless. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -Original Message- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Larry A Capps Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:11 AM To: KR Builders List (E-mail) Subject: KR> scientific blue book of KR values Rand Robinson PRICING SHEET (TAIL WHEEL VERSION) KR2-S KR-2S Builder's Manual and Plans$240.00 Spruce Kit $830.00 Plywood - Mahogany 4' x 8' x 3/32" $530.00 1 sheet 4' x 4' 1/4" - Firewall $65.00 Aluminum Extrusion Kit (no landing gear parts) $140.00 Wing Attach Fittings$395.00 Control Stick Assembly $425.00 Trim Tab Nyrod Kit$15.00 Aileron Pushrods & Rod Ends $48.00 Tail Surface Hinges $225.00 Tail Spring $25.00 Tail Wheel$65.00 Cleveland Hydraulic Brakes Pkg$1190.00 Composite Fixed Gear (Mains)$525.00 Wheel Fairings (2) $190.00 Cable & Pulleys $86.00 Stainless Steel Firewall and Fiber Frax $85.00 Rudder Pedal Assembly $149.00 Bolt Kit$112.00 Foam Kit$265.00 Fiberglass Cloth$180.00 T-88 Structural Adhesive, QT. (Wood Spars)$26.00 Aeropoxy, 3 gal Kit (fiberglassing) $153.00 Premolded Top Deck Package$2330.00 Turtledeck Canopy Frame Canopy (clear, green or gray) Forward Deck & Instrument Panel Premolded Cowl $445.00 Premolded Wing Tips $156.00 Premolded Fuel Tank $285.00 Canopy Latches$30.00 Cowl Fasteners$35.00 Flap Handle $90.00 Turnbuckle Kit $175.00 Piano Hinges (Extruded) $135.00 TOTALS $9645.00 Larry A Capps Naperville, IL "Measure it to the thousandth, mark it with a felt tip pen, and cut it with a chain saw." -Original Message- KR2 buyers a partially finished project, just the wood , spars and good workmanship for $2500. put an additional $12500 into it over a couple of years. It flew very well strong, stable, and fast if a little too heavy. I will have the trike available for sale in the spring for $ 15000 CDN and that is a very fair price, for a very nice little bird. ___ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
