KR> Tail Wheel spring

2013-11-20 Thread Phillip Matheson
Could someone send me the measurements of the KR2S Tail wheel spring, I will 
make one from a auto spring like Larry.

Phil matheson

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KR> Tail Wheel spring

2014-11-20 Thread Phillip Matheson
Can someone please let me know the thickness of the tail wheel spring, I 
need to find a light leaf spring to cut and make one..

Phil Matheson

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KR> Tail Wheel spring

2014-11-20 Thread brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com
The plans version is 1/8", or 3.175mm for you Aussie types.  As you are
probably aware, the plans version does not stick very far aft and it is
fairly wide and it is a lot more likely to bend if you extend it.  I
extended mine some and used two pieces of 1/8" that I think were only
like an inch and a half wide to fit in a Matco tailwheel.  Mine were
spring steel and were heat treated and still bent. 


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Can someone please let me know the thickness of the tail wheel spring, I

need to find a light leaf spring to cut and make one..

Phil Matheson

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KR> Tail Wheel spring

2014-11-20 Thread Flesner

>
>Can someone please let me know the thickness of the tail wheel spring, I
>need to find a light leaf spring to cut and make one..
>Phil Matheson
+

Didn't measure mine but it is in the 3/16" (4.76mm) to 1/4"(6.35mm) 
thick range by 1 3/4" wide.  I dressed down the wheel end by 1/8" on 
each side to fit the tail wheel assembly and then cold bent the 
spring to desired shape.  My spring came from an 80 year old 
automobile but I've heard the springs from a golf cart might work 
well.   Mine seems to have just the right amount of flex without 
being too "springy".   Speaking of tail wheels,  I really LOVE my 
Matco pneumatic tail wheel.  I have it mounted on slightly modified, 
lightest weight, Aviation Products tail wheel assembly.  No more 
RUMBLE, RUMBLE, RUMBLE..

Photo 
at  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8714.JPG  is 
with the old solid tire.

Larry Flesner 




KR> Tail Wheel spring

2014-11-21 Thread Dan Heath
You might want to check this out.  I will stop by the hangar today and get
the final thickness.



http://krbuilder.org/MakingTailWheelSpring/index.html




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>Can someone please let me know the thickness of the tail wheel spring, 

>I need to find a light leaf spring to cut and make one..

>Phil Matheson

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KR> Tail Wheel spring

2014-11-21 Thread Phillip Matheson
Thanks Dan

I have been looking at you home made spring, not sure if the have the right 
materials at hand.

Thanks to the other reply as well.
Phil


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KR> Tail wheel spring

2015-01-28 Thread Phillip Matheson
Could someone let me know the dimensions for the KR supply ( Steve) tail 
wheel spring.

I have the Matco tail wheel that needs a 1 1/2 inch spring, what is the 
length you are using?

Phil matheson




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KR> Tail wheel spring

2015-01-28 Thread Mark Langford
Phil Matheson wrote:

>I have the Matco tail wheel that needs a 1 1/2 inch spring, what is the
length you are using?

I've seen tail springs that were 4" long, and some that were probably 18"
long.  Apparently they both work.  Somewhere around 14"-16" seems to work
well, at least on my plane.  Length is a factor in determining the thickness
as well.  Most of us try a quarter inch thick, and if that' not enough, add
a reinforcing layer of 1/8" 4130  or something...a "built up" spring. 

 If width is your concern, as with the Aviation Products tail wheel, it's
easily ground down on the width where it interfaces with the tail spring
(see http://www.n56ml.com/kgear.html for a photo of that).  

Does nvAero even sell a tail spring?

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML at N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com 







KR> Tail wheel spring

2015-01-28 Thread Flesner

>Could someone let me know the dimensions for the KR supply ( 
> Steve) tail wheel spring.
>I have the Matco tail wheel that needs a 1 1/2 inch spring, what is 
>the length you are using?
>Phil matheson


I don't have the dimensions but here is what I'm using.  Works 
great.  Have since added a pneumatic tire.  Looks like it needs a cleaning.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8714.JPG

Larry Flesner 




KR> Tail wheel spring

2015-01-28 Thread Steve G.
The only spring we have at the moment is old stock of the original plans 
spring. It is marginal at best unless used on very light KR's. 

I haven't been in the office or at the hangar since I turned the website back 
on. Thought I was going to have a few weeks to catch up but had construction 
projects that needed to begin before planned. 

Steve Glover

Sent from my iPhone 6

> On Jan 28, 2015, at 05:02, Mark Langford via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Phil Matheson wrote:
> 
>> I have the Matco tail wheel that needs a 1 1/2 inch spring, what is the
> length you are using?
> 
> I've seen tail springs that were 4" long, and some that were probably 18"
> long.  Apparently they both work.  Somewhere around 14"-16" seems to work
> well, at least on my plane.  Length is a factor in determining the thickness
> as well.  Most of us try a quarter inch thick, and if that' not enough, add
> a reinforcing layer of 1/8" 4130  or something...a "built up" spring. 
> 
> If width is your concern, as with the Aviation Products tail wheel, it's
> easily ground down on the width where it interfaces with the tail spring
> (see http://www.n56ml.com/kgear.html for a photo of that).  
> 
> Does nvAero even sell a tail spring?
> 
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> ML at N56ML.com
> www.N56ML.com 
> 
> 
> 
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KR> Tail wheel spring

2015-01-28 Thread Joe. E. Wallace
Good to have you back Steve !  jw

Joe. E. Wallace
jwallacep51 at gmail.com



> On Jan 28, 2015, at 07:55, Steve G. via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> The only spring we have at the moment is old stock of the original plans 
> spring. It is marginal at best unless used on very light KR's. 
> 
> I haven't been in the office or at the hangar since I turned the website back 
> on. Thought I was going to have a few weeks to catch up but had construction 
> projects that needed to begin before planned. 
> 
> Steve Glover




KR> Tail Wheel Spring

2016-04-07 Thread svd
Hi Guys,

Thanks for the input on the aileron gap seals.

Many of the gap seals on KR?s I?ve seen on the web we made of a 10mil mylar. A 
few mentioned that they get sucked into the gap making control difficult, and 
most with the RAF 48 airfoil don?t see improved performance.  Could it be that 
a overly flexible gap seal, sucked into the gap, would also stick up beyond the 
gap creating a mini spoiler - negating any drag reduction of gap sealing?

Anyways, my question today is about tail wheel springs.  

If I?m lucky my plane will look a bit like Pete Brautigam?s, and he has a very 
nice looking tail wheel spring set up. Most of the KR?s I see pictures of do 
not have tail wheel connect springs, which seems quite unusual.   Clearly it 
must be ok.  Is it? 

Cheers,
Owen Hughes


KR> Tail Wheel Spring

2016-04-07 Thread Jeff Scott

?Anyways, my question today is about tail wheel springs.

If I?m lucky my plane will look a bit like Pete Brautigam?s, and he has a very 
nice looking tail wheel spring set up. Most of the KR?s I see pictures of do 
not have tail wheel connect springs, which seems quite unusual. Clearly it must 
be ok. Is it?

Cheers,
Owen Hughes
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?
I am assuming you are referencing the springs on the tailwheel steering cables 
typically found on other aircraft.  I had them on my KR for a number of years.  
With a little slack in the steering cables, the springs were typically standing 
straight up while in flight.  Generally speaking they were good for creating 
drag, but didn't serve much of a useful function for the plane.  I eventually 
eliminated them and prefer to fly with just a little slack in the cables for 
the tailwheel steering.  So on the ground, the primary steering is with the 
rudder.  The cables to the tailwheel will turn the tailwheel a bit just before 
the rudder pedal bottoms out.  Tight turns are always going to be made with the 
brakes anyway.

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM



KR> Tail Wheel Spring

2016-04-07 Thread Larry Flesner

>If I???m lucky my plane will look a bit like 
>Pete Brautigam???s, and he has a very nice 
>looking tail wheel spring set up. Most of the 
>KR???s I see pictures of do not have tail wheel 
>connect springs, which seems quite unusual.

+++

I would recommend the "Aviation Products" 
tailwheel assembly that has served me well for 
550 hours now.  I think Mark Langford used that 
same assembly on 56ML I modified it a while back 
by having the arm lengthened a bit over one inch 
and installed a Matco 6" fully pneumatic wheel 
assembly (not shown in the photo).  I love it!! 
It totally eliminated all the rumble of the old 
4" solid wheel.  My KR handles on the ground as 
well as any tri-gear with no braking action 
required.  The springs are Maule anti-shimmy 
springs.  The unit is steerable with breakaway 
full swivel at about 30 degrees.  I can spin the KR on one wheel on the ramp.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8714.JPG


Larry Flesner 




KR> Tail Wheel Spring

2016-04-07 Thread Jeff Scott

?
?

I would recommend the "Aviation Products"
tailwheel assembly that has served me well for
550 hours now. I think Mark Langford used that
same assembly on 56ML I modified it a while back
by having the arm lengthened a bit over one inch
and installed a Matco 6" fully pneumatic wheel
assembly (not shown in the photo). I love it!!
It totally eliminated all the rumble of the old
4" solid wheel. My KR handles on the ground as
well as any tri-gear with no braking action
required. The springs are Maule anti-shimmy
springs. The unit is steerable with breakaway
full swivel at about 30 degrees. I can spin the KR on one wheel on the ramp.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8714.JPG


Larry Flesner


I would recommend the same, except to buy the one with the 6" semi-pneumatic 
wheel.  I have over 1100 hrs on mine now.  I do recommend adding a flat washer 
type bushing to the bottom of the vertical shaft so you can use the top nut on 
the tailwheel to preload it to prevent shimmy.  Other than adjusting the 
preload about every 50 hrs or so, and replacing the bearings once or twice in 
20 years now, it has been about as good of a tailwheel as I have ever owned.  


-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM



KR> Tail Wheel Spring

2016-04-08 Thread bjoenunley


I modeled my tail wheel from pictures of Mark's and Larry's using spring steel 
from an old truck. ?I have no control cable springs just straight cables.


Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?


KR> tail wheel spring.

2008-10-12 Thread Harold Woods
Hi Netters.
You can take all the precautions that you want to create the perfect tail
whel spring and find that it was in vain.Years ago a friend meticulously
suitably hardened his to what was to be the correct hardnes. He was
performing high speed taxi tests on a short runway with high rock and trees
at one end. He cauciously accelerated  and was almost at the end when he got
his tail up. I suggested that he should go back as far as possible  and give
it full power, raise the tail , power back and run down the field tail up
for a bit then slowdown.  He said "come in with me" ( I knew that it was not
legal for me  to do so). He gave it full power but before he raised the tail
we found ourselves at 20 feet up.The rock at the end looked like mountains!
He cut the power but it kept on at 20 feet. He kept bringing the stick back
to slow it down. I fealt the stall occur.The bottom dropped out, It hit
fairly flat but hard. It bounced and eventually stopped. There was a new
problem. The tail of the fuselage was dragging on the ground. The tail
spring had broken into 5 pieces.To get it off the field we went to a local
auto wrecker and had a temporary tail spring made. The man took an old auto
spring,asked "where do you want the first bend". He applied the torch and
bent it  as necessary. "What about the bolt holes?" Zap with the cutting
torch!  We asked what about the tempering of the spring, to which he replied
" It's as good now as before I heated it". He was right.We bolted it into
place and got off the field. It worked perfectly and remained on the plane
thereafter with out ever having any further problems.
I sometimes wonder about all the fuss and blather that we worry about on
some parts. Sorry about the long winded tale.
Regards
Harold Woods
Orillia,ON.Can
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KR> tail wheel spring.

2008-10-12 Thread Murray Gill
Interesting "tail" Harold.  I wonder if anyone has done a tailwheel spring
in carbon fibre.  Would there be a weight saving in doing so?
Murray Gill

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> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Harold Woods
> Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2004 03:52
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR> tail wheel spring.
>
>
> Hi Netters.
> You can take all the precautions that you want to create the perfect tail
> whel spring and find that it was in vain.Years ago a friend meticulously
> suitably hardened his to what was to be the correct hardnes. He was
> performing high speed taxi tests on a short runway with high rock
> and trees
> at one end. He cauciously accelerated  and was almost at the end
> when he got
> his tail up. I suggested that he should go back as far as
> possible  and give
> it full power, raise the tail , power back and run down the field tail up
> for a bit then slowdown.  He said "come in with me" ( I knew that
> it was not
> legal for me  to do so). He gave it full power but before he
> raised the tail
> we found ourselves at 20 feet up.The rock at the end looked like
> mountains!
> He cut the power but it kept on at 20 feet. He kept bringing the
> stick back
> to slow it down. I fealt the stall occur.The bottom dropped out, It hit
> fairly flat but hard. It bounced and eventually stopped. There was a new
> problem. The tail of the fuselage was dragging on the ground. The tail
> spring had broken into 5 pieces.To get it off the field we went to a local
> auto wrecker and had a temporary tail spring made. The man took
> an old auto
> spring,asked "where do you want the first bend". He applied the torch and
> bent it  as necessary. "What about the bolt holes?" Zap with the cutting
> torch!  We asked what about the tempering of the spring, to which
> he replied
> " It's as good now as before I heated it". He was right.We bolted it into
> place and got off the field. It worked perfectly and remained on the plane
> thereafter with out ever having any further problems.
> I sometimes wonder about all the fuss and blather that we worry about on
> some parts. Sorry about the long winded tale.
> Regards
> Harold Woods
> Orillia,ON.Can
> haroldwo...@rogers.com
>
>
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KR> tail wheel spring.

2008-10-12 Thread Dan Heath
Carbon fiber is somewhat brittle, so I would not do that. I put an auto leaf
spring on the Little Beast after the original got twisted.



We have the normal spring on this KR, but it's extension is very short, so I
am anticipating no problems with the spring. I just wish I had that tail
wheel that I had on the Beast. 



I also think we worry about too many insignificant things, but who knows
what is insignificant until you ask?



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KR> Tail Wheel Spring

2019-02-08 Thread Luis Claudio via KRnet
Going with single tailwheel spring... good idea bad idea? 
Luis R Claudio KR2S Dallas
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Re: KR> Tail Wheel Spring

2019-02-08 Thread Craig Williams via KRnet
The spring will outlast you and the plane. Mine is off a '71 SkiDoo ski, cut in 
half. http://kr2seafury.com/9.html

Craig
N886MJ
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> On February 8, 2019 at 9:01 PM Luis Claudio via KRnet  mailto:krnet@list.krnet.org > wrote:
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> Going with single tailwheel spring... good idea bad idea? 
> Luis R Claudio KR2S Dallas
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Re: KR> Tail Wheel Spring

2019-02-09 Thread Daniel Heath via KRnet
Don't know, but you could try this.

 

http://krbuilder.org/MakingTailWheelSpring/index.html

 

 

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Re: KR> Tail Wheel Spring

2019-02-09 Thread Luis Claudio via KRnet
 Thanks Craig and Daniel... I have exactly the same wheel as you do Daniel and 
actually have a fiberglass spring that the previous owner supplied with the 
project, but a buddy of mine gave me a single steel spring and I will try it. 
Awesome pictures guys.
Best regards 
Luis R Claudio, KR2S DallasOn ‎Saturday‎, ‎February‎ ‎9‎, ‎2019‎ 
‎07‎:‎39‎:‎32‎ ‎AM‎ ‎CST, Daniel Heath via KRnet  wrote:  
 
 Don't know, but you could try this.

 

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Re: KR> Tail Wheel Spring

2019-02-12 Thread Craig Williams via KRnet
Here ya go, no fuss no muss.  Cut to size and done. 

See mine here.  http://kr2seafury.com/9.html

eBay item number:
122340732640

Craig

> On February 8, 2019 at 10:20 PM Craig Williams via KRnet 
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> 
> The spring will outlast you and the plane. Mine is off a '71 SkiDoo ski, cut 
> in half. http://kr2seafury.com/9.html
> 
> Craig
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> 
> > On February 8, 2019 at 9:01 PM Luis Claudio via KRnet  > mailto:krnet@list.krnet.org > wrote:
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> > 
> > Going with single tailwheel spring... good idea bad idea? 
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