KR> wheel vs tail landing

2010-03-30 Thread kleirf...@ecomail.org
What effect if any does the engine have on flying a KR-2 with 2 people?  You
would think that a larger engine like an 0-200 would bring the CG forward more
as opposed to an Volkswagon 1853.  

How does the wing design effect the flying characteristics with 2 people?  The
stock KR-2 wing vs. Diehl wing vs. AS504x wing.

Can you just move the wing back a little to give a more forward CG?

Kris Leirfallom
CFI
KR-2 Builder

Quoting laser...@juno.com:

> Steve Bennett said, 
> 
> > ". . . my original KR-1 that had the aluminum channel mounts, it was
> almost impossible to do a wheel landing."
> 
> My first KR was like that with two people in it.  Slow it down for
> landing and the tail would drop like a rock.  Had to land way above stall
> to avoid banging it down tail first.   The original KR-2 retractable is a
> wonderful plane for one person and a real handfull with two - not to
> mention how uncomfortable it is squashed shoulder to shoulder with heads
> tilting to the center (with the RR canopy).  I had a center stick and
> flew it from the center, feet on each of the outboard rudder pedals.  For
> one person that worked beautifully.  
> 
> With two people in it you had to hold forward stick for landing.  Good
> practice in getting the feel for aft-CG flying, but not fun.
> 
> Mike
> KSEE
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KR> wheel vs tail landing

2010-03-29 Thread laser...@juno.com
Steve Bennett said, 

> ". . . my original KR-1 that had the aluminum channel mounts, it was
almost impossible to do a wheel landing."

My first KR was like that with two people in it.  Slow it down for
landing and the tail would drop like a rock.  Had to land way above stall
to avoid banging it down tail first.   The original KR-2 retractable is a
wonderful plane for one person and a real handfull with two - not to
mention how uncomfortable it is squashed shoulder to shoulder with heads
tilting to the center (with the RR canopy).  I had a center stick and
flew it from the center, feet on each of the outboard rudder pedals.  For
one person that worked beautifully.  

With two people in it you had to hold forward stick for landing.  Good
practice in getting the feel for aft-CG flying, but not fun.

Mike
KSEE


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KR> wheel vs tail landing

2010-03-29 Thread Glenn Martin
STEVE bennett wrote:
> In the for what its worth catagory, my original KR-1 that had the aluminum 
> channel mounts, it was almost impossible to do a wheel landing.  The CG in 
> the aircraft was a ways - aft.  Ray Ellis had a KR-1 at the time with an 
> actual motor mount that moved the CG forward.  It did wonderful wheel 
> landings or 3 point landings.  The last KR-1.5 I had that was built by Ken 
> Cottle also has a forward CG and did either one well, but wheel landings were 
> easy.  Current KR-2  built by Jim Faughn also does great wheel landing.  It 
> also has a forward CG.  
>
> Steve Bennett
> ifly...@msn.com
>
>   

>  

 So here is what I have learned so far. When I rebuild my KR as a TD, 
move the fuel tanks to the Stub wings which will help stabilize my CG,

while putting the CG slightly forward makes it perform better in the landing 
phase. Land a little fast and do 3 wheel touchdown (which is OK, my instructor 
says I tend to land a bit flat as it stands).

-- 
Glenn Martin
KR2 N1333A
Biloxi, MS, 39532
rep...@martekmississippi.com



KR> wheel vs tail landing

2010-03-29 Thread STEVE bennett

In the for what its worth catagory, my original KR-1 that had the aluminum 
channel mounts, it was almost impossible to do a wheel landing.  The CG in the 
aircraft was a ways - aft.  Ray Ellis had a KR-1 at the time with an actual 
motor mount that moved the CG forward.  It did wonderful wheel landings or 3 
point landings.  The last KR-1.5 I had that was built by Ken Cottle also has a 
forward CG and did either one well, but wheel landings were easy.  Current KR-2 
 built by Jim Faughn also does great wheel landing.  It also has a forward CG.  

Steve Bennett
ifly...@msn.com



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