KR>KR1 - first time builder?
Daz, Go for it. I think you have a good opportunity for success with that. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC da...@kr-builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mylist.net/private/krnet/attachments/20030530/b4c98fc8/attachment.htm
KR>KR1 - first time builder?
I have a KR1 and wish I had a '2, or had widened the '1, But the KR1 is a good plane. The amount of vert. & horiz stabalizer surface is what determines the stability of the ship along w/ the aft location. You may be able to do such a thing but be careful. Get some engineering advice and concider a KR2s and you can narrow the ship to make it more to your liking. Greg Martin - Original Message - From: "Daren Cogdon" <darencogd...@hotmail.com> To: <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: KR>KR1 - first time builder? > > Hi guys > > This may well have been a posting some time back, so I apologise if anything > is repeated. > > I'm contemplating building a KR1 as a first project. > > Is this a good choice? Or should I start with something else? I really > like the KR1 and would love to modify the tailplane (just a little) to > resemble, say, a Messerschmitt 109 fighter. Would it take a lot of > modification to get this, and would it still be "pilot-friendly"? > > Daz > > _ > Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > ___ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >
KR>KR1 - first time builder?
Daz asks: >I'm contemplating building a KR1 as a first project. Is this a good choice? Or should I start with something else? I really like the KR1 and would love to modify the tailplane (just a little) to resemble, say, a Messerschmitt 109 fighter. Would it take a lot of modification to get this, and would it still be "pilot-friendly"?< Daz: If you have read this board at length, you should know that the KR series of airplanes is inherently pitch sensitive. I too plan to build a KR, and I am prepared to accept this condition, though I plan to build the plane a tad longer to reduce this sensititvity. Mark Langford has considered this condition, and has provided much data and perspective about pitch sensitivity, and actually many other aspects of the KR-2 in general. I think you will find all his information to be good reads. Your question about "pilot friendly" seems a loaded question. Much depends on your personality and pilot experience. You can't trim out a KR, and take a nap. If that is a problem, you may want to consider another planform. Please understand that I am relatively new to the internet stuff, and I respond to your e-mail because I do not see anyone else offering help. Richard Alps
KR>KR1 - first time builder?
I know I've made comments about pitch sensitivity before, but I've tempered my attitude ever since I flew Jim Faughn's KR. There are sensitive ones and then there are "light" ones. I could see how you could crawl into Jim's or Troy's and fly it for the first time with no problem at all, and learn to love it in short order. I've flown others that made me think I was going to rip the wings off, and others somewhere in the middle. I suspect CG had a lot to do with this, and I think Jim would tell you that his CG is biased toward the forward end. As long as the CG kept forward, rather than aft, I don't have a problem with KR pitch control. It's a small, short-coupled plane, so yes, if you lean forward the pitch is going to change, but's that's just the way it is. But like I said, I've only flown a few, a little at a time, so I'm no expert. I don't guess it will be long before a bunch of us wannabees will be real-live KR pilots, and we'll tell you how it is with the new generation of KRs. Other comments are more than welcome... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
KR>KR1 - first time builder?
Mark is correct. I have biased my aircraft to the front end of the CG envelope and I love the way it fly's. I haven't found anyone yet from 8 years old to 62 that can't fly it. The other part of the idea of a first time builder is - are you sure you will build another aircraft? I never will! Unless you love to build and this is your only hobby, then you should probably build the aircraft that you think you would like to have for a lifetime. You can build a fast enough and fun KR that can be controlled without too much transition. Jim N891JF Jim Faughn 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314)652-7659 Mailto:jfau...@mvp.net Web Site http://jfaughn.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 1:17 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>KR1 - first time builder? I know I've made comments about pitch sensitivity before, but I've tempered my attitude ever since I flew Jim Faughn's KR. There are sensitive ones and then there are "light" ones. I could see how you could crawl into Jim's or Troy's and fly it for the first time with no problem at all, and learn to love it in short order. I've flown others that made me think I was going to rip the wings off, and others somewhere in the middle. I suspect CG had a lot to do with this, and I think Jim would tell you that his CG is biased toward the forward end. As long as the CG kept forward, rather than aft, I don't have a problem with KR pitch control. It's a small, short-coupled plane, so yes, if you lean forward the pitch is going to change, but's that's just the way it is. But like I said, I've only flown a few, a little at a time, so I'm no expert. I don't guess it will be long before a bunch of us wannabees will be real-live KR pilots, and we'll tell you how it is with the new generation of KRs. Other comments are more than welcome... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ___ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
KR>KR1 - first time builder?
Jim, If you would like to make that 8 to 68 I would like to see how it flys. I have not flown with you but have seen Mark L get out of your KR with a grin 3 feet wide. See you at the gathering. ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL ebloc...@earthlink.net - Original Message - From: "Jim Faughn" <jfau...@mvp.net> To: "'KR builders and pilots'" <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: RE: KR>KR1 - first time builder? > Mark is correct. I have biased my aircraft to the front end of the CG > envelope and I love the way it fly's. I haven't found anyone yet from 8 > years old to 62 that can't fly it. The other part of the idea of a first > time builder is - are you sure you will build another aircraft? I never > will! Unless you love to build and this is your only hobby, then you > should probably build the aircraft that you think you would like to have > for a lifetime. > > You can build a fast enough and fun KR that can be controlled without > too much transition. > > Jim N891JF > > Jim Faughn > 4323D Laclede Ave. > St. Louis, MO 63108 > (314)652-7659 > Mailto:jfau...@mvp.net > Web Site http://jfaughn.com > > -Original Message- > From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On > Behalf Of Mark Langford > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 1:17 PM > To: KR builders and pilots > Subject: Re: KR>KR1 - first time builder? > > > I know I've made comments about pitch sensitivity before, but I've > tempered my attitude ever since I flew Jim Faughn's KR. There are > sensitive ones and then there are "light" ones. I could see how you > could crawl into Jim's or Troy's and fly it for the first time with no > problem at all, and learn to love it in short order. I've flown others > that made me think I was going to rip the wings off, and others > somewhere in the middle. I suspect CG had a lot to do with this, and I > think Jim would tell you that his CG is biased toward the forward end. > As long as the CG kept forward, rather than aft, I don't have a problem > with KR pitch control. It's a small, short-coupled plane, so yes, if > you lean forward the pitch is going to change, but's that's just the way > it is. > > But like I said, I've only flown a few, a little at a time, so I'm no > expert. I don't guess it will be long before a bunch of us wannabees > will be real-live KR pilots, and we'll tell you how it is with the new > generation of KRs. Other comments are more than welcome... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > ___ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > ___ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
KR>KR1 - first time builder?
Ed wrote: > If you would like to make that 8 to 68 I would like to see how it flys. I > have not flown with you but have seen Mark L get out of your KR with a grin > 3 feet wide. See you at the gathering. Hey, if I didn't already know that Jim was going to be carrying a guitar on the right seat, I'd have already volunteered for the trip from St. Louis to Red Oak, since I feel sure Larry's going to be flying his by then. GO Larry! Sorry about sending that message twice earlier today. I waited for over an hour before I sent it again, and five minutes later the first one arrived. Go figure... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
KR>KR1 - first time builder?
I would love to give you a ride! Remind me at Red Oak or better yet, come to St. Louis. Jim -Original Message- From: krnet-bounces+jfaughn=mvp@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+jfaughn=mvp@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Edwin Blocher Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:49 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>KR1 - first time builder? Jim, If you would like to make that 8 to 68 I would like to see how it flys. I have not flown with you but have seen Mark L get out of your KR with a grin 3 feet wide. See you at the gathering. ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL ebloc...@earthlink.net - Original Message - From: "Jim Faughn" <jfau...@mvp.net> To: "'KR builders and pilots'" <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: RE: KR>KR1 - first time builder? > Mark is correct. I have biased my aircraft to the front end of the CG > envelope and I love the way it fly's. I haven't found anyone yet from > 8 years old to 62 that can't fly it. The other part of the idea of a > first time builder is - are you sure you will build another aircraft? > I never will! Unless you love to build and this is your only hobby, > then you should probably build the aircraft that you think you would > like to have for a lifetime. > > You can build a fast enough and fun KR that can be controlled without > too much transition. > > Jim N891JF > > Jim Faughn > 4323D Laclede Ave. > St. Louis, MO 63108 > (314)652-7659 > Mailto:jfau...@mvp.net > Web Site http://jfaughn.com > > -Original Message- > From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On > Behalf Of Mark Langford > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 1:17 PM > To: KR builders and pilots > Subject: Re: KR>KR1 - first time builder? > > > I know I've made comments about pitch sensitivity before, but I've > tempered my attitude ever since I flew Jim Faughn's KR. There are > sensitive ones and then there are "light" ones. I could see how you > could crawl into Jim's or Troy's and fly it for the first time with no > problem at all, and learn to love it in short order. I've flown > others that made me think I was going to rip the wings off, and others > somewhere in the middle. I suspect CG had a lot to do with this, and > I think Jim would tell you that his CG is biased toward the forward > end. As long as the CG kept forward, rather than aft, I don't have a > problem with KR pitch control. It's a small, short-coupled plane, so > yes, if you lean forward the pitch is going to change, but's that's > just the way it is. > > But like I said, I've only flown a few, a little at a time, so I'm no > expert. I don't guess it will be long before a bunch of us wannabees > will be real-live KR pilots, and we'll tell you how it is with the new > generation of KRs. Other comments are more than welcome... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > ___ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > ___ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ___ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
KR>KR1 - first time builder?
I'd like to build more than just a KR-1 - in fact, I have my (gun)sights set on something even more warbird-like in the future, built the same way as a KR. >From: "Jim Faughn" <jfau...@mvp.net> >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots <kr...@mylist.net> >To: "'KR builders and pilots'" <kr...@mylist.net> >Subject: RE: KR>KR1 - first time builder? >Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:37:56 -0500 > >Mark is correct. I have biased my aircraft to the front end of the CG >envelope and I love the way it fly's. I haven't found anyone yet from 8 >years old to 62 that can't fly it. The other part of the idea of a first >time builder is - are you sure you will build another aircraft? I never >will! Unless you love to build and this is your only hobby, then you >should probably build the aircraft that you think you would like to have >for a lifetime. > >You can build a fast enough and fun KR that can be controlled without >too much transition. > >Jim N891JF > >Jim Faughn >4323D Laclede Ave. >St. Louis, MO 63108 >(314)652-7659 >Mailto:jfau...@mvp.net >Web Site http://jfaughn.com > >-Original Message- >From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On >Behalf Of Mark Langford >Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 1:17 PM >To: KR builders and pilots >Subject: Re: KR>KR1 - first time builder? > > >I know I've made comments about pitch sensitivity before, but I've >tempered my attitude ever since I flew Jim Faughn's KR. There are >sensitive ones and then there are "light" ones. I could see how you >could crawl into Jim's or Troy's and fly it for the first time with no >problem at all, and learn to love it in short order. I've flown others >that made me think I was going to rip the wings off, and others >somewhere in the middle. I suspect CG had a lot to do with this, and I >think Jim would tell you that his CG is biased toward the forward end. >As long as the CG kept forward, rather than aft, I don't have a problem >with KR pitch control. It's a small, short-coupled plane, so yes, if >you lean forward the pitch is going to change, but's that's just the way >it is. > > But like I said, I've only flown a few, a little at a time, so I'm no >expert. I don't guess it will be long before a bunch of us wannabees >will be real-live KR pilots, and we'll tell you how it is with the new >generation of KRs. Other comments are more than welcome... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >N56ML "at" hiwaay.net >see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > >___ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > >___ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
KR>KR1 - first time builder?
Richard I noticed that there were a lot of comments about the KR1's inherent pitch instability, and planned to do as you are - making the fuselage a little longer (not more than 18ins, say), although I seem to remember late-model Spitfires having similar problems. Maybe the KR1 and the Spits share something in this department? (I'll have to read up - it's somethign to do with the elevators, I know that much!). What I meant by "pilot-friendly" was, if I screwed around with the tail section, would I upset the plane's CofG by a large amount? If so, what could I do to overcome this? (fit a bigger engine, put on more weight???) I don't mind the fact that the KR has to be flown all the time - that's the way I want it! Daz >From: richarda...@aol.com >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots <kr...@mylist.net> >To: kr...@mylist.net >Subject: Re: KR>KR1 - first time builder? >Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:12:28 EDT > >Daz asks: > >I'm contemplating building a KR1 as a first project. > >Is this a good choice? Or should I start with something else? I really >like the KR1 and would love to modify the tailplane (just a little) to >resemble, say, a Messerschmitt 109 fighter. Would it take a lot of >modification to get this, and would it still be "pilot-friendly"?< > >Daz: >If you have read this board at length, you should know that the KR series >of >airplanes is inherently pitch sensitive. I too plan to build a KR, and I >am >prepared to accept this condition, though I plan to build the plane a tad >longer to reduce this sensititvity. Mark Langford has considered this >condition, >and has provided much data and perspective about pitch sensitivity, and >actually many other aspects of the KR-2 in general. I think you will find >all his >information to be good reads. > >Your question about "pilot friendly" seems a loaded question. Much depends >on your personality and pilot experience. You can't trim out a KR, and >take a >nap. If that is a problem, you may want to consider another planform. > >Please understand that I am relatively new to the internet stuff, and I >respond to your e-mail because I do not see anyone else offering help. > >Richard Alps > > >___ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess
KR>KR1 - first time builder?
Richard I noticed that there were a lot of comments about the KR1's inherent pitch instability, and planned to do as you are - making the fuselage a little longer (not more than 18ins, say), although I seem to remember late-model Spitfires having similar problems. Maybe the KR1 and the Spits share something in this department? (I'll have to read up - it's somethign to do with the elevators, I know that much!). What I meant by "pilot-friendly" was, if I screwed around with the tail section, would I upset the plane's CofG by a large amount? If so, what could I do to overcome this? (fit a bigger engine, put on more weight???) I don't mind the fact that the KR has to be flown all the time - that's the way I want it! Daz >From: richarda...@aol.com >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots <kr...@mylist.net> >To: kr...@mylist.net >Subject: Re: KR>KR1 - first time builder? >Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:12:28 EDT > >Daz asks: > >I'm contemplating building a KR1 as a first project. > >Is this a good choice? Or should I start with something else? I really >like the KR1 and would love to modify the tailplane (just a little) to >resemble, say, a Messerschmitt 109 fighter. Would it take a lot of >modification to get this, and would it still be "pilot-friendly"?< > >Daz: >If you have read this board at length, you should know that the KR series >of >airplanes is inherently pitch sensitive. I too plan to build a KR, and I >am >prepared to accept this condition, though I plan to build the plane a tad >longer to reduce this sensititvity. Mark Langford has considered this >condition, >and has provided much data and perspective about pitch sensitivity, and >actually many other aspects of the KR-2 in general. I think you will find >all his >information to be good reads. > >Your question about "pilot friendly" seems a loaded question. Much depends >on your personality and pilot experience. You can't trim out a KR, and >take a >nap. If that is a problem, you may want to consider another planform. > >Please understand that I am relatively new to the internet stuff, and I >respond to your e-mail because I do not see anyone else offering help. > >Richard Alps > > >___ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
KR>KR1 - first time builder?
Hi guys This may well have been a posting some time back, so I apologise if anything is repeated. I'm contemplating building a KR1 as a first project. Is this a good choice? Or should I start with something else? I really like the KR1 and would love to modify the tailplane (just a little) to resemble, say, a Messerschmitt 109 fighter. Would it take a lot of modification to get this, and would it still be "pilot-friendly"? Daz _ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
