KR> plans bought

[Chris Prata]

thanks to steve glover's nvaero, I now have in hand a set of kr1 plans!

I have to think of a saying to go with the occasion...


Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth,
And ...

NO, WAIT. How about:

"In for a penny. In for a pound!"

KR> Plans going to be ordered

[James Cook]

I got an email note too that my KR2S plan is just about ready to ship.

M

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Chris Prata via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> After reading about lead times, I emailed NV Aero about plans and he got
> right back to me that they are starting to catch up. I will order them soon
> anyway. I figure they are indispensable to my long-standing goal to build a
> KR1.  A couple other things which somewhat fit that category would be wing
> skins, canopy. I'm sure there are others but these items would be hard to
> replace in the effort I think.
> I'm really happy to have heard back and look forward to my project (even
> if I dont get actually started for 6 more months or whatever).
>
> chris
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KR> Plans going to be ordered

[Chris Prata]

After reading about lead times, I emailed NV Aero about plans and he got right 
back to me that they are starting to catch up. I will order them soon anyway. I 
figure they are indispensable to my long-standing goal to build a KR1.  A 
couple other things which somewhat fit that category would be wing skins, 
canopy. I'm sure there are others but these items would be hard to replace in 
the effort I think.
I'm really happy to have heard back and look forward to my project (even if I 
dont get actually started for 6 more months or whatever).

chris

KR> Kr Plans

[Randy Moore Newbern Tn. N318RM]

lol typo 3000 bucks lsorry


-Original Message-
From: Herbert F?rle via KR
 net 
To: krnet 
Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 5:26 am
Subject: KR> Kr Plans


..Randy Moore  offers his Kr Plans for 3000.00? Is it possible that the decimal 
dot is on the wrong   place ? I think one left is ok.
Herbert
German Kr

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KR> Kr Plans

[Ronald Wright]

Hey Randy,

Doesn't this include the PROJECT along with the plans!



On Tue, 1/6/15, Randy Moore Newbern Tn. N318RM via KRnet  wrote:

 Subject: Re: KR> Kr Plans
 To: kr2sl at aol.com, krnet at list.krnet.org
 Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 5:47 PM


 lol typo 3000 bucks lsorry


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  net 
 To: krnet 
 Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 5:26 am
 Subject: KR> Kr Plans


 ..Randy Moore? offers his Kr Plans for 3000.00? Is it
 possible that the decimal 
 dot is on the wrong???place ? I think one
 left is ok.
 Herbert
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KR> Kr Plans

[Herbert Fürle]

..Randy Moore  offers his Kr Plans for 3000.00? Is it possible that the decimal 
dot is on the wrong   place ? I think one left is ok.
Herbert
German Kr

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KR> KR Plans

[Dan Prichard]

Kyle, please contact me off-line at dprich01 at comcast.net. Thanks

Dan Prichard
Portland, Oregon

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Kyle Gonterwitz via KRnet  list.krnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Larry,
> I ordered plans August 9, 2014, I joined the forum around that time too.
> 
> About three weeks later, I inquired about NVAero in a way that rubbed some
> people the wrong way, including the former NVAero proprietor.
> 
> I think there are some forces in motion that are interested in taking over
> the business, I would recommend to wait and see what happens with that and
> the KR world.  Or you could always buy someone else's project and hope for
> the best.
> 
> As for me, I asked for and was hoping for a refund, I'm not sure if I will
> get plans or a refund or anything at this point, and that is not a good
> feeling.
> 
> What I have learned is you must be patient with your KR2 expectations, plan
> ahead - if you want to order something be prepared to wait like a year for
> parts or plans. On the other end of that order is a guy in a garage with a
> bunch of expensive tools and raw materials, and he might have a couple
> other jobs too.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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KR> Kr Plans

[Virgil N.Salisbury]

 No, an already built single place, Virg


 On 1/6/2015 6:25 AM, Herbert F?rle via KRnet wrote:
> ..Randy Moore  offers his Kr Plans for 3000.00? Is it possible that the 
> decimal dot is on the wrong   place ? I think one left is ok.
> Herbert
> German Kr
>
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KR> KR Plans

[Virgil N.Salisbury]

 I will try and contact Jeannette Tomorrow and see what is up, Virg


 On 1/5/2015 7:34 PM, bjoenunley via KRnet wrote:
> I saw an address for Jeannette Rand in the archives. I believe it was in the 
> more recent set. When I get some time I can go back and look.
>
> Joe
>
> All plans from my understanding still are obtained through Jeannette Rand.
>
>

KR> KR Plans

[bjoenunley]

I saw an address for Jeannette Rand in the archives. I believe it was in the 
more recent set. When I get some time I can go back and look.?

Joe

All plans from my understanding still are obtained through Jeannette Rand.

Alex Pearson
San Antonio, TX
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

 Original message From: Alex Pearson via KRnet 
 Date:01/05/2015  4:48 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: Kyle Gonterwitz ,KRnet  Subject: Re: KR> KR Plans 
All plans from my understanding still are obtained through Jeannette Rand.
NVAero was providing them as a service to the community not something they
made very much money on, Also from what I heard that Jeannette prefers to
handle multiple orders at one time since there are large scale plans and
the build book to be copied.

If someone has a way to email Jeanette Rand that most likely is going to be
the best way to get plans without purchasing someone elses project.

Alex Pearson
San Antonio, TX

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Kyle Gonterwitz via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Larry,
> I ordered plans August 9, 2014, I joined the forum around that time too.
>
> About three weeks later, I inquired about NVAero in a way that rubbed some
> people the wrong way, including the former NVAero proprietor.
>
> I think there are some forces in motion that are interested in taking over
> the business, I would recommend to wait and see what happens with that and
> the KR world.  Or you could always buy someone else's project and hope for
> the best.
>
> As for me, I asked for and was hoping for a refund, I'm not sure if I will
> get plans or a refund or anything at this point, and that is not a good
> feeling.
>
> What I have learned is you must be patient with your KR2 expectations, plan
> ahead - if you want to order something be prepared to wait like a year for
> parts or plans. On the other end of that order is a guy in a garage with a
> bunch of expensive tools and raw materials, and he might have a couple
> other jobs too.
>
>
>
> --
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KR> KR Plans

[Alex Pearson]

All plans from my understanding still are obtained through Jeannette Rand.
NVAero was providing them as a service to the community not something they
made very much money on, Also from what I heard that Jeannette prefers to
handle multiple orders at one time since there are large scale plans and
the build book to be copied.

If someone has a way to email Jeanette Rand that most likely is going to be
the best way to get plans without purchasing someone elses project.

Alex Pearson
San Antonio, TX

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Kyle Gonterwitz via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Larry,
> I ordered plans August 9, 2014, I joined the forum around that time too.
>
> About three weeks later, I inquired about NVAero in a way that rubbed some
> people the wrong way, including the former NVAero proprietor.
>
> I think there are some forces in motion that are interested in taking over
> the business, I would recommend to wait and see what happens with that and
> the KR world.  Or you could always buy someone else's project and hope for
> the best.
>
> As for me, I asked for and was hoping for a refund, I'm not sure if I will
> get plans or a refund or anything at this point, and that is not a good
> feeling.
>
> What I have learned is you must be patient with your KR2 expectations, plan
> ahead - if you want to order something be prepared to wait like a year for
> parts or plans. On the other end of that order is a guy in a garage with a
> bunch of expensive tools and raw materials, and he might have a couple
> other jobs too.
>
>
>
> --
> Kyle Gonterwitz
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KR> KR Plans

[Kyle Gonterwitz]

Hi Larry,
I ordered plans August 9, 2014, I joined the forum around that time too.

About three weeks later, I inquired about NVAero in a way that rubbed some
people the wrong way, including the former NVAero proprietor.

I think there are some forces in motion that are interested in taking over
the business, I would recommend to wait and see what happens with that and
the KR world.  Or you could always buy someone else's project and hope for
the best.

As for me, I asked for and was hoping for a refund, I'm not sure if I will
get plans or a refund or anything at this point, and that is not a good
feeling.

What I have learned is you must be patient with your KR2 expectations, plan
ahead - if you want to order something be prepared to wait like a year for
parts or plans. On the other end of that order is a guy in a garage with a
bunch of expensive tools and raw materials, and he might have a couple
other jobs too.



-- 
Kyle Gonterwitz

KR> KR Plans

[Randy Moore Newbern Tn. N318RM]

Larry come and buy the one I have and I will give you the plans 3000.00  email 
or call and I will send you photos and info
 Randy Moore
Newbern Tn. 38059
731 589 1330
no1son38 at aol.com


-Original Message-
From: Larry Rickard via KRnet 
To: krnet 
Sent: Sat, Jan 3, 2015 9:10 am
Subject: KR> KR Plans


Hello and Happy New Year to everybody on the list!

I'm new guy here who's had an interest in KR's for many years. I was
recently going to drop the hammer and order a set of plans, only to
discover that the NV Aero website appears to be defunct. Going to the
website returns a message saying that the site is "down for maintenence"
and that the webstore is closed. Does anybody know what's going on here?
What can I do - or where can I go - to order plans? Enquiring minds want to
know!

Thanks,
~Larry
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KR> KR Plans

[Larry Rickard]

Hello and Happy New Year to everybody on the list!

I'm new guy here who's had an interest in KR's for many years. I was
recently going to drop the hammer and order a set of plans, only to
discover that the NV Aero website appears to be defunct. Going to the
website returns a message saying that the site is "down for maintenence"
and that the webstore is closed. Does anybody know what's going on here?
What can I do - or where can I go - to order plans? Enquiring minds want to
know!

Thanks,
~Larry

KR> Plans and Serial Number

[Tony King]

My plans have at least 10 -15 sheets and the builders guide is about 100 pages. 
 The serial no is a document included with genuine plans.  Note that the plans 
are licensed (not sold) and entitle the purchaser to build one aircraft only.

TK

Sent from my iPad

On 9 Aug 2014, at 12:57 pm, Neville Sutton via KRnet  
wrote:

I have contacted a fellow that has a halve built KR2 for sale

And he is will to sell me just the plans and builders manual
After a lot of messages on Face Book I have discovered he only has 2 sheets 
(blueprints as he called them) and cannot find a serial number
He also has some form of step by step manual (not sure if its for a KR-2)
He has sent me a photo of unrelated books as part of what he is selling 
thinking they where for the KR-2

How many of these Blueprints?? should there be and where would some form of a 
serial rego number be


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KR> Plans and Serial Number

[Neville Sutton]

I have contacted a fellow that has a halve built KR2 for sale

And he is will to sell me just the plans and builders manual
After a lot of messages on Face Book I have discovered he only has 2 
sheets (blueprints as he called them) and cannot find a serial number
He also has some form of step by step manual (not sure if its for a KR-2)
He has sent me a photo of unrelated books as part of what he is selling 
thinking they where for the KR-2

How many of these Blueprints?? should there be and where would some form 
of a serial rego number be

KR> Plans and Serial Number

[Jeff Scott]

Neville, do yourself a favor and buy a complete set of plans from Steve at NV 
Aero.  They just don't cost that much.  They you will know what you've got.

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM

> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 at 8:57 PM
> From: "Neville Sutton via KRnet" 
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: KR> Plans and Serial Number
>
> I have contacted a fellow that has a halve built KR2 for sale
> 
> And he is will to sell me just the plans and builders manual
> After a lot of messages on Face Book I have discovered he only has 2 
> sheets (blueprints as he called them) and cannot find a serial number
> He also has some form of step by step manual (not sure if its for a KR-2)
> He has sent me a photo of unrelated books as part of what he is selling 
> thinking they where for the KR-2
> 
> How many of these Blueprints?? should there be and where would some form 
> of a serial rego number be

KR> Plans...

[Rich Angel]

 I am considering a KR build project.  I would like to do the full-up build 
working from plans without NVaero's "kit".  Can anyone speak to how what 
literature comes with a plans set and how complete/descriptive that literature 
is for a first time builder?
 Thanks,
Rich

KR> Plans lacking details

[Virgil N. Salisbury]

Build sides. bBend together and place crosspieces as shown.
tThe other dimensions will be measured after bending and
fill in, Virg


On 8/14/2011 2:52 AM, Tim Caughron wrote:
> Hi guys, sitting down tonight to plan the layout of my fuselage. Now, I love
> logic puzzles, and am pretty good at them, but this is ridiculous. I'm
> hoping someone can take a minute and check to see that I have a full
> inventory of plans here. I purchased plans KR-2 #9809/KR-2S #1196 in January
> 2005 from RR. Maybe I'm crazy, or just need to make up some dimensions, but
> I cannot figure out some of these.
>
>
>
> For instance, looking at the Horizontal Framing Layout on Dwg A for the 2S,
> it only gives me the width locations of Stn's A, D, and G. It shows the max
> width between F&  G and straight from Stn I. Nowhere does it give me the
> width of Stn O, or any other location that would allow me to figure the
> correct dimensions. I looked through every page in my manual, and the best
> it does is tell me to refer to the plans for all the correct dimension of
> the layout???
>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me if there is a dimension sheet for all the called out
> parts on the drawings? Seems there should be a reference to say Station A -
> O are xx inches in length, or there should be some key dimensions to allow
> one to figure those out. At the very least, the plans should tell me how
> wide the aft end of the longerons should be dimensioned - come on!
>
>
>
> Another cause for concern with my plan set is I plan to build a tri-gear
> version. Nowhere on any drawing is tri-gear addressed, and the manual deals
> only with tail-gear details - no mention of tri-gear period! I'm sure the
> situation is worse the farther from simply laying out the fuselage frame I
> will get. Am I missing something here?
>
>
>
> Here is an inventory of the plans I received with this set, if someone
> notices something missing, please let me know so I can try to contact
> Jeanette and get them, thanks:
>
>
>
> KR-2 Drawings
>
>  Dwg 1 - Fuselage Assy.
>
>  Dwg 2 - Inboard / Outboard Wing Template, Flap Hardware&
> Assembly
>
>  Firewall Template - Full Scale
>
>
>
> KR-2S Drawings
>
>  Dwg A - Framing Layouts
>
>  Dwg B - Various Details
>
>  Firewall Template - Full Scale
>
>  W1 - Spar Details
>
>  W2 -  Wing Details
>
>  W3 - Airfoils
>
>
>
> Thanks to anyone that can help me. Maybe I shouldn't be so concerned with
> every detail, but this seems like an awful lot of guessing.
>
>
>
> Tim Caughron
>
> caugh...@bak.rr.com
>
>
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KR> Plans lacking details

[Derek Lewis]

Tim,

I don't know about the plans.  I'm building a standard kr-2, and I don't know 
the difference in the plans.  My plans for the tri-gear came with my landing 
gear (I believe the nose gear assembly).  I have noticed a lot of gaps in my 
plans as well.  It seems a lot has to be interpreted, and for that I have used 
the search function on krnet a LOT!!!

Sorry I can't be more help,

Derek Lewis

-- Original Message --
From: "Tim Caughron" <caugh...@bak.rr.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Subject: KR> Plans lacking details
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:52:57 -0700

Hi guys, sitting down tonight to plan the layout of my fuselage. Now, I love
logic puzzles, and am pretty good at them, but this is ridiculous. I'm
hoping someone can take a minute and check to see that I have a full
inventory of plans here. I purchased plans KR-2 #9809/KR-2S #1196 in January
2005 from RR. Maybe I'm crazy, or just need to make up some dimensions, but
I cannot figure out some of these.



For instance, looking at the Horizontal Framing Layout on Dwg A for the 2S,
it only gives me the width locations of Stn's A, D, and G. It shows the max
width between F & G and straight from Stn I. Nowhere does it give me the
width of Stn O, or any other location that would allow me to figure the
correct dimensions. I looked through every page in my manual, and the best
it does is tell me to refer to the plans for all the correct dimension of
the layout???



Can anyone tell me if there is a dimension sheet for all the called out
parts on the drawings? Seems there should be a reference to say Station A -
O are xx inches in length, or there should be some key dimensions to allow
one to figure those out. At the very least, the plans should tell me how
wide the aft end of the longerons should be dimensioned - come on!



Another cause for concern with my plan set is I plan to build a tri-gear
version. Nowhere on any drawing is tri-gear addressed, and the manual deals
only with tail-gear details - no mention of tri-gear period! I'm sure the
situation is worse the farther from simply laying out the fuselage frame I
will get. Am I missing something here?



Here is an inventory of the plans I received with this set, if someone
notices something missing, please let me know so I can try to contact
Jeanette and get them, thanks:



KR-2 Drawings

Dwg 1 - Fuselage Assy.

Dwg 2 - Inboard / Outboard Wing Template, Flap Hardware &
Assembly

Firewall Template - Full Scale



KR-2S Drawings

Dwg A - Framing Layouts

Dwg B - Various Details

Firewall Template - Full Scale

W1 - Spar Details

W2 -  Wing Details

W3 - Airfoils



Thanks to anyone that can help me. Maybe I shouldn't be so concerned with
every detail, but this seems like an awful lot of guessing.



Tim Caughron

caugh...@bak.rr.com



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KR> Plans lacking details

[Tim Caughron]

Hi guys, sitting down tonight to plan the layout of my fuselage. Now, I love
logic puzzles, and am pretty good at them, but this is ridiculous. I'm
hoping someone can take a minute and check to see that I have a full
inventory of plans here. I purchased plans KR-2 #9809/KR-2S #1196 in January
2005 from RR. Maybe I'm crazy, or just need to make up some dimensions, but
I cannot figure out some of these.



For instance, looking at the Horizontal Framing Layout on Dwg A for the 2S,
it only gives me the width locations of Stn's A, D, and G. It shows the max
width between F & G and straight from Stn I. Nowhere does it give me the
width of Stn O, or any other location that would allow me to figure the
correct dimensions. I looked through every page in my manual, and the best
it does is tell me to refer to the plans for all the correct dimension of
the layout???



Can anyone tell me if there is a dimension sheet for all the called out
parts on the drawings? Seems there should be a reference to say Station A -
O are xx inches in length, or there should be some key dimensions to allow
one to figure those out. At the very least, the plans should tell me how
wide the aft end of the longerons should be dimensioned - come on!



Another cause for concern with my plan set is I plan to build a tri-gear
version. Nowhere on any drawing is tri-gear addressed, and the manual deals
only with tail-gear details - no mention of tri-gear period! I'm sure the
situation is worse the farther from simply laying out the fuselage frame I
will get. Am I missing something here?



Here is an inventory of the plans I received with this set, if someone
notices something missing, please let me know so I can try to contact
Jeanette and get them, thanks:



KR-2 Drawings

Dwg 1 - Fuselage Assy.

Dwg 2 - Inboard / Outboard Wing Template, Flap Hardware &
Assembly

Firewall Template - Full Scale



KR-2S Drawings

Dwg A - Framing Layouts

Dwg B - Various Details

Firewall Template - Full Scale

W1 - Spar Details

W2 -  Wing Details

W3 - Airfoils



Thanks to anyone that can help me. Maybe I shouldn't be so concerned with
every detail, but this seems like an awful lot of guessing.



Tim Caughron

caugh...@bak.rr.com

KR> KR plans & book

[Donald Greer]

Anyone who can chime in . . .

What, if anything, is missing from this offering?

Can plans be sold legally this way?

Can the KR2S supplement be had separately?

Don Greer
Belleville, Ontario

On 16-Feb-11, at 10:34 AM, laser...@juno.com wrote:

> eBay Item# 360344099921

KR> KR plans & book

[Donald Greer]

Anyone who can chime in . . .

What, if anything, is missing from this offering?

Can the KR2S supplement be had separately?

Don Greer
Belleville, Ontario



On 16-Feb-11, at 10:34 AM, laser...@juno.com wrote:

> eBay Item# 360344099921
> 

KR> KR plans & book

[laser...@juno.com]

eBay Item# 360344099921

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KR> Plans Date

[Randy irons]

Does anyone know the dates of the most recent plans for the KR2S.  There
is a set on Barnstormers and I'm wondering if his 1999 plans are as
current as the ones from RR or am I better off going direct to the
source?  

Randy Irons
Broomfield, CO
randy.ir...@comcast.net

KR> Plans serial number

[Phillip Matheson]

Use the Number in the BLUE KR2 book.


Phil Matheson
SAAA Ch. 20  http://www.saaa20.org/
VH-PKR
Australia

EMAIL:   phillipmathe...@bigpond.com
KR Web Page: www.philskr2.50megs.com


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KR> Plans serial number

[Tim]

Make-one up  exp> KRS-001 or birthdate KRS-D/M/Yr

- Original Message - 
From: "Len" <l...@steyns.net>
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:06 PM
Subject: KR> Plans serial number


Hi
I have a small problem. I bought a partial built KR2S. But the plans do not
have a serial number I can find.
I need a serial number to register the project with our CAA in South Africa.
I have sent a fax to RR and called a couple of times but received no answer.
What to do?

Len Steyn
Roodepoort
South Africa

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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of bearlk...@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:58 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> Astrovan main gear legs


 Mike,
I bought and tested some astro van legs a couple of years back, and found
them too flexible to hold the weight of a Kr2 and a safety factor of 1.5.
Being shy of prop strike, I shelved the astro van legs and went another
direction. A couple of questions- how long are your gear legs, and (your
message implies it has not yet flown) how did you test them?
Bob Polgreen
Nowthen MN







-Original Message-
From: M <aviato...@phreego.com>
To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:47 am
Subject: Re: KR> Astrovan main gear legs










 Marlyn,
I used the spring bar from the old retract system, cut it into and attached
them
to the landing gear brackets which I also built out of 4130, 1/8" . I put
two
small webs, just to add a little strength and made some holes to save
weight.
I epoxyed foam on the front and back of the legs and shaped them to an
airfoil,
then put one layer of cloth.  I built the upper gear bracket with an 8
degree
incidence. Don't know if I will get any lift out of them, but the main
reason I
did this was to take the (toe in) out of the wheel alignment. (tail dragger)

The other thing is they look cool, and reduced the weight of the landing
gear
quite a bit over those heavy aluminum brackets.
I also painted both the steel brackets and the aluminum bar so as to not
have
any direct contact between two dissimilar metals, so no corrosion can set
in.
The lower brackets, I made of 1/4" 4130, same width as the alum bar about 8"

long, I cut most of the way through on an angle to make it plumb with the
aircraft in level position. I then bent it and filled the opening with weld.
 Before I cut anything I made cardboard (highly recommend) templates of
bracket
and gear legs and used small spring clamps to put them in place and check
everything for alignment. After putting all this together and checking with
all
the gear and wheels on, I am now sitting at -0- toe in/toe out. I don't have
all
the weight on the gear yet so that may change.
I doubt if I have a hundred dollars in the whole setup.
Your results may vary.

Mike Turner
Edgewood NM, USA
   <http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/thread?tt=d=2=65>
  Marlyn Taylor
  541-344-6709
  Eugene, OR 97405
  marly...@efn.org


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KR> Plans serial number

[Len]

Hi
I have a small problem. I bought a partial built KR2S. But the plans do not
have a serial number I can find.
I need a serial number to register the project with our CAA in South Africa.
I have sent a fax to RR and called a couple of times but received no answer.
What to do?

Len Steyn
Roodepoort
South Africa

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of bearlk...@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:58 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> Astrovan main gear legs


 Mike,
I bought and tested some astro van legs a couple of years back, and found
them too flexible to hold the weight of a Kr2 and a safety factor of 1.5.
Being shy of prop strike, I shelved the astro van legs and went another
direction. A couple of questions- how long are your gear legs, and (your
message implies it has not yet flown) how did you test them?
Bob Polgreen
Nowthen MN







-Original Message-
From: M 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 11:47 am
Subject: Re: KR> Astrovan main gear legs










 Marlyn,
I used the spring bar from the old retract system, cut it into and attached
them 
to the landing gear brackets which I also built out of 4130, 1/8" . I put
two 
small webs, just to add a little strength and made some holes to save
weight. 
I epoxyed foam on the front and back of the legs and shaped them to an
airfoil, 
then put one layer of cloth.  I built the upper gear bracket with an 8
degree 
incidence. Don't know if I will get any lift out of them, but the main
reason I 
did this was to take the (toe in) out of the wheel alignment. (tail dragger)

The other thing is they look cool, and reduced the weight of the landing
gear 
quite a bit over those heavy aluminum brackets. 
I also painted both the steel brackets and the aluminum bar so as to not
have 
any direct contact between two dissimilar metals, so no corrosion can set
in. 
The lower brackets, I made of 1/4" 4130, same width as the alum bar about 8"

long, I cut most of the way through on an angle to make it plumb with the 
aircraft in level position. I then bent it and filled the opening with weld.
 Before I cut anything I made cardboard (highly recommend) templates of
bracket 
and gear legs and used small spring clamps to put them in place and check 
everything for alignment. After putting all this together and checking with
all 
the gear and wheels on, I am now sitting at -0- toe in/toe out. I don't have
all 
the weight on the gear yet so that may change.
I doubt if I have a hundred dollars in the whole setup.
Your results may vary.

Mike Turner
Edgewood NM, USA 
     
  Marlyn Taylor
  541-344-6709
  Eugene, OR 97405
  marly...@efn.org


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KR> KR plans on ebay

[bobby burington]

Here are three more listings that include the KR-2 on the CD. The add doesn't 
list the KR but I enquired with the seller and shure enough it is there on the 
disk and this is the seller that sold the disk with resale rights to the first 
plans seller a couple of days ago. 

eBay  item #'s   390033631553  260365244701 390033065341


I have filed my complaints with eBay.

Bobby Burington
California KR builder.

KR> Seeking Original KR Plans Owner

[D Lively]

Netters:

Does anyone know William Rivers, Formerly of 68 Beachview Ave,  Malden Mass. 
He was the original owner of the plans of my KR and i am trying to track him 
down.  He purch. the plans in '78.

I recently rec'd this information in a response to my Fax to Jeanette Rand.

Many thanks to Jeanette!

Don Lively
Burlington IA 

KR> Plans question

[Russ Kendall]

I'm at the same place you are Nick. I took it to leave off the last verticle
before the long piece that goes to the top of the vertical stabilizer. I
could be wrong; I'll read more about it this weekend. I finished the second
side this last weekend, Yay! I'm tired of the gussets!
Russ

KR> Plans question

[Nick Brennan]

Ok, I've done some serious research, and it appears that the member at 
station "O" from the s-supplement does not go into place before the skin, 
but does the member at "N"??  It would appear that neither do?  Anyone?

Nick Brennan
nickdbren...@comcast.net

KR> Plans question

[Mark Langford]

Nick Brennan wrote:

> Ok, I've done some serious research, and it appears that the member at
> station "O" from the s-supplement does not go into place before the skin,
> but does the member at "N"??  It would appear that neither do?  Anyone?

Neither member goes in until the vertical stab construction phase.  The N 
member is best left out so you can angle the edges so that the plywood shear 
web that supports the front vertical stab spar is fastened to will have full 
bearing on them.  It's a lot easier to do that once the fuselage is 
constructed and you can make actual measurements and get it dead on, rather 
than guessing now and having it wrong later (and having to angle them while 
in place).

This is one of many examples in the plans where having a crystal ball would 
be very helpful...

Mark Langford
email: N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website:  www.N56ML.com

KR> Plans question

[Russ Kendall]

Hi Nick,
   I'm at the same place your at; and I've been scratching my head abit
also. I've left the verticle at N out, and left myself about 8" extra on the
length of the longerons, (since I'm extending the length aft 6"). I wanted a
little extra to play with. I noted on Ricky Farleys webpage he gave some
good advice on ,"What not to". He chopped of his longerons with the 7 degree
angle at 0, not realizing it is actually a compound angle due to the angle
of the sides meeting at 0.
I've been kicking around the idea of skining only the front half of the
fuselage on both sides, (as Ricky did, you can see it on his web page). I
think I'll cut my scarf joints in the plywood and T-88 them up to J, (which
is the verticle under my scarf joints). The fuselage from J back should be
fairly flat enableing, (hopefully) a fairly easy glue of the plywood. I'm
thinking having the back of the fuselage open is going to facilitate the set
up of the "Webs" for the horizontal & verticle stabilizers.
   The plywood on the front and rear of the verticles at N sandwiches the
front spar of the horizontal stabilizer. If one were to glue the verticles
in while the sides are flat on the bench the two verticles, (one on each
side) would be square with the side, but not with each other. These two
verticles must be parallel with each other in order for the plywood, that
goes on each side of them at N, to fit flush against the verticles and
sandwich the spar of the H.S..
Until you get your sides clamped or glued into position, it's going to be
pretty much impossible to guess what angle the verticles at N need to be.
They'll be actually twisted on their axis to be parallel with each other.
Also to get the front spar of the H.S. square with the fuselage it's going
to be easier to actually have it sitting in the slot formed by the "Web"
(the plywood sandwich created with the plywood on both sides of the
verticles at N). a fraction of an inch off at the fuselage is going to be
exagerated at the tip of the H.S. spar.
   So, to try and sum all this up. One won't know what angle to set the
verticles, or to cut the rear of the longerons until you have the sides
clamped together. Depending on how wide you make your fuselage the angle of
the sides to each other will change. I'm sure one could figure it out with
geometry, but hey I'm just a KR builder.
   This is probably as clear as mud, but my intent is to help
Russ

KR> Plans question

[Myron (Dan) Freeman]

Hi Guy's;

Mark wrote,

>This is one of many examples in the plans where having a crystal ball would
be very helpful...

I started to write a comment about this earlier this morning but changed my 
mind because I thought "it's all in the Q & A's on the KR net. But! some of 
it is very hard for new builders to find, they don't know what to ask or how 
to ask it sometimes. My thought is to write a "paint by the numbers" sort of 
instruction manual that helps builders through the tuff stuff that has been 
covered in the past and is a known problem. I can hear you now already "Go 
right ahead and do it". Well, I'll be the first to admit that I don't know 
all of the answers but with the new KR forum, we as a group could assemble 
all of the commom answers to common problems that the plans seem to leave 
out or seem to be gray areas and as time goes on it would grow into a full 
fledge manual of sorts in a section by section format like "fuselage", 
"wing", ect. ect. in the order that it should be done. The hope again is to 
help speed along the building process with common methods (no experimenting 
here) and make it a truly enjoyable experience for the new builder.

The floor is now open for comments.

Have a great day, I already have.

Regards
Myron (Dan) Freeman
Indpls, Ind. 46203 USA. Home of the
2007 World Champion Indpls, Colt's
mfreem...@indy.rr.com
Posted - Friday, 04/06/07 10:53 am 

KR> Plans question

[Myron (Dan) Freeman]

Hi Guy's;

Mark wrote,

>This is one of many examples in the plans where having a crystal ball would
be very helpful...

I started to write a comment about this earlier this morning but changed my 
mind because I thought "it's all in the Q & A's on the KR net. But! some of 
it is very hard for new builders to find, they don't know what to ask or how 
to ask it sometimes. My thought is to write a "paint by the numbers" sort of 
instruction manual that helps builders through the tuff stuff that has been 
covered in the past and is a known problem. I can hear you now already "Go 
right ahead and do it". Well, I'll be the first to admit that I don't know 
all of the answers but with the new KR forum, we as a group could assemble 
all of the commom answers to common problems that the plans seem to leave 
out or seem to be gray areas and as time goes on it would grow into a full 
fledge manual of sorts in a section by section format like "fuselage", 
"wing", ect. ect. in the order that it should be done. The hope again is to 
help speed along the building process with common methods (no experimenting 
here) and make it a truly enjoyable experience for the new builder.

The floor is now open for comments.

Have a great day, I already have.

Regards
Myron (Dan) Freeman
Indpls, Ind. 46203 USA. Home of the
2007 World Champion Indpls, Colt's
mfreem...@indy.rr.com
Posted - second time, Saturday, 04/07/07 6:40 am

KR> Plans question

[Ed Janssen]

Dan,

This is certainly not a new idea, as it has been brought up a few times in
the KRnet past.  It is a good one, but would require a lot of gathering,
sorting, filtering, etc. of information by the most KR knowledgable people
out there - who, I imagine, would probably prefer to spend the lion's share
of their recreational time building or flying their KR.  However, having
said that, Mark Langford has actually done quite a bit of this sort of work
on his own website.

In the meantime, until someone steps up to the plate and wants to give it a
try, probably the best thing for new or low time KR builders to do is to
continue to search the archives, visit and study the best builder websites,
and, as they come to mind, ask questions on the KRnet.

Ed Janssen

> My thought is to write a "paint by the numbers" sort of
> instruction manual that helps builders through the tuff stuff that has
been
> covered in the past and is a known problem. I can hear you now already "Go
> right ahead and do it". Well, I'll be the first to admit that I don't know
> all of the answers but with the new KR forum, we as a group could assemble
> all of the commom answers to common problems that the plans seem to leave
> out or seem to be gray areas and as time goes on it would grow into a full
> fledge manual of sorts in a section by section format like "fuselage",
> "wing", ect. ect. in the order that it should be done.

> Regards
> Myron (Dan) Freeman

KR> Plans question

[Myron (Dan) Freeman]

Hi Ed;

My hope was that since the KR forum can be edited after a subject is posted, 
it could be added to over time, little by little by the author from items 
submitted by different builders that have made it through those same missing 
or gray areas without taking much of anyone's time and it would be available 
all in one place without the need for seemingly endless searching (no chat 
or BS involved). I'm not really sure how well it would work but it seems it 
might be worth a try. I kind of had in mind something like the piece I did 
in the building section of the forum titled "New Builder's checklist of 
commonly used KR specifications". A lot of builders seemed to like it and it 
is (or was) the most veiwed topic on the forum I beleive. Well, that's a 
good comment Ed, let's see what others think of it.

Regards
Myron (Dan) Freeman
Indpls, Ind. 46203 USA. Home of the
2007 World Champion Indpls, Colt's
mfreem...@indy.rr.com
Posted - Saturday,04/07/07 11:12 am 

Fw: KR> Plans question

[Myron (Dan) Freeman]

Regards
Myron (Dan) Freeman
Indpls, Ind. 46203 USA. Home of the
2007 World Champion Indpls, Colt's
mfreem...@indy.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Myron (Dan) Freeman" <mfreem...@indy.rr.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Plans question


> Hi Ed;
>
> My hope was that since the KR forum can be edited after a subject is 
> posted, it could be added to over time, little by little by the author 
> from items submitted by different builders that have made it through those 
> same missing or gray areas without taking much of anyone's time and it 
> would be available all in one place without the need for seemingly endless 
> searching (no chat or BS involved). I'm not really sure how well it would 
> work but it seems it might be worth a try. I kind of had in mind something 
> like the piece I did in the building section of the forum titled "New 
> Builder's checklist of commonly used KR specifications". A lot of builders 
> seemed to like it and it is (or was) the most veiwed topic on the forum I 
> beleive. Well, that's a good comment Ed, let's see what others think of 
> it.
>
> Regards
> Myron (Dan) Freeman
> Indpls, Ind. 46203 USA. Home of the
> 2007 World Champion Indpls, Colt's
> mfreem...@indy.rr.com
> Posted - Saturday,04/07/07 11:12 am 

KR> KR plans

[Mick Myal]

How current are the official plans?

Anyone publishing plan revisions?

KR> KR plans

[Myron (Dan) Freeman]

Hi Mick;

It would help if you would put your e-mail address in your post but that 
aside, I had the older plans before the KR-2S. They were for the KR-2 that I 
have and are basicly the same as the newest plans that are available now 
(which I recently purchased just because I had money to burn and Mrs. Rand 
needs the money) only there just printed out better. I believe that all they 
did was add another plan sheet for the stretched model modifications and 
also added a firewall templete sheet. The only offical plans or revisions 
being published are those from Rand / Robinson.

Regards
Myron (Dan) Freeman
Indpls, Ind. 46203 USA
mfreem...@indy.rr.com

KR> KR PLans on CD

[Mark Jones]

This is interestingcould it be a copyright infringement?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KR-2-EXPERIMENTAL-AIRCRAFT-PLANS-ON-CD_W0QQitemZ120041686142QQihZ002QQcategoryZ26441QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/
Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com

KR> KR PLans on CD

[Joseph H. Horton]

 It don't smell good and the buy it now price seems to good to be true
and the one copy available is also strange. If nothing else you usually
get what you pay for.
Joe 
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:03:03 -0500 "Mark Jones" 
writes:
> This is interestingcould it be a copyright infringement?
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KR-2-EXPERIMENTAL-AIRCRAFT-PLANS-ON-CD_W0Q
QitemZ120041686142QQihZ002QQcategoryZ26441QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi
ewItem
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/
> Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com
> 
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Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

KR> KR PLans on CD

[Orma Robbins]

It states it's located on the" left coast"

Orma L. Robbins
N110LR 1984 to present

KR> KR PLans on CD

[Bill Johnson]

If I read the registration correctly - not the superimposed "K2NE", whatever
that's supposed to be - but on the empennage, it looks like N382L.  This
comes up as the KR-2 built by Lance Niebauer.  Currently registered
(questionably) to someone in Texas.

Hmmm.

Bill Johnson
Kennesaw, GA


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Of Orma Robbins
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:15 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> KR PLans on CD

It states it's located on the" left coast"

Orma L. Robbins
N110LR 1984 to present


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KR> KR PLans on CD

[oldbiker...@aol.com]

Just go to ebay motors and put in KR2 experimental plans on cd he's got all  
kinds.
Ray Lee
KR2 9763

KR> KR PLans on CD

[Mark Jones]

Actually if you look under purchased he had five copies available and one 
left for sale on this auction. it is what is called a Dutch auction .

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph H. Horton" <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR PLans on CD


> It don't smell good and the buy it now price seems to good to be true
> and the one copy available is also strange. If nothing else you usually
> get what you pay for.
> Joe
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:03:03 -0500 "Mark Jones" <mjo...@muellersales.com>
> writes:
>> This is interestingcould it be a copyright infringement?
>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KR-2-EXPERIMENTAL-AIRCRAFT-PLANS-ON-CD_W0Q
> QitemZ120041686142QQihZ002QQcategoryZ26441QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi
> ewItem
>>
>> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
>> Wales, WI
>> My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/
>> Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
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KR> KR PLans on CD

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

Is Vince Q on this list ?? He is a ham radio operator it seems,
K2NE, Virg

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:03:03 -0500 "Mark Jones" 
writes:
> This is interestingcould it be a copyright infringement?
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KR-2-EXPERIMENTAL-AIRCRAFT-PLANS-ON-CD_W0Q
QitemZ120041686142QQihZ002QQcategoryZ26441QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi
ewItem
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/
> Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com
> 
> 
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Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL
www.lubedealer.com/salisbury
Miami ,Fl

KR> KR PLans on CD

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

KALL II FORNYA, Virg

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:14:48 -0400 "Orma Robbins"
 writes:
> It states it's located on the" left coast"
> 
> Orma L. Robbins
> N110LR 1984 to present
> 
> 
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www.lubedealer.com/salisbury
Miami ,Fl

KR> KR PLans on CD

[jscott.pi...@juno.com]

Don't know if anyone else wrote to the seller, but I did question him on
his ethics.  

He replied:   
These CDs were purchased by me at an airshow about a month ago. When
these are gone, that's it - and they are being sold under the Right of
Frst Resale and are not copies made by me. 

I also sent a note to Ebay questioning the legality of this guy selling
Rand Robinson's intellectual property.

You will note that the sale was ended.  

Jeff Scott


On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:03:03 -0500 "Mark Jones" 
writes:
> This is interestingcould it be a copyright infringement?
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KR-2-EXPERIMENTAL-AIRCRAFT-PLANS-ON-CD_W0Q
QitemZ120041686142QQihZ002QQcategoryZ26441QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi
ewItem
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/
> Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com

KR> KR PLans on CD

[Mark Jones]

Good job Jeff. I think Jeanette should be notified.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI 
Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
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To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR PLans on CD


> Don't know if anyone else wrote to the seller, but I did question him on
> his ethics.  
> 
> He replied:   
> These CDs were purchased by me at an airshow about a month ago. When
> these are gone, that's it - and they are being sold under the Right of
> Frst Resale and are not copies made by me. 
> 
> I also sent a note to Ebay questioning the legality of this guy selling
> Rand Robinson's intellectual property.
> 
> You will note that the sale was ended.  
> 
> Jeff Scott
> 
> 
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:03:03 -0500 "Mark Jones" <mjo...@muellersales.com>
> writes:
>> This is interestingcould it be a copyright infringement?
>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KR-2-EXPERIMENTAL-AIRCRAFT-PLANS-ON-CD_W0Q
> QitemZ120041686142QQihZ002QQcategoryZ26441QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi
> ewItem
>> 
>> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
>> Wales, WI
>> My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/
>> Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com
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[tinya...@aol.com]

This happens all the time.  There are bootleg plans being sold of about 
anything you could imagine on ebay.  Plans for things other than airplanes too.

I have bought a few plans on CD from ebay auctions with no intent to build the 
plane at all.  I just want to see how another designer has done something.  
Most drawings on CD are old out of date plans and I wouldn't think anyone would 
build these designs today.  I may be wrong, but I think the plans we are 
talking about here are the KR2, not the KR2S.  As I have said before, surely no 
one would start from scratch and build a KR2 as it was designed in the early 
70s.  The KR2S with new airfoils isn't really a KR2.  It is a different, much 
better bird with simularities as I see it.  

I rarely chime in so since I am now I want to THANK those who posted photos of 
the KR meet in IL.  It looked like a very good meet with great weather and even 
better airplanes!   

Kevin in MO
Ebay ID "tinycar"




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To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR PLans on CD


Good job Jeff. I think Jeanette should be notified.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI 
Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: <jscott.pi...@juno.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR PLans on CD


> Don't know if anyone else wrote to the seller, but I did question him on
> his ethics.  
> 
> He replied:   
> These CDs were purchased by me at an airshow about a month ago. When
> these are gone, that's it - and they are being sold under the Right of
> Frst Resale and are not copies made by me. 
> 
> I also sent a note to Ebay questioning the legality of this guy selling
> Rand Robinson's intellectual property.
> 
> You will note that the sale was ended.  
> 
> Jeff Scott
> 
> 
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:03:03 -0500 "Mark Jones" <mjo...@muellersales.com>
> writes:
>> This is interestingcould it be a copyright infringement?
>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KR-2-EXPERIMENTAL-AIRCRAFT-PLANS-ON-CD_W0Q
> QitemZ120041686142QQihZ002QQcategoryZ26441QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi
> ewItem
>> 
>> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
>> Wales, WI
>> My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/
>> Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com
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KR> KR PLans on CD

[Steve Glover]

I spoke with Jeanette about it this morning.  They certainly are not
authorized copies and she is looking into it...

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
AJO, Ca


-Original Message-

Good job Jeff. I think Jeanette should be notified.

KR> KR PLans on CD

[Red]

It is now 00:15 hrs CDT...(12:15 AM) and the page
referenced at Ebay is up and running...KR2 plans sold
out, but the info is there.



--- "Joseph H. Horton" 
wrote:

>  It don't smell good and the buy it now price seems
> to good to be true
> and the one copy available is also strange. If
> nothing else you usually
> get what you pay for.
> Joe 
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:03:03 -0500 "Mark Jones"
> 
> writes:
> > This is interestingcould it be a copyright
> infringement?
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KR-2-EXPERIMENTAL-AIRCRAFT-PLANS-ON-CD_W0Q
>
QitemZ120041686142QQihZ002QQcategoryZ26441QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi
> ewItem
> > 
> > Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> > Wales, WI
> > My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/
> > Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com
> > 
> > 
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> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
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KR> KR PLans on CD

[Pete Diffey]

I don't condone the theft of Janet's IP.

but

It is up to RR to get their finger out and stick genuine sets of plans 
on CD and make them available via ebay or any other means. Mark Langford 
has probably helped sell hundred's of sets of plans - far, far more than 
RR have sold !

Perhaps it's up to one of you boys with the correct background to help 
her out by offering to scan plans etc.

I really don't think that snarling at someone who makes a few bucks out 
of spotting a market will actually sell a single set of genuine plans. 
If RR were to get together with Mark, and put a set of plans + all the 
good construction stuff on a CD it could be sold for $10 and would sell 
in the tens of thousands.

Pete

KR> KR PLans on CD

[Mark Jones]

Hey, maybe we should approach Van's and all the others and get them to sell 
their plans on CD's for $10. Get real.!!! Those plans on the CD are theft of 
protected material.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Pete Diffey" <pe...@heroic.co.uk>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR PLans on CD


>I don't condone the theft of Janet's IP.
>
> but
>
> It is up to RR to get their finger out and stick genuine sets of plans
> on CD and make them available via ebay or any other means. Mark Langford
> has probably helped sell hundred's of sets of plans - far, far more than
> RR have sold !
>
> Perhaps it's up to one of you boys with the correct background to help
> her out by offering to scan plans etc.
>
> I really don't think that snarling at someone who makes a few bucks out
> of spotting a market will actually sell a single set of genuine plans.
> If RR were to get together with Mark, and put a set of plans + all the
> good construction stuff on a CD it could be sold for $10 and would sell
> in the tens of thousands.
>
> Pete
>
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KR> KR PLans on CD

[Phil Matheson]

CD it could be sold for $10 and would sell
in the tens of thousands.
-

You may be correct, but it is a lot more difficult to copy a complete 
printed manual, than it is to burn a copy of the CD.

I do not have a computer in you workshop, or would I walk inside to read the 
plans off you computer, or just print each section out as you go, Or print 
the complete manual off the CD??
I like to be working on one item and reading up on another from the manual, 
home work or when I have some spare time.

Hard to do that off a CD.


Phil Matheson
VH-PKR
Australia
KR Web Page
www.philskr2.50megs.com 

KR> KR PLans on CD

[Pete Diffey]

Mark Jones wrote:
> Hey, maybe we should approach Van's and all the others and get them to sell 
> their plans on CD's for $10. Get real.!!! Those plans on the CD are theft of 
> protected material.
>   
Hi Mark,

Vans provide good documentation, plus as far as I know there is no such 
thing as a plans built RV6 ( apart from the very first one ).

The problem is that RR have been tardy in getting into computers 
internet etc.

How many genuine sets of plans get sold a year ? low hundreds I would 
guess - perhaps $40k a year.

Genuine $10 CD called "Build Your Dream Plane" with glossy pics of 
girlies drooling over the Tom Cruise look-alike pilot would sell 
thousands. Remember it's bloody difficult to print large scale plans, so 
Janet would still get reqs for sets of paper plans, and get to sell all 
the fancy bits that are ( or should be ) available from her web site.

I think in the "get real" world this is called marketing.

Pete

KR> KR PLans on CD

[Steve Glover]

-Original Message-

It is up to RR to get their finger out and stick genuine sets of plans 
on CD and make them available via ebay or any other means. 

END OF UNINFORMED PEOPLE AGAIN TALKING ABOUT THINGS THEY HAVE NO
KNOWLEDGE OF

Jeanette asked that I didn't go in to detail about certain things,
however, she has done more than some think in this area.  I talked to
her tonight and she did say she would not sell a CD due to problems with
pirating, such as what is happening now. Jeanette was in the office most
of today and took several calls.  One set of plans are even enroute to
Romania.  The KR certainly has become a popular international design due
to the economical method of building. She mentioned she was going to
start spending more time at the office to make sure things are being
taken care of. 

There is no question the evolution of the KR and the momentum of our
group has been enhanced by the hard work and willingness to R and
document progress by Mark Langford.  He has been an inspiration to us
all and has helped us improve the quality of construction of our KR's.
But this subject really has nothing to do with Mark. We should still do
the right thing when it comes to compensating Rand Robinson if plans are
to be purchased new.  Re-sale, when someone decides not to build is a
complete different animal and is not inclusive in this discussion. I
will say, and Dana can correct me if I am wrong, Van's charges you for a
registration change of RV plans owners/ builders. Jeanette does not that
I am aware of.

Bottom line is, if you want to build a plane, buy a legal set of plans
or design it yourself. In the end, only you can set the ethics and
integrity level for you. Can you look yourself in the mirror and not be
ashamed at what you see??? 

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
AJO, Ca

KR> KR PLans on CD

[Randy Powell]

If the cost of a set of legitimately purchased plans makes the difference 
between affording an airplane or not,  then I have no business at the 
airport.   Honor and Integrity are more than just words.

Randy Powell
Wachapreague Va.

randywpow...@verizon.net
- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Glover" <kr...@cox.net>
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:11 PM
Subject: RE: KR> KR PLans on CD


> -Original Message-
>
> It is up to RR to get their finger out and stick genuine sets of plans
> on CD and make them available via ebay or any other means.
>
> END OF UNINFORMED PEOPLE AGAIN TALKING ABOUT THINGS THEY HAVE NO
> KNOWLEDGE OF
>
> Jeanette asked that I didn't go in to detail about certain things,
> however, she has done more than some think in this area.  I talked to
> her tonight and she did say she would not sell a CD due to problems with
> pirating, such as what is happening now. Jeanette was in the office most
> of today and took several calls.  One set of plans are even enroute to
> Romania.  The KR certainly has become a popular international design due
> to the economical method of building. She mentioned she was going to
> start spending more time at the office to make sure things are being
> taken care of.
>
> There is no question the evolution of the KR and the momentum of our
> group has been enhanced by the hard work and willingness to R and
> document progress by Mark Langford.  He has been an inspiration to us
> all and has helped us improve the quality of construction of our KR's.
> But this subject really has nothing to do with Mark. We should still do
> the right thing when it comes to compensating Rand Robinson if plans are
> to be purchased new.  Re-sale, when someone decides not to build is a
> complete different animal and is not inclusive in this discussion. I
> will say, and Dana can correct me if I am wrong, Van's charges you for a
> registration change of RV plans owners/ builders. Jeanette does not that
> I am aware of.
>
> Bottom line is, if you want to build a plane, buy a legal set of plans
> or design it yourself. In the end, only you can set the ethics and
> integrity level for you. Can you look yourself in the mirror and not be
> ashamed at what you see???
>
> Steve Glover
> Long-EZ N2121U
> (Former KR-2 N902G)
> AJO, Ca
> <kr...@cox.net>
>
>
>
>
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KR> KR PLans on CD

[Steve Bray]

I called Janet today around 4pm CDT and she answered on the third ring. She 
remembered me, she remembered the man who started my project. She was able 
to answer my question that I asked the net last week on spacers that none of 
you guys could or did answer. She told me how to find out the things she 
couldn't answer. I was talking to Mrs. KR...!
We had a pleasent conversation about her trip to the Gathering and the 
Gathering. She talked to me like a friend and I have only met and talked to 
her one time and that was over a year ago when she gave my wife and I a ride 
to the airport.
Anyone that trys to take anything from this lady shouldn't try it within my 
reach.

Steve Bray
Jackson, Tennessee





>-Original Message-
>
>It is up to RR to get their finger out and stick genuine sets of plans
>on CD and make them available via ebay or any other means.
>
>END OF UNINFORMED PEOPLE AGAIN TALKING ABOUT THINGS THEY HAVE NO
>KNOWLEDGE OF
>
>Jeanette asked that I didn't go in to detail about certain things,
>however, she has done more than some think in this area.  I talked to
>her tonight and she did say she would not sell a CD due to problems with
>pirating, such as what is happening now. Jeanette was in the office most
>of today and took several calls.  One set of plans are even enroute to
>Romania.  The KR certainly has become a popular international design due
>to the economical method of building. She mentioned she was going to
>start spending more time at the office to make sure things are being
>taken care of.
>
>There is no question the evolution of the KR and the momentum of our
>group has been enhanced by the hard work and willingness to R and
>document progress by Mark Langford.  He has been an inspiration to us
>all and has helped us improve the quality of construction of our KR's.
>But this subject really has nothing to do with Mark. We should still do
>the right thing when it comes to compensating Rand Robinson if plans are
>to be purchased new.  Re-sale, when someone decides not to build is a
>complete different animal and is not inclusive in this discussion. I
>will say, and Dana can correct me if I am wrong, Van's charges you for a
>registration change of RV plans owners/ builders. Jeanette does not that
>I am aware of.
>
>Bottom line is, if you want to build a plane, buy a legal set of plans
>or design it yourself. In the end, only you can set the ethics and
>integrity level for you. Can you look yourself in the mirror and not be
>ashamed at what you see???
>
>Steve Glover
>Long-EZ N2121U
>(Former KR-2 N902G)
>AJO, Ca
>
>
>
>
>
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[pe...@heroic.co.uk]

> I called Janet today around 4pm CDT and she answered on the third ring.
> She  remembered me, she remembered the man who started my project. She


I think this supports my point, the very fact that she remembers you sort
of  indicates that as a business, it's too personal, and Janet could make
more money by better exploiting the KR2 brand.

This is so often the case with inventions  - people get anal about giving
away a percentage of the revenue, so they try to do everything themselves
with the result that they do lots of things badly.

I can understand that Janet would feel terrible to lose control of
something which must be the love of her life - unfortunately businesses do
not run well on sentiment.

Again as I said right up front, I don't condone theft.

Pete

KR> plans

[StRaNgEdAyS]

There are no full sized plans available as yet unfortunately however many
builders with access to CAD have had some printed up.
I'm going to get this done myself as soon as I can find an engineering
printer in the area with a plotter that can do the job but mine will be
significantly larger than stock and the dimensions will be a little odd when
compared to the original. 
Oh... note to Phil... I haven't forgotten your request, things have just
been a little busy for us here right now :)
Cheers.
Peter Bancks
Ballina Au.

---Original Message---

From: Randy Powell
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 08/27/06 12:25:33
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> plans

I have ordered the plans and manual for a KR2S this week.   I assume they
will not be full scale plans.  Where can I get a set of full scale plans for
the fuselage to place on the work table and build on top of ?.  Is there
another approach to building a straight boat which is better ?.

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[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

Take the dimensions from the Plans and draw them on your
table, Virg

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:24:40 -0400 "Randy Powell"
 writes:
> I have ordered the plans and manual for a KR2S this week.   I assume 
> they will not be full scale plans.  Where can I get a set of full 
> scale plans for the fuselage to place on the work table and build on 
> top of ?.  Is there another approach to building a straight boat 
> which is better ?.
> 
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KR> Plans & Manual

[Brad Renter]

I figured I would be able to get a quicker response from the group in regards 
to this question instead of trying to contact RR Engineering. 

My question is in regards to the plans and manual for the KR-2S. What's 
included from Rand Robinson when I order them? The size of the plans? How many 
sheets? I know they are older but the general quality of the plans?

Is there a manual of any sorts that comes along with the package? If so is it 
helpful? 

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Brad

KR> Plans & Manual

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

yes,yes,yes. Get the plans. considering what you will spend
building,
it is a small part of the cost, Virg

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:14:58 -0400 "Brad Renter" 
writes:
> I figured I would be able to get a quicker response from the group in 
> regards to this question instead of trying to contact RR 
> Engineering. 
> 
> My question is in regards to the plans and manual for the KR-2S. 
> What's included from Rand Robinson when I order them? The size of 
> the plans? How many sheets? I know they are older but the general 
> quality of the plans?
> 
> Is there a manual of any sorts that comes along with the package? If 
> so is it helpful? 
> 
> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Brad
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KR> Plans & Manual

[Phil Matheson]

Also
What is the cost of the KR2S update ONLY please ?


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KR> Plans & Manual

[Mark Langford]

Phil Matheson wrote:

> What is the cost of the KR2S update ONLY please ?

$75, as mentioned on RR's website at http://www.fly-kr.com/kr2s.htm :

"Builders with a valid KR-2 serial number issued for a prior purchase of
KR-2 plans may purchase the KR-2S Supplement for $75.00. Shipping for
Supplemental Plans only: $5 US, $10 Canada/Mexico, $35 overseas. "

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
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KR> Plans & Manual

[Allen Wiesner]

>My question is in regards to the plans and manual for the KR-2S. What's 
>included from Rand >Robinson when I order them? The size of the plans? How 
>many sheets? I know they are older but >the general quality of the plans?

>Is there a manual of any sorts that comes along with the package? If so is 
>it helpful?

Brad:

To complete Mark's answer;, there are a total of six drawings for the 
MODIFICATIONS for the 2S:
3 ea. 30" x 42" for the fuselage and firewall & 3 ea. 24" x 36"  for the 
spar, wing, and RAF48 airfoil.
Again, these are additions to the standard KR-2 drawings and manual which 
you will also need.  There is NO separate manual for the KR-2S.  If you want 
the new airfoil, get the info./dwg. from the KR Net.

Allen G. Wiesner  KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118
65 Franklin Street
Ansonia, CT  06401-1240

(203) 732-0508

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KR> Plans & Manual

[rent...@beakon.net]

Thanks everyone for the response to my question. Okay so there is a manual that
comes with the KR-2 plans along with the plans itself. How many plans etc and is
the manual useful for building the aircraft? 

I would plan on buying the KR-2S plans complete with the
On Sat Aug 26  0:19 , "Allen Wiesner "  sent:

>>My question is in regards to the plans and manual for the KR-2S. What's 
>>included from Rand >Robinson when I order them? The size of the plans? How 
>>many sheets? I know they are older but >the general quality of the plans?
>
>>Is there a manual of any sorts that comes along with the package? If so is 
>>it helpful?
>
>Brad:
>
>To complete Mark's answer;, there are a total of six drawings for the 
>MODIFICATIONS for the 2S:
>3 ea. 30" x 42" for the fuselage and firewall & 3 ea. 24" x 36"  for the 
>spar, wing, and RAF48 airfoil.
>Again, these are additions to the standard KR-2 drawings and manual which 
>you will also need.  There is NO separate manual for the KR-2S.  If you want 
>the new airfoil, get the info./dwg. from the KR Net.
>
>Allen G. Wiesner  KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118
>65 Franklin Street
>Ansonia, CT  06401-1240
>
>(203) 732-0508
>
>flash...@usadatanet.net
>
>
>
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KR> plans

[Randy Powell]

I have ordered the plans and manual for a KR2S this week.   I assume they will 
not be full scale plans.  Where can I get a set of full scale plans for the 
fuselage to place on the work table and build on top of ?.  Is there another 
approach to building a straight boat which is better ?.

randywpow...@verizon.net

KR> Plans

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

revisit my post on this. asfor the questions,
Yes,Ethics & maybe. Consider that the plans are
a miniscule cost of the project, new plans would MAYBE
be a good investment, Virg

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:38:05 -0600 "Kenhenderson"
 writes:
> Thanks to all who replied to my first post. I have several dumb 
> questions to ask about plans. I have 2 sets, 1 from 1975 with a 
> serial # and 1 from 1984 with no number. It has been advised that I 
> contact Jeanette Rand and have my name transferred to the numbered 
> plans. Do you have to have a set of plans registered to you in order 
> to build a legal, registered airplane? What prevents a person from 
> copying a set of plans and using them for construction? Ethics 
> perhaps? Would a new set of plans have noticeable improvements over 
> the ones I have and would it be advantageous to order said plans? 
> Please answer on or off net to my e-mail address. Still looking for 
> a fixed main gear to replace the retracts. Thanks, Ken
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> 
> 


Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL
www.lubedealer.com/salisbury
Miami ,Fl

Réf. : Re: KR> Plans

[Serge VIDAL]

The most recent issue of the plans I am aware of dates from 1990. There 
are a few differences between these and an older plan I have. In 
particular, the ailerons cables pulley brackets are changed.

Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France






VIRGIL N SALISBURY <virg...@juno.com>

Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
10/08/2006 18:37
Veuillez répondre à KRnet
Remis le : 10/08/2006 18:43


Pour :  kr...@mylist.net
cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
    Objet : Re: KR> Plans



revisit my post on this. asfor the questions,
Yes,Ethics & maybe. Consider that the plans are
a miniscule cost of the project, new plans would MAYBE
be a good investment, Virg

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:38:05 -0600 "Kenhenderson"
<kenhender...@zianet.com> writes:
> Thanks to all who replied to my first post. I have several dumb 
> questions to ask about plans. I have 2 sets, 1 from 1975 with a 
> serial # and 1 from 1984 with no number. It has been advised that I 
> contact Jeanette Rand and have my name transferred to the numbered 
> plans. Do you have to have a set of plans registered to you in order 
> to build a legal, registered airplane? What prevents a person from 
> copying a set of plans and using them for construction? Ethics 
> perhaps? Would a new set of plans have noticeable improvements over 
> the ones I have and would it be advantageous to order said plans? 
> Please answer on or off net to my e-mail address. Still looking for 
> a fixed main gear to replace the retracts. Thanks, Ken
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> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp
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> 
> 


Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL
www.lubedealer.com/salisbury
Miami ,Fl

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KR> Plans

[Ron Freiberger]

What part of "Thou shalt not steal" seems mysterious to you?

Ron Freiberger

mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net


-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Kenhenderson
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:38 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Plans

Thanks to all who replied to my first post. I have several dumb
questions to ask about plans. I have 2 sets, 1 from 1975 with a serial #
and 1 from 1984 with no number. It has been advised that I contact
Jeanette Rand and have my name transferred to the numbered plans. Do you
have to have a set of plans registered to you in order to build a legal,
registered airplane? What prevents a person from copying a set of plans
and using them for construction? Ethics perhaps? Would a new set of
plans have noticeable improvements over the ones I have and would it be
advantageous to order said plans? Please answer on or off net to my
e-mail address. Still looking for a fixed main gear to replace the
retracts. Thanks, Ken
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[Myron (Dan) Freeman]

I don't believe that's what he ment about copying the plans Ron. I took it 
that he wanted a working set in case he got them dirty or messed up during 
construction, he would still have a good clean set. I know, you ought to see 
my plans now.


- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Freiberger" <ronandmar...@earthlink.net>
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Plans


> What part of "Thou shalt not steal" seems mysterious to you?
>
> Ron Freiberger
>
> mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Kenhenderson
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:38 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR> Plans
>
> Thanks to all who replied to my first post. I have several dumb
> questions to ask about plans. I have 2 sets, 1 from 1975 with a serial #
> and 1 from 1984 with no number. It has been advised that I contact
> Jeanette Rand and have my name transferred to the numbered plans. Do you
> have to have a set of plans registered to you in order to build a legal,
> registered airplane? What prevents a person from copying a set of plans
> and using them for construction? Ethics perhaps? Would a new set of
> plans have noticeable improvements over the ones I have and would it be
> advantageous to order said plans? Please answer on or off net to my
> e-mail address. Still looking for a fixed main gear to replace the
> retracts. Thanks, Ken
> ___
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KR> Plans

[Red ya sure]

I am not an expert on copyrights, but there are several in my name, so I do 
have a bit of knowledge...once you buy the blueprints, they are yours!  If you 
choose to give them away, cut them up, or share them, thats OK.   It is 
probably implied, that the blueprints include a license to build one (1) plane. 
 but  AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT PROFIT FROM THEIR EFFORTS...IT'S PROBABLY 
LEGALSorry, but morals and ethics are not taken into  consideration.
RED

Ron Freiberger <ronandmar...@earthlink.net> wrote: What part of "Thou shalt not 
steal" seems mysterious to you?

Ron Freiberger

mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net


-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Kenhenderson
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:38 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Plans

Thanks to all who replied to my first post. I have several dumb
questions to ask about plans. I have 2 sets, 1 from 1975 with a serial #
and 1 from 1984 with no number. It has been advised that I contact
Jeanette Rand and have my name transferred to the numbered plans. Do you
have to have a set of plans registered to you in order to build a legal,
registered airplane? What prevents a person from copying a set of plans
and using them for construction? Ethics perhaps? Would a new set of
plans have noticeable improvements over the ones I have and would it be
advantageous to order said plans? Please answer on or off net to my
e-mail address. Still looking for a fixed main gear to replace the
retracts. Thanks, Ken
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KR> Plans

[Bob]

What part of "Thou shalt not steal" seems mysterious to you?

Ron Freiberger
-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Kenhenderson
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:38 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Plans

Thanks to all who replied to my first post. I have several dumb
questions to ask about plans. I have 2 sets, 1 from 1975 with a serial #
and 1 from 1984 with no number. It has been advised that I contact
Jeanette Rand and have my name transferred to the numbered plans. Do you
have to have a set of plans registered to you in order to build a legal,
registered airplane? What prevents a person from copying a set of plans
and using them for construction? Ethics perhaps? Would a new set of
plans have noticeable improvements over the ones 


Ron
Mark Langford is right on when he posted that this forum should be about 
helping others in building their KRs I am talking about the above post about 
plans this gentleman is asking questions about this subject because he wants to 
do the right thing so he can build his kr and not have any problems with the 
paperwork when it comes time for the inspector. I don't understand the reason 
for your reply to his post.if you have and opinion like that you should have 
emailed him and talked to him and helped him out.  this forum has people from 
all walks of life ,some builders some pilots some computer experts but we all 
have the  same thing in common, building krs if you would like to talk to 
further email me at harley...@earthlink.net
thanks Bob

KR> Plans

[D F Lively]

Ron & others:

I purchased my first set of plans in '76 or '77 from Ken Rand personally when I 
lived in Irvine CA.  I later exchanged these plans in to pick up revisions in 
'80 or '81withe him personally for a  fee.  Subsequently I lost my reciept and 
since my plans were purchased before numbers were recorded I felt I might have 
the problem with documentation as is being discussed here. I contacted Ms. Rand 
to try and resolve the matter and she retuned my call and we
discussed the problem thoroughly and she said she would get back to me and she 
never did.

I do not know what the problem is other than perhaps Ken to begin with was 
keeping pretty loose records and so after his death the records were messed up. 
 I know I had a reciept and it must have been lost through one of my multiple 
moves so what is one to do in such a case.  I realize that this could look like 
a fraud on its surface but it is not.

This is somewhat of a mute issue as I took over a project that has a plans 
number so I feel that I am legal however I have attemted to contact Ms. Rand to 
notify her of my aquisition of the project complete with the plans and she has 
yet to respond.  that was done in March or early April of this year.  Again 
what is one to do. I have two legitimate sets of plansthe way I see it but I 
also think an argument can be made that I do not.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601
  

Red ya sure wrote:

> I am not an expert on copyrights, but there are several in my name, so I do 
> have a bit of knowledge...once you buy the blueprints, they are yours!  If 
> you choose to give them away, cut them up, or share them, thats OK.   It is 
> probably implied, that the blueprints include a license to build one (1) 
> plane.  but  AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT PROFIT FROM THEIR EFFORTS...IT'S 
> PROBABLY LEGALSorry, but morals and ethics are not taken into  
> consideration.
> RED
>
> Ron Freiberger <ronandmar...@earthlink.net> wrote: What part of "Thou shalt 
> not steal" seems mysterious to you?
>
> Ron Freiberger
>
> mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Kenhenderson
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:38 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR> Plans
>
> Thanks to all who replied to my first post. I have several dumb
> questions to ask about plans. I have 2 sets, 1 from 1975 with a serial #
> and 1 from 1984 with no number. It has been advised that I contact
> Jeanette Rand and have my name transferred to the numbered plans. Do you
> have to have a set of plans registered to you in order to build a legal,
> registered airplane? What prevents a person from copying a set of plans
> and using them for construction? Ethics perhaps? Would a new set of
> plans have noticeable improvements over the ones I have and would it be
> advantageous to order said plans? Please answer on or off net to my
> e-mail address. Still looking for a fixed main gear to replace the
> retracts. Thanks, Ken
> ___
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> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net
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>
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>
>  RED
>
>
> -
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>  Everyone is raving about the  all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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[Mark Jones]

- Original Message - 
From: "D F Lively" 
To: "KRnet" 
> "I later exchanged these plans in to pick up revisions in '80 or '81withe 
> him personally for a  fee.  Subsequently I lost my reciept "

Are you sure about those years? Where did you  go to personally pick up 
those revisions from Ken. Ken was in Heaven then, tells us what it's like up 
there.


Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com

KR> Plans

[Mark Langford]

Kenhenderson wrote:

>Do you have to have a set of plans registered to you in order to build a
legal, registered airplane?

I don't think this was really answered yet.  No, you don't.  In the US you
can build whatever you want and call it whatever you want.  The FAA doesn't
care if you even had a set of plans to go by.  In fact, if you deviate too
far from the plans, RR would probably prefer you call it something else.
You could build it from whatever plans you want and still call it a "Ken
Henderson Special" and assign it a serial number of 001, or whatever.

Ethics is another matter, but if you paid somebody for the plans,  you now
own them, and if you want to have the registration transfered with RR,
she'll do that for you...eventually...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
--

KR> Plans

[D F Lively]

Mark:

They came complete with the project I took over and they are a numbered set and
are additional to the set that I purchased from Ken Rand.

I phoned RR to notify her for her records on the project I took over and she
has yet to respond.

Don Lively.
Burlington IA 52601
  

Mark Langford wrote:

> Kenhenderson wrote:
>
> >Do you have to have a set of plans registered to you in order to build a
> legal, registered airplane?
>
> I don't think this was really answered yet.  No, you don't.  In the US you
> can build whatever you want and call it whatever you want.  The FAA doesn't
> care if you even had a set of plans to go by.  In fact, if you deviate too
> far from the plans, RR would probably prefer you call it something else.
> You could build it from whatever plans you want and still call it a "Ken
> Henderson Special" and assign it a serial number of 001, or whatever.
>
> Ethics is another matter, but if you paid somebody for the plans,  you now
> own them, and if you want to have the registration transfered with RR,
> she'll do that for you...eventually...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> --
>
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KR> Plans

[Mark Jones]

Oh, that is not the way you stated it to the Net.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: "D F Lively" <riksh...@interl.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Plans


> Mark:
>
> They came complete with the project I took over and they are a numbered 
> set and
> are additional to the set that I purchased from Ken Rand.
>
> I phoned RR to notify her for her records on the project I took over and 
> she
> has yet to respond.
>
> Don Lively.
> Burlington IA 52601
>  
>
> Mark Langford wrote:
>
>> Kenhenderson wrote:
>>
>> >Do you have to have a set of plans registered to you in order to build a
>> legal, registered airplane?
>>
>> I don't think this was really answered yet.  No, you don't.  In the US 
>> you
>> can build whatever you want and call it whatever you want.  The FAA 
>> doesn't
>> care if you even had a set of plans to go by.  In fact, if you deviate 
>> too
>> far from the plans, RR would probably prefer you call it something else.
>> You could build it from whatever plans you want and still call it a "Ken
>> Henderson Special" and assign it a serial number of 001, or whatever.
>>
>> Ethics is another matter, but if you paid somebody for the plans,  you 
>> now
>> own them, and if you want to have the registration transfered with RR,
>> she'll do that for you...eventually...
>>
>> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
>> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
>> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
>> --
>>
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[Brian Kraut]

I know that my DAR couldn't care less about where plans came from or if they
are legal.  A lot of people use the plans serial number for the aircraft
serial number, but you can use any serial number you want and the FAA does
not care what it is.  I have owned several experimentals where the serial
number of the plane was not the same as the plans number.  I have also owned
plans for other designs that are sold without a serial number.  The Pitts is
one of them.  There are no serial numbered plans and you can buy them from
several sources.

Even though you can use any set of bought, borrowed, or stolen plans to
build a plane and the FAA does not care, I do recommend that we all do what
we know is right.  I have sold one set of KR plans that I bought and never
built a plane from.  I have two other sets of plans that go with two KR
projects I have.  I would not sell those unless I was selling the project
with it.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of D F Lively
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:09 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Plans


Ron & others:

I purchased my first set of plans in '76 or '77 from Ken Rand personally
when I lived in Irvine CA.  I later exchanged these plans in to pick up
revisions in '80 or '81withe him personally for a  fee.  Subsequently I lost
my reciept and since my plans were purchased before numbers were recorded I
felt I might have the problem with documentation as is being discussed here.
I contacted Ms. Rand to try and resolve the matter and she retuned my call
and we
discussed the problem thoroughly and she said she would get back to me and
she never did.

I do not know what the problem is other than perhaps Ken to begin with was
keeping pretty loose records and so after his death the records were messed
up.  I know I had a reciept and it must have been lost through one of my
multiple moves so what is one to do in such a case.  I realize that this
could look like a fraud on its surface but it is not.

This is somewhat of a mute issue as I took over a project that has a plans
number so I feel that I am legal however I have attemted to contact Ms. Rand
to notify her of my aquisition of the project complete with the plans and
she has yet to respond.  that was done in March or early April of this year.
Again what is one to do. I have two legitimate sets of plansthe way I see it
but I also think an argument can be made that I do not.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601
  

Red ya sure wrote:

> I am not an expert on copyrights, but there are several in my name, so I
do have a bit of knowledge...once you buy the blueprints, they are yours!
If you choose to give them away, cut them up, or share them, thats OK.   It
is probably implied, that the blueprints include a license to build one (1)
plane.  but  AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT PROFIT FROM THEIR EFFORTS...IT'S
PROBABLY LEGALSorry, but morals and ethics are not taken into
consideration.
> RED
>
> Ron Freiberger <ronandmar...@earthlink.net> wrote: What part of "Thou
shalt not steal" seems mysterious to you?
>
> Ron Freiberger
>
> mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Kenhenderson
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:38 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR> Plans
>
> Thanks to all who replied to my first post. I have several dumb
> questions to ask about plans. I have 2 sets, 1 from 1975 with a serial #
> and 1 from 1984 with no number. It has been advised that I contact
> Jeanette Rand and have my name transferred to the numbered plans. Do you
> have to have a set of plans registered to you in order to build a legal,
> registered airplane? What prevents a person from copying a set of plans
> and using them for construction? Ethics perhaps? Would a new set of
> plans have noticeable improvements over the ones I have and would it be
> advantageous to order said plans? Please answer on or off net to my
> e-mail address. Still looking for a fixed main gear to replace the
> retracts. Thanks, Ken
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>
>  RED
>
>
> -
&

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[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

Fax her the info & include a return phone #. Ken
told me that the receipt # was the plans # for registering
w/ RR, Virg

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:09:08 -0500 D F Lively <riksh...@interl.net>
writes:
> Ron & others:
> 
> I purchased my first set of plans in '76 or '77 from Ken Rand 
> personally when I lived in Irvine CA.  I later exchanged these plans 
> in to pick up revisions in '80 or '81withe him personally for a  
> fee.  Subsequently I lost my reciept and since my plans were 
> purchased before numbers were recorded I felt I might have the 
> problem with documentation as is being discussed here. I contacted 
> Ms. Rand to try and resolve the matter and she retuned my call and 
> we
> discussed the problem thoroughly and she said she would get back to 
> me and she never did.
> 
> I do not know what the problem is other than perhaps Ken to begin 
> with was keeping pretty loose records and so after his death the 
> records were messed up.  I know I had a reciept and it must have 
> been lost through one of my multiple moves so what is one to do in 
> such a case.  I realize that this could look like a fraud on its 
> surface but it is not.
> 
> This is somewhat of a mute issue as I took over a project that has a 
> plans number so I feel that I am legal however I have attemted to 
> contact Ms. Rand to notify her of my aquisition of the project 
> complete with the plans and she has yet to respond.  that was done 
> in March or early April of this year.  Again what is one to do. I 
> have two legitimate sets of plansthe way I see it but I also think 
> an argument can be made that I do not.
> 
> Don Lively
> Burlington IA 52601
>   
>

> 
> Red ya sure wrote:
> 
> > I am not an expert on copyrights, but there are several in my 
> name, so I do have a bit of knowledge...once you buy the blueprints, 
> they are yours!  If you choose to give them away, cut them up, or 
> share them, thats OK.   It is probably implied, that the blueprints 
> include a license to build one (1) plane.  but  AS LONG AS 
> YOU DO NOT PROFIT FROM THEIR EFFORTS...IT'S PROBABLY LEGALSorry, 
> but morals and ethics are not taken into  consideration.
> > RED
> >
> > Ron Freiberger <ronandmar...@earthlink.net> wrote: What part of 
> "Thou shalt not steal" seems mysterious to you?
> >
> > Ron Freiberger
> >
> > mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net
> > [mailto:krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net] On 
> Behalf
> > Of Kenhenderson
> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:38 AM
> > To: KRnet
> > Subject: KR> Plans
> >
> > Thanks to all who replied to my first post. I have several dumb
> > questions to ask about plans. I have 2 sets, 1 from 1975 with a 
> serial #
> > and 1 from 1984 with no number. It has been advised that I 
> contact
> > Jeanette Rand and have my name transferred to the numbered plans. 
> Do you
> > have to have a set of plans registered to you in order to build a 
> legal,
> > registered airplane? What prevents a person from copying a set of 
> plans
> > and using them for construction? Ethics perhaps? Would a new set 
> of
> > plans have noticeable improvements over the ones I have and would 
> it be
> > advantageous to order said plans? Please answer on or off net to 
> my
> > e-mail address. Still looking for a fixed main gear to replace 
> the
> > retracts. Thanks, Ken
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> >
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> >
> >  RED
> >
> >
> > -
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> >  Everyone is raving about the  all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
> > ___
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> 
> 


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www.lubedealer.com/salisbury
Miami ,Fl

KR> Plans

[Kenhenderson]

Thanks to all who replied to my first post. I have several dumb questions to 
ask about plans. I have 2 sets, 1 from 1975 with a serial # and 1 from 1984 
with no number. It has been advised that I contact Jeanette Rand and have my 
name transferred to the numbered plans. Do you have to have a set of plans 
registered to you in order to build a legal, registered airplane? What prevents 
a person from copying a set of plans and using them for construction? Ethics 
perhaps? Would a new set of plans have noticeable improvements over the ones I 
have and would it be advantageous to order said plans? Please answer on or off 
net to my e-mail address. Still looking for a fixed main gear to replace the 
retracts. Thanks, Ken

KR> plans

[Bob]

Good evening to all
  I am a new member to to krnet group and I have looked at everyones completed 
airplanes and everyones work in progress airplanes this is a great webpage 
maybe someone can help me I am looking  for a set of plans and all of the info 
to build a KR-2S if anyone has a set could you email me at 
harley...@earthlink.net
thanks Bob

KR> plans

[StRaNgEdAyS]

 Bob, 
Welcome to the list!
You could go to the RR site http://www.fly-kr.com and order a set, they are
not expensive in the big scheme of things.
The other thing you could do is trawl e-bay and barnstormers regularly
(aviation trader and various other flight magazines wouldn't hurt either)
for partially completed kits, always a popular choice for those wishing to 
jump start" their projects. 
As for the rest of the info there is a whole bunch of it here , in the
archives and on the members websites to fill in any blanks.
Cheers.
Pete.
---Original Message---

From: Bob
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/28/06 13:02:25
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> plans

Good evening to all
  I am a new member to to krnet group and I have looked at everyones
completed airplanes and everyones work in progress airplanes this is a great
webpage maybe someone can help me I am looking  for a set of plans and all
of the info to build a KR-2S if anyone has a set could you email me at
harley...@earthlink.net
thanks Bob

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KR> plans

[Kevin Angus]

DO NOT purchase a "partially completed kit" unless you know what you are
doing! I purchased a KR1 and KR2 "partially completed kit"; KR1 was glued
together with some kind of glue that turned yellow, by shaking the boat all
the parts fell out leaving the wood panels with surface rust. KR2; spars
were not set correctly, one wing ended up three inches lower then the other
and at an angle, controls were frozen, overall construction was very poor.
The person I picked the KR2 up from removed everything that was worth
anything knowing that I would load at night and not unload the plane until I
was 1200 miles away. 

Lesson learned, trust everyone but verify what you think you are paying for
is what you are getting.

Buy the plans from RR, I have all the plans including the KR1-B plans and 6
Corvair engines.


-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of StRaNgEdAyS
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:21 PM
To: Bob; KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> plans

 Bob, 
Welcome to the list!
You could go to the RR site http://www.fly-kr.com and order a set, they are
not expensive in the big scheme of things.
The other thing you could do is trawl e-bay and barnstormers regularly
(aviation trader and various other flight magazines wouldn't hurt either)
for partially completed kits, always a popular choice for those wishing to 
jump start" their projects. 
As for the rest of the info there is a whole bunch of it here , in the
archives and on the members websites to fill in any blanks.
Cheers.
Pete.
---Original Message---

From: Bob
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/28/06 13:02:25
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> plans

Good evening to all
  I am a new member to to krnet group and I have looked at everyones
completed airplanes and everyones work in progress airplanes this is a great
webpage maybe someone can help me I am looking  for a set of plans and all
of the info to build a KR-2S if anyone has a set could you email me at
harley...@earthlink.net
thanks Bob

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KR> buying KR plans

[Frank Ross]

Bob,
I have to think that you and Mark Langford are right
about the price, but cannot understand why she would
not take the money and retire. She'd still have her KR
friends all over the world and the time she needs to
enjoy her family and life.
I do think she cares enough about the plane to want to
keep it in business, even if she's not running the
company.
Hope you're having some great flying weather in Harker
Heights. We had a beautiful day here in East Anglia
and tomorrow just promises to be even better. 
Frank

--- "Robert L. Stone"  wrote:

> Frank,
>  I heard that Mark Langford by himself or with
> some other people tried 
> to purchase the business from Mrs Rand and the price
> was so high that it was 
> obvious, she does not want to sell.
> 
> Bob Stone

Frank Ross, 
EAA Chapter 35,
San Geronimo, TX
RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK
Visit my photo album at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2

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KR> buying KR plans

[Kenneth Wiltrout]

Don't forgetalong with the plans comes a construction manua.l



- Original Message - 
From: "Frank Ross" <alamo...@yahoo.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: KR> buying KR plans


> Bob,
> I have to think that you and Mark Langford are right
> about the price, but cannot understand why she would
> not take the money and retire. She'd still have her KR
> friends all over the world and the time she needs to
> enjoy her family and life.
> I do think she cares enough about the plane to want to
> keep it in business, even if she's not running the
> company.
> Hope you're having some great flying weather in Harker
> Heights. We had a beautiful day here in East Anglia
> and tomorrow just promises to be even better. 
> Frank
> 
> --- "Robert L. Stone" <rsto...@hot.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> Frank,
>>  I heard that Mark Langford by himself or with
>> some other people tried 
>> to purchase the business from Mrs Rand and the price
>> was so high that it was 
>> obvious, she does not want to sell.
>> 
>> Bob Stone
> 
> Frank Ross, 
> EAA Chapter 35,
> San Geronimo, TX
> RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK
> Visit my photo album at:
> http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2
> 
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KR> plans

[Phil Matheson]

What do you call a legal set of plans

Every builder changes the plans to suit him self, Does the LAW say that only
one plane can be built from one plan. I have registered my KR in Australia
VHPKR and used the plans number as the serial number of my KR. But I could
have made up any number I wanted. so the plans number SEEMS to mean nothing
?

What happen in the US ???


Phillip Matheson
VHPKR
Australia.
mathes...@dodo.com.au
NEW WEB PAGE
phils...@50megs.com

http://www.vw-engines.com/
OLD WEB PAGE
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html

Re: Réf. : RE: KR> buying KR plans

[Phil Matheson]

Has anyone offered to sell the plans on her behalf via the KRnet. all money
to Janet, but the service would be better ??

Phillip Matheson
VHPKR
Australia.
mathes...@dodo.com.au
NEW WEB PAGE
phils...@50megs.com

http://www.vw-engines.com/
OLD WEB PAGE
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html

KR> plans

[Phil Matheson]

Hi john
Long time no see.
I agree with you. It does feel  better to use the plan correctly.
I did send my details to Janet when I purchased my KR, she did reply and
sent me her latest price lists etc.and other helpful info about the KR and
parts available.
I will send her a Photo when I get it finished, just to be polite.


Phillip Matheson
VH-PKR
Australia.
mathes...@dodo.com.au
NEW WEB PAGE
phils...@50megs.com

http://www.vw-engines.com/
OLD WEB PAGE
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html

KR> plans

[feg...@sbcglobal.net]

Larry,

   Thanks, I wasn't aware that you did not have to have
the original matching plans and serial nos to register
tha aircraft. You have cleared this matter as far as I am
concerned.

Joe

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Flesner" <fles...@verizon.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: KR> plans


> At 11:21 AM 1/21/2006, you wrote:
>>After reading all the plans emails, the overall message
>>seems to be.
>>If you purchase a project:
>>1/  Attempt to transfer the serial no. to your name.
>>2/  If no 1 fails then purchase a original set of plans
>>with serial no from RR.
> +
>
> Or if option #1 and #2 fail, option #3 is to go ahead and build the dang 
> thing.
>
> In the U.S., the fed's don't care who or how much you paid someone
> for the plans, if they are registered or not, how many aircraft were
> built from them, etc. and the insurance company could give a hoot
> either.  If you are planning to use a "non-aircraft" engine most
> insurance companies won't talk to you anyway.  You will most likely
> register the aircraft with your name and pick any number you like.
> I registered my as a "Larry Flesner" built and used the serial number
> of the plans for the A.C. serial number but I could have used my
> social security number or just the number 1 if I wanted.  Mine is
> registered as a "KR 2 Modified".  I wanted to make the changes I made
> obvious in case something ever happened the entire KR design would
> not be questioned.
>
> Do you best to comply so your conscience is clear and move on with life.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
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KR> plans

[Kenneth Wiltrout]

Guys I said this before and I think it needs to be re-stated. Unless you are 
some sort of aeronautical engineer the average joe will still need a 
construction manual that out lines construction techniques etc. There are 
actually people that think you can go to Home Depot and get everything you 
need there. Does the name Justin ring a bell.




- Original Message - 
From: <feg...@sbcglobal.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: KR> plans


> Larry,
>
>   Thanks, I wasn't aware that you did not have to have
> the original matching plans and serial nos to register
> tha aircraft. You have cleared this matter as far as I am
> concerned.
>
> Joe
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Larry Flesner" <fles...@verizon.net>
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: KR> plans
>
>
>> At 11:21 AM 1/21/2006, you wrote:
>>>After reading all the plans emails, the overall message
>>>seems to be.
>>>If you purchase a project:
>>>1/  Attempt to transfer the serial no. to your name.
>>>2/  If no 1 fails then purchase a original set of plans
>>>with serial no from RR.
>> +
>>
>> Or if option #1 and #2 fail, option #3 is to go ahead and build the dang
>> thing.
>>
>> In the U.S., the fed's don't care who or how much you paid someone
>> for the plans, if they are registered or not, how many aircraft were
>> built from them, etc. and the insurance company could give a hoot
>> either.  If you are planning to use a "non-aircraft" engine most
>> insurance companies won't talk to you anyway.  You will most likely
>> register the aircraft with your name and pick any number you like.
>> I registered my as a "Larry Flesner" built and used the serial number
>> of the plans for the A.C. serial number but I could have used my
>> social security number or just the number 1 if I wanted.  Mine is
>> registered as a "KR 2 Modified".  I wanted to make the changes I made
>> obvious in case something ever happened the entire KR design would
>> not be questioned.
>>
>> Do you best to comply so your conscience is clear and move on with life.
>>
>> Larry Flesner
>>
>>
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>
>
>
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KR> plans

[Larry Flesner]

>Larry,
>Thanks, I wasn't aware that you did not have to have
>the original matching plans and serial nos to register
>tha aircraft. You have cleared this matter as far as I am
>concerned.
>Joe
++

My inspecting DAR asked questions and looked at my photo records
to insure that I was the actual builder of the aircraft so I could apply
for the mechanics license but never looked at or asked about
the plans.  He knew I had made a number of changes from the plans
and we discussed them but that's as far as it went.  His only comment
was "that's the best looking KR I've ever inspected" and he said he
wouldn't be afraid to fly it.  Good thing the buttons on my shirt were
double stitched and I had a hat with a stretch band. :-) The only real
problem I've had in the 190 hours since first flight two years ago was
the leak in the left fuel tank the first time I filled them.

Larry Flesner

KR> Re: KR Plans - copyright

[Brian Kraut]

Hey, that's an option.  Buy Virg's boat with the plans and I think you will
have KR serial number 4.

Personally, I have three sets of plans.  I will not sell any of them because
two of them were used to build complete planes that I have had and one was
used for a half built 2S that I have.  They will stay with the planes they
were assigned to.  I have sold one set of plans I bought over 15 years ago
that I never built a plane from and one set that went with a partial plane I
sold.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of Frank Ross
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:05 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Re: KR Plans - copyright


--- VIRGIL N SALISBURY <virg...@juno.com> wrote:

> Copyrights last a looonngg time, Virg

Virg got his set of KR plans before there was a
copyright office...
Frank

Frank Ross,
EAA Chapter 35,
San Geronimo, TX
RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK
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KR> plans

[Quique Alvarez]

Hello
Hi Guys,  Are there  any complete  plans of the Kr2-S on "sail"?

Gracias

Kique Alvarez
España
www.aeropasion.com

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KR> buying KR plans

[Oscar Zuniga]

Kique asks-

>Hi Guys,  Are there  any complete  plans of the Kr2-S on "sail"?

To which Kenny added,

>Don't u need to buy a set so u get a serial # from Rand Robinson

I bought a set of plans many years ago from a guy who didn't think he'd ever 
build a KR.  I sent in the registration page along with my personal 
information, and paid the extra cost for the -2S supplement to "upgrade" my 
set.  Rand Robinson sent me a new registration page with my name and info on 
it and the set became mine.

I recently sold my set of plans and supplement to Cris. from Rome, Italy.  I 
called Rand Robinson and was told that a registered set of plans can be 
transferred to a new owner and that they have a form for doing that.  Poor 
Cris- although he now owns a complete set of KR2 plans with -2S supplement, 
he still has not been able to get that registration transfer form from Mrs. 
Rand despite months and months of trying via fax, mail, and phone.  I've 
tried calling several more times myself, but no joy.  The bottom line is 
that they can be sold and registration transferred as long as more than one 
KR is not built from one set of plans, but good luck getting in touch with 
them to have it done.  Maybe certified mail?  Courier?  FedEx?

Kique- hola y bienvenido a un grupo de "avia-locos"!

Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildr...@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net