Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience

2013-01-23 Thread Scott Kitterman 
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 08:14:48 PM Rohan Garg wrote:
> Please not that we cannot ship some multimedia things like libav due
> to patent issues as a result of which apps like vlc cannot be shipped
> ( and by extension, same thing goes for chromium though I am not
> entirely sure about that, maybe someone can offer a better explanation
> of why we can't ship chromium as the default ).

There is only one browser in the archive with adequate security support and 
that's Firefox.  The lack of piles of qtwebkit/reqkonq security uploads 
doesn't mean they are an order of magnitude better about security than 
Firefox, just that we don't know what the issues are.  Chromium gets some 
maintenance, but it's not a reliably updated as Firefox.  Given the volume and 
scope of web browser security issues, I think it's crazy to be using anything 
else.

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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time

2013-01-23 Thread Scott Kitterman 
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:37:24 PM Rafael Belmonte wrote:
> Firefox KDE integration is supposed to work again with packages from
> blue-shell team, those packages may be included in the Ubuntu Archive
> (section universe).
> I know firefox needs to be patched, and if official firefox maintainer does
> not want to patch firefox, we could make a fork of Firefox called
> "firefox-kde" or something.

Not and be consistent with the Mozilla corp trademark policy for Firefox.  
We'd probably have to rename it.  Also, keeping Firefox up to date in all 
releases is a major job.  Doing it for Firefox is a full time job for someone 
at Canonical.  There is no way we have the resources to do the same for a 
second copy of the package.


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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Kubuntu Turkey

2013-01-23 Thread Rick Timmis 
Hello Volkan

Now, I may be talking out of step here, because I,m new to.

But I see that the French language team just use the Kubuntu wiki

https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FrenchTeam

Take a look and create an account maybe, you can setup a similar page for the 
Turkish users base, thus avoiding any domain stuff.

Regards and Best Wishes

Rick Timmis



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On 23 Jan 2013, at 19:37, Volkan Gezer  wrote:

> 2013/1/23 Jonathan Riddell 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 01:27:48AM +0100, Volkan Gezer wrote:
>>>   Today I started Kubuntu Turkey on Google+ as a Page and a Community.
>>>   Also started creating a blog for usage and tospread the
>>>   word:A kubunturkiye.blogspot.com
>>>   Is it possible to add a Turkish mailing list for Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
>>>   Volkan GEZER
>> 
>> Great, if you send me the link I can add it to 
>> http://www.kubuntu.org/community
>> 
>> If you think there will be enough Kubuntu people to keep a separate
>> mailing list going then discuss it with the Ubuntu Turkey loco and ask
>> the ubuntu sysadmins to create one.  Let me know if you have any
>> problems.
>> 
>> Jonathan
> 
> Currently I do not have a .org or .com domain, if you want I can
> provide the Google+ Links and write a description about Turkey
> comunity. Currently I am trying to learn how many users approx. using
> Kubuntu from Turkish Ubuntu Community.
> 
> Do you know if domain names for communities are supported by Kubuntu
> or they are bought by volunteers?
> 
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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time

2013-01-23 Thread Rick Timmis 
Hello all

My 2p

I feel that staying closer to upstream KDE has several advantages, simplicity 
and uniformity being the two I most favour.

The ISO image size is important and that places restrictions on what we can and 
can't include, as a general rule of principle I think we owe it to the upstream 
KDE to try to use as many of their default packages as possible, as this drives 
development and testing and maintains momentum in the project overall.

I do NOT agree that changing theme colours and Wallpaers throughout the Boot, 
Login, and Desktop experience is a good idea, and I don't believe that this 
make a good design principle.

KIS -> Keep it simple

I think we could utilise the Kubuntu.org website to support the user experience 
 more so than we do now, in particular with features such as Plasmoids, 
Activities, Multiple desktop, and perhaps KDE configuration.

For my part, I'm happy to keep testing this stuff, I'm still finding my feet 
with the project, and I've been out of the loop due to family and Xmas, but as 
of next week I'll be back testing, and on IRC.

I'm happy to work on some Video Tutorials on stuff for the website to help 
support the user experience of the distro too..

Let me know, your thoughts on the above.

Regards and Best Wishes

Rick Timmis



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On 23 Jan 2013, at 22:37, Rafael Belmonte  wrote:

> Firefox KDE integration is supposed to work again with packages from 
> blue-shell team, those packages may be included in the Ubuntu Archive 
> (section universe).
> I know firefox needs to be patched, and if official firefox maintainer does 
> not want to patch firefox, we could make a fork of Firefox called 
> "firefox-kde" or something.
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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time

2013-01-23 Thread Rafael Belmonte 
Firefox KDE integration is supposed to work again with packages from
blue-shell team, those packages may be included in the Ubuntu Archive
(section universe).
I know firefox needs to be patched, and if official firefox maintainer does
not want to patch firefox, we could make a fork of Firefox called
"firefox-kde" or something.
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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time

2013-01-23 Thread Loïc Grobol 
On 23 January 2013 21:36, Volkan Gezer  wrote:
> Lastly, I really want Windows button on keyboards to work. Isn't it
> possible to attach this button to open KMenu?

Leave my compose key alone, will you?

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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time

2013-01-23 Thread Volkan Gezer 
>
> But Firefox has no KDE integration and Chromium isn't supported for
> the length of our supported releases.  And since they are not KDE apps
> they require a whole load of extra dependencies.
>

Even we install the Firefox, after downloads, double clicking on a
downloaded file on Downloads window asks for an app to choose the file
to be opened.

---

Also maybe an animation like welcome screen can be shown. This does
not need to explain everything, even showing just some links are also
OK. For example:

- Read Kubuntu Documentation,
- How to find your way in desktop
- How to install software
- How to get help
- Kubuntu Wiki

Lastly, I really want Windows button on keyboards to work. Isn't it
possible to attach this button to open KMenu?

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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Kubuntu Turkey

2013-01-23 Thread Volkan Gezer 
2013/1/23 Jonathan Riddell 
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 01:27:48AM +0100, Volkan Gezer wrote:
> >Today I started Kubuntu Turkey on Google+ as a Page and a Community.
> >Also started creating a blog for usage and tospread the
> >word:A kubunturkiye.blogspot.com
> >Is it possible to add a Turkish mailing list for Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
> >Volkan GEZER
>
> Great, if you send me the link I can add it to 
> http://www.kubuntu.org/community
>
> If you think there will be enough Kubuntu people to keep a separate
> mailing list going then discuss it with the Ubuntu Turkey loco and ask
> the ubuntu sysadmins to create one.  Let me know if you have any
> problems.
>
> Jonathan

Currently I do not have a .org or .com domain, if you want I can
provide the Google+ Links and write a description about Turkey
comunity. Currently I am trying to learn how many users approx. using
Kubuntu from Turkish Ubuntu Community.

Do you know if domain names for communities are supported by Kubuntu
or they are bought by volunteers?

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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time

2013-01-23 Thread Tomasz Dudzik 
This looks nice indeed. Will give it a try.
23 sty 2013 19:00, "Alex Leach"  napisał(a):

> On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:53:36 -, Jonathan Riddell 
> wrote:
>
>
>>   Dragon Player
>>>
>>
>> Dragon Player nicely integrates with KDE.  vlc has a really cluttered UI
>> for most users.
>>
>
> Has anyone seen the Qt5 media player?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=Ew114XH7-xc&feature=player_**embedded
>
> That looks like it'd make a sweet default video player!
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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time

2013-01-23 Thread Alex Leach 
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:53:36 -, Jonathan Riddell   
wrote:





 Dragon Player


Dragon Player nicely integrates with KDE.  vlc has a really cluttered UI  
for most users.


Has anyone seen the Qt5 media player?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew114XH7-xc&feature=player_embedded

That looks like it'd make a sweet default video player!

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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Kubuntu Turkey

2013-01-23 Thread Jonathan Riddell 
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 01:27:48AM +0100, Volkan Gezer wrote:
>Today I started Kubuntu Turkey on Google+ as a Page and a Community.
>Also started creating a blog for usage and tospread the
>word:A kubunturkiye.blogspot.com
>Is it possible to add a Turkish mailing list for Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
>Volkan GEZER

Great, if you send me the link I can add it to http://www.kubuntu.org/community

If you think there will be enough Kubuntu people to keep a separate
mailing list going then discuss it with the Ubuntu Turkey loco and ask
the ubuntu sysadmins to create one.  Let me know if you have any
problems.

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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time

2013-01-23 Thread Tomasz Dudzik 
I'm glad to hear that someone's working on the other stuff i mention.
Lightdm please leave in my hands. I have an idea for the installer too.
Please stay tuned.

2013/1/23 Tomasz Dudzik 

> Jonathan, please look at what i said. We don't need to add new features,
> that are not KDE's default, etc. We need to improve the
> *first exeprience:*
> *
> *
> *-don't use KDE's default wallpaper every where (login, plymouth,
> installer, desktop), use wallpaper as a wallpaper and create a *
> *nice background for plymouth, another one for lightdm and splash. This
> gives a cooler look&feel. People like this.*
>
> 2013/1/23 Jonathan Riddell 
>
>> Thanks for your suggestions.  Our general philosphies with default
>> settings is:
>> -working by default, no first run configuration dialogues
>> -go with upstream's settings unless there's a very good reason
>> -keep it simple, don't clutter with too many features
>> -KDE first
>>
>> >Even much better of course would be to gives, if possible, a choice
>> during
>> >the installation process to set the Environment in few different ways
>>
>> first run configuration dialogues are nasty, how would the user know what
>> to choose?
>>
>> >  Rekonq, is not ready yet and I cannot see any good reason to use a
>> "not
>> >  ready yet software" as a default application, especially because
>> we are
>> >  talking about the Default Tool to Access the Web, which is a 90%
>> daily
>> >  use of computer for most of the people out there.
>>
>> It's a controvertial choice for sure, it fits in with my general KDE
>> idealism but it has been disappointing in how buggy it can be.
>>
>> But Firefox has no KDE integration and Chromium isn't supported for
>> the length of our supported releases.  And since they are not KDE apps
>> they require a whole load of extra dependencies.
>>
>> >  Dragon Player
>>
>> Dragon Player nicely integrates with KDE.  vlc has a really cluttered UI
>> for most users.
>>
>> >like Kruler, KcolorChooser, KCharSelect
>> >  and so on.
>>
>> Our images are currently full up for our (arbitrary) 1GB size limit, so
>> any new addition means removing something such as a language pack.
>>
>> Having said that these kdeutils seem like useful additions and should not
>> take up too much space.
>>
>> >  We want talk about Yakuake
>>
>> Yakuake is fun but it breaks the normal UI conventions so isn't suitable
>> for default use.
>>
>> > A calcuator, a converter, and everything can gives
>> >  a better ideas about what can be done in plasma in a quick and
>> easy way.
>>
>> We don't like to clutter the desktop or panel (that's a general Ubuntu
>> philosophy). Adding favourite plasmoids can be easily done by users
>> and is generally best left up to them since a setup for one user won't
>> be very useful for another.
>>
>> >Activities:
>>
>> We're behind here and need to review what upstream do in default
>> activities and desktops.  We shouldn't have two desktops by default now
>> with activities.
>>
>> Having said that I find activities unintuitive, there's no panel pager
>> to change them and no window animation on switch so if I accidently
>> press win-tab I just get all my windows disappearing :(
>>
>> >  I fill really comfortable with some "extra functionality" enabled
>> like
>> >  rolling up and down a window just within the mouse wheel, can be
>> very
>> >  useful if you used to work with a lot of opened tasks. Talking
>> about
>> >  buttons on the window decorations I use a lot the button to "keep
>> Above
>> >  Others", and I'm quite sure most of the new user not even knows it
>> can
>> >  be done, instead once is there it's really easy to understand how
>> and
>> >  when to use it.
>> >  Another fancy and some time useful features that can be enabled by
>> >  default is the ability to change the transparency of a window just
>> >  pressing ALT and rolling the mouse wheel.
>>
>> First question to ask is why are these not turned on upstream?
>> There's a danger with default like this that users will active them
>> accidently and have no ide awhat happened or how to revert (like
>> pressing win-tab).
>>
>> >I guess a second panel on the top of the screen can do most of the
>> job
>>
>> Ug, we don't want to take up extra screen space better used by
>> applications.
>>
>> Let the discussion continue.. :)
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time

2013-01-23 Thread Tomasz Dudzik 
Jonathan, please look at what i said. We don't need to add new features,
that are not KDE's default, etc. We need to improve the
*first exeprience:*
*
*
*-don't use KDE's default wallpaper every where (login, plymouth,
installer, desktop), use wallpaper as a wallpaper and create a *
*nice background for plymouth, another one for lightdm and splash. This
gives a cooler look&feel. People like this.*

2013/1/23 Jonathan Riddell 

> Thanks for your suggestions.  Our general philosphies with default
> settings is:
> -working by default, no first run configuration dialogues
> -go with upstream's settings unless there's a very good reason
> -keep it simple, don't clutter with too many features
> -KDE first
>
> >Even much better of course would be to gives, if possible, a choice
> during
> >the installation process to set the Environment in few different ways
>
> first run configuration dialogues are nasty, how would the user know what
> to choose?
>
> >  Rekonq, is not ready yet and I cannot see any good reason to use a
> "not
> >  ready yet software" as a default application, especially because we
> are
> >  talking about the Default Tool to Access the Web, which is a 90%
> daily
> >  use of computer for most of the people out there.
>
> It's a controvertial choice for sure, it fits in with my general KDE
> idealism but it has been disappointing in how buggy it can be.
>
> But Firefox has no KDE integration and Chromium isn't supported for
> the length of our supported releases.  And since they are not KDE apps
> they require a whole load of extra dependencies.
>
> >  Dragon Player
>
> Dragon Player nicely integrates with KDE.  vlc has a really cluttered UI
> for most users.
>
> >like Kruler, KcolorChooser, KCharSelect
> >  and so on.
>
> Our images are currently full up for our (arbitrary) 1GB size limit, so
> any new addition means removing something such as a language pack.
>
> Having said that these kdeutils seem like useful additions and should not
> take up too much space.
>
> >  We want talk about Yakuake
>
> Yakuake is fun but it breaks the normal UI conventions so isn't suitable
> for default use.
>
> > A calcuator, a converter, and everything can gives
> >  a better ideas about what can be done in plasma in a quick and easy
> way.
>
> We don't like to clutter the desktop or panel (that's a general Ubuntu
> philosophy). Adding favourite plasmoids can be easily done by users
> and is generally best left up to them since a setup for one user won't
> be very useful for another.
>
> >Activities:
>
> We're behind here and need to review what upstream do in default
> activities and desktops.  We shouldn't have two desktops by default now
> with activities.
>
> Having said that I find activities unintuitive, there's no panel pager
> to change them and no window animation on switch so if I accidently
> press win-tab I just get all my windows disappearing :(
>
> >  I fill really comfortable with some "extra functionality" enabled
> like
> >  rolling up and down a window just within the mouse wheel, can be
> very
> >  useful if you used to work with a lot of opened tasks. Talking about
> >  buttons on the window decorations I use a lot the button to "keep
> Above
> >  Others", and I'm quite sure most of the new user not even knows it
> can
> >  be done, instead once is there it's really easy to understand how
> and
> >  when to use it.
> >  Another fancy and some time useful features that can be enabled by
> >  default is the ability to change the transparency of a window just
> >  pressing ALT and rolling the mouse wheel.
>
> First question to ask is why are these not turned on upstream?
> There's a danger with default like this that users will active them
> accidently and have no ide awhat happened or how to revert (like
> pressing win-tab).
>
> >I guess a second panel on the top of the screen can do most of the job
>
> Ug, we don't want to take up extra screen space better used by
> applications.
>
> Let the discussion continue.. :)
>
> Jonathan
>
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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time

2013-01-23 Thread Jonathan Riddell 
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 03:14:13PM +0100, Tomasz Dudzik wrote:
>-change the default /home folder icons (music, doc, etc)

We did used to do this in KDE 3 times, it's mostly an implementation question, 
how to get the necessary .directory files in the directories by default?

> -add avatar and
>wifi connecting support to installer

There's some more pressing work needing done in the installer, but anyone 
wanting to get stuck into some python on this very welcome.

> -add KDEWEB accounts, run it on the
>first kubuntu start after installation

Just waiting for afiestas to declaire it ready.

> -add notification-helper for kipi
>plugins (first gwenview start) 

Yes I'd like this, although it's already in kubuntu-restricted-addons so it'll 
get installed if you tick the tickbox in the installer.

>- add default wallpaper package or atleast
>a few cool ones

wallpapers take up space so adding more means removing applications or languages

> -improve lightdm default them: move system buttons to
>center, use monochromatic icons, 48x48 

designs welcome, or nudge upstream d_ed

> -switch to chrome/chromium

chromium doesn't have security updates for our support period.

>-finally fix or remove the sharing KCM form systemsetings. Why is this
>thing stuck for so long?! 

rbelem what's the status on this?

> -make user configuration USER FRIENDLY

afiestas is on the case

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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time

2013-01-23 Thread Jonathan Riddell 
Thanks for your suggestions.  Our general philosphies with default settings is:
-working by default, no first run configuration dialogues
-go with upstream's settings unless there's a very good reason
-keep it simple, don't clutter with too many features
-KDE first

>Even much better of course would be to gives, if possible, a choice during
>the installation process to set the Environment in few different ways

first run configuration dialogues are nasty, how would the user know what to 
choose?

>  Rekonq, is not ready yet and I cannot see any good reason to use a "not
>  ready yet software" as a default application, especially because we are
>  talking about the Default Tool to Access the Web, which is a 90% daily
>  use of computer for most of the people out there.

It's a controvertial choice for sure, it fits in with my general KDE
idealism but it has been disappointing in how buggy it can be.

But Firefox has no KDE integration and Chromium isn't supported for
the length of our supported releases.  And since they are not KDE apps
they require a whole load of extra dependencies.

>  Dragon Player

Dragon Player nicely integrates with KDE.  vlc has a really cluttered UI for 
most users.

>like Kruler, KcolorChooser, KCharSelect
>  and so on.

Our images are currently full up for our (arbitrary) 1GB size limit, so any new 
addition means removing something such as a language pack.

Having said that these kdeutils seem like useful additions and should not take 
up too much space.

>  We want talk about Yakuake

Yakuake is fun but it breaks the normal UI conventions so isn't suitable for 
default use.

> A calcuator, a converter, and everything can gives
>  a better ideas about what can be done in plasma in a quick and easy way.

We don't like to clutter the desktop or panel (that's a general Ubuntu
philosophy). Adding favourite plasmoids can be easily done by users
and is generally best left up to them since a setup for one user won't
be very useful for another.

>Activities:

We're behind here and need to review what upstream do in default activities and 
desktops.  We shouldn't have two desktops by default now with activities.

Having said that I find activities unintuitive, there's no panel pager
to change them and no window animation on switch so if I accidently
press win-tab I just get all my windows disappearing :(

>  I fill really comfortable with some "extra functionality" enabled like
>  rolling up and down a window just within the mouse wheel, can be very
>  useful if you used to work with a lot of opened tasks. Talking about
>  buttons on the window decorations I use a lot the button to "keep Above
>  Others", and I'm quite sure most of the new user not even knows it can
>  be done, instead once is there it's really easy to understand how and
>  when to use it.
>  Another fancy and some time useful features that can be enabled by
>  default is the ability to change the transparency of a window just
>  pressing ALT and rolling the mouse wheel.

First question to ask is why are these not turned on upstream?
There's a danger with default like this that users will active them
accidently and have no ide awhat happened or how to revert (like
pressing win-tab).

>I guess a second panel on the top of the screen can do most of the job

Ug, we don't want to take up extra screen space better used by applications.

Let the discussion continue.. :)

Jonathan

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Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience

2013-01-23 Thread Rohan Garg 
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Tomasz Dudzik  wrote:
> Even if, we can make a Browser choice page which will be the first one
> opened in rekonq or add Browser choice to installer.

IMHO if anything, the browser choice should be implemented in the
installer so that once you've installed a system it should be usable
from the get-go.
www.launchpad.net/~rohangarg

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Re: [kubuntu-devel] Translation Testing

2013-01-23 Thread Jonathan Riddell 
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 05:46:10PM +0100, Volkan Gezer wrote:
>How can we compile and test translations of Kubuntu before waiting for
>releases? Since in Rosetta it is slower to change pages?
>I am posting here because, I could not find kubuntu-doc mail list.

Here's the right place.  However packaging the translations in the docs is a 
large faff so I'm afraid I don't know of a quick way to test them.

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Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience

2013-01-23 Thread Tomasz Dudzik 
Even if, we can make a Browser choice page which will be the first one
opened in rekonq or add Browser choice to installer.
23 sty 2013 15:45, "Rohan Garg"  napisał(a):

> Hi
>
> Please not that we cannot ship some multimedia things like libav due
> to patent issues as a result of which apps like vlc cannot be shipped
> ( and by extension, same thing goes for chromium though I am not
> entirely sure about that, maybe someone can offer a better explanation
> of why we can't ship chromium as the default ).
>
> 
>
> >
> > -change the default /home folder icons (music, doc, etc)
>
> Please propose these upstream (  kde-de...@kde.org should suffice,
> unless someone proposes a better list ), I can't think of a reason as
> to why this should be in Kubuntu and not in KDE itself.
>
>  -add avatar and
> > wifi connecting support to installer
> Oh yes, this would be really cool to have, who wants to volunteer? :D
>
>  -add KDEWEB accounts, run it on the
> > first kubuntu start after installation
>
> I'd like to hear Alex Fiesta's as well as other Kubuntu Developers
> opinions on this, there is also no release of WebAccounts at the
> moment, so we should keep that in mind.
>
> I also think that it shouldn't be run when the desktop starts because
> you want to start working straightaway, but that's just me.
>
> > -add notification-helper for kipi plugins (first gwenview start)
>
> Probably should be added to the list of packages the
> kubuntu-notification-helper asks the user to install when it starts up
>
> > - add default wallpaper package or atleast a
> > few cool ones
>
> We do ship the default wallpaper we get from KDE, Elarun for Raring,
> Ariya for Quantal
>
> > -improve lightdm default them: move system buttons to center,
> > use monochromatic icons, 48x48
>
> Please send mockups and code to David Edmundson :)
> He's d_ed on Freenode, channel : #kde-lightdm
>
>
> > -switch to chrome/chromium. All new to
> > kubuntu people ask about chrome/firefox. It's best browser anyway ;)
>
> Firefox doesn't really have good KDE integration by default which is
> why we've rejected it in earlier releases ( Plasma Download
> notifications, File Dialogs, Button placement, etc etc)
>
> As for Chromium, see the first couple of lines of this reply.
>
> > -finally fix or remove the sharing KCM form systemsetings. Why is this
> thing
> > stuck for so long?! -make user configuration USER FRIENDLY! Let it be a
> KCM
> > not a standalone app. This sucks ;)
>
> Alex Fiestas is working on this, though I haven't seen a screenshot or
> anything :)
>
> Not to mention user management is currently broken in Raring due to
> python3 migration. We are coming up with better alternatives and will
> probably decide once Alex shows us his new user management KCM.
>
> www.launchpad.net/~rohangarg
>
> >
> > 23 sty 2013 02:33, "AG Alex"  napisał(a):
> >>
> >> Hi everyone, I'm a new member with few years of experience using
> >> Kubuntu..., please be patient with my English, I'm still working on
> it
> >> I'm writing to talk about Users First Experience improvement in Kubuntu,
> >> which is not the best we can do at moment especially for First Time
> Users,
> >> in my opinion of course.
> >>
> >> The current default configuration of Kubuntu (until 12.10) seems to be
> >> targeting just experienced users, which once installed a new system
> doesn't
> >> have any problem to build its own environment around its needs, but they
> >> wouldn't have any problem to do it even with a much more full
> functionality
> >> default configuration, while for a new user of Kubuntu it will be
> impossible
> >> even to simply imagine the powerful of the KDE environment with current
> >> default settings.
> >>
> >> So why don't we change the target of the default settings to aim the
> >> Newbbie needs instead of experienced users, they can anyway customize
> and
> >> set up everything they need in few steps. I mean, a bit of "sacrifice"
> for
> >> experienced user could become something really helpful for New Users.
> >> Even much better of course would be to gives, if possible, a choice
> during
> >> the installation process to set the Environment in few different ways,
> one
> >> could be"Minimal Basic Functionality" (for experienced Users), other
> could
> >> be "Fully Functionality Mode" (to show the real power of KDE) , other
> again
> >> could be a kind of "Learning Mode" where in my opinion Activities can
> become
> >> very helpful, and so on.
> >> But I'm not a developer and maybe it's impossible to do it, or maybe it
> >> will be possible just having a much more centralized configuration
> system,
> >> where would be really nice to have a set of tools to export and share
> any
> >> aspect of any single part of of the DE configuration (but maybe in other
> >> post we can talk about it).
> >>
> >>
> >> Talking about New Default Settings optimized for first time Users,
> >> involves of course few different aspects like default packages
> installed,
> >> defa

Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience

2013-01-23 Thread Rohan Garg 
Hi

Please not that we cannot ship some multimedia things like libav due
to patent issues as a result of which apps like vlc cannot be shipped
( and by extension, same thing goes for chromium though I am not
entirely sure about that, maybe someone can offer a better explanation
of why we can't ship chromium as the default ).



>
> -change the default /home folder icons (music, doc, etc)

Please propose these upstream (  kde-de...@kde.org should suffice,
unless someone proposes a better list ), I can't think of a reason as
to why this should be in Kubuntu and not in KDE itself.

 -add avatar and
> wifi connecting support to installer
Oh yes, this would be really cool to have, who wants to volunteer? :D

 -add KDEWEB accounts, run it on the
> first kubuntu start after installation

I'd like to hear Alex Fiesta's as well as other Kubuntu Developers
opinions on this, there is also no release of WebAccounts at the
moment, so we should keep that in mind.

I also think that it shouldn't be run when the desktop starts because
you want to start working straightaway, but that's just me.

> -add notification-helper for kipi plugins (first gwenview start)

Probably should be added to the list of packages the
kubuntu-notification-helper asks the user to install when it starts up

> - add default wallpaper package or atleast a
> few cool ones

We do ship the default wallpaper we get from KDE, Elarun for Raring,
Ariya for Quantal

> -improve lightdm default them: move system buttons to center,
> use monochromatic icons, 48x48

Please send mockups and code to David Edmundson :)
He's d_ed on Freenode, channel : #kde-lightdm


> -switch to chrome/chromium. All new to
> kubuntu people ask about chrome/firefox. It's best browser anyway ;)

Firefox doesn't really have good KDE integration by default which is
why we've rejected it in earlier releases ( Plasma Download
notifications, File Dialogs, Button placement, etc etc)

As for Chromium, see the first couple of lines of this reply.

> -finally fix or remove the sharing KCM form systemsetings. Why is this thing
> stuck for so long?! -make user configuration USER FRIENDLY! Let it be a KCM
> not a standalone app. This sucks ;)

Alex Fiestas is working on this, though I haven't seen a screenshot or
anything :)

Not to mention user management is currently broken in Raring due to
python3 migration. We are coming up with better alternatives and will
probably decide once Alex shows us his new user management KCM.

www.launchpad.net/~rohangarg

>
> 23 sty 2013 02:33, "AG Alex"  napisał(a):
>>
>> Hi everyone, I'm a new member with few years of experience using
>> Kubuntu..., please be patient with my English, I'm still working on it
>> I'm writing to talk about Users First Experience improvement in Kubuntu,
>> which is not the best we can do at moment especially for First Time Users,
>> in my opinion of course.
>>
>> The current default configuration of Kubuntu (until 12.10) seems to be
>> targeting just experienced users, which once installed a new system doesn't
>> have any problem to build its own environment around its needs, but they
>> wouldn't have any problem to do it even with a much more full functionality
>> default configuration, while for a new user of Kubuntu it will be impossible
>> even to simply imagine the powerful of the KDE environment with current
>> default settings.
>>
>> So why don't we change the target of the default settings to aim the
>> Newbbie needs instead of experienced users, they can anyway customize and
>> set up everything they need in few steps. I mean, a bit of "sacrifice" for
>> experienced user could become something really helpful for New Users.
>> Even much better of course would be to gives, if possible, a choice during
>> the installation process to set the Environment in few different ways, one
>> could be"Minimal Basic Functionality" (for experienced Users), other could
>> be "Fully Functionality Mode" (to show the real power of KDE) , other again
>> could be a kind of "Learning Mode" where in my opinion Activities can become
>> very helpful, and so on.
>> But I'm not a developer and maybe it's impossible to do it, or maybe it
>> will be possible just having a much more centralized configuration system,
>> where would be really nice to have a set of tools to export and share any
>> aspect of any single part of of the DE configuration (but maybe in other
>> post we can talk about it).
>>
>>
>> Talking about New Default Settings optimized for first time Users,
>> involves of course few different aspects like default packages installed,
>> default desktop environment include plasma and plasmoids, and than default
>> activities where to show many different aspect of KDE functionality combined
>> with the best applications of Kubuntu repositories.
>>
>> Default Packages:
>> In my opinion there are few change to do on default installed packages,
>> simply because some application are not ready yet to be used, or in some
>> other case, v

Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience

2013-01-23 Thread Tomasz Dudzik 
Finally someone else nitced it! Here's what i propose:

-change the default /home folder icons (music, doc, etc) -add avatar and
wifi connecting support to installer -add KDEWEB accounts, run it on the
first kubuntu start after installation -add notification-helper for kipi
plugins (first gwenview start) - add default wallpaper package or atleast a
few cool ones -improve lightdm default them: move system buttons to center,
use monochromatic icons, 48x48 -switch to chrome/chromium. All new to
kubuntu people ask about chrome/firefox. It's best browser anyway ;)
-finally fix or remove the sharing KCM form systemsetings. Why is this
thing stuck for so long?! -make user configuration USER FRIENDLY! Let it be
a KCM not a standalone app. This sucks ;)
23 sty 2013 02:33, "AG Alex"  napisał(a):

>  Hi everyone, I'm a new member with few years of experience using
> Kubuntu..., please be patient with my English, I'm still working on it
> I'm writing to talk about *Users First Experience improvement in Kubuntu*,
> which is not the best we can do at moment especially for First Time Users,
> in my opinion of course.
>
> The current default configuration of Kubuntu (until 12.10) seems to be
> targeting just experienced users, which once installed a new system doesn't
> have any problem to build its own environment around its needs, but they
> wouldn't have any problem to do it even with a much more full functionality
> default configuration, while for a new user of Kubuntu it will be
> impossible even to simply imagine the powerful of the KDE environment with
> current default settings.
>
> So why don't we change the target of the default settings to aim the
> Newbbie needs instead of experienced users, they can anyway customize and
> set up everything they need in few steps. I mean, a bit of "sacrifice" for
> experienced user could become something really helpful for New Users.
> Even much better of course would be to gives, if possible, a choice during
> the installation process to set the Environment in few different ways, one
> could be"Minimal Basic Functionality" (for experienced Users), other could
> be "Fully Functionality Mode" (to show the real power of KDE) , other again
> could be a kind of "Learning Mode" where in my opinion Activities can
> become very helpful, and so on.
> But I'm not a developer and maybe it's impossible to do it, or maybe it
> will be possible just having a much more centralized configuration system,
> where would be really nice to have a set of tools to export and share any
> aspect of any single part of of the DE configuration (but maybe in other
> post we can talk about it).
>
>
> Talking about *New Default Settings optimized for first time Users*,
> involves of course few different aspects like default packages installed,
> default desktop environment include plasma and plasmoids, and than default
> activities where to show many different aspect of KDE functionality
> combined with the best applications of Kubuntu repositories.
>
> *Default Packages:*
> In my opinion there are few change to do on default installed packages,
> simply because some application are not ready yet to be used, or in some
> other case, very useful tool are not installed by default.
>
> *Applications:*
>
> *Rekonq*, is not ready yet and I cannot see any good reason to use a "not
> ready yet software" as a default application, especially because we are
> talking about the *Default Tool to Access the Web*, which is a 90% daily
> use of computer for most of the people out there.
> I know, there is an installer launcher of Firefox and it's really simple
> to use, but in my opinion after hours of installation in some case, is
> really disarming do another installation and write password , simply to
> surfing the web in a  reasonable way, isn't ? I mean, there are few great
> software out there, are open source, stable, powerful, already on
> repository, every day more used.., why don't use one of it by default.
> Are we sure the best solution is to propose a not ready yet software to do
> the job ?, even because in my case it means to have any link clicked in
> Thunderbird opened in Rekonq , even if I change the default browser on
> system settings to use chromium (it seems to works just if is already
> opened).
>
> *Dragon Player*, is a good player but maybe there are some other great
> software like vlc already in repositories, which can gives to the users a
> much more complete and powerful solution to play with multimedia contents,
> and I'm pretty sure vlc is one of the first installation "extra" once
> complete the Kubuntu one, for many users.
>
> Talking about *Utility*, there are few nice utility right on the
> repository that could be installed by default, and for utility like
> Ksnapshot already installed would be much better to use a launcher on some
> panel, where would be nice as well to have some software to screencast the
> desktop, or even nice tools and some time essentials (depending

Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience

2013-01-23 Thread Tomasz Dudzik 
I will do at home some mockups of some little changes that might help
Kubuntu look and fell even more cool than OSX :)


2013/1/23 AG Alex 

>  Hi everyone, I'm a new member with few years of experience using
> Kubuntu..., please be patient with my English, I'm still working on it
> I'm writing to talk about *Users First Experience improvement in Kubuntu*,
> which is not the best we can do at moment especially for First Time Users,
> in my opinion of course.
>
> The current default configuration of Kubuntu (until 12.10) seems to be
> targeting just experienced users, which once installed a new system doesn't
> have any problem to build its own environment around its needs, but they
> wouldn't have any problem to do it even with a much more full functionality
> default configuration, while for a new user of Kubuntu it will be
> impossible even to simply imagine the powerful of the KDE environment with
> current default settings.
>
> So why don't we change the target of the default settings to aim the
> Newbbie needs instead of experienced users, they can anyway customize and
> set up everything they need in few steps. I mean, a bit of "sacrifice" for
> experienced user could become something really helpful for New Users.
> Even much better of course would be to gives, if possible, a choice during
> the installation process to set the Environment in few different ways, one
> could be"Minimal Basic Functionality" (for experienced Users), other could
> be "Fully Functionality Mode" (to show the real power of KDE) , other again
> could be a kind of "Learning Mode" where in my opinion Activities can
> become very helpful, and so on.
> But I'm not a developer and maybe it's impossible to do it, or maybe it
> will be possible just having a much more centralized configuration system,
> where would be really nice to have a set of tools to export and share any
> aspect of any single part of of the DE configuration (but maybe in other
> post we can talk about it).
>
>
> Talking about *New Default Settings optimized for first time Users*,
> involves of course few different aspects like default packages installed,
> default desktop environment include plasma and plasmoids, and than default
> activities where to show many different aspect of KDE functionality
> combined with the best applications of Kubuntu repositories.
>
> *Default Packages:*
> In my opinion there are few change to do on default installed packages,
> simply because some application are not ready yet to be used, or in some
> other case, very useful tool are not installed by default.
>
> *Applications:*
>
> *Rekonq*, is not ready yet and I cannot see any good reason to use a "not
> ready yet software" as a default application, especially because we are
> talking about the *Default Tool to Access the Web*, which is a 90% daily
> use of computer for most of the people out there.
> I know, there is an installer launcher of Firefox and it's really simple
> to use, but in my opinion after hours of installation in some case, is
> really disarming do another installation and write password , simply to
> surfing the web in a  reasonable way, isn't ? I mean, there are few great
> software out there, are open source, stable, powerful, already on
> repository, every day more used.., why don't use one of it by default.
> Are we sure the best solution is to propose a not ready yet software to do
> the job ?, even because in my case it means to have any link clicked in
> Thunderbird opened in Rekonq , even if I change the default browser on
> system settings to use chromium (it seems to works just if is already
> opened).
>
> *Dragon Player*, is a good player but maybe there are some other great
> software like vlc already in repositories, which can gives to the users a
> much more complete and powerful solution to play with multimedia contents,
> and I'm pretty sure vlc is one of the first installation "extra" once
> complete the Kubuntu one, for many users.
>
> Talking about *Utility*, there are few nice utility right on the
> repository that could be installed by default, and for utility like
> Ksnapshot already installed would be much better to use a launcher on some
> panel, where would be nice as well to have some software to screencast the
> desktop, or even nice tools and some time essentials (depending on your job
> type), like Kruler, KcolorChooser, KCharSelect and so on. I mean they
> are really small and so essential tools in some cases that really makes the
> difference.
>
> We want talk about* Yakuake* ?, I think there isn't better way to always
> have as much konsole instances as you need in a practice and nice way, and
> for new people, would be the easiest way possible to access the konsole
> when asking support on IRC and someone of us will say "..ok just pass those
> commands on the konsole.." just pressing F12 in the default Yakuake
> installation.
>
> *Plasmoids:*
>
> There are many good and useful plasmoids on repository, which ca