Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
if anyone is interested for ksplash i did a lots of demo animations here , they are very easy to customize just change logo and background with sounds http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/nwdSound+?content=149385 without sounds http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/nwd2+Text+and+Gear+easy+to+edit?content=149380 http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Simple+Rotating+fading+Logo+QML+?content=149329 http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/QML+animated+Graphite+Kubuntu+Splash?content=149317 http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/QML+animated+Graphite+Nowardev+Splash+?content=149291 2013/1/26 Tomasz Dudzik > ** > > Dnia piątek, 25 styczeń 2013 15:36:45 Sam Sarette pisze: > > Yes please, I'm a big advocate of having the kubuntu logo as the app > launcher icon. > > More branding is nice. > > > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Volkan Gezer > wrote: > > And what about KDE icon? Can't it be changed into Kubuntu's logo with > default installation? It > will seem better integrated with Kubuntu. > > -Volkan > > 2013/1/23 Rohan Garg : > > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Tomasz Dudzik > wrote: > >> Even if, we can make a Browser choice page which will be the first one > >> opened in rekonq or add Browser choice to installer. > > > > IMHO if anything, the browser choice should be implemented in the > > installer so that once you've installed a system it should be usable > > from the get-go. > > www.launchpad.net/~rohangarg > > > > -- > > kubuntu-devel mailing list > > kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel > > -- > kubuntu-devel mailing list > kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel > > > > > Ok guys, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9esojVZcTg > > Hope you like it! :) > > -- > kubuntu-devel mailing list > kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel > > -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
Dnia piątek, 25 styczeń 2013 15:36:45 Sam Sarette pisze: Yes please, I'm a big advocate of having the kubuntu logo as the app launcher icon. More branding is nice. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Volkan Gezer wrote: And what about KDE icon? Can't it be changed into Kubuntu's logo with default installation? It will seem better integrated with Kubuntu. -Volkan 2013/1/23 Rohan Garg : > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Tomasz Dudzik wrote: >> Even if, we can make a Browser choice page which will be the first one >> opened in rekonq or add Browser choice to installer. > > IMHO if anything, the browser choice should be implemented in the > installer so that once you've installed a system it should be usable > from the get-go. > www.launchpad.net/~rohangarg > > -- > kubuntu-devel mailing list > kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel Ok guys, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9esojVZcTg Hope you like it! :)-- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
Dnia piątek, 25 styczeń 2013 15:36:45 Sam Sarette pisze: Yes please, I'm a big advocate of having the kubuntu logo as the app launcher icon. More branding is nice. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Volkan Gezer wrote: And what about KDE icon? Can't it be changed into Kubuntu's logo with default installation? It will seem better integrated with Kubuntu. -Volkan 2013/1/23 Rohan Garg : > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Tomasz Dudzik wrote: >> Even if, we can make a Browser choice page which will be the first one >> opened in rekonq or add Browser choice to installer. > > IMHO if anything, the browser choice should be implemented in the > installer so that once you've installed a system it should be usable > from the get-go. > www.launchpad.net/~rohangarg > > -- > kubuntu-devel mailing list > kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel Hey! Here's a lightdm theme i'm working on. I have a splash screen too. I think we can use this background (which comes in light version too) for installer background too. What do you think? :)-- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
Yes please, I'm a big advocate of having the kubuntu logo as the app launcher icon. More branding is nice. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Volkan Gezer wrote: > And what about KDE icon? Can't it be changed into Kubuntu's logo with > default installation? It > will seem better integrated with Kubuntu. > > -Volkan > > 2013/1/23 Rohan Garg : > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Tomasz Dudzik > wrote: > >> Even if, we can make a Browser choice page which will be the first one > >> opened in rekonq or add Browser choice to installer. > > > > IMHO if anything, the browser choice should be implemented in the > > installer so that once you've installed a system it should be usable > > from the get-go. > > www.launchpad.net/~rohangarg > > > > -- > > kubuntu-devel mailing list > > kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel > > -- > kubuntu-devel mailing list > kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel > -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
And what about KDE icon? Can't it be changed into Kubuntu's logo with default installation? It will seem better integrated with Kubuntu. -Volkan 2013/1/23 Rohan Garg : > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Tomasz Dudzik wrote: >> Even if, we can make a Browser choice page which will be the first one >> opened in rekonq or add Browser choice to installer. > > IMHO if anything, the browser choice should be implemented in the > installer so that once you've installed a system it should be usable > from the get-go. > www.launchpad.net/~rohangarg > > -- > kubuntu-devel mailing list > kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
I see, I was merely talking from a packaging perspective since I saw that vlc depends on libav. Regards Rohan Garg On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Harald Sitter wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Rohan Garg wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> Please not that we cannot ship some multimedia things like libav due >> to patent issues as a result of which apps like vlc cannot be shipped >> ( and by extension, same thing goes for chromium though I am not >> entirely sure about that, maybe someone can offer a better explanation >> of why we can't ship chromium as the default ). > > > just to be clear. vlc features a plugin system, there is no hard dep on > libav, there is not even one on libasound or qt for that matter. the ubuntu > packaging is simply done in a way that all demuxing/decoding/video output > plugins are put in one package. so, while a lot of the codec support comes > from libav for a default distribution it is not required (AFAIR vlc natively > supports everything we by default care about - vorbis, flac, theora). > > HS > > -- > kubuntu-devel mailing list > kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel > -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Rohan Garg wrote: > Hi > > Please not that we cannot ship some multimedia things like libav due > to patent issues as a result of which apps like vlc cannot be shipped > ( and by extension, same thing goes for chromium though I am not > entirely sure about that, maybe someone can offer a better explanation > of why we can't ship chromium as the default ). > just to be clear. vlc features a plugin system, there is no hard dep on libav, there is not even one on libasound or qt for that matter. the ubuntu packaging is simply done in a way that all demuxing/decoding/video output plugins are put in one package. so, while a lot of the codec support comes from libav for a default distribution it is not required (AFAIR vlc natively supports everything we by default care about - vorbis, flac, theora). HS -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
We can leave the browser topic by now. I think everyone who wants to try
out Kubuntu already know how to visit google.com and hit the "GET CHROME "
button. We need to concentrate on look&feel. So:
-create a new background for installer, lightdm & splash.
-create a user friendly KCM to turn on local sharing. OS X has done this
very well.
-avatar from webcam/file and wifi connection support in Ubiquity
-make user configuration user friendly
-finally change the installer slieshow. This didn't change for about 3-4
releases.
-add more monochromatic icons for all notification-helpers. Please use
existing or talk to Nuno Pinheiro.
I will work on artwork, as some of you might know. Please, if you fell good
in programing take care of the rest.
I think these are most important changes from the new user point view.
Please vote! :)
2013/1/24 Nowardev-Team
> well the defaults for me are not important anymore cuz i know so well
> packages and kubuntu that i did my ppa with my packages and my defaults
>
> said that
>
> rekonq is a joke , yesterday for example i tried another time on 13.04 cuz
> i had a problem with firefox alpha and tadaaa it did not login in my bank
> i have tested in other site i use and it's not useable for me or it
> doens't work well (with stable firefox worked.)
>
> so for me the best it's leave to user the choice to select it's own
> prefered browser at installation point
>
> if i was kubuntu dev i would ask me how many years users has to wait to
> get a decent qt browser . and has it a meaning to deliver something that
> doens't work well for BROWSING that is the FIRST activity that a linux user
> does ?
>
> btw someone has said , i have agrree , that firefox has not a great
> integration with kde , expecially if you have to open deb tar and launch
> dolphin
>
> i have fixed it using like association kde-open for every mime.
>
> said that :D i don't care about defaults i use mini.iso then i do this
>
> sudo apt-get install $(echo $(apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop | awk
> '/Depen/ || /Rec/{ gsub(/\,/,"")
> ;gsub(/Recommends:/,"");gsub(/Depends:/,"");gsub(/dragonplayer/,"vlc
> vlc-data vlc-nox vlc-plugin-fluidsynth vlc-plugin-jack vlc-plugin-notify
> vlc-plugin-pulse vlc-plugin-sdl vlc-plugin-svg
> vlc-plugin-zvbi");gsub(/rekonq/,"firefox"); print} ' | awk '{ printf "%s",
> $0 }') | sort)
>
>
>
>
>
> 2013/1/24 Scott Kitterman
>
>> On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 08:14:48 PM Rohan Garg wrote:
>> > Please not that we cannot ship some multimedia things like libav due
>> > to patent issues as a result of which apps like vlc cannot be shipped
>> > ( and by extension, same thing goes for chromium though I am not
>> > entirely sure about that, maybe someone can offer a better explanation
>> > of why we can't ship chromium as the default ).
>>
>> There is only one browser in the archive with adequate security support
>> and
>> that's Firefox. The lack of piles of qtwebkit/reqkonq security uploads
>> doesn't mean they are an order of magnitude better about security than
>> Firefox, just that we don't know what the issues are. Chromium gets some
>> maintenance, but it's not a reliably updated as Firefox. Given the
>> volume and
>> scope of web browser security issues, I think it's crazy to be using
>> anything
>> else.
>>
>> Scott K
>>
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Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
well the defaults for me are not important anymore cuz i know so well
packages and kubuntu that i did my ppa with my packages and my defaults
said that
rekonq is a joke , yesterday for example i tried another time on 13.04 cuz
i had a problem with firefox alpha and tadaaa it did not login in my bank
i have tested in other site i use and it's not useable for me or it
doens't work well (with stable firefox worked.)
so for me the best it's leave to user the choice to select it's own
prefered browser at installation point
if i was kubuntu dev i would ask me how many years users has to wait to get
a decent qt browser . and has it a meaning to deliver something that
doens't work well for BROWSING that is the FIRST activity that a linux user
does ?
btw someone has said , i have agrree , that firefox has not a great
integration with kde , expecially if you have to open deb tar and launch
dolphin
i have fixed it using like association kde-open for every mime.
said that :D i don't care about defaults i use mini.iso then i do this
sudo apt-get install $(echo $(apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop | awk
'/Depen/ || /Rec/{ gsub(/\,/,"")
;gsub(/Recommends:/,"");gsub(/Depends:/,"");gsub(/dragonplayer/,"vlc
vlc-data vlc-nox vlc-plugin-fluidsynth vlc-plugin-jack vlc-plugin-notify
vlc-plugin-pulse vlc-plugin-sdl vlc-plugin-svg
vlc-plugin-zvbi");gsub(/rekonq/,"firefox"); print} ' | awk '{ printf "%s",
$0 }') | sort)
2013/1/24 Scott Kitterman
> On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 08:14:48 PM Rohan Garg wrote:
> > Please not that we cannot ship some multimedia things like libav due
> > to patent issues as a result of which apps like vlc cannot be shipped
> > ( and by extension, same thing goes for chromium though I am not
> > entirely sure about that, maybe someone can offer a better explanation
> > of why we can't ship chromium as the default ).
>
> There is only one browser in the archive with adequate security support and
> that's Firefox. The lack of piles of qtwebkit/reqkonq security uploads
> doesn't mean they are an order of magnitude better about security than
> Firefox, just that we don't know what the issues are. Chromium gets some
> maintenance, but it's not a reliably updated as Firefox. Given the volume
> and
> scope of web browser security issues, I think it's crazy to be using
> anything
> else.
>
> Scott K
>
> --
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Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 08:14:48 PM Rohan Garg wrote: > Please not that we cannot ship some multimedia things like libav due > to patent issues as a result of which apps like vlc cannot be shipped > ( and by extension, same thing goes for chromium though I am not > entirely sure about that, maybe someone can offer a better explanation > of why we can't ship chromium as the default ). There is only one browser in the archive with adequate security support and that's Firefox. The lack of piles of qtwebkit/reqkonq security uploads doesn't mean they are an order of magnitude better about security than Firefox, just that we don't know what the issues are. Chromium gets some maintenance, but it's not a reliably updated as Firefox. Given the volume and scope of web browser security issues, I think it's crazy to be using anything else. Scott K -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Tomasz Dudzik wrote: > Even if, we can make a Browser choice page which will be the first one > opened in rekonq or add Browser choice to installer. IMHO if anything, the browser choice should be implemented in the installer so that once you've installed a system it should be usable from the get-go. www.launchpad.net/~rohangarg -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
Even if, we can make a Browser choice page which will be the first one opened in rekonq or add Browser choice to installer. 23 sty 2013 15:45, "Rohan Garg" napisał(a): > Hi > > Please not that we cannot ship some multimedia things like libav due > to patent issues as a result of which apps like vlc cannot be shipped > ( and by extension, same thing goes for chromium though I am not > entirely sure about that, maybe someone can offer a better explanation > of why we can't ship chromium as the default ). > > > > > > > -change the default /home folder icons (music, doc, etc) > > Please propose these upstream ( kde-de...@kde.org should suffice, > unless someone proposes a better list ), I can't think of a reason as > to why this should be in Kubuntu and not in KDE itself. > > -add avatar and > > wifi connecting support to installer > Oh yes, this would be really cool to have, who wants to volunteer? :D > > -add KDEWEB accounts, run it on the > > first kubuntu start after installation > > I'd like to hear Alex Fiesta's as well as other Kubuntu Developers > opinions on this, there is also no release of WebAccounts at the > moment, so we should keep that in mind. > > I also think that it shouldn't be run when the desktop starts because > you want to start working straightaway, but that's just me. > > > -add notification-helper for kipi plugins (first gwenview start) > > Probably should be added to the list of packages the > kubuntu-notification-helper asks the user to install when it starts up > > > - add default wallpaper package or atleast a > > few cool ones > > We do ship the default wallpaper we get from KDE, Elarun for Raring, > Ariya for Quantal > > > -improve lightdm default them: move system buttons to center, > > use monochromatic icons, 48x48 > > Please send mockups and code to David Edmundson :) > He's d_ed on Freenode, channel : #kde-lightdm > > > > -switch to chrome/chromium. All new to > > kubuntu people ask about chrome/firefox. It's best browser anyway ;) > > Firefox doesn't really have good KDE integration by default which is > why we've rejected it in earlier releases ( Plasma Download > notifications, File Dialogs, Button placement, etc etc) > > As for Chromium, see the first couple of lines of this reply. > > > -finally fix or remove the sharing KCM form systemsetings. Why is this > thing > > stuck for so long?! -make user configuration USER FRIENDLY! Let it be a > KCM > > not a standalone app. This sucks ;) > > Alex Fiestas is working on this, though I haven't seen a screenshot or > anything :) > > Not to mention user management is currently broken in Raring due to > python3 migration. We are coming up with better alternatives and will > probably decide once Alex shows us his new user management KCM. > > www.launchpad.net/~rohangarg > > > > > 23 sty 2013 02:33, "AG Alex" napisał(a): > >> > >> Hi everyone, I'm a new member with few years of experience using > >> Kubuntu..., please be patient with my English, I'm still working on > it > >> I'm writing to talk about Users First Experience improvement in Kubuntu, > >> which is not the best we can do at moment especially for First Time > Users, > >> in my opinion of course. > >> > >> The current default configuration of Kubuntu (until 12.10) seems to be > >> targeting just experienced users, which once installed a new system > doesn't > >> have any problem to build its own environment around its needs, but they > >> wouldn't have any problem to do it even with a much more full > functionality > >> default configuration, while for a new user of Kubuntu it will be > impossible > >> even to simply imagine the powerful of the KDE environment with current > >> default settings. > >> > >> So why don't we change the target of the default settings to aim the > >> Newbbie needs instead of experienced users, they can anyway customize > and > >> set up everything they need in few steps. I mean, a bit of "sacrifice" > for > >> experienced user could become something really helpful for New Users. > >> Even much better of course would be to gives, if possible, a choice > during > >> the installation process to set the Environment in few different ways, > one > >> could be"Minimal Basic Functionality" (for experienced Users), other > could > >> be "Fully Functionality Mode" (to show the real power of KDE) , other > again > >> could be a kind of "Learning Mode" where in my opinion Activities can > become > >> very helpful, and so on. > >> But I'm not a developer and maybe it's impossible to do it, or maybe it > >> will be possible just having a much more centralized configuration > system, > >> where would be really nice to have a set of tools to export and share > any > >> aspect of any single part of of the DE configuration (but maybe in other > >> post we can talk about it). > >> > >> > >> Talking about New Default Settings optimized for first time Users, > >> involves of course few different aspects like default packages > installed, > >> defa
Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
Hi Please not that we cannot ship some multimedia things like libav due to patent issues as a result of which apps like vlc cannot be shipped ( and by extension, same thing goes for chromium though I am not entirely sure about that, maybe someone can offer a better explanation of why we can't ship chromium as the default ). > > -change the default /home folder icons (music, doc, etc) Please propose these upstream ( kde-de...@kde.org should suffice, unless someone proposes a better list ), I can't think of a reason as to why this should be in Kubuntu and not in KDE itself. -add avatar and > wifi connecting support to installer Oh yes, this would be really cool to have, who wants to volunteer? :D -add KDEWEB accounts, run it on the > first kubuntu start after installation I'd like to hear Alex Fiesta's as well as other Kubuntu Developers opinions on this, there is also no release of WebAccounts at the moment, so we should keep that in mind. I also think that it shouldn't be run when the desktop starts because you want to start working straightaway, but that's just me. > -add notification-helper for kipi plugins (first gwenview start) Probably should be added to the list of packages the kubuntu-notification-helper asks the user to install when it starts up > - add default wallpaper package or atleast a > few cool ones We do ship the default wallpaper we get from KDE, Elarun for Raring, Ariya for Quantal > -improve lightdm default them: move system buttons to center, > use monochromatic icons, 48x48 Please send mockups and code to David Edmundson :) He's d_ed on Freenode, channel : #kde-lightdm > -switch to chrome/chromium. All new to > kubuntu people ask about chrome/firefox. It's best browser anyway ;) Firefox doesn't really have good KDE integration by default which is why we've rejected it in earlier releases ( Plasma Download notifications, File Dialogs, Button placement, etc etc) As for Chromium, see the first couple of lines of this reply. > -finally fix or remove the sharing KCM form systemsetings. Why is this thing > stuck for so long?! -make user configuration USER FRIENDLY! Let it be a KCM > not a standalone app. This sucks ;) Alex Fiestas is working on this, though I haven't seen a screenshot or anything :) Not to mention user management is currently broken in Raring due to python3 migration. We are coming up with better alternatives and will probably decide once Alex shows us his new user management KCM. www.launchpad.net/~rohangarg > > 23 sty 2013 02:33, "AG Alex" napisał(a): >> >> Hi everyone, I'm a new member with few years of experience using >> Kubuntu..., please be patient with my English, I'm still working on it >> I'm writing to talk about Users First Experience improvement in Kubuntu, >> which is not the best we can do at moment especially for First Time Users, >> in my opinion of course. >> >> The current default configuration of Kubuntu (until 12.10) seems to be >> targeting just experienced users, which once installed a new system doesn't >> have any problem to build its own environment around its needs, but they >> wouldn't have any problem to do it even with a much more full functionality >> default configuration, while for a new user of Kubuntu it will be impossible >> even to simply imagine the powerful of the KDE environment with current >> default settings. >> >> So why don't we change the target of the default settings to aim the >> Newbbie needs instead of experienced users, they can anyway customize and >> set up everything they need in few steps. I mean, a bit of "sacrifice" for >> experienced user could become something really helpful for New Users. >> Even much better of course would be to gives, if possible, a choice during >> the installation process to set the Environment in few different ways, one >> could be"Minimal Basic Functionality" (for experienced Users), other could >> be "Fully Functionality Mode" (to show the real power of KDE) , other again >> could be a kind of "Learning Mode" where in my opinion Activities can become >> very helpful, and so on. >> But I'm not a developer and maybe it's impossible to do it, or maybe it >> will be possible just having a much more centralized configuration system, >> where would be really nice to have a set of tools to export and share any >> aspect of any single part of of the DE configuration (but maybe in other >> post we can talk about it). >> >> >> Talking about New Default Settings optimized for first time Users, >> involves of course few different aspects like default packages installed, >> default desktop environment include plasma and plasmoids, and than default >> activities where to show many different aspect of KDE functionality combined >> with the best applications of Kubuntu repositories. >> >> Default Packages: >> In my opinion there are few change to do on default installed packages, >> simply because some application are not ready yet to be used, or in some >> other case, v
Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
Finally someone else nitced it! Here's what i propose: -change the default /home folder icons (music, doc, etc) -add avatar and wifi connecting support to installer -add KDEWEB accounts, run it on the first kubuntu start after installation -add notification-helper for kipi plugins (first gwenview start) - add default wallpaper package or atleast a few cool ones -improve lightdm default them: move system buttons to center, use monochromatic icons, 48x48 -switch to chrome/chromium. All new to kubuntu people ask about chrome/firefox. It's best browser anyway ;) -finally fix or remove the sharing KCM form systemsetings. Why is this thing stuck for so long?! -make user configuration USER FRIENDLY! Let it be a KCM not a standalone app. This sucks ;) 23 sty 2013 02:33, "AG Alex" napisał(a): > Hi everyone, I'm a new member with few years of experience using > Kubuntu..., please be patient with my English, I'm still working on it > I'm writing to talk about *Users First Experience improvement in Kubuntu*, > which is not the best we can do at moment especially for First Time Users, > in my opinion of course. > > The current default configuration of Kubuntu (until 12.10) seems to be > targeting just experienced users, which once installed a new system doesn't > have any problem to build its own environment around its needs, but they > wouldn't have any problem to do it even with a much more full functionality > default configuration, while for a new user of Kubuntu it will be > impossible even to simply imagine the powerful of the KDE environment with > current default settings. > > So why don't we change the target of the default settings to aim the > Newbbie needs instead of experienced users, they can anyway customize and > set up everything they need in few steps. I mean, a bit of "sacrifice" for > experienced user could become something really helpful for New Users. > Even much better of course would be to gives, if possible, a choice during > the installation process to set the Environment in few different ways, one > could be"Minimal Basic Functionality" (for experienced Users), other could > be "Fully Functionality Mode" (to show the real power of KDE) , other again > could be a kind of "Learning Mode" where in my opinion Activities can > become very helpful, and so on. > But I'm not a developer and maybe it's impossible to do it, or maybe it > will be possible just having a much more centralized configuration system, > where would be really nice to have a set of tools to export and share any > aspect of any single part of of the DE configuration (but maybe in other > post we can talk about it). > > > Talking about *New Default Settings optimized for first time Users*, > involves of course few different aspects like default packages installed, > default desktop environment include plasma and plasmoids, and than default > activities where to show many different aspect of KDE functionality > combined with the best applications of Kubuntu repositories. > > *Default Packages:* > In my opinion there are few change to do on default installed packages, > simply because some application are not ready yet to be used, or in some > other case, very useful tool are not installed by default. > > *Applications:* > > *Rekonq*, is not ready yet and I cannot see any good reason to use a "not > ready yet software" as a default application, especially because we are > talking about the *Default Tool to Access the Web*, which is a 90% daily > use of computer for most of the people out there. > I know, there is an installer launcher of Firefox and it's really simple > to use, but in my opinion after hours of installation in some case, is > really disarming do another installation and write password , simply to > surfing the web in a reasonable way, isn't ? I mean, there are few great > software out there, are open source, stable, powerful, already on > repository, every day more used.., why don't use one of it by default. > Are we sure the best solution is to propose a not ready yet software to do > the job ?, even because in my case it means to have any link clicked in > Thunderbird opened in Rekonq , even if I change the default browser on > system settings to use chromium (it seems to works just if is already > opened). > > *Dragon Player*, is a good player but maybe there are some other great > software like vlc already in repositories, which can gives to the users a > much more complete and powerful solution to play with multimedia contents, > and I'm pretty sure vlc is one of the first installation "extra" once > complete the Kubuntu one, for many users. > > Talking about *Utility*, there are few nice utility right on the > repository that could be installed by default, and for utility like > Ksnapshot already installed would be much better to use a launcher on some > panel, where would be nice as well to have some software to screencast the > desktop, or even nice tools and some time essentials (depending
Re: Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
I will do at home some mockups of some little changes that might help Kubuntu look and fell even more cool than OSX :) 2013/1/23 AG Alex > Hi everyone, I'm a new member with few years of experience using > Kubuntu..., please be patient with my English, I'm still working on it > I'm writing to talk about *Users First Experience improvement in Kubuntu*, > which is not the best we can do at moment especially for First Time Users, > in my opinion of course. > > The current default configuration of Kubuntu (until 12.10) seems to be > targeting just experienced users, which once installed a new system doesn't > have any problem to build its own environment around its needs, but they > wouldn't have any problem to do it even with a much more full functionality > default configuration, while for a new user of Kubuntu it will be > impossible even to simply imagine the powerful of the KDE environment with > current default settings. > > So why don't we change the target of the default settings to aim the > Newbbie needs instead of experienced users, they can anyway customize and > set up everything they need in few steps. I mean, a bit of "sacrifice" for > experienced user could become something really helpful for New Users. > Even much better of course would be to gives, if possible, a choice during > the installation process to set the Environment in few different ways, one > could be"Minimal Basic Functionality" (for experienced Users), other could > be "Fully Functionality Mode" (to show the real power of KDE) , other again > could be a kind of "Learning Mode" where in my opinion Activities can > become very helpful, and so on. > But I'm not a developer and maybe it's impossible to do it, or maybe it > will be possible just having a much more centralized configuration system, > where would be really nice to have a set of tools to export and share any > aspect of any single part of of the DE configuration (but maybe in other > post we can talk about it). > > > Talking about *New Default Settings optimized for first time Users*, > involves of course few different aspects like default packages installed, > default desktop environment include plasma and plasmoids, and than default > activities where to show many different aspect of KDE functionality > combined with the best applications of Kubuntu repositories. > > *Default Packages:* > In my opinion there are few change to do on default installed packages, > simply because some application are not ready yet to be used, or in some > other case, very useful tool are not installed by default. > > *Applications:* > > *Rekonq*, is not ready yet and I cannot see any good reason to use a "not > ready yet software" as a default application, especially because we are > talking about the *Default Tool to Access the Web*, which is a 90% daily > use of computer for most of the people out there. > I know, there is an installer launcher of Firefox and it's really simple > to use, but in my opinion after hours of installation in some case, is > really disarming do another installation and write password , simply to > surfing the web in a reasonable way, isn't ? I mean, there are few great > software out there, are open source, stable, powerful, already on > repository, every day more used.., why don't use one of it by default. > Are we sure the best solution is to propose a not ready yet software to do > the job ?, even because in my case it means to have any link clicked in > Thunderbird opened in Rekonq , even if I change the default browser on > system settings to use chromium (it seems to works just if is already > opened). > > *Dragon Player*, is a good player but maybe there are some other great > software like vlc already in repositories, which can gives to the users a > much more complete and powerful solution to play with multimedia contents, > and I'm pretty sure vlc is one of the first installation "extra" once > complete the Kubuntu one, for many users. > > Talking about *Utility*, there are few nice utility right on the > repository that could be installed by default, and for utility like > Ksnapshot already installed would be much better to use a launcher on some > panel, where would be nice as well to have some software to screencast the > desktop, or even nice tools and some time essentials (depending on your job > type), like Kruler, KcolorChooser, KCharSelect and so on. I mean they > are really small and so essential tools in some cases that really makes the > difference. > > We want talk about* Yakuake* ?, I think there isn't better way to always > have as much konsole instances as you need in a practice and nice way, and > for new people, would be the easiest way possible to access the konsole > when asking support on IRC and someone of us will say "..ok just pass those > commands on the konsole.." just pressing F12 in the default Yakuake > installation. > > *Plasmoids:* > > There are many good and useful plasmoids on repository, which ca
Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience
Hi everyone, I'm a new member with few years of experience using Kubuntu..., please be patient with my English, I'm still working on it I'm writing to talk about *Users First Experience improvement in Kubuntu*, which is not the best we can do at moment especially for First Time Users, in my opinion of course. The current default configuration of Kubuntu (until 12.10) seems to be targeting just experienced users, which once installed a new system doesn't have any problem to build its own environment around its needs, but they wouldn't have any problem to do it even with a much more full functionality default configuration, while for a new user of Kubuntu it will be impossible even to simply imagine the powerful of the KDE environment with current default settings. So why don't we change the target of the default settings to aim the Newbbie needs instead of experienced users, they can anyway customize and set up everything they need in few steps. I mean, a bit of "sacrifice" for experienced user could become something really helpful for New Users. Even much better of course would be to gives, if possible, a choice during the installation process to set the Environment in few different ways, one could be"Minimal Basic Functionality" (for experienced Users), other could be "Fully Functionality Mode" (to show the real power of KDE) , other again could be a kind of "Learning Mode" where in my opinion Activities can become very helpful, and so on. But I'm not a developer and maybe it's impossible to do it, or maybe it will be possible just having a much more centralized configuration system, where would be really nice to have a set of tools to export and share any aspect of any single part of of the DE configuration (but maybe in other post we can talk about it). Talking about *New Default Settings optimized for first time Users*, involves of course few different aspects like default packages installed, default desktop environment include plasma and plasmoids, and than default activities where to show many different aspect of KDE functionality combined with the best applications of Kubuntu repositories. *Default Packages:* In my opinion there are few change to do on default installed packages, simply because some application are not ready yet to be used, or in some other case, very useful tool are not installed by default. */Applications:/* *Rekonq*, is not ready yet and I cannot see any good reason to use a "not ready yet software" as a default application, especially because we are talking about the *Default Tool to Access the Web*, which is a 90% daily use of computer for most of the people out there. I know, there is an installer launcher of Firefox and it's really simple to use, but in my opinion after hours of installation in some case, is really disarming do another installation and write password , simply to surfing the web in a reasonable way, isn't ? I mean, there are few great software out there, are open source, stable, powerful, already on repository, every day more used.., why don't use one of it by default. Are we sure the best solution is to propose a not ready yet software to do the job ?, even because in my case it means to have any link clicked in Thunderbird opened in Rekonq , even if I change the default browser on system settings to use chromium (it seems to works just if is already opened). *Dragon Player*, is a good player but maybe there are some other great software like vlc already in repositories, which can gives to the users a much more complete and powerful solution to play with multimedia contents, and I'm pretty sure vlc is one of the first installation "extra" once complete the Kubuntu one, for many users. Talking about *Utility*, there are few nice utility right on the repository that could be installed by default, and for utility like Ksnapshot already installed would be much better to use a launcher on some panel, where would be nice as well to have some software to screencast the desktop, or even nice tools and some time essentials (depending on your job type), like Kruler, KcolorChooser, KCharSelect and so on. I mean they are really small and so essential tools in some cases that really makes the difference. We want talk about*Yakuake* ?, I think there isn't better way to always have as much konsole instances as you need in a practice and nice way, and for new people, would be the easiest way possible to access the konsole when asking support on IRC and someone of us will say "..ok just pass those commands on the konsole.." just pressing F12 in the default Yakuake installation. */Plasmoids:/* There are many good and useful plasmoids on repository, which can be very handy to gives a much more complete idea of what actually can be done in Plasma. Just to mention few of them *Quick Access* should be much
