Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Monday 23 April 2012 11:20:00 Kamil Nadeem wrote: Why is Kopete and Telepathy not supporting audio call I have installed Pidgin on my 12.04 so it is not a big deal but I mean the main KDE chat app is not supporting such a basic feature O.o Hi, Kopete has some support for audio calls via google libjingle (should be compatible with google talk and gmail web plugin). But Kubuntu decided to disable this support at Kopete compile time. -- Pali Rohár pali.ro...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
Why is Kopete and Telepathy not supporting audio call I have installed Pidgin on my 12.04 so it is not a big deal but I mean the main KDE chat app is not supporting such a basic feature O.o On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Christian Mangold mangold@googlemail.com wrote: Christian Mangold: Kopete Am 31. März 2012 05:55 schrieb Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com: On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 05:29:57 PM Harald Sitter wrote: Lo' As we do not agree on whether we agree on a decision I'd like everyone to cast a vote in favor of KTP or Kopete as default for 12.04. The relevant discussion can be found at [1]. ... After several days of discussions and a lot of good inputs, here's where I think the Kubuntu Council positions stand (for 12.04): Christian Mangold - No vote David Wonderly - Kopete Harald Sitter - Kopete Jonathan Riddell - KDE Telepathy Jonathan Thomas - Kopete Scott Kitterman - Kopete Based on this, I think we've picked Kopete as the default (KDE telepathy will still be in the archive and available). I would appreciate it if someone would double check me on this, so we can get it changed as soon as possible (assuming I got it right). Scott K -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- Joseph-Haydn-Str. 17 D-83024 Rosenheim Tel +49 8031 2205669 Fax +49 8031 2205670 Mobil +49 179 9478419 -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
Christian Mangold: Kopete Am 31. März 2012 05:55 schrieb Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com: On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 05:29:57 PM Harald Sitter wrote: Lo' As we do not agree on whether we agree on a decision I'd like everyone to cast a vote in favor of KTP or Kopete as default for 12.04. The relevant discussion can be found at [1]. ... After several days of discussions and a lot of good inputs, here's where I think the Kubuntu Council positions stand (for 12.04): Christian Mangold - No vote David Wonderly - Kopete Harald Sitter - Kopete Jonathan Riddell - KDE Telepathy Jonathan Thomas - Kopete Scott Kitterman - Kopete Based on this, I think we've picked Kopete as the default (KDE telepathy will still be in the archive and available). I would appreciate it if someone would double check me on this, so we can get it changed as soon as possible (assuming I got it right). Scott K -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- Joseph-Haydn-Str. 17 D-83024 Rosenheim Tel +49 8031 2205669 Fax +49 8031 2205670 Mobil +49 179 9478419 -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Saturday, March 31, 2012 05:30:12 AM David Edmundson wrote: We're tagging 0.3.1 this Sunday, it would be good if we can get that in the archive before release. It's purely just miscellaneous minor fixes. This should definitely be doable. Scott K -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: [kubuntu-devel] Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Saturday, March 31, 2012 12:04:15 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: On Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:17:56 AM Jonathan Riddell wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:55:21PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: Based on this, I think we've picked Kopete as the default I stand defeated, please change the seeds and ask me to demote the packages. Seeds updated. I'll upload a new kubuntu-meta once the branch updates. Kubuntu-meta is updated too, so you can demote anytime. Scott K P.S. If this weren't an LTS, I'd have voted the other way. -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: [kubuntu-devel] Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
I am liking the Telepathy in comparison to Kopete. It still lacks feature which 0.4 promises to bring but overall I am pleased with relative ease in using it. Like setting up Gtalk in Kopete was a hassle but in telepathy, I just entered my Gmail id and voila it worked. The premise behind Telepathy to have messaging integration in the desktop is really intuitive. On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:50 AM, David Wonderly david.wonde...@kubuntu.orgwrote: Scott K P.S. If this weren't an LTS, I'd have voted the other way. I would have too. For the +1 (Q) I would like to see KPT as default. But, that will be part of the talks at UDS in May. Cheers! -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
Hi all, On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:31 AM, David Wonderly david.wonde...@kubuntu.org wrote: On Friday, March 30, 2012 01:18:22 AM Harald Sitter wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:31 PM, David Wonderly david.wonde...@kubuntu.org wrote: On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 08:44:15 AM Jonathan Riddell wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 05:29:57PM +0200, Harald Sitter wrote: KTP +1 from me for KTP. I rarely found myself using Kopete and find myself running kde-telepathy all the time, mostly because it's easy to use with gtalk and facebook. But I'm happy enough to be voted down by kubuntu-council on that, advantages either way. Jonathan While I see the benifits of having one over the other, the question should be what one are we willing to support for the next 5 years? This is an LTS release and if Kopete is going to dissipear in the next 5 years and be fully replaced by KPT then I would think that KPT would be the way to go. So, if KPT is being maintained and has developers and Kopete doesn't, I think for a support view KPT would be the way to go. Either one has pros and cons. Is that a vote in favor of KTP? I'm +1 for Kopete on LTS with us phasing toward KPT. (I can't change the Docs :P) Have we considered (correct me if I am wrong) that with KTP we can add newer versions with bugfixes to 12.04.1 etc if it is already there? Kopete will cause lots of support work (because its unmaintained, we have to write fixes for security bugs, we have to provide updates etc), and we can have it as an installable alternative for those people with a use case for the bits KTP does not provide. Jussi Cheers! David -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
Hi I completely agree with Scott's point, the KTP code base is constantly evolving and it's going to be harder to backport fixes for 0.3, I'd vote to keep kopete, keep a close eye on kopete security issues and maybe add a line about testing KTP in the release notes? Best Rohan Garg -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Pali Rohár pali.ro...@gmail.com wrote: Why was kopete-gcall package which provide support for googletalk audio calls for kopete removed from repositories? Sorry but that is completely off topic right now. -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 05:29:57 PM Harald Sitter wrote: Lo' As we do not agree on whether we agree on a decision I'd like everyone to cast a vote in favor of KTP or Kopete as default for 12.04. The relevant discussion can be found at [1]. ... After several days of discussions and a lot of good inputs, here's where I think the Kubuntu Council positions stand (for 12.04): Christian Mangold - No vote David Wonderly - Kopete Harald Sitter - Kopete Jonathan Riddell - KDE Telepathy Jonathan Thomas - Kopete Scott Kitterman - Kopete Based on this, I think we've picked Kopete as the default (KDE telepathy will still be in the archive and available). I would appreciate it if someone would double check me on this, so we can get it changed as soon as possible (assuming I got it right). Scott K -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
A comment about MSN (for example) are known to change their protocol and after a while not allow anyone using the older version. Kopete uses external library for msn/wlm for a reason, and thus far there's been volunteers finding and fixing what's been changed on other protocols (sans IRC, ofcourse) So I don't think that's a valid argument on deciding this. Me? I would love to see both, unfortunately. Kopete as default, KTP as recommended alternative. On 29 March 2012 07:01, Tres Finocchiaro fatbuttla...@gmail.com wrote: My vote is to move forward. I haven't used an IM client for over a year, except at work, where we use Pidgin + SIPE for compatibility with Microsoft Office Communicator. Google Voice works just fine through the web browser, and I've given up on support for it on the desktop. The indicator missing is definitely a loss, but as previous have said, it's very similar to dropping Pidgin or Gimp from Ubuntu. First look at your target audience, then weigh the impact of removing Kopete against the gains of switching to KTP, then have the power users apt-get what's missing. Empathy didn't work with Google Chat out-of-the-box, and somehow, people seemed to get by. I've been sick of Kopete for so long, I'd even vote Pidgin over it. -Tres On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:31 PM, David Wonderly david.wonde...@kubuntu.org wrote: On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 08:44:15 AM Jonathan Riddell wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 05:29:57PM +0200, Harald Sitter wrote: KTP +1 from me for KTP. I rarely found myself using Kopete and find myself running kde-telepathy all the time, mostly because it's easy to use with gtalk and facebook. But I'm happy enough to be voted down by kubuntu-council on that, advantages either way. Jonathan While I see the benifits of having one over the other, the question should be what one are we willing to support for the next 5 years? This is an LTS release and if Kopete is going to dissipear in the next 5 years and be fully replaced by KPT then I would think that KPT would be the way to go. So, if KPT is being maintained and has developers and Kopete doesn't, I think for a support view KPT would be the way to go. Either one has pros and cons. Cheers! Dave -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- - tres.finocchi...@gmail.com -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- Jussi Kekkonen, Tm_T -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
KTP: buggy, upstream, maintained, no IM integration, easy to configure and connect. Kopete: buggy, no upstream, unmaintained, IM integration, not always simple to configure and connect, advanced option. KTP is buggy because is very young, Kopete is buggy because is unmaintained. What is better, IM integration and advanced configuration with a buggy and unmaintained client or no IM integration and essential configuration with a buggy but maintained client? About IM integration: I not understand yet what is it. IM have sense if it can reduce the icons in the systray wrapping some icons of social and instant message applications in a single icon. i.e.: when I start Choqok the icon is displayed both in systray and in IM applet, this is a no sense. -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
Hello, After careful consideration of the points mentioned here, I'd like to cast my +1 behind keeping Kopete for the LTS. I don't have anything in particular to contribute to the discussion, though, since most everything has been said at this point. :P Cheers, Jonathan -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:31 PM, David Wonderly david.wonde...@kubuntu.org wrote: On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 08:44:15 AM Jonathan Riddell wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 05:29:57PM +0200, Harald Sitter wrote: KTP +1 from me for KTP. I rarely found myself using Kopete and find myself running kde-telepathy all the time, mostly because it's easy to use with gtalk and facebook. But I'm happy enough to be voted down by kubuntu-council on that, advantages either way. Jonathan While I see the benifits of having one over the other, the question should be what one are we willing to support for the next 5 years? This is an LTS release and if Kopete is going to dissipear in the next 5 years and be fully replaced by KPT then I would think that KPT would be the way to go. So, if KPT is being maintained and has developers and Kopete doesn't, I think for a support view KPT would be the way to go. Either one has pros and cons. Is that a vote in favor of KTP? -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
Am Freitag, 30. März 2012, 01:20:15 schrieb Harald Sitter: FWIW, I am voting for Kopete for LTS, also we can market KTP as key feature of 12.10 thus drawing more testing and making it rock for 12.10. Also jumping too quick onto new stuff has traditional caused bad press, so I'd very much like to avoid this for a LTS release. Maybe we could tell people that KTP is new and they can test it, because we plan to use it in 12.10, so they can prepare for it. Regards Jonathan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
Hey there, I'm going to vote for neither, in the hopes that a stable piece of software can be in place instead, since it's an LTS. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 05:29:57PM +0200, Harald Sitter wrote: KTP +1 from me for KTP. I rarely found myself using Kopete and find myself running kde-telepathy all the time, mostly because it's easy to use with gtalk and facebook. But I'm happy enough to be voted down by kubuntu-council on that, advantages either way. Jonathan -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
My vote is to move forward. I haven't used an IM client for over a year, except at work, where we use Pidgin + SIPE for compatibility with Microsoft Office Communicator. Google Voice works just fine through the web browser, and I've given up on support for it on the desktop. The indicator missing is definitely a loss, but as previous have said, it's very similar to dropping Pidgin or Gimp from Ubuntu. First look at your target audience, then weigh the impact of removing Kopete against the gains of switching to KTP, then have the power users apt-get what's missing. Empathy didn't work with Google Chat out-of-the-boxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/477233, and somehow, people seemed to get by. I've been sick of Kopete for so long, I'd even vote Pidgin over it. -Tres On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:31 PM, David Wonderly david.wonde...@kubuntu.orgwrote: On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 08:44:15 AM Jonathan Riddell wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 05:29:57PM +0200, Harald Sitter wrote: KTP +1 from me for KTP. I rarely found myself using Kopete and find myself running kde-telepathy all the time, mostly because it's easy to use with gtalk and facebook. But I'm happy enough to be voted down by kubuntu-council on that, advantages either way. Jonathan While I see the benifits of having one over the other, the question should be what one are we willing to support for the next 5 years? This is an LTS release and if Kopete is going to dissipear in the next 5 years and be fully replaced by KPT then I would think that KPT would be the way to go. So, if KPT is being maintained and has developers and Kopete doesn't, I think for a support view KPT would be the way to go. Either one has pros and cons. Cheers! Dave -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- - tres.finocchi...@gmail.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
We have a 0.3 all branched up, with loads of changes ready for a 0.3.1. Just no-ones got round to updating the version number and rolling tarballs. 0.3 is feature lacking in several respects to Kopete. Especially wrt chat logs and metacontacts. We need all these bug reports, and testing phases before we can release publicly. In fact you guys pushing it in your betas I think has helped as we've had a spike in wishlists/a few bugs after you started making it available. Being available in the repos for 6 months will really help us get something really good for 12.10 and not only will be near feature compatibility you'll have plenty of reasons of why KTp is better than Kopete (current master has working video calls to gmail for example) Personally I'd rather you kept Kopete for now /but/ I can see why you don't want to maintain Kopete backends for another 3 years. Dave - KDE Telepathy Lead. -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 05:19:15 PM David Edmundson wrote: We have a 0.3 all branched up, with loads of changes ready for a 0.3.1. Just no-ones got round to updating the version number and rolling tarballs. Awesome! then maybe we can ship with 0.4 and update bugs with stable releases? That will give us: -Support (kopete has none now) -Featured Ktp -Prepare for the future :33 Is there any way of migrating accounts from kopete to ktp? -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 05:29:57 PM Harald Sitter wrote: Lo' As we do not agree on whether we agree on a decision I'd like everyone to cast a vote in favor of KTP or Kopete as default for 12.04. The relevant discussion can be found at [1]. My vote is for Kopete. There are four reasons for this: 1. LTS is not the time to make a major technology change. This should be done in LTS +1. 2. Not integrated to our desktop - I think Message Indicator support is essential unless we drop this from our default panel layout. There are other feature parity issues, but I think this is the critical one. 3. KTP upstream request (in this thread): Personally I'd rather you kept Kopete for now but I can see why you don't want to maintain Kopete backends for another 3 years. 4. Maintainability. That last point might require a bit of discussion as I think it's somewhat backwards from the way most would look at it. I don't think we need to worry a lot about Kopete maintenance other than security issues. It does what it does. It doesn't do what it doesn't do. The code doesn't churn much from release to release, so there's not a lot of risk that a year or two from now some serious performance bug will be identified that someone will have to figure out without help from (the almost dead) upstream. That's not entirely true in the case of IM. IM is a bit different because it relies on servers and protocols (often reversed engineered) which can randomly change. MSN (for example) are known to change their protocol and after a while not allow anyone using the older version. So a bug can appear later, which doesn't exist now. Which is awful but quite likely. KTP, OTOH, is a young code base that is evolving rapidly. I think the chance we can be confident to have fully stabilized and all significant issues identified at or near release is much lower. By the time we hit such things, the KTP project will have moved on to newer code and not be in a position to provide much support. Support really comes down to security issues. As an application (or stack of applications) that directly connect to the outside world, they are at risk of latent security issues being discovered at ~any point in the support period. This is a 5 year LTS. For the first year or so, if there are such issues in Kopete, we can count on KDE SC 4.8 being supported by upstream. After that, we'll have to look at fixes from other distros or later KDE SC releases or write them ourselves. Since Kopete code is not changing much, the chances, in later parts of the support cycle when 4.8 is no longer supported, of security fixes from later KDE SC releases being easily backported to 4.8 are pretty good. For KDE Telepathy, the opposite is true. Since they are in rapid development, the chances that any fixes for later releases would apply to 12.04 would be much lower. Supporting an LTS is about stability and security, not the latest wizbang. I think KDE Telepathy is comng along nicely and I support shifting to it as default immediately for 12.10, but now is not the time. Scott K -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 05:47:40 PM David Edmundson wrote: I don't think we need to worry a lot about Kopete maintenance other than security issues. It does what it does. It doesn't do what it doesn't do. The code doesn't churn much from release to release, so there's not a lot of risk that a year or two from now some serious performance bug will be identified that someone will have to figure out without help from (the almost dead) upstream. That's not entirely true in the case of IM. IM is a bit different because it relies on servers and protocols (often reversed engineered) which can randomly change. MSN (for example) are known to change their protocol and after a while not allow anyone using the older version. So a bug can appear later, which doesn't exist now. Which is awful but quite likely. This is a good point, but I think my points about backportability of fixes from later releases apply here too (up to the point where KDE Telepathy achieves world domination). Scott K -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 01:42:31 PM James Cain wrote: There are many problems and bugs with Kopete not least it doesn't work for modern IM uses like GTalk, Facebook, Bonjour. Kopete supports Bonjour. -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Tuesday 27 March 2012 20:18:42 Alex Fiestas wrote: On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 01:42:31 PM James Cain wrote: There are many problems and bugs with Kopete not least it doesn't work for modern IM uses like GTalk, Facebook, Bonjour. Kopete supports Bonjour. Kopete also support GTalk (with voice calls) and Facebook (thanks to XMPP). -- Pali Rohár pali.ro...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:47 PM, David Edmundson da...@davidedmundson.co.uk wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 05:29:57 PM Harald Sitter wrote: Lo' As we do not agree on whether we agree on a decision I'd like everyone to cast a vote in favor of KTP or Kopete as default for 12.04. The relevant discussion can be found at [1]. My vote is for Kopete. There are four reasons for this: 1. LTS is not the time to make a major technology change. This should be done in LTS +1. 2. Not integrated to our desktop - I think Message Indicator support is essential unless we drop this from our default panel layout. There are other feature parity issues, but I think this is the critical one. 3. KTP upstream request (in this thread): Personally I'd rather you kept Kopete for now but I can see why you don't want to maintain Kopete backends for another 3 years. 4. Maintainability. That last point might require a bit of discussion as I think it's somewhat backwards from the way most would look at it. I don't think we need to worry a lot about Kopete maintenance other than security issues. It does what it does. It doesn't do what it doesn't do. The code doesn't churn much from release to release, so there's not a lot of risk that a year or two from now some serious performance bug will be identified that someone will have to figure out without help from (the almost dead) upstream. That's not entirely true in the case of IM. IM is a bit different because it relies on servers and protocols (often reversed engineered) which can randomly change. MSN (for example) are known to change their protocol and after a while not allow anyone using the older version. Mind that kopete has outsourced MSN support to libmsn, so this particular protocol is not a problem. However the point is still valid, though given that kopete is part of many many distributions, and therefore used by quite a few people, we would by no means be alone with a desire to fix a protocol breakage. I personally would count on the larger floss community to keep it working just as good as now for at least a couple more years. KDE 3.5 is still getting fixes despite upstream not maintaining it for 5 years now. Being unmaintained and being uanble to support it in a distro release are in parctise very different things. Another example that just came to mind is xine... ;) HS -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 08:26:40 PM Pali Rohár wrote: Kopete also support GTalk (with voice calls) and Facebook (thanks to XMPP). Well not really, you have jabber support but to configure gtalk/facebook you have to do all kind of weird stuff you don't really want to make the user do. about voice calls, never worked for me (and I tried few times), just like sending files, that should work but only do some times. -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: KDE Telepathy or Kopete
On Wednesday 28 March 2012 00:30:43 Alex Fiestas wrote: On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 08:26:40 PM Pali Rohár wrote: Kopete also support GTalk (with voice calls) and Facebook (thanks to XMPP). Well not really, you have jabber support but to configure gtalk/facebook you have to do all kind of weird stuff you don't really want to make the user do. about voice calls, never worked for me (and I tried few times), just like sending files, that should work but only do some times. For GTalk voice calls: Kopete has old version of libjingle included into svn tree. Problem is that google (again) changed their API and seems that actual libjingle code in kopete is incompatible with gmail web plugin (and also incompatible with new version). Also google devs made *.cpp files (audio output via mediastreamer) uncompilable in last libjingle version (this is really possible). So this must be fixed... I sent patches which we have in kopete svn repository for libjingle to google devs and all was included except one (which I need to fix). When that patch will be accepted into upstream libjingle I remove modified old libjingle from kopete svn and voice call will depends only on external up-to-date google package, which should work... I belive that there will be no more incompatible changes in upstream libjingle library. -- Pali Rohár pali.ro...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
