Re: Proposals for Natty from Ubuntu Italian User

[Simone Maggiani]

>>I'm not sure what you mean here, can you explain what the "dolphin
>>installer menu" is?

>
1) The Dolphin has installation option: Dophin > Configure Dolphin > Services > 
Download New Services. The Install/Download New services is using script 
/usr/bin/servicemenuinstallation. The script needs ruby to work. The ruby is 
not installed as default with the Natty Alpha 1. Adding a bug report: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/706900. This is same as 
the Archlinux bug: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/18140.

This is the problem.
thanks to Rog131

>It's blue, what colour should it be?
the same blue of kdm.

not a blue, but the kdm's blue.

>This would remove upstream's branding which is something upstream
>on't want us to do (understandably).  KDE provides a space for distro
>lgo in the kickoff menu which we use.

Who? kde's eam?
it's only the kickoff icon, only a small change.

>Neither of these packages exist in natty
this: eeepc-acpi-scripts exist in maverick, but i can't install it because it 
depends from acpi-support-base package that doesn't exist.

have you remove them from natty repo?

>Our CDs are currently oversized so we can't add anything more to them.
ok, no problem, but why kubuntu site write (http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-
tour#feature-tour-apps-graphics)
"Share everything everywhere, with a click"

i can't share my picture without kipi-plugins


thanks for reply, 
Simone



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RE: Proposals for Natty from Ubuntu Italian User

[Sam Rog]

> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:45:51 +
> Subject: Re: Proposals for Natty from Ubuntu Italian User
> From: jridd...@ubuntu.com
> To: kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
> 
> On 22 January 2011 20:40,   wrote:
> > 1) plymounth theme with the same color of KDE theme.
> 
...clip
> I'm not sure what you mean here, can you explain what the "dolphin
> installer menu" is?
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions.
> 
> Jonathan
> 


I think that there are two problems.

1) The Dolphin has installation option: Dophin > Configure Dolphin > Services > 
Download New Services.
The Install/Download New services is using script 
/usr/bin/servicemenuinstallation. The script needs ruby to work. The ruby is 
not installed as default with the Natty Alpha 1. Adding a bug report: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/706900. This is same as 
the Archlinux bug: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/18140.
2) The ruby servicemenuinstallation script is looking an installation script 
from the servicemenu package. The Rootactions servicemenu dont't have an 
installation script but it has good installation instructions. If you browse to 
the http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Root+Actions+Servicemenu?content=48411 
or read the README file (48411-rootactions_servicemenu_2.6.90.tar.gz).

 Take care,Rog131.
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Re: Proposals for Natty from Ubuntu Italian User

[Giuseppe Pennisi]

Ih, I'm an Italian User that with maggsimo and others has raised this issues.

Here is my opinion:

>2011/1/24 Jonathan Riddell 
>
> On 22 January 2011 20:40,   wrote:
> > 1) plymounth theme with the same color of KDE theme.
>
> It's blue, what colour should it be?
>
Can you say that playmouth has the same color palette of KDM\KDE?
Can you say there's uniform colors between playmouth and KDM\KDE?
Ok, is blu but Mother Nature allows us to see different shades of color.

> > 2) Kubuntu developers want ship the artwork of KDE without changes, it's ok
> > for us, but please, can you replace at least the kickoff icon with the
> > Kubuntu logo?
>
> This would remove upstream's branding which is something upstream
> don't want us to do (understandably).  KDE provides a space for distro
> logo in the kickoff menu which we use.
>
Ok, this is reasonable and I understand but why all the major distros
change the kickoff icon?
Is not a polemical but I like to know. :-)

> > 3) kde minor release on the official repository
>
> This is quite time consuming because it requires a lot of QA, and
> doesn't provide much benefit because the packags are already available
> in a PPA.  But Scott has said he wants to do it.
>
Thank you Scott. I hope in your works.
In fact, use the PPA for system updates is not always a good choose
because the "normal" users don't know that there may be not official
repository that make updates.
The users expect to happen automatically without add extra repository.
It is doubtful  that  the "normal" user visits regularly the Kubuntu
site.

> > 4) folder preview of the image folder by default in dolphin
>
> Upstream aren't keen on this, I think because it might slow it down
> and take up disk space.  But I would prefer it.  I'll see if I can
> turn it on for the next alpha.
>
OK, Thank you very much.

> > 5) kipi-plugins by default: kubuntu website shows them, but they aren't
> > installed by default
>
> Our CDs are currently oversized so we can't add anything more to them.
>
Is possible to do something similar to kubuntu-firefox-installer?
Kubuntu website shows them, but they aren't installed by default. This
is strange for me.

> > 6) Ship kaffeine or vlc by default instead of dragon player
>
> kaffeine doesn't use Phonon so features such as USB headphones don't
> work.  vlc has a very confusing UI.
>
Ok, I understand for kaffeine but not for VLC.
It's strange to say that VLC has a very confusing UI when instead this
is the most used opensource multimedia player.
All users install VLC because it is the only player that offers the
best experience and the best features that a modern multimedia player
must have.
Dragon player can't guarantee this.

> > 7) a faster installer, if possible
>
> The installer uses debian-installer which talks to debconf and that
> limits the speed between pages.
>
Ok, I understand.  So you can not do anything?

> > 8) can you add acpi-support-base package? (eeepc-acpi-scripts depend from
> > it)
>
> Neither of these packages exist in natty
>
> > 9) package for install root action (dolphin installer menu doesn't work,
> > it's a bug?)
>
> I'm not sure what you mean here, can you explain what the "dolphin
> installer menu" is?
>
About 8 and 9 items, maggsimo may better respond to you because he
knows better the problem.

Thanks a lot.

Giuseppe

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Re: Proposals for Natty from Ubuntu Italian User

[Jonathan Riddell]

On 22 January 2011 20:40,   wrote:
> 1) plymounth theme with the same color of KDE theme.

It's blue, what colour should it be?

> 2) Kubuntu developers want ship the artwork of KDE without changes, it's ok
> for us, but please, can you replace at least the kickoff icon with the
> Kubuntu logo?

This would remove upstream's branding which is something upstream
don't want us to do (understandably).  KDE provides a space for distro
logo in the kickoff menu which we use.

> 3) kde minor release on the official repository

This is quite time consuming because it requires a lot of QA, and
doesn't provide much benefit because the packags are already available
in a PPA.  But Scott has said he wants to do it.

> 4) folder preview of the image folder by default in dolphin

Upstream aren't keen on this, I think because it might slow it down
and take up disk space.  But I would prefer it.  I'll see if I can
turn it on for the next alpha.

> 5) kipi-plugins by default: kubuntu website shows them, but they aren't
> installed by default

Our CDs are currently oversized so we can't add anything more to them.

> 6) Ship kaffeine or vlc by default instead of dragon player

kaffeine doesn't use Phonon so features such as USB headphones don't
work.  vlc has a very confusing UI.

> 7) a faster installer, if possible

The installer uses debian-installer which talks to debconf and that
limits the speed between pages.

> 8) can you add acpi-support-base package? (eeepc-acpi-scripts depend from
> it)

Neither of these packages exist in natty

> 9) package for install root action (dolphin installer menu doesn't work,
> it's a bug?)

I'm not sure what you mean here, can you explain what the "dolphin
installer menu" is?

Thanks for the suggestions.

Jonathan

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Re: Proposals for Natty from Ubuntu Italian User

[Scott Kitterman]

On Saturday, January 22, 2011 03:40:22 pm maggs...@gmail.com wrote:
> 3) kde minor release on the official repository

This has been done for Lucid and will be done for Maverick shortly.  It was 
only recently that we got permission for the Ubuntu technical board to put 
point releases in the official repositories.

Scott K

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Re: Proposals for Natty from Ubuntu Italian User

[Simone Maggiani]

Thanks Rohan Garg and Alessandro for reply.

yes Alessandro, this is the problem.
1) when kubuntu team release package of minor relase on the official repo, 
kubuntu user used the nex major release from the ppa.
can you release them faster?

or is a problem?

2) kubuntu site write that whit kubuntu we can share and modify image from 
start, but it is false.

without kipi-plugins we can't make them.

this is a problem for user's expectations and user's experience.

can you find a space on the cd?
or add a install option on the ubiquity installer?
or add an install to the desktop (in example firefox installer)


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Re: Proposals for Natty from Ubuntu Italian User

[Alessandro Ghersi]

I'm reading the Italian forum, they are wondering where KDE 4.5.5 is.
If it was not clear, they asked in their email if it's possible to have 
minor release of KDE (i.e. 4.5.5) in the official repo  and not just in 
a ppa.
They know that KDE 4.4.5 was uploaded to Lucid in December, I think they 
think that this process is too slow,
since KDE 4.4.5 was due on June and they are using Maverick now. This 
probably mean that when we upload KDE 4.5.5 in the official repo for 
Maverick they will be already using Natty with KDE 4.6


Point 5, yes, this would probably increase the size of the CD, but we 
should put kipi-plugins in the seed or we should change the screenshot 
here: http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour#feature-tour-apps-graphics

That's what they meant.

Cheers
Alessandro

Il 22/01/2011 22:02, Rohan Garg ha scritto:

Hi maggsimo
Out of these points, point 3) has already been implemented starting 
from Lucid. Please see [1] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UpdatesPolicy
Points 5,6 and 8 would probably increase the size of the CD so it 
might not be possible, but then again, there's the possibility that 
there will be lzma compression on the ISO's which can help us in terms 
of what we can offer on the CD.

*
*
Regards
Rohan Garg



On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 2:10 AM, > wrote:


Hi Kubuntu Developers, we are a group of Kubuntu Users come from
Ubuntu-it forum and we would like share with you what we would
like to see in Natty. This is a little list of proposals. What do
you think about it? Thanks, regards.

1) plymounth theme with the same color of KDE theme.

2) Kubuntu developers want ship the artwork of KDE without
changes, it's ok for us, but please, can you replace at least the
kickoff icon with the Kubuntu logo?
It's just a little change in the artwork and users are asking for
long time now.

3) kde minor release on the official repository
4) folder preview of the image folder by default in dolphin
5) kipi-plugins by default: kubuntu website shows them, but they
aren't installed by default

6) Ship kaffeine or vlc by default instead of dragon player
7) a faster installer, if possible

8) can you add acpi-support-base package? (eeepc-acpi-scripts
depend from it)

9) package for install root action (dolphin installer menu doesn't
work, it's a bug?)

thanks a lot
ubuntu italian users


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Re: Proposals for Natty from Ubuntu Italian User

[Rohan Garg]

Hi maggsimo
Out of these points, point 3) has already been implemented starting from
Lucid. Please see [1] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UpdatesPolicy
Points 5,6 and 8 would probably increase the size of the CD so it might not
be possible, but then again, there's the possibility that there will be lzma
compression on the ISO's which can help us in terms of what we can offer on
the CD.
*
*
Regards
Rohan Garg



On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 2:10 AM,  wrote:

>  Hi Kubuntu Developers, we are a group of Kubuntu Users come from
> Ubuntu-it forum and we would like share with you what we would like to see
> in Natty. This is a little list of proposals. What do you think about it?
> Thanks, regards.
>
> 1) plymounth theme with the same color of KDE theme.
>
> 2) Kubuntu developers want ship the artwork of KDE without changes, it's ok
> for us, but please, can you replace at least the kickoff icon with the
> Kubuntu logo?
> It's just a little change in the artwork and users are asking for long time
> now.
>
> 3) kde minor release on the official repository
> 4) folder preview of the image folder by default in dolphin
> 5) kipi-plugins by default: kubuntu website shows them, but they aren't
> installed by default
>
> 6) Ship kaffeine or vlc by default instead of dragon player
> 7) a faster installer, if possible
>
> 8) can you add acpi-support-base package? (eeepc-acpi-scripts depend from
> it)
>
> 9) package for install root action (dolphin installer menu doesn't work,
> it's a bug?)
>
> thanks a lot
> ubuntu italian users
>
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Proposals for Natty from Ubuntu Italian User

[maggsimo]

Hi Kubuntu Developers, we are a group of Kubuntu Users come from Ubuntu-it 
forum and we would like share with you what we would like to see in Natty. 
This is a little list of proposals. What do you think about it? Thanks, 
regards.

1) plymounth theme with the same color of KDE theme. 

2) Kubuntu developers want ship the artwork of KDE without changes, it's ok 
for us, but please, can you replace at least the kickoff icon with the Kubuntu 
logo?
It's just a little change in the artwork and users are asking for long time 
now.
 
3) kde minor release on the official repository
4) folder preview of the image folder by default in dolphin
5) kipi-plugins by default: kubuntu website shows them, but they aren't 
installed by default

6) Ship kaffeine or vlc by default instead of dragon player
7) a faster installer, if possible

8) can you add acpi-support-base package? (eeepc-acpi-scripts depend from it)

9) package for install root action (dolphin installer menu doesn't work, it's 
a bug?)

thanks a lot
ubuntu italian users
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