Failure to boot CDROM with -drive arg

2008-07-08 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
The following two command lines should be identical from the user's
point of view:

# qemu-kvm -cdrom /home/berrange/boot.iso -boot d -m 500

# qemu-kvm -drive 
file=/home/berrange/boot.iso,if=ide,media=cdrom,index=2,boot=on -m 500

With the 2nd though, the initial CDROM syslinux loads, but fails to load
the graphical menu, and also fails to boot in text mode fallback:

  'vesamenu.c32: attempted DOS system call

(See screenshot: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=311221 )

I've reproduced this with both KVM 65 and 70, on a Fedora 9 host. The CDROM
boot.iso image I'm using here is the Fedora 9  $URL/images/boot.iso from
any standard Fedora install tree.

I can only imagine there's something different in the way extboot sets up
the CPU/pagetables during cdrom boot, but its rather beyond my skills

This was originally reported by a Fedora user here

  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=452355

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Re: Failure to boot CDROM with -drive arg

2008-07-08 Thread Laurent Vivier
Le mardi 08 juillet 2008 à 09:37 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange a écrit :
 The following two command lines should be identical from the user's
 point of view:
 
 # qemu-kvm -cdrom /home/berrange/boot.iso -boot d -m 500
 
 # qemu-kvm -drive 
 file=/home/berrange/boot.iso,if=ide,media=cdrom,index=2,boot=on -m 500
 

-cdrom /home/berrange/boot.iso is identical to
-drive file=/home/berrange/boot.iso,index=1,media=cdrom

with if=ide by default.

Could you try you command line without boot=on ?

 With the 2nd though, the initial CDROM syslinux loads, but fails to load
 the graphical menu, and also fails to boot in text mode fallback:
 
   'vesamenu.c32: attempted DOS system call
 
 (See screenshot: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=311221 )
 
 I've reproduced this with both KVM 65 and 70, on a Fedora 9 host. The CDROM
 boot.iso image I'm using here is the Fedora 9  $URL/images/boot.iso from
 any standard Fedora install tree.
 
 I can only imagine there's something different in the way extboot sets up
 the CPU/pagetables during cdrom boot, but its rather beyond my skills
 
 This was originally reported by a Fedora user here
 
   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=452355
 
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Re: Failure to boot CDROM with -drive arg

2008-07-08 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 10:48:18AM +0200, Laurent Vivier wrote:
 Le mardi 08 juillet 2008 à 09:37 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange a écrit :
  The following two command lines should be identical from the user's
  point of view:
  
  # qemu-kvm -cdrom /home/berrange/boot.iso -boot d -m 500
  
  # qemu-kvm -drive 
  file=/home/berrange/boot.iso,if=ide,media=cdrom,index=2,boot=on -m 500
  
 
 -cdrom /home/berrange/boot.iso is identical to
 -drive file=/home/berrange/boot.iso,index=1,media=cdrom
 
 with if=ide by default.
 
 Could you try you command line without boot=on ?

Yep, that works - so its clearly something todo with the extboot support

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Re: Failure to boot CDROM with -drive arg

2008-07-08 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 09:37:30AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
 The following two command lines should be identical from the user's
 point of view:
 
 # qemu-kvm -cdrom /home/berrange/boot.iso -boot d -m 500
 
 # qemu-kvm -drive 
 file=/home/berrange/boot.iso,if=ide,media=cdrom,index=2,boot=on -m 500

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1977971group_id=180599atid=893831

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Re: Failure to boot CDROM with -drive arg

2008-07-08 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 11:17:24AM +0200, Soren Hansen wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 09:37:30AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
  The following two command lines should be identical from the user's
  point of view:
  
  # qemu-kvm -cdrom /home/berrange/boot.iso -boot d -m 500
  
  # qemu-kvm -drive 
  file=/home/berrange/boot.iso,if=ide,media=cdrom,index=2,boot=on -m 500
 
 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1977971group_id=180599atid=893831

Ok, so basically this is saying that boot=on only works for media=disk.
I really don't like the fact that we now have 2 different ways of flagging
bootable disks, depending on whether want to use BIOS boot or extboot.

The management apps shouldn't have to make such a decision - QEMU should
be picking the most appropriate choice for us. ie, if we have boot=on
with an IDE cdrom, then QEMU should automatically do a BIOS boot instead
of extboot. This way if extboot gets improved, QEMU can update its logic
to correspond without needing to change all the management apps using
QEMU.

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Re: Failure to boot CDROM with -drive arg

2008-07-08 Thread Laurent Vivier
Le mardi 08 juillet 2008 à 11:17 +0200, Soren Hansen a écrit :
 On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 09:37:30AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
  The following two command lines should be identical from the user's
  point of view:
  
  # qemu-kvm -cdrom /home/berrange/boot.iso -boot d -m 500
  
  # qemu-kvm -drive 
  file=/home/berrange/boot.iso,if=ide,media=cdrom,index=2,boot=on -m 500
 
 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1977971group_id=180599atid=893831

yes, in fact media=cdrom,boot=on is not equal to -cdrom ... -boot d.
boot=on means use bios extension extboot with this drive, and using
extboot allows the bios to manage this device and to boot from it.

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Re: Failure to boot CDROM with -drive arg

2008-07-08 Thread Laurent Vivier
Le mardi 08 juillet 2008 à 10:21 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange a écrit :
 On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 11:17:24AM +0200, Soren Hansen wrote:
  On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 09:37:30AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
   The following two command lines should be identical from the user's
   point of view:
   
   # qemu-kvm -cdrom /home/berrange/boot.iso -boot d -m 500
   
   # qemu-kvm -drive 
   file=/home/berrange/boot.iso,if=ide,media=cdrom,index=2,boot=on -m 500
  
  http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1977971group_id=180599atid=893831
 
 Ok, so basically this is saying that boot=on only works for media=disk.
 I really don't like the fact that we now have 2 different ways of flagging
 bootable disks, depending on whether want to use BIOS boot or extboot.
 
 The management apps shouldn't have to make such a decision - QEMU should
 be picking the most appropriate choice for us. ie, if we have boot=on
 with an IDE cdrom, then QEMU should automatically do a BIOS boot instead
 of extboot. This way if extboot gets improved, QEMU can update its logic
 to correspond without needing to change all the management apps using
 QEMU.

I agree.

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Re: Failure to boot CDROM with -drive arg

2008-07-08 Thread Anthony Liguori

Daniel P. Berrange wrote:

On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 11:17:24AM +0200, Soren Hansen wrote:
  

On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 09:37:30AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:


The following two command lines should be identical from the user's
point of view:

# qemu-kvm -cdrom /home/berrange/boot.iso -boot d -m 500

# qemu-kvm -drive 
file=/home/berrange/boot.iso,if=ide,media=cdrom,index=2,boot=on -m 500
  

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1977971group_id=180599atid=893831



Ok, so basically this is saying that boot=on only works for media=disk.
I really don't like the fact that we now have 2 different ways of flagging
bootable disks, depending on whether want to use BIOS boot or extboot.
  


Semantically, boot=on means make this the first bootable hard disk.  
That's not to say that there shouldn't be a check.


If you did:

qemu-system-x86 -drive file=foo.img,boot=on -boot d

You would still boot from the cdrom.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori


The management apps shouldn't have to make such a decision - QEMU should
be picking the most appropriate choice for us. ie, if we have boot=on
with an IDE cdrom, then QEMU should automatically do a BIOS boot instead
of extboot. This way if extboot gets improved, QEMU can update its logic
to correspond without needing to change all the management apps using
QEMU.

Daniel
  


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Re: Failure to boot CDROM with -drive arg

2008-07-08 Thread Laurent Vivier
Le mardi 08 juillet 2008 à 08:01 -0500, Anthony Liguori a écrit :
 Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
  On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 11:17:24AM +0200, Soren Hansen wrote:

  On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 09:37:30AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
  
  The following two command lines should be identical from the user's
  point of view:
 
  # qemu-kvm -cdrom /home/berrange/boot.iso -boot d -m 500
 
  # qemu-kvm -drive 
  file=/home/berrange/boot.iso,if=ide,media=cdrom,index=2,boot=on -m 500

  http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1977971group_id=180599atid=893831
  
 
  Ok, so basically this is saying that boot=on only works for media=disk.
  I really don't like the fact that we now have 2 different ways of flagging
  bootable disks, depending on whether want to use BIOS boot or extboot.

 
 Semantically, boot=on means make this the first bootable hard disk.  
 That's not to say that there shouldn't be a check.
 
 If you did:
 
 qemu-system-x86 -drive file=foo.img,boot=on -boot d
 
 You would still boot from the cdrom.

So, boot=on means in fact bootable=true

Regards,
Laurent
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Re: Failure to boot CDROM with -drive arg

2008-07-08 Thread Anthony Liguori

Laurent Vivier wrote:

So, boot=on means in fact bootable=true
  


I guess.  I don't know that the later is more clear.  I think the source 
of the confusion is the entire concept of first bootable harddisk 
which is what -boot c really means.


FWIW, the reason media=cdrom,boot=on doesn't work, is that a CDROM's 
boot record is in el torito format instead of the traditional BIOS boot 
sector.


media=cdrom,boot=on would work if the image was a disk image instead of 
an ISO.


In fact, I'm inclined to think that media=cdrom,boot=on should not be 
explicitly prohibited because of this fact.


Regards,

Anthony Liguori


Regards,
Laurent
  


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