Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Account activation for pootle service

2011-02-07 Thread Danishka Navin
Hi Rimas,

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Rimas Kudelis  wrote:

> Hi Danishka,
>
> 2011.02.04 16:16, Danishka Navin rašė:
>
>  I could not find my account activation mail.
>>
>> Pls help me on activating my account 'danishka' for Sinhala (si) locale.
>>
>
> It took me three days, but now it's done. Your account is activated. Please
> forgive me for the delay.
>
>
its ok. thanks for the  support :)

Regards,
Danishka

> Best regards and good luck in your work,
> Rimas
>
>


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Estonian update

2011-02-07 Thread Andras Timar
2011/2/7 Mihkel Tõnnov :
> Hi *,
> I finally managed to get OOo's Estonian translation and quickly
> updated/adapted it for upcoming LibO 3.3.1 release. I hope I'm not too late
> -- the "[libreoffice-l10n] Translation deadline changed?" thread suggests
> not :)
>
> Anyway: https://et.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/ET-temp/GSI_et.sdf.bz2
> I used libreoffice-3-3-en-US-2011-02-01.* files from
> http://login.kristshell.net/~olorin/
> There were some warnings at creation time, all like "po2oo: warning: No
> template at None. Skipping blaah.po", but I t think/hope that's nothing
> disastrous.
Hi Mikhel,

I commited your new translation. It is somewhat incomplete, but better
that it was in the l10n repository.

Best regards,
Andras

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Updated breton translation and request for UI pootle setting

2011-02-07 Thread Rimas Kudelis

Hello,


2011.02.05. 16:58 keltezéssel, Drouizig írta:

Here is an updated breton translation,
http://meskach.free.fr/arbo/LibO/br-FR.sdf.gz
and po files, if needed.
http://meskach.free.fr/arbo/LibO/LibO.tar.bz2
The sdf passed the gsicheck.



Breton imported and updated from templates. Are the numbers as expected?

Rimas

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Account activation for pootle service

2011-02-07 Thread Rimas Kudelis

Hi Danishka,

2011.02.04 16:16, Danishka Navin rašė:

I could not find my account activation mail.

Pls help me on activating my account 'danishka' for Sinhala (si) locale.


It took me three days, but now it's done. Your account is activated. 
Please forgive me for the delay.


Best regards and good luck in your work,
Rimas


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n of LibreOffice 3.3.1

2011-02-07 Thread Olivier Hallot

Rimas
I am happy! :-)
Olivier

On 06-02-2011 18:16, Rimas Kudelis wrote:

Hello Olivier,

2011.02.06 11:47, Olivier Hallot wrote:

I don't think I have the rights to create a new project for pt-BR and
and upload these files. Can you do that for me?


Done,

Rimas




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[libreoffice-l10n] Branch libreoffice-3-3-1 created

2011-02-07 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi all,

Similarly to the release of 3.3.0, we have created a branch for the
stabilization of the 3.3.1, called 'libreoffice-3-3-1'.  It is not based
on a tag yet, Petr will tag tomorrow.

The following rules apply:

+ any commit has to be reviewed by 3 people
+ preferably commit only translation fixes, or blocker fixes
+ only cherry-pick from the libreoffice-3-3 branch

The 'libreoffice-3-3' branch is still active, will be used for the next
bugfix release (3.3.2), and has the following rules:

+ any commit needs review by 1 person
+ only safe fixes are allowed
+ changes are regularly merged into master

The 'master' branch is used for 3.4 development and has the rules:

+ free commit; do your best to do not break build and
  functionality
+ any development allowed

For further information about the roadmap, please check

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan

Now, if you want to switch your clone to the libreoffice-3-3-1 branch,
do:

git pull -r
bin/g pull -r
git checkout -b libreoffice-3-3-1 origin/libreoffice-3-3-1
bin/g checkout -b libreoffice-3-3-1 origin/libreoffice-3-3-1

Hopefully it will work for you :-)  Most probably, you will also want to
do (if you haven't done it yet):

git config --global push.default tracking

When you do git push with this, git will push only the branch you are
on; ie. libreoffice-3-3-1 when you have switched to it.  This will
save you some git shouting at you.

Happy hacking,
Kendy


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n of LibreOffice 3.3.1

2011-02-07 Thread Andras Timar
2011.02.05. 11:58 keltezéssel, Rhoslyn Prys írta:
> The Welsh translation of 3.3 included some English strings. I should
> have flagged up that there was a gap between the translation on Pavel's
> server and the latest on the OO.o Pootle server.The latest Welsh
> translation of OO.o is on the Pootle server. I'm having difficulty
> accessing it at present (Permission Denied!) but it's nearly all there.
> Thanks.
> 
> Rhos
> 
Hi Rhos,

We did not used what was on Pavel's server. Last change to Welsh
translation in l10n module was on 2009-05-28 - quite a long ago. :( For
the next bugfix and l10n fix release of LibreOffice (3.3.2) we can sort
this out. I suggest that you use TDF Pootle. I can help in converting
your OOo translations for LibreOffice. Let me know what you think.

Best regards,
Andras


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n of LibreOffice 3.3.1

2011-02-07 Thread Rimas Kudelis

2011.02.07 20:41, Martin Srebotnjak rašė:

2011/2/7 Andras Timar


Done, I think, and with backups this time. Care to check if the numbers
are as expected? :)


Looks perfect, because en-GB which was fully complete has only those 164
words untranslated which came from vcl/source/src/print.src. Good job. :)


This check is for Pootle languages only? Slovenian should look 100% but I
submitted an sdf file, so you probably can't check it.


Yes. As you can see, Slovenian is not even imported.

Rimas


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n of LibreOffice 3.3.1

2011-02-07 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
2011/2/7 Andras Timar 

> > Done, I think, and with backups this time. Care to check if the numbers
> > are as expected? :)
> >
>
> Looks perfect, because en-GB which was fully complete has only those 164
> words untranslated which came from vcl/source/src/print.src. Good job. :)
>

This check is for Pootle languages only? Slovenian should look 100% but I
submitted an sdf file, so you probably can't check it.

Lp, m.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n of LibreOffice 3.3.1

2011-02-07 Thread Andras Timar
2011.02.07. 18:51 keltezéssel, Rimas Kudelis írta:
> 2011.02.07 00:11, Andras Timar rašė:
>> 2011.02.06. 22:24 keltezéssel, Olav Dahlum írta:
>>> How soon can we get templates to work with? 
>> Now.
>> http://ftp.fsf.hu/LibreOffice/libreoffice-3-3-en-US-2011-02-06-UI.pot.tar.bz2
>>
>> http://ftp.fsf.hu/LibreOffice/libreoffice-3-3-en-US-2011-02-06-help.pot.tar.bz2
>>
>> bug#1632 was fixed and libreoffice-3-3-en-US-2011-02-01.sdf was used as
>> SDF template.
>>
>> Rimas, is it possible to easily update existing translations in
>> "LibreOffice 3.3.x – Merged Help" and "LibreOffice 3.3.x – Merged UI"
>> modules with these new POT files?
> 
> Done, I think, and with backups this time. Care to check if the numbers
> are as expected? :)
> 
Looks perfect, because en-GB which was fully complete has only those 164
words untranslated which came from vcl/source/src/print.src. Good job. :)

Many thanks,
Andras

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n of LibreOffice 3.3.1

2011-02-07 Thread Rimas Kudelis

2011.02.07 00:11, Andras Timar rašė:

2011.02.06. 22:24 keltezéssel, Olav Dahlum írta:
How soon can we get templates to work with? 

Now.
http://ftp.fsf.hu/LibreOffice/libreoffice-3-3-en-US-2011-02-06-UI.pot.tar.bz2
http://ftp.fsf.hu/LibreOffice/libreoffice-3-3-en-US-2011-02-06-help.pot.tar.bz2
bug#1632 was fixed and libreoffice-3-3-en-US-2011-02-01.sdf was used as
SDF template.

Rimas, is it possible to easily update existing translations in
"LibreOffice 3.3.x – Merged Help" and "LibreOffice 3.3.x – Merged UI"
modules with these new POT files?


Done, I think, and with backups this time. Care to check if the numbers 
are as expected? :)


Rimas


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[libreoffice-l10n] Estonian update

2011-02-07 Thread Mihkel Tõnnov
Hi *,
I finally managed to get OOo's Estonian translation and quickly
updated/adapted it for upcoming LibO 3.3.1 release. I hope I'm not too late
-- the "[libreoffice-l10n] Translation deadline changed?" thread suggests
not :)

Anyway: https://et.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/ET-temp/GSI_et.sdf.bz2
I used libreoffice-3-3-en-US-2011-02-01.* files from
http://login.kristshell.net/~olorin/
There were some warnings at creation time, all like "po2oo: warning: No
template at None. Skipping blaah.po", but I t think/hope that's nothing
disastrous.

Best regards,
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Re: [Libreoffice] [libreoffice-l10n] A possible future for LO help/lang packs?

2011-02-07 Thread Michael Meeks

On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 13:12 +0100, Andre Schnabel wrote:
> > Von: Martin Srebotnjak 
..
> > just thinking loud (hope it is not too loud): is it possible to* make 
> > help packs into extensions* (oxt files)? 

Sounds (to me) like a really good idea :-) May not work well for Linux
- where you want the help installed in the system, but that is different
enough anyway.

> I tried this briefly for one of the LibO beta versions. In theory
> the mechanism is there but in reality I ended up with a mix of
> English and German help. Maybe this could be fixed, but the no-go
> for me was that the activation of the extension took about half an hour
> (on a Windows7 DualCore AMD PC).

Lol :-) that does sound deadly silly.

> It does already, but currently it builds index files on installing /
> activating the extension what takes a lot of time. I have no idea
> if we could "prebuild" the index and put this into the extension.

Oh - we can certainly special case / disable that for our extensions
that already come with a pre-built help index. Better, we should speed
up the indexing with clucene; but that is all quite do-able. It would
help to have a stack trace of quite how the slowness gets called in that
case though (if that is possible to get on Windows).

Martin - is that something you might be interested in working on ?
and/or if not - could you add it as an easy hack - which will need some
research doing on it to make it easy [ samples of other code that packs
extensions, thoughts on solving path problems on Mac vs. Windows etc. ].

ATB,

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] A bug that could be a stopper for the L10N community

2011-02-07 Thread Rimas Kudelis

Hi,

2011.02.07 17:00, Sophie Gautier rašė:

On 07/02/2011 17:45, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Martin Srebotnjak  
wrote:

http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=58014
It is quite relevant for L10N teams and international users, even more
for users that have spell-checking, thesaurus and grammar needs in the
languages of their preference. It is present in OOo for a long time,
but there was no will to squash it.


There is no easy fix for this, due to the way it works on windows.
There are static dummy-document that are then in turn copied to the
location where you invoke the contextmenu→New function.

So LO/OOo could only fix it by recognizing on open that it is a
"shellnew" document and then replace it by itself using a document
based on the default template.
This is no problem if only OOo/LO is used to modify the documents, but
of course when other applications are used to edit the documents,
they'd ignore that property and then you risk that LO/OOo will throw
away the existing changes when not checking for modifications, etc.


Thanks for your analysis Christian.



Is it possible the L10N list would nominate this bug as a stopper for
LO3.4 or 3.3.2 or whichever version of LO?


Well, without a proposed fix


I agree on that that couldn't be a stopper, however there is a lot of 
duplicates on the issue, so it shows that it is often meet by a 
certain population of users.
What I wanted to do is open the bug on our own tracker to have it in 
our radar and ask Fridrich to have a look at it.


Here's a possible solution:

step 1) don't put the files into the ShellNew folder. Quick googling 
reveals, that entries can be added to the New File menu using the 
registry instead of the template file. In that case, an empty file is 
being created.
step 2) alter LibO's behaviour: when it's given an empty (0-byte) file 
to open, it should initialize it using the default template instead of 
doing what it does now. And here's what it does:
  * Writer presents a transcode dialog (which makes absolutely no sense 
since the amount of data to transcode is 0)
  * Math creates a valid archive instead of the file, but the archive 
totally empty, and Math's UI is not shown. It looks like Math simply quits
  * I haven't checked other applications. By the way, I gave Math as an 
example just because we don't provide a template for it, so it was quite 
easy to check quickly


Another option would be to suggest the user to change the document 
language if no language is set for a document. But that would be quite 
annoying...


Rimas


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] A bug that could be a stopper for the L10N community

2011-02-07 Thread Sophie Gautier

Hi all,
On 07/02/2011 17:45, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi *,

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:


I already mentioned this bug some time ago on this list, I think:


It helps to at least mention what you're talking about in the subject.
Please choose a more telling subject next time.


http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=58014
It is quite relevant for L10N teams and international users, even more
for users that have spell-checking, thesaurus and grammar needs in the
languages of their preference. It is present in OOo for a long time,
but there was no will to squash it.


There is no easy fix for this, due to the way it works on windows.
There are static dummy-document that are then in turn copied to the
location where you invoke the contextmenu→New function.

So LO/OOo could only fix it by recognizing on open that it is a
"shellnew" document and then replace it by itself using a document
based on the default template.
This is no problem if only OOo/LO is used to modify the documents, but
of course when other applications are used to edit the documents,
they'd ignore that property and then you risk that LO/OOo will throw
away the existing changes when not checking for modifications, etc.


Thanks for your analysis Christian.



Is it possible the L10N list would nominate this bug as a stopper for
LO3.4 or 3.3.2 or whichever version of LO?


Well, without a proposed fix


I agree on that that couldn't be a stopper, however there is a lot of 
duplicates on the issue, so it shows that it is often meet by a certain 
population of users.
What I wanted to do is open the bug on our own tracker to have it in our 
radar and ask Fridrich to have a look at it.


Kind regards
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] A bug that could be a stopper for the L10N community

2011-02-07 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:
> 2011/2/7 Christian Lohmaier 
>
>> It helps to at least mention what you're talking about in the subject.
>> Please choose a more telling subject next time.
>>
>
> Thanks for your free lesson, but there is also something called "suspense":
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspense

No, it is a matter of attitude (my post is the most important, so
everybody must read it). Many people on this list don't have just this
list subscribed, but easily receive hundred messages a day. Not using
a telling summary is either stealing their time, or just taking the
risk of not being read at all.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] A bug that could be a stopper for the L10N community

2011-02-07 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
2011/2/7 Christian Lohmaier 

> It helps to at least mention what you're talking about in the subject.
> Please choose a more telling subject next time.
>

Thanks for your free lesson, but there is also something called "suspense":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspense

Lp, m.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] A bug that could be a stopper for the L10N community

2011-02-07 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *,

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:
>
> I already mentioned this bug some time ago on this list, I think:

It helps to at least mention what you're talking about in the subject.
Please choose a more telling subject next time.

> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=58014
> It is quite relevant for L10N teams and international users, even more
> for users that have spell-checking, thesaurus and grammar needs in the
> languages of their preference. It is present in OOo for a long time,
> but there was no will to squash it.

There is no easy fix for this, due to the way it works on windows.
There are static dummy-document that are then in turn copied to the
location where you invoke the contextmenu→New function.

So LO/OOo could only fix it by recognizing on open that it is a
"shellnew" document and then replace it by itself using a document
based on the default template.
This is no problem if only OOo/LO is used to modify the documents, but
of course when other applications are used to edit the documents,
they'd ignore that property and then you risk that LO/OOo will throw
away the existing changes when not checking for modifications, etc.

> Is it possible the L10N list would nominate this bug as a stopper for
> LO3.4 or 3.3.2 or whichever version of LO?

Well, without a proposed fix

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [Libreoffice] Mac builds / lang-packs ...

2011-02-07 Thread Rimas Kudelis

2011.02.07 13:17, Thorsten Behrens rašė:

Michael Meeks wrote:

Would it not be better in 3.4 (when we have solved the size issues) to
have a single download (like Windows) that includes all the languages,
and have an optional help-pack ?


Yep - though I don't really like the installer concept on mac, I
guess I'd then prefer to install all those langs unconditionally. If
that turns out to cause issues, we can discuss other options.


Well, all languages together (incl. help packs) would certainly take up 
a considerable amount of space.


BTW, Mac OS X has a built-in package installer, which, while doesn't 
support uninstallation, seems to do everything else that we may need. 
Here's a HOWTO about it:

http://s.sudre.free.fr/Stuff/PackageMaker_Howto.html

In the second half of this document, there's information about making a 
metapackage, which is basically what we would need to make installing 
languages optional. With screenshots! ;)


Rimas


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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [Libreoffice] A possible future for LO help/lang packs?

2011-02-07 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Note that we don't want the situation were all UI languages are equal, but one 
UI language is more equal than the others.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] A possible future for LO help/lang packs?

2011-02-07 Thread Rimas Kudelis

Hi Martin,

2011.02.07 13:37, Martin Srebotnjak rašė:

Hi,
just thinking loud (hope it is not too loud): is it possible to* make help
packs into extensions* (oxt files)? Could this also be done with the
lang-packs?

The benefits:
- *smaller file size*: extensions are great, because they are not
executables and all the execution/installation code already lies within
LO/OOo;
- *lower cost of building/hosting*: a help pack would need to be built just
once for all supported (and unsupported) operating systems;
- *user-friendly*: a help pack can be dropped onto Extension Manager,
double-clicked etc. It can also be downloaded at the last phase of the
installation process with an installer on Windows and Linux etc. (an
installer downloading and running another installer seems not so nice).
- *localizer-friendly*: maybe Pootle server could be extended to generate
helppacks (langpacks) daily/weekly or by demand - for testing purposes as
well as for the release purposes;

The drawbacks:
- the extension framework maybe needs to be extended a bit to support help
installation via extensions (but if needed at all that seems a reasonable
investment to me, not knowing how much work that would present :) );


I think that it's a VERY VERY VERY good idea. ;)

Rimas


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] A possible future for LO help/lang packs?

2011-02-07 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

> Von: Martin Srebotnjak 
> An: l10n@libreoffice.org

> just thinking loud (hope it is not too loud): is it possible to* make 
> help packs into extensions* (oxt files)? 

I tried this briefly for one of the LibO beta versions. In theory
the mechanism is there but in reality I ended up with a mix of
English and German help. Maybe this could be fixed, but the no-go
for me was that the activation of the extension took about half an hour
(on a Windows7 DualCore AMD PC).

...
> 
> The drawbacks:
> - the extension framework maybe needs to be extended a bit to support help

It does already, but currently it builds index files on installing /
activating the extension what takes a lot of time. I have no idea
if we could "prebuild" the index and put this into the extension.

Regards,

André

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[libreoffice-l10n] A possible future for LO help/lang packs?

2011-02-07 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Hi,
just thinking loud (hope it is not too loud): is it possible to* make help
packs into extensions* (oxt files)? Could this also be done with the
lang-packs?

The benefits:
- *smaller file size*: extensions are great, because they are not
executables and all the execution/installation code already lies within
LO/OOo;
- *lower cost of building/hosting*: a help pack would need to be built just
once for all supported (and unsupported) operating systems;
- *user-friendly*: a help pack can be dropped onto Extension Manager,
double-clicked etc. It can also be downloaded at the last phase of the
installation process with an installer on Windows and Linux etc. (an
installer downloading and running another installer seems not so nice).
- *localizer-friendly*: maybe Pootle server could be extended to generate
helppacks (langpacks) daily/weekly or by demand - for testing purposes as
well as for the release purposes;

The drawbacks:
- the extension framework maybe needs to be extended a bit to support help
installation via extensions (but if needed at all that seems a reasonable
investment to me, not knowing how much work that would present :) );

Lp, m.

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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [Libreoffice] Mac builds / lang-packs ...

2011-02-07 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Michael Meeks wrote:
>   Would it not be better in 3.4 (when we have solved the size issues) to
> have a single download (like Windows) that includes all the languages,
> and have an optional help-pack ?
> 
Yep - though I don't really like the installer concept on mac, I
guess I'd then prefer to install all those langs unconditionally. If
that turns out to cause issues, we can discuss other options.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten

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[libreoffice-l10n] A bug that could be a stopper for the L10N community

2011-02-07 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Hello,

I already mentioned this bug some time ago on this list, I think:
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=58014
It is quite relevant for L10N teams and international users, even more
for users that have spell-checking, thesaurus and grammar needs in the
languages of their preference. It is present in OOo for a long time,
but there was no will to squash it.
Is it possible the L10N list would nominate this bug as a stopper for
LO3.4 or 3.3.2 or whichever version of LO?

Thanks, m.

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