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[libreoffice-l10n] separator of arguments for functions in USA locale

[Lera]

Hi everyone,

I have a strange question, but, in my opinion, we have a  very big trouble in 
our Help.
All functions have semicolon (;) as the separator of arguments in the Help for 
the USA locale . But If Options (Tools -> Options -> Language Setting -> 
Locale setting) are set in English (USA), then comma (,) is  the separator of 
argument (See Tools -> Options -> LibreOffice Calc -> Function).

We need to change either all functions of the Help or USA locale by default.

Where is the mistake?

Best regards,
Lera

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Video Tutorial Link in Help

[Olivier Hallot]

Hi

This is my personal and rant opinion: I don't watch tutorials videos
because they are boring 99% of the time.

The only exception I know that stick me in a tutorial is to watch
wink[1] tutorials/sketches.

Wink takes timed frames of the screen/window in a tutorial sequence and
chain them into Macromedia flash screens where there is room to insert
callouts, audio, extra images and mouse movements. These
sketches/callouts can be translated.

A 30 sec wink sketch is extremely effective. The user control the pace
of the sketch: pause / backward / forward. The flash files can be easily
packed, distributed and linked in our help system and even hosted in TDF
infra.

Wink use Macromedia Flash as output. That is an issue. I have not found
any equivalent technology open source (HTML5?) and wink does to seem to
be very active these days, although the author is still alive in forums.

[1] http://www.debugmode.com/wink/

My 2 cents.

Kind regards

Olivier


Em 09/12/2015 16:50, Sophie Gautier escreveu:
> Hi Robert, all,
> Le 9 déc. 2015 18:33, "Joel Madero"  a écrit :
>>
>> Sorry didn't include Robert in the message - adding him. @Robert - please
> read below.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Joel Madero  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Robert,
>>>
>>> So the news is not good (at least in my opinion). Of course you can
> continue doing the videos but it seems like because you can't speak in 200
> languages we can't link it in the help files. Having English only would
> interfere with locale teams (I'm still unclear how but I'm no expert there
> and one of the experts has guaranteed me that such a link would have dire
> affects on the community).
> 
> So let me reformulate it a bit differently. First Robert, thanks a lot for
> your contributions.
> What we do not want in localised version is content in en_US language. Even
> if the sound is translated, UI still will be in English and it's very
> difficult to focus on what you learn when all what you see is in a foreign
> language.
>>>
>>> So what you could do is just create a youtube channel and post the
> videos...obviously visibility would be substantially less but, that's where
> we are.
> 
> There are lot of other ways to advertise content created by the community.
> For example post each uploaded video to a twitter dedicated account linked
> to a FB and G+ pages,  post to the documentation blog, etc
>>>
>>> You could then create a wiki somewhere useful that links to your videos.
>>>
> 
> That's another possibility and link it to the site
>>> Wish I had better news - I'm still looking into the possibilities but
> right now there seems to be a big blocker in getting such a cool addition
> to the product.
> 
> Yes for the product, that does not mean it's the only way to give
> visibility to Robert's contributions.
> Cheers
> Sophie
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Sophie  wrote:

 Sorry for the direct message, was suppose to go on the list
 Cheers
 Sophie


  Message transféré 
 Sujet : Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Video Tutorial Link in Help
 Date : Wed, 9 Dec 2015 18:00:35 +0100
 De : Sophie 
 Pour : Joel Madero 

 Hi Joel,
 Le 09/12/2015 17:35, Joel Madero a écrit :
> Hi All,
>
> We have a volunteer (Robert Alexander) who has started making some
> tutorial
> videos that are supposed to coincide with help files.
>
> My hope is that we can figure out some way to link these files within
> the
> help itself. Any thoughts on that being a possibility? If we use
> youtube
> (at least at the beginning) I believe that translating is possible for
> subtitles.
>
> A couple examples are below:
> https://youtu.be/Q8V-5yeTHCM
> https://youtu.be/DtEzyM28rlc
>
>
> Thoughts much appreciated. This would obviously be an ongoing task
> but I
> think that having tutorials for lots of features would be quite
> helpful for
> those who aren't capable or interested in reading help files (for
> whatever
> reason).

 But UI will still be in English, and handling translations in Youtube is
 not really ideal. Also, lot of people don't have external internet
 access or have YT blocked in their company so they won't be able to
 access them anyway.

 The best would be to create a dedicated playlist on TDF channel like we
 have done for French, see:
 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0pdzjvYW9RFl1ZRu8MkE3QxWQSt7Xktk
 and link it to the documentation on the wiki.

 Cheers
 Sophie

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Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle: something goes wrong

[Serg Bormant]

Hi,

2015-12-07 0:53 GMT+03:00 Christian Lohmaier
:
> Why do translators never ever provide concrete examples?
It is because translators cannot download files that Pootle shows for
them to run diff with files that thay can download by "Download for
offline translation" Pootle link. Maybe...

> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Serg Bormant  wrote:
>>
>> Pootle shows wrong statistics, doesn't show incomplete items and
>> cannot find them with search as compared with downloaded for offline
>> translation files.
>
> So what makes you think the online version is wrong?

Online version has no msgids from offline version and Beta1/Beta2 builds.
Online version indicates that these files are translated and has no
incomplete items:

>> basic/source/classic.po
>> fpicker/source/office.po
>> fpicker/uiconfig/ui.po
>> framework/source/classes.po
>> svtools/source/dialogs.po

Offline files have incomplete items:

basic/source/classic.po (mistype classic->classes)

$ grep -c '#, fuzzy' basic/source/classes.po
120


fpicker/source/office.po

#. URCNr
#: iodlg.src
msgctxt ""
"iodlg.src\n"
"STR_SVT_DELETESERVICE\n"
"string.text"
msgid ""
"Are you sure you want to delete the service?\n"
"\"$servicename$\""
msgstr ""

#. mNia4
#: iodlg.src
msgctxt ""
"iodlg.src\n"
"STR_SVT_ROOTLABEL\n"
"string.text"
msgid "Root"
msgstr ""


fpicker/uiconfig/ui.po

#. JLY9K
#: remotefilesdialog.ui
msgctxt ""
"remotefilesdialog.ui\n"
"RemoteFilesDialog\n"
"title\n"
"string.text"
msgid "Remote Files"
msgstr ""

#. BCwok
#: remotefilesdialog.ui
msgctxt ""
"remotefilesdialog.ui\n"
"label1\n"
"label\n"
"string.text"
msgid "Service:"
msgstr ""

#. dAQYU
#: remotefilesdialog.ui
msgctxt ""
"remotefilesdialog.ui\n"
"add_service_btn\n"
"label\n"
"string.text"
msgid "Add service"
msgstr ""

#. GXqEP
#: remotefilesdialog.ui
#, fuzzy
msgctxt ""
"remotefilesdialog.ui\n"
"new_folder\n"
"tooltip_markup\n"
"string.text"
msgid "Create New Folder"
msgstr "Создать папку"

#. PBxfr
#: remotefilesdialog.ui
#, fuzzy
msgctxt ""
"remotefilesdialog.ui\n"
"new_folder\n"
"tooltip_text\n"
"string.text"
msgid "Create New Folder"
msgstr "Создать папку"

#. gbyyk
#: remotefilesdialog.ui
msgctxt ""
"remotefilesdialog.ui\n"
"filterLabel\n"
"label\n"
"string.text"
msgid "Filter"
msgstr ""

#. HBGsG
#: remotefilesdialog.ui
#, fuzzy
msgctxt ""
"remotefilesdialog.ui\n"
"nameLabel\n"
"label\n"
"string.text"
msgid "File name"
msgstr "Имя файла:"

#. DzJeB
#: remotefilesdialog.ui
msgctxt ""
"remotefilesdialog.ui\n"
"edit_service\n"
"label\n"
"string.text"
msgid "_Edit service"
msgstr ""

#. GaWxu
#: remotefilesdialog.ui
msgctxt ""
"remotefilesdialog.ui\n"
"delete_service\n"
"label\n"
"string.text"
msgid "_Delete service"
msgstr ""

#. yVyHC
#: remotefilesdialog.ui
msgctxt ""
"remotefilesdialog.ui\n"
"change_password\n"
"label\n"
"string.text"
msgid "_Change password"
msgstr ""


svtools/source/dialogs.po

#. E7CN5
#: filedlg2.src
msgctxt ""
"filedlg2.src\n"
"STR_SVT_DEFAULT_SERVICE_LABEL\n"
"string.text"
msgid "$user$'s $service$"
msgstr ""


/framework/source/classes.po

Yesterday, there was no
#. h8qeJ
#: resource.src
msgctxt ""
"resource.src\n"
"STR_OPEN_REMOTE\n"
"string.text"
msgid "Open remote file"
msgstr "Открыть файл удалённо"

#. 3ixFo
#: resource.src
msgctxt ""
"resource.src\n"
"STR_REMOTE_FILE\n"
"string.text"
msgid "Save Remote File..."
msgstr "Сохранить файл удалённо..."

#. QECTZ
#: resource.src
msgctxt ""
"resource.src\n"
"STR_REMOTE_TITLE\n"
"string.text"
msgid " (Remote)"
msgstr " (удалённо)"

Today they are:
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/ru/libo_ui/translate/framework/source/classes.po#unit=101022602
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/ru/libo_ui/translate/framework/source/classes.po#unit=101022603
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/ru/libo_ui/translate/framework/source/classes.po#unit=101022604


>> Downloaded files has more incomplete items in
>
> ...and not the downloaded copy?
>
> has been mentioned couple of times that when you do offline
> translation and upload files those changes aren't properly reflected
> and that the export then might not contain all changes.
>
> so please give concrete examples that you think are untranslated, but
> not available in pootle.

See above, please.

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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Video Tutorial Link in Help

[Sophie]

Hi Robert,
Le 10/12/2015 02:07, Robert Alexander a écrit :
> Hi everyone,
> thank you all for putting so much consideration into this discussion.
> 
> I am quite happy to independently create tutorial videos for LibreOffice if
> it turns out that this is the best route for the project as a whole. I was
> originally going to do that, but decided it would be good to get in touch
> in case you needed specific kinds of tutorials. So whatever happens, my
> plan is to make LibreOffice tutorials for the foreseeable future.

Thank you very much for that. We have an official TDF channel on YouTube
if you are interested to reference or upload your videos there. For now,
the only ones that are referenced are those done by
TheFrugalComputerGuy, see [1] for Writer for example. In any case, I'm
managing the channel for the moment so don't hesitate to poke me.
> 
> My current workflow means that I create transcripts(technically scripts) of
> my videos, which may be helpful to you as no one will have to go back and
> create them if they are needed.
ok, for the rest, I let you see with the documentation team. Lera has a
very good overview of where the documentation is aiming, so I'm sure you
will be able to find a way together.


[1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL94682FC0D2ADF410

Cheers
Sophie

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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Video Tutorial Link in Help

[Joel Madero]

> I have read the thread, but being in bed with flu since this morning I
> could not replicate. I think that help videos are a great marketing
> tool, which we can use in several ways. Once I am out of the flu, I will
> get in touch with Robert (and Joel) to keep this ball rolling. Best, Italo

Best to keep Sophi in the loop also as she has a very different
interpretation of how to proceed.


Best,
Joel

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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Video Tutorial Link in Help

[Joel Madero]

> So let me reformulate it a bit differently. First Robert, thanks a lot
> for your contributions.
> What we do not want in localised version is content in en_US language.
> Even if the sound is translated, UI still will be in English and it's
> very difficult to focus on what you learn when all what you see is in
> a foreign language.
>

Just for full transparency here. Sophie and I had an extended talk on
chat and I'm of the belief that to prevent this from getting into help
files because other locales aren't doing the same is not the smartest
way to move forward. I instead would prefer including it and then
supporting locales to do the same - in the respective languages, with
the right GUI, etcThese then would be linked in the locales help
files and it would empower the community, expand on the product, and
give visibility to a great tool (videos that literally show exactly how
to use features).

To prevent a significant chunk of our user base to have this tool is
problematic. The solution of having a much much less visible "solution"
is not in the best interest of our users.

I'd prefer discussing a better solution, one where we can agree that the
tool is awesome for users, that the more visibility the better, and one
that empowers contributors to follow Robert's lead and developer
tutorial videos in their respective languages.

I look forward to hearing Italo's thoughts after he has healed :)

Best,
Joel


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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Video Tutorial Link in Help

[Joel Madero]

Sounds great Robert! I'm still trying to figure out how we can link in
the help files as I really do think that will be the most beneficial for
our user base. I'm going to reach out to a couple developers and so long
as we can find something that:

1) Doesn't impact local teams workflow;
2) Allows for easy translation for any other contributors

I think we can move forward but it will require some backend work. Let
me poke around but if you create a channel and start creating videos
that coincide with help files that will be fantastic.

Thanks again for your great work :)


Best,
Joel

On 12/09/2015 05:07 PM, Robert Alexander wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> thank you all for putting so much consideration into this discussion.
>
> I am quite happy to independently create tutorial videos for
> LibreOffice if it turns out that this is the best route for the
> project as a whole. I was originally going to do that, but decided it
> would be good to get in touch in case you needed specific kinds of
> tutorials. So whatever happens, my plan is to make LibreOffice
> tutorials for the foreseeable future.
>
> My current workflow means that I create transcripts(technically
> scripts) of my videos, which may be helpful to you as no one will have
> to go back and create them if they are needed.
>
> Regards,
> Robert
>
> On 10 December 2015 at 00:46, Robinson Tryon
> mailto:bishop.robin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Sophie wrote:
> >> What we do not want in localised version is content in en_US
> language.
> >> Even if the sound is translated, UI still will be in English
> and it's
> >> very difficult to focus on what you learn when all what you see
> is in
> >> a foreign language.
>
> In terms of the content that we provide on a per-language basis, I
> agree that it's important to be able to provide consistency to those
> users who desire it. For those who wish to see only content in
> language XYZ, then we should strive to show them only content in XYZ.
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Joel Madero  > wrote:
> > Just for full transparency here. Sophie and I had an extended
> talk on
> > chat and I'm of the belief that to prevent this from getting
> into help
> > files because other locales aren't doing the same is not the
> smartest
> > way to move forward. I instead would prefer including it and then
> > supporting locales to do the same - in the respective languages,
> with
> > the right GUI, etcThese then would be linked in the locales help
> > files and it would empower the community, expand on the product, and
> > give visibility to a great tool (videos that literally show
> exactly how
> > to use features).
>
> For those who are multilingual or just adventurous,  I can see the
> potential benefit if users could choose on a program-wide level to
> toggle on extra non-localized content (let's call it "Extended
> Documentation") for each page of the Help. If we were to have rather
> stringent rules about what content (format, length, structure,
> license, etc..) could be included in this fashion, then we'd have a
> decent roadmap on what content we'd like to see localized next.
>
> If we're clever about how we include Extended Documentation, we could
> even recruit for translation/localization by adding a small message to
> any non-localized content such as "Want to see this content in
> $CURRENT_LOCALE? Click here to help out!"
>
> > I'd prefer discussing a better solution, one where we can agree
> that the
> > tool is awesome for users, that the more visibility the better,
> and one
> > that empowers contributors to follow Robert's lead and developer
> > tutorial videos in their respective languages.
>
> I'd suggest that any video content included or linked from the
> Documentation be provided in a similar fashion to our existing text
> content. Off the top of my head, this would include:
> - Licensing under CC-BY or CC-BY-SA 3+
> - Use of free/open file formats
> - "Source" video archived safely somewhere in TDF infra
> - Inclusion of extra source materials (e.g. talking points used to
> make the video, example docs displayed or demonstrated during the
> video, etc..) with the archived source video to help others who may
> wish to edit or reshoot the content
> - Ability to Download or view video using only Free Software
> (Archive.org?)
> - Strong encouragement for any cross-platform content to be
> demonstrated using the Doc Team's preferred Free Software GUI shell
> [1]
>
> It would be great to have subtitles provided for each source video
> from the get-go, however that's definitely a task that can be handled
> independently, freeing up video creators to create more videos...
>
> Cheers,
> --R
>
> [1]
> 
> https://wiki.doc

[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Video Tutorial Link in Help

[Robert Alexander]

Hi everyone,
thank you all for putting so much consideration into this discussion.

I am quite happy to independently create tutorial videos for LibreOffice if
it turns out that this is the best route for the project as a whole. I was
originally going to do that, but decided it would be good to get in touch
in case you needed specific kinds of tutorials. So whatever happens, my
plan is to make LibreOffice tutorials for the foreseeable future.

My current workflow means that I create transcripts(technically scripts) of
my videos, which may be helpful to you as no one will have to go back and
create them if they are needed.

Regards,
Robert

On 10 December 2015 at 00:46, Robinson Tryon 
wrote:

> Sophie wrote:
> >> What we do not want in localised version is content in en_US language.
> >> Even if the sound is translated, UI still will be in English and it's
> >> very difficult to focus on what you learn when all what you see is in
> >> a foreign language.
>
> In terms of the content that we provide on a per-language basis, I
> agree that it's important to be able to provide consistency to those
> users who desire it. For those who wish to see only content in
> language XYZ, then we should strive to show them only content in XYZ.
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Joel Madero  wrote:
> > Just for full transparency here. Sophie and I had an extended talk on
> > chat and I'm of the belief that to prevent this from getting into help
> > files because other locales aren't doing the same is not the smartest
> > way to move forward. I instead would prefer including it and then
> > supporting locales to do the same - in the respective languages, with
> > the right GUI, etcThese then would be linked in the locales help
> > files and it would empower the community, expand on the product, and
> > give visibility to a great tool (videos that literally show exactly how
> > to use features).
>
> For those who are multilingual or just adventurous,  I can see the
> potential benefit if users could choose on a program-wide level to
> toggle on extra non-localized content (let's call it "Extended
> Documentation") for each page of the Help. If we were to have rather
> stringent rules about what content (format, length, structure,
> license, etc..) could be included in this fashion, then we'd have a
> decent roadmap on what content we'd like to see localized next.
>
> If we're clever about how we include Extended Documentation, we could
> even recruit for translation/localization by adding a small message to
> any non-localized content such as "Want to see this content in
> $CURRENT_LOCALE? Click here to help out!"
>
> > I'd prefer discussing a better solution, one where we can agree that the
> > tool is awesome for users, that the more visibility the better, and one
> > that empowers contributors to follow Robert's lead and developer
> > tutorial videos in their respective languages.
>
> I'd suggest that any video content included or linked from the
> Documentation be provided in a similar fashion to our existing text
> content. Off the top of my head, this would include:
> - Licensing under CC-BY or CC-BY-SA 3+
> - Use of free/open file formats
> - "Source" video archived safely somewhere in TDF infra
> - Inclusion of extra source materials (e.g. talking points used to
> make the video, example docs displayed or demonstrated during the
> video, etc..) with the archived source video to help others who may
> wish to edit or reshoot the content
> - Ability to Download or view video using only Free Software (Archive.org?)
> - Strong encouragement for any cross-platform content to be
> demonstrated using the Doc Team's preferred Free Software GUI shell
> [1]
>
> It would be great to have subtitles provided for each source video
> from the get-go, however that's definitely a task that can be handled
> independently, freeing up video creators to create more videos...
>
> Cheers,
> --R
>
> [1]
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Production#Sample_screenshots
> Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Software_screenshots
>
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> QA Engineer - The Document Foundation
> LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald
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>

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