Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Submitting/Review Rights For GermanTranslation Team

[Christian Kühl]

Hallo, Sophie & Christian,

ich schätze deine Arbeit (Sophie) sehr und sehe kein Problem darin, dir
auch Reviewer-Rechte zu geben. Allerdings kann ich dich aus irgendeinem
Grund nicht in Pootle finden und dir diese zuweisen. Könntest du
(Christian) das nochmal übernehmen?

Gruß
Christian (Kühl)


Am 12.10.2017 um 08:36 schrieb Sophia Schröder:
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Granted you Submitter privs for now, can be escalated to reviewer if 
necessary.


Beeing also a reviewer were a Good Thing ™ IMHO.

At least than I can delete my own suggestion crap I produce sometimes
and can help to submit good work from others.

 > and only submit obvious ones by myself. I am in an hospital at the moment

 > for some weeks now , so not much work can be done from my side these 
days,


 > sadly.

Sad to hear - best wishes to get out of hospital soon,

Thank you. 😊

ciao

Christian



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Submitting/Review Rights For GermanTranslation Team

[Christian Kühl]

Pardon (auch in der eben rausgegangenen PM ist mir das wieder passiert -
ich gelobe Besserung)!

Ich weiß, wie dein Name in Pootle lautet, kann ihn aber trotzdem nicht
finden.

Gruß
Christian


Am 12.10.2017 um 09:04 schrieb Sophia Schröder:

Hallo,

Danke für das Vertrauen. 😊

Mein Name ist allerdings Sophia, nicht Sophie (Auch wenn ich privat den 
letzteren eher mag).


Mein Benutzername in Pootle ist SophiaS.

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*Von: *Christian Kühl 
*Gesendet: *Donnerstag, 12. Oktober 2017 09:00
*An: *Sophia Schröder ; Christian 
Lohmaier 

*Cc: *l10n@global.libreoffice.org 
*Betreff: *Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Submitting/Review Rights For 
GermanTranslation Team


Hallo, Sophie & Christian,

ich schätze deine Arbeit (Sophie) sehr und sehe kein Problem darin, dir
auch Reviewer-Rechte zu geben. Allerdings kann ich dich aus irgendeinem
Grund nicht in Pootle finden und dir diese zuweisen. Könntest du
(Christian) das nochmal übernehmen?

Gruß
Christian (Kühl)


Am 12.10.2017 um 08:36 schrieb Sophia Schröder:

Gesendet von Mail  für
Windows 10

Granted you Submitter privs for now, can be escalated to reviewer if 
necessary.


Beeing also a reviewer were a Good Thing ™ IMHO.

At least than I can delete my own suggestion crap I produce sometimes
and can help to submit good work from others.

  > and only submit obvious ones by myself. I am in an hospital at the moment

  > for some weeks now , so not much work can be done from my side these 
days,


  > sadly.

Sad to hear - best wishes to get out of hospital soon,

Thank you. 😊

ciao

Christian



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[libreoffice-l10n] Please read: minutes of ESC meeting

[Sophie]

Hi all,

Concerning current workflow, here are the minutes of the ESC meeting and
the result of our discussions whit Christian:

* l10n (Sophie)
+ is bad.
+ many strings are marked fuzzy / not cleaned yet (Cloph)
   + many can be auto-translated but need a script writing.
   + wizards cause problems (from gettext migration)
   + different things there (Caolan)
   + some instances where English source string is changed
   + will still be fuzzy afterwards.
+ translators should be a bit patient (Sophie)
   + focus on writer & calc where chance of un-converted strings is
low (Cloph)
  + plan to have a script for next week

So please be patient, we are looking after it and will try our best to
clean the situation.
Cheers
Sophie

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Submitting/Review Rights For GermanTranslation Team

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Christian, Sophia,

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Christian Kühl 
wrote:

> Hallo, Sophie & Christian,
>
> ich schätze deine Arbeit (Sophie) sehr und sehe kein Problem darin, dir
> auch Reviewer-Rechte zu geben. Allerdings kann ich dich aus irgendeinem
> Grund nicht in Pootle finden und dir diese zuweisen. Könntest du
> (Christian) das nochmal übernehmen?
>
>
You should have the privs, so I think it is just a matter of you not
discovering the correct page:
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/de/admin/team/

if you still cannot assign the privileges, let me know and I'll bump them.

ciao
Christian


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Michael Bauer]

Sometimes 'cosmetic' change could mean a difference. To me is 
indicative if string is 1) in all caps, if 2) first letter is 
capitalized and if 3) all letters are lowercased. 


Not a good reason Kruno. For one, not all scripts even entertain the 
idea of caps. CJK, Nagari, Amhara, Arabic-based ... non of them have 
caps. Yet somehow they manage to make their UI work.


Secondly, quite a lot of locales have strict lowercasing. Like ours. So 
caps in en-US don't make a blind bit of difference to our translations.


Thirdly, there is largely no rhyme, no reason, and apparently no season. 
In en-US, caps follow whatever the flavour of the month is. Evidence? 
Sure. Just as Microsoft was abandoning sentence case, LibreOffice went 
for it, or the other way round, I can't remember. Either way, round 
about the same time, their respective UI went *exactly* the opposite way.


If LO does not want to start treating en-US as a translatable locale, it 
really needs to introduce a new change category into Pootle of "cap 
change" which does not void existing translations but introduces a QA 
flag like "missing placeholder".


Right now, it feels like every time en-US play with their caps, they 
give 100 or so other locales the finger, as if our time didn't matter 
two hoots. And it's NOT like this is a novel issue, we've debated this 
ad nauseum and STILL you dump these on us volunteers. Do you know how 
much I'd charge for this kind of time?


Michael

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Submitting/Review Rights For GermanTranslation Team

[Christian Kühl]

Hi, Christian!

Am 12.10.2017 um 10:07 schrieb Christian Lohmaier:


On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Christian Kühl 
wrote:


ich schätze deine Arbeit (Sophie) sehr und sehe kein Problem darin, dir
auch Reviewer-Rechte zu geben. Allerdings kann ich dich aus irgendeinem
Grund nicht in Pootle finden und dir diese zuweisen. Könntest du
(Christian) das nochmal übernehmen?


You should have the privs, so I think it is just a matter of you not
discovering the correct page:
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/de/admin/team/

if you still cannot assign the privileges, let me know and I'll bump them.


I know, that I have the privileges, and know the page too, but I haven't
found Sophia first. The problem was, that I first have to remove Sophia
from Submitters before I could add her to Reviewers. Now I found the
solution I have added her myserlf.

Thanks
Christian

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AW: [libreoffice-l10n] Submitting/Review Rights For GermanTranslationTeam

[Sophia Schröder]

Thank your both for this. 
Oddly I am still not able to remove my own obsolete suggestions.
A big red „Not found“ in German occurs. 

Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Sophia Schröder

Von: Christian Kühl
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Oktober 2017 12:51
An: Christian Lohmaier
Cc: Sophia Schröder; l10n@global.libreoffice.org
Betreff: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Submitting/Review Rights For 
GermanTranslationTeam

Hi, Christian!

Am 12.10.2017 um 10:07 schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
> 
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Christian Kühl 
> wrote:
>>
>> ich schätze deine Arbeit (Sophie) sehr und sehe kein Problem darin, dir
>> auch Reviewer-Rechte zu geben. Allerdings kann ich dich aus irgendeinem
>> Grund nicht in Pootle finden und dir diese zuweisen. Könntest du
>> (Christian) das nochmal übernehmen?
>
> You should have the privs, so I think it is just a matter of you not
> discovering the correct page:
> https://translations.documentfoundation.org/de/admin/team/
> 
> if you still cannot assign the privileges, let me know and I'll bump them.

I know, that I have the privileges, and know the page too, but I haven't
found Sophia first. The problem was, that I first have to remove Sophia
from Submitters before I could add her to Reviewers. Now I found the
solution I have added her myserlf.

Thanks
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Krunose]

On 12.10.2017 10:46, Michael Bauer wrote:


Sometimes 'cosmetic' change could mean a difference. To me is 
indicative if string is 1) in all caps, if 2) first letter is 
capitalized and if 3) all letters are lowercased. 


Not a good reason Kruno. For one, not all scripts even entertain the 
idea of caps. CJK, Nagari, Amhara, Arabic-based ... non of them have 
caps. Yet somehow they manage to make their UI work.


Secondly, quite a lot of locales have strict lowercasing. Like ours. 
So caps in en-US don't make a blind bit of difference to our 
translations.


Thirdly, there is largely no rhyme, no reason, and apparently no 
season. In en-US, caps follow whatever the flavour of the month is. 
Evidence? Sure. Just as Microsoft was abandoning sentence case, 
LibreOffice went for it, or the other way round, I can't remember. 
Either way, round about the same time, their respective UI went 
*exactly* the opposite way.


If LO does not want to start treating en-US as a translatable locale, 
it really needs to introduce a new change category into Pootle of "cap 
change" which does not void existing translations but introduces a QA 
flag like "missing placeholder".


Right now, it feels like every time en-US play with their caps, they 
give 100 or so other locales the finger, as if our time didn't matter 
two hoots. And it's NOT like this is a novel issue, we've debated this 
ad nauseum and STILL you dump these on us volunteers. Do you know how 
much I'd charge for this kind of time?


Michael



Translating LibreOffice bought me a house.

Kruno

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