Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Document Liberation Project flyer for translations

2023-02-20 Thread Mike Saunders

Hi Cristian, everyone,

On 20.02.23 22:39, Cristian Secară wrote:


Has anyone thought about i18n issues at the time of choosing this font ? A 
quick look at the embedded character set shows that this font lacks support for 
Czech, Polish, Hungarian and Romanian alphabets (this for Latin based scripts); 
it also lacks support for Greek, it also lacks support for Cyrillic. Not a word 
about Asian or Arabic scripts.


The choice of Vegur as the branding font for LibreOffice goes back many 
years, back to the start (2010) I believe. You make a good point, if 
it's missing many characters for many languages, and we should fix that.



Why not choose from SIL fonts ? Their i18n support is comprehensive (and font 
quality is awesome).


Thanks for the suggestion -- do you have a specific font in mind?


Or, perhaps the sister project considers that only 'Western' languages "... have 
digital content created years ago and stored in old, outdated and proprietary document 
formats." ?


Not at all, and clearly Vegur is lacking. Let's find a font that works 
is many more scripts, and adapt the flyers accordingly...


Cheers,
Mike

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Document Liberation Project flyer for translations

2023-02-20 Thread Italo Vignoli
Mr Barrientos, I am really fed up by your repeated mentions of TDF 
Marketing team based only on your personal opinions and not on facts. In 
this case, you mention us in a negative way completely out of context, 
and is not the first time that this happens.


From your words, it looks like TDF Marketing team is responsible for 
all negative things which happen at TDF. Sorry, but this repeated 
bashing of other people's activities is not respectful and doesn't 
belong to the community spirit.


I am copying TDF BoD, TDF Membership Committee and TDF Team, as I am 
totally fed up by your attitude. I hope they will ask you to maintain a 
more respectful attitude, especially if your statements are not based on 
any kind of evidence.


On 20/02/23 23:53, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote:


years ago I wrote about Vegur not being appropriate for Slavic (and
Slovenian) language, but nothing changes within the TDF and design team of
LO, as long as it looks nice in English and German ...



More like the TDF’s Marketing team. But, to their credit, at least they are
not asking us to pirate proprietary fonts, as some developer who shall
remain unnamed asked me to do years ago to take my translation of a flyer...

 From the Design team we proposed Murecho, which has quite an extensive
character coverage.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Branding#Typography


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Document Liberation Project flyer for translations

2023-02-20 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
>
> years ago I wrote about Vegur not being appropriate for Slavic (and
> Slovenian) language, but nothing changes within the TDF and design team of
> LO, as long as it looks nice in English and German ...
>

More like the TDF’s Marketing team. But, to their credit, at least they are
not asking us to pirate proprietary fonts, as some developer who shall
remain unnamed asked me to do years ago to take my translation of a flyer...

From the Design team we proposed Murecho, which has quite an extensive
character coverage.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Branding#Typography

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Document Liberation Project flyer for translations

2023-02-20 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Thanks, Cristian,

years ago I wrote about Vegur not being appropriate for Slavic (and
Slovenian) language, but nothing changes within the TDF and design team of
LO, as long as it looks nice in English and German ...

Lp, m.

V V pon., 20. feb. 2023 ob 22:46 je oseba Cristian Secară 
napisala:

> În data de Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:14:17 +0100, Mike Saunders a scris:
>
> > At FOSDEM earlier this month, we handed out flyers about the Document
> > Liberation Project, and here's the file for translations:
> >
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:DLP_Document_Liberation_flyer.odg
> >
> > The font "Vegur" is required. [...]
>
> What is the target part of the world for the flyer ? Possibly the same
> question for the sister project ?
>
> Has anyone thought about i18n issues at the time of choosing this font ? A
> quick look at the embedded character set shows that this font lacks support
> for Czech, Polish, Hungarian and Romanian alphabets (this for Latin based
> scripts); it also lacks support for Greek, it also lacks support for
> Cyrillic. Not a word about Asian or Arabic scripts.
>
> Why not choose from SIL fonts ? Their i18n support is comprehensive (and
> font quality is awesome).
>
> Or, perhaps the sister project considers that only 'Western' languages
> "... have digital content created years ago and stored in old, outdated and
> proprietary document formats." ?
>
> Cristi
>
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Document Liberation Project flyer for translations

2023-02-20 Thread Cristian Secară
În data de Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:14:17 +0100, Mike Saunders a scris:

> At FOSDEM earlier this month, we handed out flyers about the Document 
> Liberation Project, and here's the file for translations:
> 
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:DLP_Document_Liberation_flyer.odg
> 
> The font "Vegur" is required. [...]

What is the target part of the world for the flyer ? Possibly the same question 
for the sister project ?

Has anyone thought about i18n issues at the time of choosing this font ? A 
quick look at the embedded character set shows that this font lacks support for 
Czech, Polish, Hungarian and Romanian alphabets (this for Latin based scripts); 
it also lacks support for Greek, it also lacks support for Cyrillic. Not a word 
about Asian or Arabic scripts.

Why not choose from SIL fonts ? Their i18n support is comprehensive (and font 
quality is awesome).

Or, perhaps the sister project considers that only 'Western' languages "... 
have digital content created years ago and stored in old, outdated and 
proprietary document formats." ?

Cristi

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[libreoffice-l10n] Document Liberation Project flyer for translations

2023-02-20 Thread Mike Saunders

Hi everyone,

As you probably know, https://www.documentliberation.org is a sister 
project to LibreOffice, focusing on software libraries to open files in 
proprietary formats.


At FOSDEM earlier this month, we handed out flyers about the Document 
Liberation Project, and here's the file for translations:


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:DLP_Document_Liberation_flyer.odg

The font "Vegur" is required. If anyone makes a translation of the .odg 
file, just send it to me (or upload to the wiki and let me know). We 
already have two translations, thanks to the community in Argentina:


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:DLP_Document_Liberation_flyer_ES.odg

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:DLP_Document_Liberation_flyer_ES_ar.odg

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