Re: [libreoffice-l10n] "are flagged" vs "appear as a typo"

[Mikhail Balabanov]

Hi,

Strictly speaking, spellchecker’s markings don’t mean ‘this is definitely a
typo’, they rather mean ‘this word is not in my dictionary, so it maybe
needs your attention’. So I would prefer ‘are flagged‘, but I am also not a
native speaker.

Cheers,
Mihail


On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Marco A.G.Pinto <
marcoagpi...@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Sorry for this philosophical question.
>
> Can I replace in the GB dictionary FAQ the word "appears as a typo" by
> "are/is flagged"?
>
> FAQ:
> http://marcoagpinto.cidadevirtual.pt/faq.html
>
> I believe that both mean the same, but I need some advice before
> changing all occurrences.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kind regards,
>  >Marco A.G.Pinto
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Updated templates for master

[Mikhail Balabanov]

Hello,

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 12:53 AM, Serg Bormant  wrote:

> 2017-10-06 23:12 GMT+03:00 Adolfo Jayme Barrientos :
> > 2017-10-06 10:45 GMT-05:00 Serg Bormant :
> >> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=029f2fdc
> > What is your point?
> It is very simple.
> As I can see, Pootle has 135 languages now and some teams work offline.
> If someone makes ONLY ONE cosmetic change in translatable strings,
> everyone of 135 language teams should adopt this change.
>


As someone who translates practically alone for my language (mainly
stealing from my sleep), I agree that this is far from effective use of
volunteers’ often very scarce spare time. Saying ‘You’re volunteers so if
you don’t want to put up with , we’ll wait for someone who does’
doesn’t seem the best stance to take.

On the other hand, I’m also a stickler for correct typography, perfectly
composed layouts and such things and I think that ‘cosmetic’ changes often
go a long way to make a product appear much more professional and enjoyable
to work with.



> >> Please, please, PLEASE make English-to-English translation and play
> >> with spaces and capital letters there...
> >
> > You realize that this suggestion makes no sense whatsoever?
>
> Why not? Assign any unused language code for source and "en" for
> translation.
>


This seems like an attractive option but it has problems of its own (like:
when looking at the source, you will never be sure how the actual UI looks
like; many teams may actually want to implement some of the changes made to
the ‘English translation’ but they will not be notified of them and will
have to periodically search for such, etc.).

OTOH, setting that particular solution aside, I’m sure that other things
can be done to somewhat improve the situation. For example, couldn’t some
mechanism be implemented to explicitly mark certain changes as ‘small’ or
‘cosmetic’ so that the translations in Pootle are just marked as ‘Needs
work’ instead of right out deleting them? Or even better, add a new status
specifically meaning ‘Cosmetic change’ that allows re-confirming the
existing translations en masse if the changes are irrelevant to them?


Best regards,
Mihail Balabanov

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RE: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice Online pots updated

[Mikhail Balabanov]

Hello, 

> This is just a heads-up that LibreOffice Online UI pot was updated in
> Pootle today. 

Oops, I see that there is a new master branch now and the ~28,000 words that I 
have already translated in 5.3 but must click through again in 5.4 just got 
doubled…
Please, can someone merge my recent work in the Bulgarian translation of 5.3 
into 5.4 and Master?

I translate via Pootle and at some point a big chunk of new strings got 
introduced in parallel in 5.3 and then-master. I continued working in 5.3, 
hoping that what I do will get integrated into master but now I would need to 
re-translate all those strings not once, but twice (and also translate twice 
everything new that is common between 5.4 and the new master, etc.).

When a new master gets branched from a not-fully translated previous branch, 
effectively doubling all untranslated entries, shouldn’t later the work done on 
those entries in the older branch be transferred by default before the next 
branching which multiplies the empty entries yet again (while in the original 
branch, there already are translations for them)? 

It’s 4 am here, so I hope the above still makes sense. :)

TIA,
Mihail Balabanov


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RE: [libreoffice-l10n] This is LibreOffice promo video subtitles

[Mikhail Balabanov]

Hello,

Bulgarian subtitles have been added, 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/This_is_LibreOffice_script#Bulgarian_.28bg.29.

Cheers,
Mihail



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From: Mike Saunders
Sent: 28 септември 2017 г. 11:15 ч.
To: Gabor Kelemen; Localization list
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] This is LibreOffice promo video subtitles

Hi Gabor,

On 27/09/2017 21:13, Gabor Kelemen wrote:
> 
> I added a new Hungarian translation, could you please put it online?
> 
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/This_is_LibreOffice_script#Hungarian

Great -- I've just added them to the video. Thanks!

Mike

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[libreoffice-l10n] Request to merge translations

[Mikhail Balabanov]

Hello,

I’m not sure how I got the impression that work done on the branch of the
latest numbered version gets integrated back into Master before a new
numbered version is branched but it is apparently wrong. :)
We have ~38,000 untranslated words in the Bulgarian translation of 5.4 that
were previously in Master. I think the vast majority of them are units that
I already translated in 5.3, because a large amount of new texts were
introduced at a certain point in both and I concentrated on the current
version which at the time was 5.3. Whom should I ask to merge them to 5.4
(and eventually the new Master branch?)

TIA,
Mihail

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle disallows to translate [Runtime]

[Mikhail Balabanov]

Hello,

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 5:41 PM Dwayne Bailey 
wrote:

> We really do like eliminating false positives, specifically the critical
> (red) ones.  Too many false positives and people ignore tests.
>

+1 After clicking through several hundreds of these just to see them
reemerge a couple of week later (regardless that there were no changes in
the original strings or the translations themselves), I just gave up and
can’t blame anyone who did the same. Can we at least have a keyboard
shortcut, or a way to disable the warnings when translating offline?
Currently the only way of switching them off is ‘ctrl+down, *wait for page
reload*, target tiny button with mouse, click, *wait for page reload*,
repeat ~750 times’, not the most effective use of one’s volunteering time.
:)


> that LibreOffice uses PO files.  Eliminating `("[", "]")` might eliminate a
> whole class of false positive variable warnings.
>

+1 Especially for the case in question, I don’t see any reason not to
replace all these [Runtime] with (Runtime) or even (Runtime library) which
further clarifies the intended meaning.
Also, all examples in the Help that look like (but are not) XML tags should
probably be changed from  to something like non-tag,
eliminating another class of false positives.

Cheers,
Mihail

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Localizing the "Notebookbar"

[Mikhail Balabanov]

Hello,
In Bulgarian, I translated it as ‘Лента с раздели’, which is literally ‘bar
with tabs’ (vrstica z zavihki?).

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 1:14 AM Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> how have you localized the new "Notebookbar" in 5.3?
>
> I see some teams have not localized it word by word (like German
> "Symbolband"); are there any other translations like that?
>
> I am searching for something with different wording, because in Slovenian
> connecting it to a notebook really sounds awfully.
>
> Thanks, m.
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[libreoffice-l10n] Can I just ignore the constantly-returning hundreds of ‘Critical errors’ on unchanged strings in Pootle?

[Mikhail Balabanov]

Hello,

Just to be sure, what is the current effect of leaving strings with
‘Critical errors’ in Pootle as they are? (E.g. they will still be used in
the builds and not rejected and replaced with English, is that correct?)

Also, are there any plans to unify the format of placeholders (%, $, {},
[], etc.) and get rid of the non-escaped XML elements and XML errors in the
English text? Many ‘XML tags’ false positives come from things like
 instead of sth_that_is_not_an_XML_tag,
and the ‘Placeholder’ false positives come from things like [Runtime],
[None], etc.

Constantly maintaining zero critical errors has become a Sisyphean task,
especially for a one-person team for a small language, since the error
flags constantly get reset for scores of otherwise unchanged strings and
switching them back one by one is a very slow and tedious process
(apparently can’t be done offline and/or automatically). If these actually
do not prevent the strings from being picked up for the localized build,
I’d rather let them stay red, regardless that sometimes this may hide some
actual errors, especially if the alternative is to abandon the project.

TIA,
Mihail

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] issue in Table > Size > Distribute rows evenly

[Mikhail Balabanov]

Hi
It was bugged in Bulgarian too, now should be OK.

Regards,
Mihail

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:32 PM Sophie  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Could you check this issue in your language?
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13
> en_US is ok but it seems to appear in French and German. Thanks in advance
> Cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] 4.3 and 4.4 projects removal from Pootle

[Mikhail Balabanov]

Hello,
bg (Bulgarian) can also be removed from 4.3 and 4.4.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] emoji uniqueness?

[Mikhail Balabanov]

Solved for bg, thanks.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Németh László nem...@numbertext.org
wrote:

 Hi,

 Yes, we need unique keywords. Fortunately, there are only a few duplicates.
 Unfortunately, there is no Pootle integration yet, but the update script
 found the following ones:

 Languages:

 duplicate_emoji_bg.txt
 duplicate_emoji_ca.txt
 duplicate_emoji_da.txt
 duplicate_emoji_de.txt
 duplicate_emoji_es.txt
 duplicate_emoji_fi.txt
 duplicate_emoji_fr.txt
 duplicate_emoji_hr.txt
 duplicate_emoji_hu.txt
 duplicate_emoji_it.txt
 duplicate_emoji_nl-BE.txt
 duplicate_emoji_nl.txt
 duplicate_emoji_pt-BR.txt
 duplicate_emoji_pt.txt
 duplicate_emoji_ro.txt
 duplicate_emoji_ru.txt

 Words:

 == duplicate_emoji_bg.txt =
 внимание
 телефон
 слънце
 овен
 не
 мъж
 жена
 целувка2
 гняв
 изчервяване
 == duplicate_emoji_ca.txt =
 telèfon
 fi
 no
 == duplicate_emoji_da.txt =
 advarsel
 telefon
 glimmer
 sol
 blomst
 is
 flag
 flag2
 fodbold
 kylling
 mand
 kvinde
 pære
 mappe
 diagram
 højtaler
 nøgle
 == duplicate_emoji_de.txt =
 Hermesstab
 Gewitter
 Wal
 Faust
 Smiley erleichtert
 Baby
 == duplicate_emoji_es.txt =
 caduceo
 teléfono
 fi
 negra
 corchea
 Tierra
 flor
 fútbol
 no
 linterna
 sonrisa
 == duplicate_emoji_fi.txt =
 risti
 risti2
 puhelin
 pata
 nuotit
 ei
 hymy
 == duplicate_emoji_fr.txt =
 petit carré noir
 téléphone
 cœur
 soleil
 fleur
 trèfle
 riz
 étincelle
 casque
 sac-à-main
 empreintes
 mariage
 livre
 portable
 caméra
 haut-parleur
 grimace
 sourire
 bisou
 colère
 grimaçant
 == duplicate_emoji_hr.txt =
 jota
 == duplicate_emoji_hu.txt =
 növény
 == duplicate_emoji_it.txt =
 lira
 caduceo
 telefono
 Luna
 Luna2
 Sole
 fiore
 == duplicate_emoji_nl-BE.txt =
 geen deelverzameling
 waarschuwing
 telefoon
 vijfhoek
 wassende maan
 wassende maan
 rijst
 voetbal
 beer
 vuist
 huwelijk
 notitie
 telefoon
 sleutel
 lachend
 duizelig
 lachende kat
 tram
 vrachtwagen
 kabelbaan
 toilet
 == duplicate_emoji_nl.txt =
 geen deelverzameling
 waarschuwing
 telefoon
 vijfhoek
 wassende maan
 wassende maan
 rijst
 voetbal
 beer
 vuist
 huwelijk
 notitie
 telefoon
 sleutel
 lachend
 duizelig
 lachende kat
 tram
 vrachtwagen
 kabelbaan
 toilet
 == duplicate_emoji_pt-BR.txt =
 espadas
 caduceu
 telefone
 fi
 semínima
 colcheia
 lua cheia
 flor
 sorvete
 futebol
 não
 casamento
 sorriso
 diabinho
 beijo
 franzido
 choroso
 tonto
 == duplicate_emoji_pt.txt =
 espadas
 telefone
 estrela
 fi
 lua cheia
 sol
 flor
 não
 casamento
 câmara de vídeo
 sorriso
 diabinho
 beijo
 zangado
 franzido
 angustiado
 choroso
 boca aberta
 == duplicate_emoji_ro.txt =
 liră
 triunghi dreptunghic
 pătrat mic
 == duplicate_emoji_ru.txt =
 телефон
 трава


 The update script doesn't fix automatically these duplicates, only the
 second (third etc) occurrences of the same keyword are ignored. If you add
 a number to the keyword, the next update will add the missing characters to
 the replacement tables.

 Many thanks for the great translations and your question!

 Best regard,
 László






 2015-07-20 0:56 GMT+02:00 Donald Rogers donr2...@clear.net.nz:

  Does each emoji string have to be unique? (I suppose so).
  Is there an automated test for uniqueness that will show up in the Fix
  critical errors column?
  The reason that I ask is that some of the English terms are so similar in
  meaning that I may have translated them to the same thing. I may need to
  add a digit to one of them.
 
  Regards
  Donaldo
 
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[libreoffice-l10n] Some questions about XML tag / placeholder warnings

[Mikhail Balabanov]

Hello again with some more questions :)

I have worked on the Bulgarian l10n of OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice
for quite some time and I have always assumed some things but in the light
of the new warning system I decided to ask. :)

* Is it OK to rearrange named placeholders because of different word order
in the translation language, for example (like '$type$ library $name$' -
'library $name$ of type $type$')? Is it always safe to mute the
corresponding warnings?

* Is it OK to skip tag pairs and placeholders? In Bulgarian, repeating the
name of something in several sequential sentences is often considered
awkward style so I sometimes replace it with pronouns, skipping things like
%PRODUCTNAME and emph(control name)/emph.

* Is it OK to add tag pairs? In some contexts, it appears that the original
misses a tag pair, for example the names of three of the four parameters of
a function are boldfaced in the explanation but the last one is not. I have
sometimes added emph tags for them, now I find these units due to the
warnings and wander whether to mute or to remove the tags and wait until
someone fixes the original.

Also, in bookmark_value blocks sometimes the number of items differs
because in English there are two names for something which in Bulgarian is
a single term or vice versa. Is it OK to mute the warning or I should come
up with exactly the same number of items?

And last but not least: how do I proceed to report shortcomings in the
original strings, e.g. superfluous tags like
emphthinga/emphemphmajig/emph and stuff like that? Is the 'Report a
problem with thia string' link for that?

TIA,
Mihail

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[libreoffice-l10n] Quotation marks in Bulgarian

[Mikhail Balabanov]

Hello,

How should I proceed to define the quotation marks used in the Bulgarian
translation and stop the corresponding Pootle warnings?

In our translation, we use simple double quotation marks ( ) and
Bulgarian typographic quotation marks („ “) (open: U+201Е, Double Low-9
Quotation Mark, close: U+201C, Left Double Quotation Mark).

Also, single quotation marks that are used in some of the original strings
are also represented in Bulgarian by „“ (when they are used in plain text
and not code snippets), so maybe that will also trigger a warning.

TIA,
Mihail

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