[libreoffice-l10n] A few questions about translating color names
I did an overview of translation of various colors used in LO, and in doing so had some questions. These questions are probably more towards developers than fellow translators and l10n admins, but I don't know which specific developers to ask, or if the dev mailing list is a good place for such questions. So here they are, please direct me to proper channels if needed. In this email I'm going to refer to several strings, and Weblate links are a bit cumbersome, so I'm going to use line numbers of the file core/include/svx/strings.hrc instead: https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/include/svx/strings.hrc?r=b680547a 1. Line 561-566, these are names of several colors used as default in various places. My questions are: (a) Does it mean different locales can actually use different default colors if we change it in the translation? And if not, what's the point of making it translatable? (b) What happens if the translation of these strings don't match the translation of the actual color names? This is easier to happen than perceived, as for example line 562 has "Dark Red 2", but for the translation of actual names there is only "Dark Red", and the " 2" part is added automatically without translation. So if a translator was tempted to translate the numbers to something language specific, there will be mismatch. 2. Line 627-651, these are colors used by the "material" palette. There are quite a few names like "Color A" in it. However these are not the full names of the colors, as the full names are like "Gray A200", with the "200" again added automatically without translation. So my question is: Why not just include the " A" part as the automatic suffix as well? After all, both Greek alphabet and Cyrillic alphabet starts with a letter close enough to the Latin "A", and it's not likely languages using other alphabets will translate this "A" part anyway. I can also imagine the headache this will cause for RTL languages. 3. Line 652-665, these are declared to be old names and likely used for backward compatibility reasons. My question is: Would the old files use localized names? If so, should we refrain from ever changing the translations of these? Then again, color pink is used in other palettes like material. Thanks in advance, Ming -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] A few questions about translating color names
Hi Ming, Le 15/05/2020 à 12:16, Ming H. a écrit : > I did an overview of translation of various colors used in LO, and in doing > so had some questions. These questions are probably more towards developers > than fellow translators and l10n admins, but I don't know which specific > developers to ask, or if the dev mailing list is a good place for such > questions. So here they are, please direct me to proper channels if needed. > > In this email I'm going to refer to several strings, and Weblate links are a > bit cumbersome, so I'm going to use line numbers of the file > core/include/svx/strings.hrc instead: > https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/include/svx/strings.hrc?r=b680547a > > 1. Line 561-566, these are names of several colors used as default in various > places. My questions are: (a) Does it mean different locales can actually > use different default colors if we change it in the translation? Only the name of the color will be changed, not the color itself And if not, what's the point of making it translatable? when you over a color, its name appears and it's also read by screen readers, so it's mandatory to have them translated (b) What happens if the translation of these strings don't match the translation of the actual color names? This is easier to happen than perceived, as for example line 562 has "Dark Red 2", but for the translation of actual names there is only "Dark Red", and the " 2" part is added automatically without translation. So if a translator was tempted to translate the numbers to something language specific, there will be mismatch. This is part of the translation, see https://weblate.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/svxmessages/fr/?checksum=127eea4231a364b1 or is there something I don't undersand? > > 2. Line 627-651, these are colors used by the "material" palette. There are > quite a few names like "Color A" in it. However these are not the full names > of the colors, as the full names are like "Gray A200", with the "200" again > added automatically without translation. So my question is: Why not just > include the " A" part as the automatic suffix as well? After all, both Greek > alphabet and Cyrillic alphabet starts with a letter close enough to the Latin > "A", and it's not likely languages using other alphabets will translate this > "A" part anyway. I can also imagine the headache this will cause for RTL > languages. Where do you see that the name is Gray A200? could you tell me in which module and palette? > > 3. Line 652-665, these are declared to be old names and likely used for > backward compatibility reasons. My question is: Would the old files use > localized names? If so, should we refrain from ever changing the > translations of these? Then again, color pink is used in other palettes like > material. Again, it's only a name, if you have a green color and translate it to blue in your language, that will only be seen as a wrong translation, but won't prevent to do anything with the color. Or maybe I missed something in your questions. Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Foundation coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] A few questions about translating color names
Hi Sophie, -- Original -- From: "sophi"; Send time: Friday, May 15, 2020 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] A few questions about translating color names > > Hi Ming, > > Le 15/05/2020 à 12:16, Ming H. a écrit : > >> 1. Line 561-566, these are names of several colors used as default in >> various places. My questions are: (a) Does it mean different locales >> can actually use different default colors if we change it in the translation? > > Only the name of the color will be changed, not the color itself > >> And if not, what's the point of making it translatable? > > when you over a color, its name appears and it's also read by screen > readers, so it's mandatory to have them translated Good to know. My argument is then the translation can be automatically generated from other translatons, instead of making translators to do it twice. But that's a trivial thing. >> (b) What happens if the translation of these strings don't match the >> translation of the actual color names? This is easier to happen than >> perceived, as for example line 562 has "Dark Red 2", but for the >> translation of actual names there is only "Dark Red", and the " 2" part >> is added automatically without translation. So if a translator was >> tempted to translate the numbers to something language specific, there >> will be mismatch. > > This is part of the translation, see > https://weblate.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/svxmessages/fr/?checksum=127eea4231a364b1 > or is there something I don't undersand? You understood fine. My question (b) is about what happens if the French translator decides to translate it as "Rouge foncé deux", which won't match the "Rouge foncé 2" name in the palette. But from your answer above I guess it doesn't matter much, just a discrepancy between two strings describing the same color. >> 2. Line 627-651, these are colors used by the "material" palette. >> There are quite a few names like "Color A" in it. However these >> are not the full names of the colors, as the full names are like "Gray >> A200", with the "200" again added automatically without translation. >> So my question is: Why not just include the " A" part as the >> automatic suffix as well? After all, both Greek alphabet and Cyrillic >> alphabet starts with a letter close enough to the Latin "A", and it's >> not likely languages using other alphabets will translate this "A" part >> anyway. I can also imagine the headache this will cause for RTL >> languages. > > Where do you see that the name is Gray A200? could you tell me in which > module and palette? In the "material" palette, the two columns on the right, and the module shouldn't matter. It's only avaiable in 7.0 though. >> 3. Line 652-665, these are declared to be old names and likely used >> for backward compatibility reasons. My question is: Would the old >> files use localized names? If so, should we refrain from ever >> changing the translations of these? Then again, color pink is used >> in other palettes like material. > > Again, it's only a name, if you have a green color and translate it to > blue in your language, that will only be seen as a wrong translation, > but won't prevent to do anything with the color. Or maybe I missed > something in your questions. You may have missed a bit, but it's not important. As long as I know I'm free to change these translations, I'm good. Thanks, Ming -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] A few questions about translating color names
>> This is part of the translation, see >> https://weblate.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/svxmessages/fr/?checksum=127eea4231a364b1 >> or is there something I don't undersand? > > You understood fine. My question (b) is about what happens if the > French translator decides to translate it as "Rouge foncé deux", > which won't match the "Rouge foncé 2" name in the palette. A bit more clarification: my understanding is that the name shown in the palette will be from https://weblate.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/svxmessages/fr/?checksum=e599d9f72b8eb77b with " 2" added to the end, therefore "Rouge foncé 2". Ming -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] A few questions about translating color names
Le 15/05/2020 à 15:25, Ming H. a écrit : >>> This is part of the translation, see >>> https://weblate.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/svxmessages/fr/?checksum=127eea4231a364b1 >>> or is there something I don't undersand? >> >> You understood fine. My question (b) is about what happens if the >> French translator decides to translate it as "Rouge foncé deux", >> which won't match the "Rouge foncé 2" name in the palette. > > A bit more clarification: my understanding is that the name shown in the > palette will be from > https://weblate.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/svxmessages/fr/?checksum=e599d9f72b8eb77b > with " 2" added to the end, therefore "Rouge foncé 2". This is two different strings, see the KeyID for Dark Red 2 is mFU2A when the KeyID for Dark Red is st4Zy. Both strings will be used in the UI. Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Foundation coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
