Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Insert Bibliography Entry dialog: illogical wording

[Mihkel Tõnnov]

Heiko Tietze (), 17. detsember 2019
kell 12:30:

> Please make those requests through Bugzilla to allow people to comment.
> And to have a reference why a change was made.
>

Done: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129444


Br,
Mihkel

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Insert Bibliography Entry dialog: illogical wording

[Mihkel Tõnnov]

Caolán McNamara (), 17. detsember 2019 kell 11:24:

> On Tue, 2019-12-17 at 01:06 +0200, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote:
> > In my mind, it would be logical to name that one "Entry", and rename
> > the first header (current "Entry") to "Bibliography source" or
> > similar, as it now is header only for the upper part of the dialog,
> > not the whole dialog anymore.
>
> That seems reasonable to me, https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/85270/
> would make that change
>
> > And depending on the chosen first header, the options "From
> > bibliography database" / "From document content" should probably be
> > updated, too.
>
> What do you think the update should look like ?
>

If their header becomes "Bibliography Source", then I think the "From"
should be dropped from them: "Bibliography database" and "Document content".
But let's continue the discussion at Bugzilla as Heiko requested -
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129444.

Br,
Mihkel

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Insert Bibliography Entry dialog: illogical wording

[Heiko Tietze]

Please make those requests through Bugzilla to allow people to comment. And to 
have a reference why a change was made.

On 17.12.19 10:24, Caolán McNamara wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-12-17 at 01:06 +0200, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote:
>> In my mind, it would be logical to name that one "Entry", and rename
>> the first header (current "Entry") to "Bibliography source" or
>> similar, as it now is header only for the upper part of the dialog,
>> not the whole dialog anymore.
> 
> That seems reasonable to me, https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/85270/
> would make that change
> 
>> And depending on the chosen first header, the options "From
>> bibliography database" / "From document content" should probably be
>> updated, too.
> 
> What do you think the update should look like ?
> 
> 

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Insert Bibliography Entry dialog: illogical wording

[Caolán McNamara]

On Tue, 2019-12-17 at 01:06 +0200, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote:
> In my mind, it would be logical to name that one "Entry", and rename
> the first header (current "Entry") to "Bibliography source" or
> similar, as it now is header only for the upper part of the dialog,
> not the whole dialog anymore.

That seems reasonable to me, https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/85270/
would make that change

> And depending on the chosen first header, the options "From
> bibliography database" / "From document content" should probably be
> updated, too.

What do you think the update should look like ?


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[libreoffice-l10n] Insert Bibliography Entry dialog: illogical wording

[Mihkel Tõnnov]

Hi *,

I found some strangeness in the Insert Bibliography Entry dialog (see
Insert - Table of Contents and Index - Bibliography Entry).
The dialog has recently (well, for 6.4) been slightly re-designed, but I
find the wording that is used strange. Namely the two section headers,
"Entry" (old) and "Layout" (new in 6.4) no longer match their sections:
1) "Entry" has only two sub-items now, the radio buttons for choosing
between "From bibliography database" and "From document content".
2) "Layout" has three sub-items: Short name (dropdown), Author, Title.
While I welcome the update (esp. moving the dropdown to its logical place
above the Title/Author info, not below it as before), I cannot see the
logic behind naming the second section header "Layout". In my mind, it
would be logical to name that one "Entry", and rename the first header
(current "Entry") to "Bibliography source" or similar, as it now is header
only for the upper part of the dialog, not the whole dialog anymore. And
depending on the chosen first header, the options "From bibliography
database" / "From document content" should probably be updated, too.

As it is likely too late to fix this for 6.4, translation teams might want
to check their translations and "deviate" from the (IMHO) illogical source
as they best see fit.
Relevant key-IDs: MdNPn, 8VbWT, um6cK, bujbx

Best regards,
Mihkel
Estonian team

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