Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [BUG 52288] DATE: Allow truncated date inputs from numeric keyboard
Hi all, I apologise for delay. Yes. you are right about proposed patterns. Since nobody in Croatia uses Croatian standard of date writing (-mm-dd), almost everybody use proposed patterns. With regards, Robert On 2.9.2012 20:47, Mihovil Stanić wrote: Dana 31.8.2012. 14:46, Eike Rathke je napisao: I'd say it should be D.M.Y;D.M;D.M.Y.;D/M/Y;D/M or maybe D.M.Y;D.M;D.M.Y.;D.M.;D/M/Y;D/M The '/' patterns are only for numeric keypad input, aren't they? I doubt anyone wants to key in an extra character if not needed.. Eike Yes, you are right. I would go with D.M.Y;D.M;D.M.Y.;D.M.;D/M/Y;D/M Thank you. Mihovil __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7439 (20120902) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [BUG 52288] DATE: Allow truncated date inputs from numeric keyboard
Dana 31.8.2012. 14:46, Eike Rathke je napisao: I'd say it should be D.M.Y;D.M;D.M.Y.;D/M/Y;D/M or maybe D.M.Y;D.M;D.M.Y.;D.M.;D/M/Y;D/M The '/' patterns are only for numeric keypad input, aren't they? I doubt anyone wants to key in an extra character if not needed.. Eike Yes, you are right. I would go with D.M.Y;D.M;D.M.Y.;D.M.;D/M/Y;D/M Thank you. Mihovil -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [BUG 52288] DATE: Allow truncated date inputs from numeric keyboard
Hi Mihovil, On Friday, 2012-08-31 11:03:41 +0200, Mihovil Stanic wrote: That means you could have entered 31.8 or 31/8 or 31-8 in a cell and LO would recognise it as 31.08.12 LO 3.6.x removed that support and now you need to enter 31.08.2012 for date to be recognised. This is not true. It happened to be the case for Croatian hr-HR and locales for which I got no feedback what incomplete date input patterns should be added. Other locales have patterns for incomplete date input. What got lost for locales using '.' was the ability to enter dates on the numeric keypad with '/' or '-' Info from Eike is that some people complained about recognition patters and that's why it got removed totally. Not some people, this is experience of over 10 years in OOo/LibO being responsible in the Calc and i18n area and number formatter/scanner that users were confused and annoyed by the lax recognition of dates where they did not expect it. Eike made a patch which will probably be available in 3.6.2 in which he returns for functionality, but as I understood not as defult option. It would be good if everyone suggests default recognition options for their locale. I want to avoid having to explicitly add patterns for each locale and having to figure out for new locales what the patterns could be. I'd rather with an algorithm during build time let generate a minimal set of meaningful patterns from each locale's date and decimal separator and YMD order. Some locales have additional requirements, these can be individually added to locale data. That richer set then could be default from which in the new edit patterns option field the user could remove patterns. Now, my suggestion for Croatian locale would be: D.M;D.M.;D.M.Y;D/M;D/M/;D/M/Y Any reason why the Croatian locale should have D.M. or D/M/ with trailing separator? Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [BUG 52288] DATE: Allow truncated date inputs from numeric keyboard
On 31.8.2012. 13:01, Eike Rathke wrote: Now, my suggestion for Croatian locale would be: D.M;D.M.;D.M.Y;D/M;D/M/;D/M/Y Any reason why the Croatian locale should have D.M. or D/M/ with trailing separator? Eike Because I'm not sure which is correct. I searched online for date writing rules in croatian and what I get is confusing. Found some student papers in which rule is to write dates as 31.8.2012. (with trailing dot after year) and then I found some other resources in and some common practice in which date is written as 31.8.2012 (without trailing dot). It seams to me that correct way to write full date is 31.8.2012. but commonly used is 31.8.2012 So croatian locale should also include trailing . and / adter year. D.M;D.M.;D.M.Y;D.M.Y.;D/M;D/M/;D/M/Y;D/M/Y/ Maybe Robert who is translator for LO croatian l10n can give his thoughts on that. I'm only concerned user and he is probably more familliar to this then I am. Best reagards, Mihovil -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [BUG 52288] DATE: Allow truncated date inputs from numeric keyboard
On 31.8.2012. 13:01, Eike Rathke wrote: Now, my suggestion for Croatian locale would be: D.M;D.M.;D.M.Y;D/M;D/M/;D/M/Y Any reason why the Croatian locale should have D.M. or D/M/ with trailing separator? Eike Because I'm not sure which is correct. I searched online for date writing rules in croatian and what I get is confusing. Found some student papers in which rule is to write dates as 31.8.2012. (with trailing dot after year) and then I found some other resources in and some common practice in which date is written as 31.8.2012 (without trailing dot). It seams to me that correct way to write full date is 31.8.2012. but commonly used is 31.8.2012 So croatian locale should also include trailing . and / adter year. D.M;D.M.;D.M.Y;D.M.Y.;D/M;D/M/;D/M/Y;D/M/Y/ Maybe Robert who is translator for LO croatian l10n can give his thoughts on that. I'm only concerned user and he is probably more familliar to this then I am. Best reagards, Mihovil -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [BUG 52288] DATE: Allow truncated date inputs from numeric keyboard
(from the bug) A suggestion: I'd like to see the old behaviour as a default: NO! Definitely not. The old behavior was such a pain and it's a godsend that it's finally fixed. Don't even consider such a stupid idea. I can't even count how many silent/hidden data losses this caused (especially on CSV import). -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [BUG 52288] DATE: Allow truncated date inputs from numeric keyboard
Hi Mihovil, On Friday, 2012-08-31 13:46:47 +0200, Mihovil Stanic wrote: Now, my suggestion for Croatian locale would be: D.M;D.M.;D.M.Y;D/M;D/M/;D/M/Y Any reason why the Croatian locale should have D.M. or D/M/ with trailing separator? Because I'm not sure which is correct. I searched online for date writing rules in croatian and what I get is confusing. Found some student papers in which rule is to write dates as 31.8.2012. (with trailing dot after year) and then I found some other resources in and some common practice in which date is written as 31.8.2012 (without trailing dot). This may lead to D.M.Y. but not D.M. or D/M/ unless the situation isn't similar to German where D.M. is the correct abbreviated form. It seams to me that correct way to write full date is 31.8.2012. but commonly used is 31.8.2012 So croatian locale should also include trailing . and / adter year. D.M;D.M.;D.M.Y;D.M.Y.;D/M;D/M/;D/M/Y;D/M/Y/ I'd say it should be D.M.Y;D.M;D.M.Y.;D/M/Y;D/M or maybe D.M.Y;D.M;D.M.Y.;D.M.;D/M/Y;D/M The '/' patterns are only for numeric keypad input, aren't they? I doubt anyone wants to key in an extra character if not needed.. Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
