Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Video Tutorial Link in Help

2015-12-10 Thread Olivier Hallot 
Hi

This is my personal and rant opinion: I don't watch tutorials videos
because they are boring 99% of the time.

The only exception I know that stick me in a tutorial is to watch
wink[1] tutorials/sketches.

Wink takes timed frames of the screen/window in a tutorial sequence and
chain them into Macromedia flash screens where there is room to insert
callouts, audio, extra images and mouse movements. These
sketches/callouts can be translated.

A 30 sec wink sketch is extremely effective. The user control the pace
of the sketch: pause / backward / forward. The flash files can be easily
packed, distributed and linked in our help system and even hosted in TDF
infra.

Wink use Macromedia Flash as output. That is an issue. I have not found
any equivalent technology open source (HTML5?) and wink does to seem to
be very active these days, although the author is still alive in forums.

[1] http://www.debugmode.com/wink/

My 2 cents.

Kind regards

Olivier


Em 09/12/2015 16:50, Sophie Gautier escreveu:
> Hi Robert, all,
> Le 9 déc. 2015 18:33, "Joel Madero"  a écrit :
>>
>> Sorry didn't include Robert in the message - adding him. @Robert - please
> read below.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Joel Madero  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Robert,
>>>
>>> So the news is not good (at least in my opinion). Of course you can
> continue doing the videos but it seems like because you can't speak in 200
> languages we can't link it in the help files. Having English only would
> interfere with locale teams (I'm still unclear how but I'm no expert there
> and one of the experts has guaranteed me that such a link would have dire
> affects on the community).
> 
> So let me reformulate it a bit differently. First Robert, thanks a lot for
> your contributions.
> What we do not want in localised version is content in en_US language. Even
> if the sound is translated, UI still will be in English and it's very
> difficult to focus on what you learn when all what you see is in a foreign
> language.
>>>
>>> So what you could do is just create a youtube channel and post the
> videos...obviously visibility would be substantially less but, that's where
> we are.
> 
> There are lot of other ways to advertise content created by the community.
> For example post each uploaded video to a twitter dedicated account linked
> to a FB and G+ pages,  post to the documentation blog, etc
>>>
>>> You could then create a wiki somewhere useful that links to your videos.
>>>
> 
> That's another possibility and link it to the site
>>> Wish I had better news - I'm still looking into the possibilities but
> right now there seems to be a big blocker in getting such a cool addition
> to the product.
> 
> Yes for the product, that does not mean it's the only way to give
> visibility to Robert's contributions.
> Cheers
> Sophie
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Sophie  wrote:

 Sorry for the direct message, was suppose to go on the list
 Cheers
 Sophie


  Message transféré 
 Sujet : Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Video Tutorial Link in Help
 Date : Wed, 9 Dec 2015 18:00:35 +0100
 De : Sophie 
 Pour : Joel Madero 

 Hi Joel,
 Le 09/12/2015 17:35, Joel Madero a écrit :
> Hi All,
>
> We have a volunteer (Robert Alexander) who has started making some
> tutorial
> videos that are supposed to coincide with help files.
>
> My hope is that we can figure out some way to link these files within
> the
> help itself. Any thoughts on that being a possibility? If we use
> youtube
> (at least at the beginning) I believe that translating is possible for
> subtitles.
>
> A couple examples are below:
> https://youtu.be/Q8V-5yeTHCM
> https://youtu.be/DtEzyM28rlc
>
>
> Thoughts much appreciated. This would obviously be an ongoing task
> but I
> think that having tutorials for lots of features would be quite
> helpful for
> those who aren't capable or interested in reading help files (for
> whatever
> reason).

 But UI will still be in English, and handling translations in Youtube is
 not really ideal. Also, lot of people don't have external internet
 access or have YT blocked in their company so they won't be able to
 access them anyway.

 The best would be to create a dedicated playlist on TDF channel like we
 have done for French, see:
 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0pdzjvYW9RFl1ZRu8MkE3QxWQSt7Xktk
 and link it to the documentation on the wiki.

 Cheers
 Sophie

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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Video Tutorial Link in Help

2015-12-09 Thread Sophie Gautier 
Hi Robert, all,
Le 9 déc. 2015 18:33, "Joel Madero"  a écrit :
>
> Sorry didn't include Robert in the message - adding him. @Robert - please
read below.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Joel Madero  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> So the news is not good (at least in my opinion). Of course you can
continue doing the videos but it seems like because you can't speak in 200
languages we can't link it in the help files. Having English only would
interfere with locale teams (I'm still unclear how but I'm no expert there
and one of the experts has guaranteed me that such a link would have dire
affects on the community).

So let me reformulate it a bit differently. First Robert, thanks a lot for
your contributions.
What we do not want in localised version is content in en_US language. Even
if the sound is translated, UI still will be in English and it's very
difficult to focus on what you learn when all what you see is in a foreign
language.
>>
>> So what you could do is just create a youtube channel and post the
videos...obviously visibility would be substantially less but, that's where
we are.

There are lot of other ways to advertise content created by the community.
For example post each uploaded video to a twitter dedicated account linked
to a FB and G+ pages,  post to the documentation blog, etc
>>
>> You could then create a wiki somewhere useful that links to your videos.
>>

That's another possibility and link it to the site
>> Wish I had better news - I'm still looking into the possibilities but
right now there seems to be a big blocker in getting such a cool addition
to the product.

Yes for the product, that does not mean it's the only way to give
visibility to Robert's contributions.
Cheers
Sophie
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Joel
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Sophie  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry for the direct message, was suppose to go on the list
>>> Cheers
>>> Sophie
>>>
>>>
>>>  Message transféré 
>>> Sujet : Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Video Tutorial Link in Help
>>> Date : Wed, 9 Dec 2015 18:00:35 +0100
>>> De : Sophie 
>>> Pour : Joel Madero 
>>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>> Le 09/12/2015 17:35, Joel Madero a écrit :
>>> > Hi All,
>>> >
>>> > We have a volunteer (Robert Alexander) who has started making some
tutorial
>>> > videos that are supposed to coincide with help files.
>>> >
>>> > My hope is that we can figure out some way to link these files within
the
>>> > help itself. Any thoughts on that being a possibility? If we use
youtube
>>> > (at least at the beginning) I believe that translating is possible for
>>> > subtitles.
>>> >
>>> > A couple examples are below:
>>> > https://youtu.be/Q8V-5yeTHCM
>>> > https://youtu.be/DtEzyM28rlc
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thoughts much appreciated. This would obviously be an ongoing task
but I
>>> > think that having tutorials for lots of features would be quite
helpful for
>>> > those who aren't capable or interested in reading help files (for
whatever
>>> > reason).
>>>
>>> But UI will still be in English, and handling translations in Youtube is
>>> not really ideal. Also, lot of people don't have external internet
>>> access or have YT blocked in their company so they won't be able to
>>> access them anyway.
>>>
>>> The best would be to create a dedicated playlist on TDF channel like we
>>> have done for French, see:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0pdzjvYW9RFl1ZRu8MkE3QxWQSt7Xktk
>>> and link it to the documentation on the wiki.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Sophie
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org
>>> GSM: +33683901545
>>> IRC: sophi
>>> Co-founder - Release coordinator
>>> The Document Foundation
>>>
>>>
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