Re: [libreoffice-l10n] space between values and units in spinners, fdo#71688
On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 11:32 -0600, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote: > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:59 AM, Caolán McNamara wrote: > > [...] > > c) If you agree with icu's % formatting for your language then update > > the translations for X% to be consistent with that formatting. Otherwise > > we can fix icu or make a blacklist of languages which should be excluded > > from the default icu percent formatting. > > Caolán, how can we submit a fix for ICU? For instance, Spanish > formatting should be exactly the same as German, i.e. “#,##0 %”. So icu gets them via the CLDR, see the chart at http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/24/by_type/numbers.number_formatting_patterns.html and see the how-to-update guide at http://cldr.unicode.org/index/bug-reports The CLDR is an awesome piece of work, e.g. default paper sizes of regions and so on. It's worth knowing about it and worth checking that it's right for your locale to help out all projects. For LibreOffice I can special case Spanish to have a space between the value and %, but is it a "normal" space like between words or should it be a narrow space like Stephen dug out from his German style guide. C. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] space between values and units in spinners, fdo#71688
On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 21:19 +0100, Martin Srebotnjak wrote: > for Slovenian I already asked to include space in front of "%" and it > was done. I also changed all translated strings accordingly. It was > done for 4.2 or even before, can't remember. Hopefully those settings > for Slovenian were inherited by 4.3. The translations of "%" of vcl/LANG/source/src.po are now no longer used in favor of the icu-based percent formatter. I checked the CLDR list[1] and sl is not listed there as using a space, so I suggest you submit the correct pattern to CLDR for sl at http://cldr.unicode.org/index/bug-reports In the mean time I have now added sl to the list of special cases (along with es) that CLDR has currently the wrong data about and force a space in there, so 4.3 should now again retain the space for sl C. [1] http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/24/by_type/numbers.number_formatting_patterns.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] space between values and units in spinners, fdo#71688
Hi, for Slovenian I already asked to include space in front of "%" and it was done. I also changed all translated strings accordingly. It was done for 4.2 or even before, can't remember. Hopefully those settings for Slovenian were inherited by 4.3. Lp, m. 2014/1/21 Caolán McNamara > For 4.3 we are now, in the normal case, putting space between values and > units in spinners. e.g. now "10 mm" instead of "10mm". > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_31-0) > > For the degree symbol we are not putting space between value and unit, > i.e. it remains "10°" > > I think those are hopefully uncontroversial. > > The tricky case is the % symbol, because, while ISO-31-0 implies that > "10 %" is the preferred scientific format, English style guides prefer > "10%" and "10 %" looks "just plain wrong". It's a locale-dependent > formatting rule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percent_sign) > > So to resolve this we now have a function formatPercent which takes the > number and the locale and runs it through icu's PercentInstance to > format it according to that locale's formatting rule. Which gives e.g. > "10 %" for de and "10%" for en. (http://site.icu-project.org/) > > What this means is that: > a) In the English strings in .src files the source text should not have > a space between number and %. I think these are all fixed now. > b) You should check that the icu percent formatting rule is considered > correct for your language in the context of a office suite UI e.g. in > the spinner of view->zoom->zoom->variable > c) If you agree with icu's % formatting for your language then update > the translations for X% to be consistent with that formatting. Otherwise > we can fix icu or make a blacklist of languages which should be excluded > from the default icu percent formatting. > > C. > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] space between values and units in spinners, fdo#71688
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:59 AM, Caolán McNamara wrote: > [...] > c) If you agree with icu's % formatting for your language then update > the translations for X% to be consistent with that formatting. Otherwise > we can fix icu or make a blacklist of languages which should be excluded > from the default icu percent formatting. Caolán, how can we submit a fix for ICU? For instance, Spanish formatting should be exactly the same as German, i.e. “#,##0 %”. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] space between values and units in spinners, fdo#71688
For 4.3 we are now, in the normal case, putting space between values and units in spinners. e.g. now "10 mm" instead of "10mm". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_31-0) For the degree symbol we are not putting space between value and unit, i.e. it remains "10°" I think those are hopefully uncontroversial. The tricky case is the % symbol, because, while ISO-31-0 implies that "10 %" is the preferred scientific format, English style guides prefer "10%" and "10 %" looks "just plain wrong". It's a locale-dependent formatting rule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percent_sign) So to resolve this we now have a function formatPercent which takes the number and the locale and runs it through icu's PercentInstance to format it according to that locale's formatting rule. Which gives e.g. "10 %" for de and "10%" for en. (http://site.icu-project.org/) What this means is that: a) In the English strings in .src files the source text should not have a space between number and %. I think these are all fixed now. b) You should check that the icu percent formatting rule is considered correct for your language in the context of a office suite UI e.g. in the spinner of view->zoom->zoom->variable c) If you agree with icu's % formatting for your language then update the translations for X% to be consistent with that formatting. Otherwise we can fix icu or make a blacklist of languages which should be excluded from the default icu percent formatting. C. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
