[lace] Tenerife lace
Dear Arachnids My book 'The Technique of Teneriffe Lace' is available as a free download from the Arizonal University web site. I always take a time finding it. Please will you explain how to access it Tess. There are also many other out of print lace books, some on Teneriffe, 'Proctor Teneriffe Lace' has some useful ideas. I hope your jabots turn out well. It would be lovely to have a photograph of them all being worn. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] grids
Hi Kim I am looking for some information about grid terminology as I have received conflicting info in the past. The footside measurement seems to be consistent to me. It is basically ½ of the squares per inch since you are counting every second dot. No - it's twice the squares per inch (or whatever unit you are using) If you are using a graph paper with 10 squares per inch and the pinholes are on every other intersection the distance between the pinholes will be 2/10 of an inch. The “straight” measurement is what I have heard people use differently. I have heard people refer to the diagonal pin count as the “straight pin holes per inch” count, and I have heard people refer to the number of dots along the straight portion (the number which would be double the footside number) as the “straight pin holes per inch” count. You do need to clarify whether you are referring to, say, 1/10" graph paper, or to a pattern with 1/10" between footedge pinholes. Although most torchon patterns will start off on a set size of grid, often drawn over 1/10" or 2mm graph paper. it is so easy nowadays to enlarge or reduce a pattern by any amount. Also some designers will turn the graph paper through 45 degrees and use every intersection for the basic grid. That grid will have footedge pins spaced at nearly one and a half times the length of the graph paper squares - you can work it out exactly using Pythagorus's Theorum. That's why my table of thread sizes : grid sizes refers to distance between footedge pins. http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/lace/threadsize/threadsize.html Before I move forward with a project I am working on I want to get this ironed out and would appreciate any clarifying comments.Right now I am just dealing with simple squares (Torchon) but welcome any advice about other grids before I branch out. The other sort of grid is a point ground grid with working angles of anything between about 50 degrees and 60 degrees. In the past grids were drawn using maybe 3 squares one way and 4 squares the other way and in-between pinholes added by eye, but that's "old technology" Now, it's so easy to just take a regular 45 degree torchon grid and change the proportions with a click and drag of the mouse to get any working angle you want. 45 degree working angle makes a square 54 degree working angle makes a pentagon 60 degree working angle makes a hexagon. Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Google Books expired copyrights
Can anyone comment on the potential copyright liability of sites like the University of Arizona's weaving archive (which includes the big lace archive) in view of Google's recent attempt to settle with publishers for sole rights to expired copyrights? I know this isn't final yet, but they are putting tremendous resources behind it and have a good chance of success. What will happen to sites like this one if this happens? Will they have to shut down? Are there any lawyers out there who are following this? I know I'd like to scan a few old works for my own site, but have no idea of the potential impact here. Thanks. Laurie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Mystery items
More mystery items on eBay suggested as being lace bobbins. Item number 370269613920. Diana in Northants - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] grids
Lorelei said, " I think the basic problem is that there is no consistent use of language on this topic. " I was starting to wonder if this might be the problem, thank you so much for the confirmation. Brenda replied, " Hi Kim > I am looking for some information about grid terminology as I have > received conflicting info in the past. The footside measurement seems > to be consistent to me. It is basically ½ of the squares per inch > since you are counting every second dot. No - it's twice the squares per inch (or whatever unit you are using) If you are using a graph paper with 10 squares per inch and the pinholes are on every other intersection the distance between the pinholes will be 2/10 of an inch." We are not talking about the same measurement here. I agree with what you have said about the distance between pinholes. I was referring to what I have commonly seen called "number of footside holes to the inch." The best example I can give of this is the Thread Selection Chart put out by Holly Van Sciver. If there are 10 squares per inch and the footside holes are placed every second square, there would be 5 footside holes to the inch. Thanks so much for all of the information! Kim -Original Message- From: Brenda Paternoster [mailto:paternos...@appleshack.com] Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 2:42 AM To: Kim Davis Cc: 'Lace Arachne' Subject: Re: [lace] grids Hi Kim > I am looking for some information about grid terminology as I have > received > conflicting info in the past. The footside measurement seems to be > consistent to me. It is basically ½ of the squares per inch since > you are > counting every second dot. No - it's twice the squares per inch (or whatever unit you are using) If you are using a graph paper with 10 squares per inch and the pinholes are on every other intersection the distance between the pinholes will be 2/10 of an inch. > The straight measurement is what I have heard > people use differently. I have heard people refer to the diagonal > pin count > as the straight pin holes per inch count, and I have heard people > refer to > the number of dots along the straight portion (the number which > would be > double the footside number) as the straight pin holes per inch > count. You do need to clarify whether you are referring to, say, 1/10" graph paper, or to a pattern with 1/10" between footedge pinholes. Although most torchon patterns will start off on a set size of grid, often drawn over 1/10" or 2mm graph paper. it is so easy nowadays to enlarge or reduce a pattern by any amount. Also some designers will turn the graph paper through 45 degrees and use every intersection for the basic grid. That grid will have footedge pins spaced at nearly one and a half times the length of the graph paper squares - you can work it out exactly using Pythagorus's Theorum. That's why my table of thread sizes : grid sizes refers to distance between footedge pins. http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/lace/threadsize/threadsize.html > Before I move forward with a project I am working on I want to get > this > ironed out and would appreciate any clarifying comments.Right > now I am > just dealing with simple squares (Torchon) but welcome any advice > about > other grids before I branch out. The other sort of grid is a point ground grid with working angles of anything between about 50 degrees and 60 degrees. In the past grids were drawn using maybe 3 squares one way and 4 squares the other way and in-between pinholes added by eye, but that's "old technology" Now, it's so easy to just take a regular 45 degree torchon grid and change the proportions with a click and drag of the mouse to get any working angle you want. 45 degree working angle makes a square 54 degree working angle makes a pentagon 60 degree working angle makes a hexagon. Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2410 - Release Date: 10/02/09 18:24:00 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Mystery Tool
Greetings all, A cigar piercer in a sewing basket may not be that odd actually, as my Grandmother always kept one of my Grandfather's unused cigars stored in with her threads and tatting because she swore it kept bugs like silverfish away. I have a container of her embroidery floss that contains such a reminder of them both and it's still fragrant every time I open it. Makes me wonder about what odd things I have stored with my lace supplies that will cause someone to wonder when I'm gone :) Vickie in Virginia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] engageantes / jabots / cravats/ Sotomayor
While perusing the arizona university site, I found these two articles that might answer some questions that were posed on the list: - for the person who was looking for Nouvelle France engageante information, look here for patterns, how to wear and other various information: Lace Caps of the Eighteenth Century. The Bulletin of the Needle and Bobbin Club, Vol 5, No2 (1921) 6 pages www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/articles/nb21_lc3.pdf - for those of you wishing to make lace jabots for Judge Sotomajor A video interview on choices for robes and collars given by Supreme Court Justices Sandra Day O'Connor and Ruth Bader Ginsberg: http://supremecourt.c-span.org/Video/JusticeOwnWords/SC_Jus_FemaleJust.aspx and an article on jabots: Cravats by Mrs F. Nevill Jackson. The Connoisseur, Vol9 (1904) 7 pages www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/articles/aea_lac1.psf - the ecclesiastical robe company in Quebec mentioned by Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor is probably Bertrand Foucher Belanger: http://www.bfb.ca/vw/fs/p010.htm Enjoy! and thank you to all those who wrote me with information about historical lace for re-enactors. Lucie DuFresne Ottawa Guild of Lacemakers Ottawa Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] lace in Grasse, France
Hi Carolyn, and all my lacemaking friends on Arachne, Carolyn asked if I took photos, and no, I didn't, but I googled and found these great photos of the museum: http://www.fragonard.com/parfums_grasse/gb/fragonard/events_fragonard.cfm has a good photo of a few of the costumes I saw. I looked mostly at the quilted skirts - I'd heard of them but had never seen them, and I've always thought they didn't sound very attractive. But they were nice. The skirt fabric was hand quilted, and not very thick, similar to the quilted placemats that you see everywhere for sale in Provence, though each little poofed diamond was, well, quite poofy. The skirts all stood out in a nice bell shape. The skirt fabric was all light colored with a flowered pattern, just like in this photo. The aprons were fine, dark colored silk, gathered at the waist and tied in back. The tops of the aprons were no more than 1/3 of the entire circumferance of the waist and spread out to cover the fronts of the skirts out to the sides. The bodices were all short jackets with sleeves that went just below the elbow, exactly like in this photo. Several were blue and the fabric looked like a coarse-ish handwoven plainweave linen. As a handweaver, I would guess 20/2 or 25/2 linen thread in contempory sizes. The fabric was not thick or heavy, and it looked comfortable. The bodice/jacket was fitted, not padded but surely lined, and the neck opening was close, but without a collar. Around the neck was a black ribbon with a cross hanging from it. If I remember correctly, the ribbon was threaded through a small ring in the top of the cross so the cross did not hang down very far from the ribbon. There were straw hats with two of the costumes, wide brimed with small, flat crowns. They must have perched precariously on the very tops of women's heads and would have needed a stout ribbon in any kind of wind. The lace caps in the photos are the ones I saw. Here are some more photos: http://www.fragonard.com/parfums_grasse/GB/fragonard/grasse/provencal_costume _and_jewelry_museum.cfm Margaret and Bev in BC suggested Lierse lace for the colored lace that was in the exhibit, so I googled Lierse also. Lierse is close, but the lace I saw definitely had a background net made on a 45 degree grid, and the Lierse I saw on the internet had a tulle background. So maybe the lace I saw in Grasse was 18th century. The lace I saw was chainstitched and otherwise looked much like the Lierse I saw on the internet. Sally > From: caro...@carolynsmith-kizer.com > To: sally13n...@q.com > Subject: Re: [lace] lace in Grasse, France > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:02:18 -0400 > > Sally, thank you for sharing. Do you have any photos of the museum? I do > 18thC French colonial reenacting and the journals state that the officers > said Canadienne habitantes reminded them of Provençales. I would love to see > any photos you have, as I will never get to France. > > Respectfully, > Carolyn > http://18thccuisine.blogspot.com/ > http://carolynsmith-kizer.com > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Google Books expired copyrights
I wouldn't worry about it. Enjoy the information. Of course, on the other hand, nobody can make you enjoy the information. If you are hung up about the morality of making information freely available, then don't read it. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernu...@yahoo.com - Original Message - From: "Laurie Waters" To: Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: [lace] Google Books expired copyrights Can anyone comment on the potential copyright liability of sites like the University of Arizona's weaving archive (which includes the big lace archive) in view of Google's recent attempt to settle with publishers for sole rights to expired copyrights? I know this isn't final yet, but they are putting tremendous resources behind it and have a good chance of success. What will happen to sites like this one if this happens? Will they have to shut down? Are there any lawyers out there who are following this? I know I'd like to scan a few old works for my own site, but have no idea of the potential impact here. Thanks. Laurie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
